Paleo Eating Program

NeverGivesUp

You stated that in order to have a valid opinion you must have first hand experience, which is complete and utter garbage

Please, we've been here before... Please, please, please explain to me how it is logical for one to be so vehemently opposed to something if one has never tried it? I'm just not following your logic AT ALL. It is UTTER GARBAGE to ASSUME that you know everything about something without first hand experience. You know what a "hypothesis" is? It's a guess. it's not FACT.

so male gynocologists that have never had babies themselves could not possibly know how to birth a baby. Psychologists that deal with marriage counceling could not help others without having marital problems or without being married themselves. People who aren't parents could not possibly understand how to take care of children. Can't you see how ridiculous your argument sounds. Look at him, do you think he needs to follow some fad diet. What he is doing IS working for him.

NeverGivesUp

There are so many flaws and holes in the concepts behind this diet. Like I said, most diets, if not all, can claim to reverse diabetes because it is the weight loss that is responsible not the diet itself. I do not believe that giving up so many foods without proper trial and error and process of elimination to see if those foods actually bother you specifically or not. That is where FOLLOWING a diet like this fails on most levels because it takes all the possible problem foods and cuts them all out. People accredit the diet when it is actually the removal of all possible problem foods that is what is responsible. It is lazy if you think about it. I say figure it out for yourself so you can claim you have your own special dietary needs instead of claiming to eat like a caveman. lol.

Yes, trial and error. Exactly. That's exactly what we have done! Why are you assuming otherwise? I didn't just pick up a diet book and become "paleo". It's "lazy" to work hard to find a way to eat as healthy as possible? It's lazy that I've spent thousands of hours over many years to find out why I am sick, what to do about it, and not to mention all the research I do in regards to history, anthropology, physiology, nutrition, health/disease, agricultural science, food politics, world economics. environmental science etc. Yeah, I'm f*&^ing lazy alright.

FYI: referring to eating like a caveman is just a good humoured joke that some people enjoy. Get over it.

Nope don't buy it. Who is we anyway?? Are you now speaking for all cavemen?? Following a diet hook line and sinker is not experimenting and making it your own. It is FOLLOWING another person's plan on what worked for them. Thousands of hours of research ha, I seriously doubt that. That is a bit of an exaggeration which discredits you even further.

whenday

I started out earlier this month with cutting processed foods, like bread, pastas and such but didn't exactly follow the paleo principal. I guess it was more primal but the goal for me was to cut out the processed sugars and breads. I stuck to meat and veggies and some fruit as a treat here and there. I did that about a week before I realized that my cravings were gone and I felt more awake throughout the day. Even if I did feel tired it wasn't the kind of tired I used to have before I cut back on my carbs. Now I have added back in some processed carbs and some whole food carbs like potatoes and sweet potatoes but don't go over 25% of my calories with them which gives me about 120g of carbs. So I wouldn't exactly call this paleo or primal anymore but a modification that fits me. I have my macros set to 25% carbs, 30% protein 45% fat and also follow the eat more 2 weigh less group. I have tried to lose weight in the past and I really feel that I will be successful this time.

Another thought about the paleo/primal WOE is that it makes sense about how fat isn't the devil that everybody makes it out to be. I loved reading all the research about it and they have done a great job with referencing studies. Very informative and enlightening. Really in the end you need to find a way of eating that will work for you and find something that you feel you can stick with in the long run.

NeverGivesUp

I started out earlier this month with cutting processed foods, like bread, pastas and such but didn't exactly follow the paleo principal. I guess it was more primal but the goal for me was to cut out the processed sugars and breads. I stuck to meat and veggies and some fruit as a treat here and there. I did that about a week before I realized that my cravings were gone and I felt more awake throughout the day. Even if I did feel tired it wasn't the kind of tired I used to have before I cut back on my carbs. Now I have added back in some processed carbs and some whole food carbs like potatoes and sweet potatoes but don't go over 25% of my calories with them which gives me about 120g of carbs. So I wouldn't exactly call this paleo or primal anymore but a modification that fits me. I have my macros set to 25% carbs, 30% protein 45% fat and also follow the eat more 2 weigh less group. I have tried to lose weight in the past and I really feel that I will be successful this time.

Another thought about the paleo/primal WOE is that it makes sense about how fat isn't the devil that everybody makes it out to be. I loved reading all the research about it and they have done a great job with referencing studies. Very informative and enlightening. Really in the end you need to find a way of eating that will work for you and find something that you feel you can stick with in the long run.

Now this is really sensible and thoughtful!! Good for you on figuring out what works for you by your own trial and error.

pschurkamp

I am not on the paleo diet however, I am eating some of the paleo foods (pancakes, the coconut bread, etc.). The reason I am doing it is to find other foods that interest me and has a low carb count. I am diabetic. By eating this way will it eventually hurt me in the end or is it okay to mix it in with the way I eat?

whenday

Also check out the movie FATHEAD. It is a documentary that is available on netflix if you have a subscription to it. Also fathead.com for more information.

NeverGivesUp

I am not on the paleo diet however, I am eating some of the paleo foods (pancakes, the coconut bread, etc.). The reason I am doing it is to find other foods that interest me and has a low carb count. I am diabetic. By eating this way will it eventually hurt me in the end or is it okay to mix it in with the way I eat?

