Paleo Eating Program
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The primary basis of the Paleo diet is that you only eat foods that were available to man in the paleolithic period. That way all of the foods that came about after the advent of agriculture (grains, dairy, legumes, and processed foods) are out.
Seems strange...didn't agriculture evolve because it lead to healthier humans?
No actually once agriicultue developed our brains got smaller and body's got weaker we developed osteoporosis and tooth cavities, cancer etc
It developed as it was easier and allowed us to stay in one place - easier for community etc
We started living longer, though, in agricultural societies - cancer and osteoporosis are diseases of old age. And it's hard to deny that quite a lot of the things we take for granted today have been developed after the dawn of agriculture-how could this have happened if it had such a detrimental effect on the brain?
Our primate ancestors ate a diet that was 95% herbivore and 5% insects/meat - I've been reading some material that shows that increasing the meat consumption, especially fish consumption with Omega-3s- probably helped with human evolutionary brain development.
But our brains are still fueled by glucose - it is "the only fuel normally used by brain cells". So complex carbohydrates are brain-healthy, not the opposite.
http://www.fi.edu/learn/brain/carbs.html
Low carb diets are linked with decreased exercise capacity and increased fatigue:
http://www.brianmac.co.uk/articles/scni18a3.htm
NO we did NOT live longer because of eating grain. Don't confuse correlation with causation. Please. Heart disease started skyrocketing in the mid 1900s and perfectly correlated with reduction of overall fat, esp saturated fats, and the increase of grain and seed oils. However, the ability of the health industry to deal with heart disease through heroic interventions has also increased along with the heart disease. Longevity does NOT necessarily equal a high quality of life.
Our brain is fuelled by glucose which our bodies easily make from fat and protein. Carbohydrates are the ONLY macronutient that is NOT essential to our body. Saturated, unprocessed fat is "brain healthy".
Which is it, our brain is fueled by glucose or cho is not essential?0 -
I used to argue that Paleo was dumb. I had reasons for that. But, I'm the type that will try it so I understand why it's dumb and I can argue from an insider point of view. I started a couple weeks ago, and wow. My energy is amazing. I am never hungry. I struggle to get up to my calories. I only need 1700 or 1800. I find it easy, cheap, and super intuitive and I love the food. I love having a pork chop and 3 eggs for breakfast. It definitely holds me until lunch. I love nuts to death.
My body fat is coming off already. I've been stuck for a long time. I feel great and love this diet. I feel healthy and awesome. I never eat out anymore and I have no urges to snack.
All I can say is to try it. It's really easy. I do not eat dairy, grains, or any processed food. Yesterday, I cheated by eating some home made cookies. Meh? I'm not completely hard core. But, 99% of the time I am. I love it so far. Processed carbs suck the life out of you.
THIS^ My utmost RESPECT to someone who actually understands that it's important to have first hand experience in order to have a valid opinion on something.0 -
I don't eat processed foods but I eat legumes and drink milk in my tea. I am the healthiest I have ever been, exercise a lot and feel fantastic because I base my diet mostly on fruits and veggies. I don't need guidelines of a diet like this to dictate what I should or shouldn't eat. I decide that for myself because I listen to my body. If you just listen. it is amazing what it will tell you. I sprout my own beans and seeds now and it makes them a million times more digestible and I feel so much energy. If you take processed food out of anyone's diet, then they will lose weight. I eat that way but I don't put a name to it. I do what works for me. Why not cut and paste what works for you instead of cutting out so many good foods that may or may not be harmful to you specifically.
If we're saying it works for us, why does that offend you? I don't agree with vegetarians but I don't go around harassing them. If you don't want to do something, then don't. You're saying you do what works for you -- so do I. End of story.
and I have every right to express to the OP that this diet is completely stupid. They need to hear it from all sides since they asked for opinions. I say following something like this is being a sheep instead of a leader in your own health journey. But I guess not all people can be leaders.0 -
The primary basis of the Paleo diet is that you only eat foods that were available to man in the paleolithic period. That way all of the foods that came about after the advent of agriculture (grains, dairy, legumes, and processed foods) are out.
Seems strange...didn't agriculture evolve because it lead to healthier humans?
No actually once agriicultue developed our brains got smaller and body's got weaker we developed osteoporosis and tooth cavities, cancer etc
It developed as it was easier and allowed us to stay in one place - easier for community etc
We started living longer, though, in agricultural societies - cancer and osteoporosis are diseases of old age. And it's hard to deny that quite a lot of the things we take for granted today have been developed after the dawn of agriculture-how could this have happened if it had such a detrimental effect on the brain?
Our primate ancestors ate a diet that was 95% herbivore and 5% insects/meat - I've been reading some material that shows that increasing the meat consumption, especially fish consumption with Omega-3s- probably helped with human evolutionary brain development.
But our brains are still fueled by glucose - it is "the only fuel normally used by brain cells". So complex carbohydrates are brain-healthy, not the opposite.
http://www.fi.edu/learn/brain/carbs.html
Low carb diets are linked with decreased exercise capacity and increased fatigue:
http://www.brianmac.co.uk/articles/scni18a3.htm
NO we did NOT live longer because of eating grain. Don't confuse correlation with causation. Please. Heart disease started skyrocketing in the mid 1900s and perfectly correlated with reduction of overall fat, esp saturated fats, and the increase of grain and seed oils. However, the ability of the health industry to deal with heart disease through heroic interventions has also increased along with the heart disease. Longevity does NOT necessarily equal a high quality of life.
Our brain is fuelled by glucose which our bodies easily make from fat and protein. Carbohydrates are the ONLY macronutient that is NOT essential to our body. Saturated, unprocessed fat is "brain healthy".
Which is it, our brain is fueled by glucose or cho is not essential?
Try reading my comment. Our bodies CAN MAKE GLUCOSE so it is NOT essential.0 -
I used to argue that Paleo was dumb. I had reasons for that. But, I'm the type that will try it so I understand why it's dumb and I can argue from an insider point of view. I started a couple weeks ago, and wow. My energy is amazing. I am never hungry. I struggle to get up to my calories. I only need 1700 or 1800. I find it easy, cheap, and super intuitive and I love the food. I love having a pork chop and 3 eggs for breakfast. It definitely holds me until lunch. I love nuts to death.
My body fat is coming off already. I've been stuck for a long time. I feel great and love this diet. I feel healthy and awesome. I never eat out anymore and I have no urges to snack.
All I can say is to try it. It's really easy. I do not eat dairy, grains, or any processed food. Yesterday, I cheated by eating some home made cookies. Meh? I'm not completely hard core. But, 99% of the time I am. I love it so far. Processed carbs suck the life out of you.
THIS^ My utmost RESPECT to someone who actually understands that it's important to have first hand experience in order to have a valid opinion on something.
haha just because they agree with you, they get respect, nice. Why would I do a diet like this when legumes do not affect me in a negative way??? In fact just the opposite and I don't need a phone app while I shop to tell me what I can and cannot eat.0 -
The primary basis of the Paleo diet is that you only eat foods that were available to man in the paleolithic period. That way all of the foods that came about after the advent of agriculture (grains, dairy, legumes, and processed foods) are out.
Seems strange...didn't agriculture evolve because it lead to healthier humans?
No actually once agriicultue developed our brains got smaller and body's got weaker we developed osteoporosis and tooth cavities, cancer etc
It developed as it was easier and allowed us to stay in one place - easier for community etc
We started living longer, though, in agricultural societies - cancer and osteoporosis are diseases of old age. And it's hard to deny that quite a lot of the things we take for granted today have been developed after the dawn of agriculture-how could this have happened if it had such a detrimental effect on the brain?
Our primate ancestors ate a diet that was 95% herbivore and 5% insects/meat - I've been reading some material that shows that increasing the meat consumption, especially fish consumption with Omega-3s- probably helped with human evolutionary brain development.
But our brains are still fueled by glucose - it is "the only fuel normally used by brain cells". So complex carbohydrates are brain-healthy, not the opposite.
http://www.fi.edu/learn/brain/carbs.html
Low carb diets are linked with decreased exercise capacity and increased fatigue:
http://www.brianmac.co.uk/articles/scni18a3.htm
NO we did NOT live longer because of eating grain. Don't confuse correlation with causation. Please. Heart disease started skyrocketing in the mid 1900s and perfectly correlated with reduction of overall fat, esp saturated fats, and the increase of grain and seed oils. However, the ability of the health industry to deal with heart disease through heroic interventions has also increased along with the heart disease. Longevity does NOT necessarily equal a high quality of life.
Our brain is fuelled by glucose which our bodies easily make from fat and protein. Carbohydrates are the ONLY macronutient that is NOT essential to our body. Saturated, unprocessed fat is "brain healthy".
Which is it, our brain is fueled by glucose or cho is not essential?
Try reading my comment. Our bodies CAN MAKE GLUCOSE so it is NOT essential.
Reading comprehension. So there is no need for glucose at all, correct? Since cho is not essential and all0 -
don't restrict; I LOVE what i eat.
Still wrong, if you follow the paleo 'lifestyle' you are being restrictive.0 -
I used to argue that Paleo was dumb. I had reasons for that. But, I'm the type that will try it so I understand why it's dumb and I can argue from an insider point of view. I started a couple weeks ago, and wow. My energy is amazing. I am never hungry. I struggle to get up to my calories. I only need 1700 or 1800. I find it easy, cheap, and super intuitive and I love the food. I love having a pork chop and 3 eggs for breakfast. It definitely holds me until lunch. I love nuts to death.
My body fat is coming off already. I've been stuck for a long time. I feel great and love this diet. I feel healthy and awesome. I never eat out anymore and I have no urges to snack.
All I can say is to try it. It's really easy. I do not eat dairy, grains, or any processed food. Yesterday, I cheated by eating some home made cookies. Meh? I'm not completely hard core. But, 99% of the time I am. I love it so far. Processed carbs suck the life out of you.