It shouldn't hurt you at all. I like the pancakes too. I tweak it though. I use banana, eggs, peanut butter, baking powder, vanilla, apple sauce, cinnamon. yumm. Probably ok still for a diabetic.

NeverGivesUp

Also check out the movie FATHEAD. It is a documentary that is available on netflix if you have a subscription to it. Also fathead.com for more information.

I found it for free here http://www.filmsforaction.org/watch/fat_head/

whenday

Also check out the movie FATHEAD. It is a documentary that is available on netflix if you have a subscription to it. Also fathead.com for more information.

I found it for free here http://www.filmsforaction.org/watch/fat_head/

Great! Thanks for the link. I will save it and pass it on when needed.

lucasriggs

But you tell me that my own experience is wrong. Brilliant.

Your finally getting it, good to see.

lucasriggs

Do you read what you type?

In the same post you rant about ridicule and disrespect when you do the exact same thing.

Actually it is my own valid opinion that one cannot fully understand something without first-hand experience.

Sorry but your opinion 'valid' opinion is false.

You think there is no research that supports what I do? I guess because you've never challenged what you currently believe. Don't you think that i used to eat a SAD and wondered why I wasn't healthy as promised and was getting sicker?

I'm not saying this paleo nonsense isn't healthy(and there's no research to back it up) but it restrict certain food types which don't need to be restricted at all times.

bonnieellison96

I am not on the paleo diet however, I am eating some of the paleo foods (pancakes, the coconut bread, etc.). The reason I am doing it is to find other foods that interest me and has a low carb count. I am diabetic. By eating this way will it eventually hurt me in the end or is it okay to mix it in with the way I eat?

It should be fine as long as you're watching the carbs/natural sugars closely I have quite a few friends that don't eat paleo/primal normally but they'll use paleo recipes and incorporate them into a few meals a week just to offer some different healthy choices. If you feel like you're missing certain nutrients, just look up which fruits and/or veggies are high in the nutrient you need more of, and try to find a way to incorporate that into the dish (for example, a lot of people have questions about calcium due to the absence of dairy, however things like spinach, kelp, oranges, broccoli, almonds, celery, sesame seeds, and okra are calcium rich foods).

Firefox7275

It should be fine as long as you're watching the carbs/natural sugars closely I have quite a few friends that don't eat paleo/primal normally but they'll use paleo recipes and incorporate them into a few meals a week just to offer some different healthy choices. If you feel like you're missing certain nutrients, just look up which fruits and/or veggies are high in the nutrient you need more of, and try to find a way to incorporate that into the dish (for example, a lot of people have questions about calcium due to the absence of dairy, however things like spinach, kelp, oranges, broccoli, almonds, celery, sesame seeds, and okra are calcium rich foods).

You need ~750g spinach to get the recommended amount of calcium for a female or 400g almonds or 1.2kg okra or 500g kelp or 2.4kg of oranges, it really is not as simple as the proponents make out. IMO our paleolithic ancestors were getting most of their calcium from bones and shells not plants.

My problem with paleo is the interpretation, sanitisation and Americanisation, too many people want to just eat veggies and steak or bacon and call it paleo. They don't want to eat the oily fish, organ meats and seeds. There are even 'paleo' muffins FFS. Whyu are people willing to eat modern farmed food animals and produce imported from around the world and out of season but not modern farmed grains?

jaclynZ

i didn't read through every post but this is basically anything that could be eaten raw. no legumes, starchy foods (beans potatos), or dairy. no sugars. lots of protein and fats with fruits/vegs. this is a diet for specific people - NOT for everyone. if you have a gluten intolerance it is good. athletes who do short workout (15minutes to the point of puking) bid well off this diet. not a great solution to weight loss because you technically are not supposed to count calories or anything while doing it.

pen2u

All I know is that, whatever it's called, a diet w/o grains & refined sugars works best for my body. I've known this for years, way before the "Plans" became widely known. I don't feel restricted because I remember how gross I felt when I ate sugar or grains. I now grab something else, of which there is plenty. I try to eat locally grown produce, eggs and meat, but if I can't I don't freak out.

Here's what's great for me: no more joint pain from the inflammation of arthritis. I don't have to wear my knee brace to boot camp! I can ride 24 miles on my mtn bike w/o icing my knee all night! I also have more energy and no more brain fog from my thyroid disorder. For years I was gluten-free at the suggestion of a nutritionist, but never felt 100% great. I decided to take it to the next level to see if cutting out all grains would help. I'm pleased so far!

I'm 60 years old and feel better now that I did 20 years ago.

neverstray

i didn't read through every post but this is basically anything that could be eaten raw. no legumes, starchy foods (beans potatos), or dairy. no sugars. lots of protein and fats with fruits/vegs. this is a diet for specific people - NOT for everyone. if you have a gluten intolerance it is good. athletes who do short workout (15minutes to the point of puking) bid well off this diet. not a great solution to weight loss because you technically are not supposed to count calories or anything while doing it.

You're making poor assumptions. It is the recommend diet for cross fitters.