THIS^ My utmost RESPECT to someone who actually understands that it's important to have first hand experience in order to have a valid opinion on something.
Phew tell that to historians and the like, that they do not have valid opinions since they have no first hand experience. Or any number of people who don't have first hand experience with something, clearly their opinions are not valid0 -
THIS^ My utmost RESPECT to someone who actually understands that it's important to have first hand experience in order to have a valid opinion on something.
Your respect seems to be misdirected. Qualifiers for valid opinions include researching into the topic, having some sort of evidence to back up your opinion...not just having 'first hand experience'.0 -
Diet aside, I find the grasp of anthropology here quite saddening.
What should the grasp be?
I was thinking about making a lengthy post about it - but I realised that most people have access to libraries.
Suffice to say that the dawn of an agrarian society did not 'lead to osteoperosis and cancer' and the history of human evolution is about the 'stuff that happened' way after we 'descended from the canopy' see: The great plains of Africa.
Above my head. I have no idea what you are talking about. Bring it down a few notches for me.
You could make your argument about anything. Why have a Fitness site? It's all available in the libraries. Why talk to anyone at all, obviously the weather is nice. STFU.
It is a little condescending and rude to just say, "go read a book" after making the claims you're making. You're on a message board. Tell me your view and don't cop out and tell me to read a book.0 -
NO. Do some basic research into anthropology. The health of humans declines drastically as soon as they change to an agrarian society. This is widely observed by anthropologists looking not only at ancient societies, but also on more contemporary hunter/gatherer societies. The diseases (diabetes, cancer, autoimmune disorders, bone deformity, tooth decay, depression etc, etc) that most of us deal with now are referred to as "the diseases of civilization" because they did not exist in hunters/gatherers. Look into the work of Dr. Weston Price (and there are many others).
Poppycock - as previously mentioned, they are diseases of old age, and/or would have resulted in death until fairly recently so of course they wouldn't be present in the population at large, with the possible exception of tooth decay. How you can say that paleolithic man did or did not suffer depression with any level of conviction is perplexing to say the least.
In fact, even if you go back two genrations - my ex-bosses father was professor of medicine at Belfast University and once said that when he was practicing, less people died from cancer, but lots of people died with cancer.
Again, nothing against the diet - seems a lot healthier than most, just have an issue with some of the "anthropology" involved.
And I think your view is "poppycock". And please, don't ASSuME that you are the only one around knowledgable about anthropology. And just like any field, there's a wide variety of hypotheses. However, one of the most common observations in Anthropology is that the "diseases of civilization" are NOT present in hunter societies. Not many of them lived to be as old as we are (nothing to do with malnutrition!), but a few did. They did not die of disease; accidents and infections, yes. Not only that, I am directly observing what happens to human health when a culture changes from an animal-based diet to grain-based diet. (I live with the same people studied by Diamond Jenness, Vilhjalmur Stefansson, and Dr. Weston Price.) A lot can be learned from looking at the hunter gatherer societies that still exist and especially the ones that are currently reducing their natural foods and increasing grain-based and processed vegetable oil-based foods.0 -
I don't eat processed foods but I eat legumes and drink milk in my tea. I am the healthiest I have ever been, exercise a lot and feel fantastic because I base my diet mostly on fruits and veggies. I don't need guidelines of a diet like this to dictate what I should or shouldn't eat. I decide that for myself because I listen to my body. If you just listen. it is amazing what it will tell you. I sprout my own beans and seeds now and it makes them a million times more digestible and I feel so much energy. If you take processed food out of anyone's diet, then they will lose weight. I eat that way but I don't put a name to it. I do what works for me. Why not cut and paste what works for you instead of cutting out so many good foods that may or may not be harmful to you specifically.
If we're saying it works for us, why does that offend you? I don't agree with vegetarians but I don't go around harassing them. If you don't want to do something, then don't. You're saying you do what works for you -- so do I. End of story.
and I have every right to express to the OP that this diet is completely stupid. They need to hear it from all sides since they asked for opinions. I say following something like this is being a sheep instead of a leader in your own health journey. But I guess not all people can be leaders.
I fail to see how a diet that has scientifically proven health benefits ( reversal of type 2 diabeties, improved symptomes of ME, parkinsons IBS) can be deemed stupid. I was sceptical at first but I have never felt healthier/fitter. Have you tried it?0 -
Diet aside, I find the grasp of anthropology here quite saddening.
What should the grasp be?
I was thinking about making a lengthy post about it - but I realised that most people have access to libraries.
Suffice to say that the dawn of an agrarian society did not 'lead to osteoperosis and cancer' and the history of human evolution is about the 'stuff that happened' way after we 'descended from the canopy' see: The great plains of Africa.
Above my head. I have no idea what you are talking about. Bring it down a few notches for me.
You could make your argument about anything. Why have a Fitness site? It's all available in the libraries. Why talk to anyone at all, obviously the weather is nice. STFU.
It is a little condescending and rude to just say, "go read a book" after making the claims you're making. You're on a message board. Tell me your view and don't cop out and tell me to read a book.
My 'view' would end up being a long, and possibly very dull essay.
Like I said, nothing against the diet - seems pretty healthy, but the attempts to link it to early man are spurious to say the least.0 -
I used to argue that Paleo was dumb. I had reasons for that. But, I'm the type that will try it so I understand why it's dumb and I can argue from an insider point of view. I started a couple weeks ago, and wow. My energy is amazing. I am never hungry. I struggle to get up to my calories. I only need 1700 or 1800. I find it easy, cheap, and super intuitive and I love the food. I love having a pork chop and 3 eggs for breakfast. It definitely holds me until lunch. I love nuts to death.
My body fat is coming off already. I've been stuck for a long time. I feel great and love this diet. I feel healthy and awesome. I never eat out anymore and I have no urges to snack.
All I can say is to try it. It's really easy. I do not eat dairy, grains, or any processed food. Yesterday, I cheated by eating some home made cookies. Meh? I'm not completely hard core. But, 99% of the time I am. I love it so far. Processed carbs suck the life out of you.
THIS^ My utmost RESPECT to someone who actually understands that it's important to have first hand experience in order to have a valid opinion on something.
haha just because they agree with you, they get respect, nice. Why would I do a diet like this when legumes do not affect me in a negative way??? In fact just the opposite and I don't need a phone app while I shop to tell me what I can and cannot eat.
Time to go, I'm getting pissed now.
I am making the point that IT IS IMPORTANT TO KNOW ABOUT SOMETHING WHEN ONE CHOOSES TO HAVE A STRONG OPINION ABOUT IT AND ADVISE OTHERS.
I'm not telling you not to eat legumes. Did I? Phone app? Did I say something about that? I don't even have a cell phone. No, I have a brain and I know what food makes me feel good or not. Differentiating between a whole, unprocessed food and something mangled and packaged in a box is hard to figure out?0 -
don't restrict; I LOVE what i eat.
Still wrong, if you follow the paleo 'lifestyle' you are being restrictive.
So I say that I don't consider my lifestyle to be restrictive especially since I resolved life-threatening illnesses. And yes, I do love eating meat, fat and vegetables. But you tell me that my own experience is wrong. Brilliant.0 -
NO. Do some basic research into anthropology. The health of humans declines drastically as soon as they change to an agrarian society. This is widely observed by anthropologists looking not only at ancient societies, but also on more contemporary hunter/gatherer societies. The diseases (diabetes, cancer, autoimmune disorders, bone deformity, tooth decay, depression etc, etc) that most of us deal with now are referred to as "the diseases of civilization" because they did not exist in hunters/gatherers. Look into the work of Dr. Weston Price (and there are many others).
Poppycock - as previously mentioned, they are diseases of old age, and/or would have resulted in death until fairly recently so of course they wouldn't be present in the population at large, with the possible exception of tooth decay. How you can say that paleolithic man did or did not suffer depression with any level of conviction is perplexing to say the least.
In fact, even if you go back two genrations - my ex-bosses father was professor of medicine at Belfast University and once said that when he was practicing, less people died from cancer, but lots of people died with cancer.
Again, nothing against the diet - seems a lot healthier than most, just have an issue with some of the "anthropology" involved.
And I think your view is "poppycock". And please, don't ASSuME that you are the only one around knowledgable about anthropology. And just like any field, there's a wide variety of hypotheses. However, one of the most common observations in Anthropology is that the "diseases of civilization" are NOT present in hunter societies. Not many of them lived to be as old as we are (nothing to do with malnutrition!), but a few did. They did not die of disease; accidents and infections, yes. Not only that, I am directly observing what happens to human health when a culture changes from an animal-based diet to grain-based diet. (I live with the same people studied by Diamond Jenness, Vilhjalmur Stefansson, and Dr. Weston Price.) A lot can be learned from looking at the hunter gatherer societies that still exist and especially the ones that are currently reducing their natural foods and increasing grain-based and processed vegetable oil-based foods.
So - if you admit that not many lived to an old age, and then seemed less likley to die of disease, could it be that they were resistant to prevailing diseases. This is the basis of natural selection. Again, in western society two generations ago, not many died of cancer, but many died with cancer. And as for depression.......depression was hardly heard of in western society two generations ago, not because it was not present, but because it was not talked about.
This society that you are viewing is one alone, whose diet is highly specialised and has been ingrained into their way of life for millenia - individuals who this diet did not suit will have been taken care of by natural selection. But, it is just one society - the diet of northern Europeans would differ from those in Africa, from those in Asia etc. The point being that human beings are generalists - and can adapt to eat a wide variety of foodstuffs.0 -
I don't eat processed foods but I eat legumes and drink milk in my tea. I am the healthiest I have ever been, exercise a lot and feel fantastic because I base my diet mostly on fruits and veggies. I don't need guidelines of a diet like this to dictate what I should or shouldn't eat. I decide that for myself because I listen to my body. If you just listen. it is amazing what it will tell you. I sprout my own beans and seeds now and it makes them a million times more digestible and I feel so much energy. If you take processed food out of anyone's diet, then they will lose weight. I eat that way but I don't put a name to it. I do what works for me. Why not cut and paste what works for you instead of cutting out so many good foods that may or may not be harmful to you specifically.
If we're saying it works for us, why does that offend you? I don't agree with vegetarians but I don't go around harassing them. If you don't want to do something, then don't. You're saying you do what works for you -- so do I. End of story.
and I have every right to express to the OP that this diet is completely stupid. They need to hear it from all sides since they asked for opinions. I say following something like this is being a sheep instead of a leader in your own health journey. But I guess not all people can be leaders.
I fail to see how a diet that has scientifically proven health benefits ( reversal of type 2 diabeties, improved symptomes of ME, parkinsons IBS) can be deemed stupid. I was sceptical at first but I have never felt healthier/fitter. Have you tried it?
I don't have to try any diet because I am very healthy and have found the foods that work for me on my own. I do not need a book to tell me what my system can and cannot handle. There are plenty of very healthy people that don't take half those things out of their diets in order to be healthy. This is extreme to put it mildly. People reverse diabetes by losing weight. Any diet will be able to claim people have reversed their diabetes. It is the weight loss, not the diet that is responsible!! People with certain ailments need to do their own experimenting to see what irritates their symptoms like gluten, dairy, etc. Again, be a leader in your own journey and don't follow.0 -
I used to argue that Paleo was dumb. I had reasons for that. But, I'm the type that will try it so I understand why it's dumb and I can argue from an insider point of view. I started a couple weeks ago, and wow. My energy is amazing. I am never hungry. I struggle to get up to my calories. I only need 1700 or 1800. I find it easy, cheap, and super intuitive and I love the food. I love having a pork chop and 3 eggs for breakfast. It definitely holds me until lunch. I love nuts to death.
My body fat is coming off already. I've been stuck for a long time. I feel great and love this diet. I feel healthy and awesome. I never eat out anymore and I have no urges to snack.
All I can say is to try it. It's really easy. I do not eat dairy, grains, or any processed food. Yesterday, I cheated by eating some home made cookies. Meh? I'm not completely hard core. But, 99% of the time I am. I love it so far. Processed carbs suck the life out of you.
THIS^ My utmost RESPECT to someone who actually understands that it's important to have first hand experience in order to have a valid opinion on something.
haha just because they agree with you, they get respect, nice. Why would I do a diet like this when legumes do not affect me in a negative way??? In fact just the opposite and I don't need a phone app while I shop to tell me what I can and cannot eat.
Time to go, I'm getting pissed now.
I am making the point that IT IS IMPORTANT TO KNOW ABOUT SOMETHING WHEN ONE CHOOSES TO HAVE A STRONG OPINION ABOUT IT AND ADVISE OTHERS.
I'm not telling you not to eat legumes. Did I? Phone app? Did I say something about that? I don't even have a cell phone. No, I have a brain and I know what food makes me feel good or not. Differentiating between a whole, unprocessed food and something mangled and packaged in a box is hard to figure out?
I don't eat processed food, but I don't say that I follow some stupid diet either. I have found what works for ME by experimenting not by reading a book and saying I want to eat like a caveman. lol. I am telling the OP that I would advise them away from this diet, it has nothing to do with you. You are the one making this personal, not me.0 -
I don't eat processed foods but I eat legumes and drink milk in my tea. I am the healthiest I have ever been, exercise a lot and feel fantastic because I base my diet mostly on fruits and veggies. I don't need guidelines of a diet like this to dictate what I should or shouldn't eat. I decide that for myself because I listen to my body. If you just listen. it is amazing what it will tell you. I sprout my own beans and seeds now and it makes them a million times more digestible and I feel so much energy. If you take processed food out of anyone's diet, then they will lose weight. I eat that way but I don't put a name to it. I do what works for me. Why not cut and paste what works for you instead of cutting out so many good foods that may or may not be harmful to you specifically.
If we're saying it works for us, why does that offend you? I don't agree with vegetarians but I don't go around harassing them. If you don't want to do something, then don't. You're saying you do what works for you -- so do I. End of story.
and I have every right to express to the OP that this diet is completely stupid. They need to hear it from all sides since they asked for opinions. I say following something like this is being a sheep instead of a leader in your own health journey. But I guess not all people can be leaders.
I fail to see how a diet that has scientifically proven health benefits ( reversal of type 2 diabeties, improved symptomes of ME, parkinsons IBS) can be deemed stupid. I was sceptical at first but I have never felt healthier/fitter. Have you tried it?
I don't have to try any diet because I am very healthy and have found the foods that work for me on my own. I do not need a book to tell me what my system can and cannot handle. There are plenty of very healthy people that don't take half those things out of their diets in order to be healthy. This is extreme to put it mildly. People reverse diabetes by losing weight. Any diet will be able to claim people have reversed their diabetes. It is the weight loss, not the diet that is responsible!! People with certain ailments need to do their own experimenting to see what irritates their symptoms like gluten, dairy, etc. Again, be a leader in your own journey and don't follow.
I am 'leading' as you put it by reading and educating myself and finding what my body likes. I'm not saying other diets are wrong just that pales has been great for me and is based on fairly hard science0 -
I used to argue that Paleo was dumb. I had reasons for that. But, I'm the type that will try it so I understand why it's dumb and I can argue from an insider point of view. I started a couple weeks ago, and wow. My energy is amazing. I am never hungry. I struggle to get up to my calories. I only need 1700 or 1800. I find it easy, cheap, and super intuitive and I love the food. I love having a pork chop and 3 eggs for breakfast. It definitely holds me until lunch. I love nuts to death.
My body fat is coming off already. I've been stuck for a long time. I feel great and love this diet. I feel healthy and awesome. I never eat out anymore and I have no urges to snack.
All I can say is to try it. It's really easy. I do not eat dairy, grains, or any processed food. Yesterday, I cheated by eating some home made cookies. Meh? I'm not completely hard core. But, 99% of the time I am. I love it so far. Processed carbs suck the life out of you.
THIS^ My utmost RESPECT to someone who actually understands that it's important to have first hand experience in order to have a valid opinion on something.
Phew tell that to historians and the like, that they do not have valid opinions since they have no first hand experience. Or any number of people who don't have first hand experience with something, clearly their opinions are not valid
Exactly. (Since when do historians claim everything they research as FACT?) Here's a little illustration. I live in the Arctic. There are many highly educated scientists that will come here for a few weeks, study and measure something, and then formulate a hypothesis and sometimes provide management recommendations based on their brief non-holistic observations. Then there are the people who live here every day, year after year, generation after generation who carry their own knowledge about how things work.
But I know that you would be in the camp that asserts that the information provided by the university-educated, first-hand experience lacking, scientists would be far superior to that of the local inhabitants. So I agree to disagree.0 -
I used to argue that Paleo was dumb. I had reasons for that. But, I'm the type that will try it so I understand why it's dumb and I can argue from an insider point of view. I started a couple weeks ago, and wow. My energy is amazing. I am never hungry. I struggle to get up to my calories. I only need 1700 or 1800. I find it easy, cheap, and super intuitive and I love the food. I love having a pork chop and 3 eggs for breakfast. It definitely holds me until lunch. I love nuts to death.
My body fat is coming off already. I've been stuck for a long time. I feel great and love this diet. I feel healthy and awesome. I never eat out anymore and I have no urges to snack.
All I can say is to try it. It's really easy. I do not eat dairy, grains, or any processed food. Yesterday, I cheated by eating some home made cookies. Meh? I'm not completely hard core. But, 99% of the time I am. I love it so far. Processed carbs suck the life out of you.
THIS^ My utmost RESPECT to someone who actually understands that it's important to have first hand experience in order to have a valid opinion on something.
haha just because they agree with you, they get respect, nice. Why would I do a diet like this when legumes do not affect me in a negative way??? In fact just the opposite and I don't need a phone app while I shop to tell me what I can and cannot eat.
Differentiating between a whole, unprocessed food and something mangled and packaged in a box is hard to figure out?
Apparently it is, unless you don't practice what you preach, bacon? processed, MCT oil? processed and the list goes on and on0 -
I used to argue that Paleo was dumb. I had reasons for that. But, I'm the type that will try it so I understand why it's dumb and I can argue from an insider point of view. I started a couple weeks ago, and wow. My energy is amazing. I am never hungry. I struggle to get up to my calories. I only need 1700 or 1800. I find it easy, cheap, and super intuitive and I love the food. I love having a pork chop and 3 eggs for breakfast. It definitely holds me until lunch. I love nuts to death.
My body fat is coming off already. I've been stuck for a long time. I feel great and love this diet. I feel healthy and awesome. I never eat out anymore and I have no urges to snack.
All I can say is to try it. It's really easy. I do not eat dairy, grains, or any processed food. Yesterday, I cheated by eating some home made cookies. Meh? I'm not completely hard core. But, 99% of the time I am. I love it so far. Processed carbs suck the life out of you.
THIS^ My utmost RESPECT to someone who actually understands that it's important to have first hand experience in order to have a valid opinion on something.
Phew tell that to historians and the like, that they do not have valid opinions since they have no first hand experience. Or any number of people who don't have first hand experience with something, clearly their opinions are not valid
Exactly. (Since when do historians claim everything they research as FACT?) Here's a little illustration. I live in the Arctic. There are many highly educated scientists that will come here for a few weeks, study and measure something, and then formulate a hypothesis and sometimes provide management recommendations based on their brief non-holistic observations. Then there are the people who live here every day, year after year, generation after generation who carry their own knowledge about how things work.
But I know that you would be in the camp that asserts that the information provided by the university-educated, first-hand experience lacking, scientists would be far superior to that of the local inhabitants. So I agree to disagree.
You stated that in order to have a valid opinion you must have first hand experience, which is complete and utter garbage0 -
The way that I had it explained to me (as far as the dairy goes, that was the question, right? lol) is to try cutting it out for 30 days, if you feel great and miss it, try adding it back in a little at a time and see how you feel-if you tolerate it well and still feel great, you probably don't have a sensitivity to it and can go ahead and incorporate it (then you're doing the Primal lifestyle). The only thing I've seen as far as "what kind" of dairy to have, is to have full-fat versions of everything, "low-fat" often times means "high-sugar". Paleo/Primal is NOT a low-carb lifestyle (I don't call it a diet because I eat what I want, the only things I cut out were the things that were bad for me and making me fat because I have no sense of moderation with processed foods and I don't feel deprived or restricted at all), you just get your carbs from veggies and fruit, and if you're trying to lose weight, you keep an eye on your carb intake and natural sugar intake. It's not for everyone because some people feel "restricted" and binge and can probably find something that works better. All I know is that I've never felt better in my life or had more energy, and once I got over craving sugar, it's the easiest eating style ever! I don't count calories, I don't count fat grams, I keep my starchy veggie and fruit intake in moderation because it works better for me, and I'm steadily losing weight and have tons of energy to exercise. I think the best advice I can really give you is to talk to your doctor about it and see if s/he thinks it might be a good choice for you
marksdailyapple and nerdfitness have some great information too-and yes, come to the Paleo/Primal group, everybody is super friendly and helpful! 0 -
THIS^ My utmost RESPECT to someone who actually understands that it's important to have first hand experience in order to have a valid opinion on something.
Your respect seems to be misdirected. Qualifiers for valid opinions include researching into the topic, having some sort of evidence to back up your opinion...not just having 'first hand experience'.
Do you read what you type? Actually it is my own valid opinion that one cannot fully understand something without first-hand experience. You think there is no research that supports what I do? I guess because you've never challenged what you currently believe. Don't you think that i used to eat a SAD and wondered why I wasn't healthy as promised and was getting sicker?
Here's a quote just for you (and a few others) who continue to disrespect and ridicule others and think that some science is fact (the parts they agree with) and other science is invalid:
"Men who have excessive faith in their theories or ideas are not only ill prepared for making discoveries; they also make very poor observations.Of necessity, they observe with a preconceived idea, and when they devise an experiment, they can see, in its results, only a confirmation of their theory. In this way they distort observation and often neglect very important facts because they do not further their aim..... But it happens further quite naturally that men who believe too firmly in their theories, do not believe enough in the theories of others. So the dominant idea of these despisers of their fellows is to find others' theories faulty and to try to contradict them. The difficulty, for science, is still the same." Claude Bernard, 1865.
Wow, that sure speaks to how the SAD has been established as THE diet for everyone, while we are (almost) all getting sicker than ever. (Go check the stats if you don't agree.)0 -
There are so many flaws and holes in the concepts behind this diet. Like I said, most diets, if not all, can claim to reverse diabetes because it is the weight loss that is responsible not the diet itself. I do not believe that giving up so many foods without proper trial and error and process of elimination to see if those foods actually bother you specifically or not. That is where FOLLOWING a diet like this fails on most levels because it takes all the possible problem foods and cuts them all out. People accredit the diet when it is actually the removal of all possible problem foods that is what is responsible. It is lazy if you think about it. I say figure it out for yourself so you can claim you have your own special dietary needs instead of claiming to eat like a caveman. lol.0
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NO. Do some basic research into anthropology. The health of humans declines drastically as soon as they change to an agrarian society. This is widely observed by anthropologists looking not only at ancient societies, but also on more contemporary hunter/gatherer societies. The diseases (diabetes, cancer, autoimmune disorders, bone deformity, tooth decay, depression etc, etc) that most of us deal with now are referred to as "the diseases of civilization" because they did not exist in hunters/gatherers. Look into the work of Dr. Weston Price (and there are many others).
Poppycock - as previously mentioned, they are diseases of old age, and/or would have resulted in death until fairly recently so of course they wouldn't be present in the population at large, with the possible exception of tooth decay. How you can say that paleolithic man did or did not suffer depression with any level of conviction is perplexing to say the least.
In fact, even if you go back two genrations - my ex-bosses father was professor of medicine at Belfast University and once said that when he was practicing, less people died from cancer, but lots of people died with cancer.
Again, nothing against the diet - seems a lot healthier than most, just have an issue with some of the "anthropology" involved.
And I think your view is "poppycock". And please, don't ASSuME that you are the only one around knowledgable about anthropology. And just like any field, there's a wide variety of hypotheses. However, one of the most common observations in Anthropology is that the "diseases of civilization" are NOT present in hunter societies. Not many of them lived to be as old as we are (nothing to do with malnutrition!), but a few did. They did not die of disease; accidents and infections, yes. Not only that, I am directly observing what happens to human health when a culture changes from an animal-based diet to grain-based diet. (I live with the same people studied by Diamond Jenness, Vilhjalmur Stefansson, and Dr. Weston Price.) A lot can be learned from looking at the hunter gatherer societies that still exist and especially the ones that are currently reducing their natural foods and increasing grain-based and processed vegetable oil-based foods.
So - if you admit that not many lived to an old age, and then seemed less likley to die of disease, could it be that they were resistant to prevailing diseases. This is the basis of natural selection. Again, in western society two generations ago, not many died of cancer, but many died with cancer. And as for depression.......depression was hardly heard of in western society two generations ago, not because it was not present, but because it was not talked about.
This society that you are viewing is one alone, whose diet is highly specialised and has been ingrained into their way of life for millenia - individuals who this diet did not suit will have been taken care of by natural selection. But, it is just one society - the diet of northern Europeans would differ from those in Africa, from those in Asia etc. The point being that human beings are generalists - and can adapt to eat a wide variety of foodstuffs.
Somewhat agreed to the first paragraph. But it's my current opinion that most of our current degenerative diseases are diseases of civilization.
I agree totally with the second paragraph. Different people ate different foods depending where they lived, but there were many notable commonalities. Some of those commonalities (I'm talking pre agriculture): seeking out fat as much as possible, eating local foods that were culturally appropriate and in season, consumption of very few grains and legumes (if any), and rare consumption of pure sugar (honey etc).
So, my current eating plan is focused on what food makes me healthy, feel good, and is available to me.0 -
I have been eating Paleo/Primal for several months.
I feel better.
Previous replies have given great references to start
http://robbwolf.com/what-is-the-paleo-diet/
https://www.marksdailyapple.com/
It is up to the individual if this life style is for them. Only you can decide.
I am eating whole foods "real foods" that are a product of nature, than a product of industry "processed foods"
I saw the biggest and most positive impact when I removed grains from my diet. Maybe our ancestors ate grain, but it is not the same grain that is grown now. But that is another topic
Only you can decide if it is right for you.
Just remember to enjoy the trip!0 -
I used to argue that Paleo was dumb. I had reasons for that. But, I'm the type that will try it so I understand why it's dumb and I can argue from an insider point of view. I started a couple weeks ago, and wow. My energy is amazing. I am never hungry. I struggle to get up to my calories. I only need 1700 or 1800. I find it easy, cheap, and super intuitive and I love the food. I love having a pork chop and 3 eggs for breakfast. It definitely holds me until lunch. I love nuts to death.
My body fat is coming off already. I've been stuck for a long time. I feel great and love this diet. I feel healthy and awesome. I never eat out anymore and I have no urges to snack.
All I can say is to try it. It's really easy. I do not eat dairy, grains, or any processed food. Yesterday, I cheated by eating some home made cookies. Meh? I'm not completely hard core. But, 99% of the time I am. I love it so far. Processed carbs suck the life out of you.
THIS^ My utmost RESPECT to someone who actually understands that it's important to have first hand experience in order to have a valid opinion on something.
Phew tell that to historians and the like, that they do not have valid opinions since they have no first hand experience. Or any number of people who don't have first hand experience with something, clearly their opinions are not valid
Exactly. (Since when do historians claim everything they research as FACT?) Here's a little illustration. I live in the Arctic. There are many highly educated scientists that will come here for a few weeks, study and measure something, and then formulate a hypothesis and sometimes provide management recommendations based on their brief non-holistic observations. Then there are the people who live here every day, year after year, generation after generation who carry their own knowledge about how things work.
But I know that you would be in the camp that asserts that the information provided by the university-educated, first-hand experience lacking, scientists would be far superior to that of the local inhabitants. So I agree to disagree.
You stated that in order to have a valid opinion you must have first hand experience, which is complete and utter garbage
Please, we've been here before... Please, please, please explain to me how it is logical for one to be so vehemently opposed to something if one has never tried it? I'm just not following your logic AT ALL. It is UTTER GARBAGE to ASSUME that you know everything about something without first hand experience. You know what a "hypothesis" is? It's a guess. it's not FACT.0 -
There are so many flaws and holes in the concepts behind this diet. Like I said, most diets, if not all, can claim to reverse diabetes because it is the weight loss that is responsible not the diet itself. I do not believe that giving up so many foods without proper trial and error and process of elimination to see if those foods actually bother you specifically or not. That is where FOLLOWING a diet like this fails on most levels because it takes all the possible problem foods and cuts them all out. People accredit the diet when it is actually the removal of all possible problem foods that is what is responsible. It is lazy if you think about it. I say figure it out for yourself so you can claim you have your own special dietary needs instead of claiming to eat like a caveman. lol.
Yes, trial and error. Exactly. That's exactly what we have done! Why are you assuming otherwise? I didn't just pick up a diet book and become "paleo". It's "lazy" to work hard to find a way to eat as healthy as possible? It's lazy that I've spent thousands of hours over many years to find out why I am sick, what to do about it, and not to mention all the research I do in regards to history, anthropology, physiology, nutrition, health/disease, agricultural science, food politics, world economics. environmental science etc. Yeah, I'm f*&^ing lazy alright.
FYI: referring to eating like a caveman is just a good humoured joke that some people enjoy. Get over it.0
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