Is this true, and if so, what do you think?!
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However, for those of you who do believe everything you read on the internet, I'm 5'8" and weight 135 pounds.
I've got to get something else done today. But I just want to say that this amused me.
Thank you all for an interesting discussion. I will be back this evening to see what I missed.0 -
I don't know if it's true or not, but considering Texas (where Whole Foods is based) is a right to work state. That does not prohibit employees from forming or joining a union. It does, however, forbid REQUIRING employees to join a union. That being said, it doesn't matter where the company is based, if there is a branch/chain/store location in a Union state, the company has to abide by the rules in that state.
Based on this knowledge, I'm going to conclude that the information is FALSE, and kindly request that people reading this stream take the time to actually think for themselves and not just believe everything they read on the internet.
However, for those of you who do believe everything you read on the internet, I'm 5'8" and weight 135 pounds.
This. All of it. Except I'm 125.0 -
Prosperity is GOOD, remember?
Prosperity IS good. Very good. It's what drives the best ideals of capitalism. And it's not a bad system - some really great things have come of capitalism. But there's a lot more than hard work that has to happen.
Support systems. What kind of education were you able to recieve?
I live in the US. Where we (well, I should qualify.... taxpayers) will pay for an enire college education for ya. In my own case, I never outlaid penny ONE from the time my parents entered me in Kindergarten, until I graduated from a university with a bachelor's degree. I DO have student loans to pay for, but I also have a bachelors degree. Which sure helped me avoid those kinds of jobs where part-time is the best I could hope for.
In other countries, all this education would have had a hefty price tag, right from the start, and would have been reserved for those whose families could afford it. Here, all children are educated at the very least from K-12. Even when they aren't grateful. Even when they have special education challenges. Even when they don't speak English. Even when they hate us for it.
Lucky you. I managed to get through three semesters of college before I ran out of money to pay for it and had to enter the workforce in order to put food on the table and pay the rent. Unfortunately, that left me without the time to go to school. Suddenly, the loans were due, and paying them back rendered putting food on the table and paying the rent the ONLY things I could do. Forget getting a better education to get a better job. I need a better job just to GET the education. And I'm talking community college here, not private school. The US financial assistance programs for post-secondary education assume that, unless you were abused as a child, joined the military, or got married, your parents are footing the bill until age 24. Now hopefully, when I DO hit 24, I will have access to more financial aid to make school a possibility, but until then, it's just not working out for me. And in the meantime, I just have to make sure I don't fall behind and go into default on these loans, because then I'd be REALLY screwed.0 -
I live in the US. Where we (well, I should qualify.... taxpayers) will pay for an enire college education for ya. In my own case, I never outlaid penny ONE from the time my parents entered me in Kindergarten, until I graduated from a university with a bachelor's degree. I DO have student loans to pay for, but I also have a bachelors degree. Which sure helped me avoid those kinds of jobs where part-time is the best I could hope for.
In other countries, all this education would have had a hefty price tag, right from the start, and would have been reserved for those whose families could afford it. Here, all children are educated at the very least from K-12. Even when they aren't grateful. Even when they have special education challenges. Even when they don't speak English. Even when they hate us for it.
And you are resentful of all this.....because???
Or should only the "deserved" be given a decent life?
Resentful!? I don't know how you got that idea.
I'm a teacher. I value and respect education more than anything. It bugs me when people don't use the opportunities we provide to them. I was pointing out how, in my opinion, in the US, wea re all on a level playing field when it comes to educational opportunities, and that's why I don't feel sorry for those who refuse to take advantage of them.
You've got bootstraps, the government pays for them. They're called education. Use 'em.
That's what I meant. I'm the opposite of resentful.
I wouldn't necessarily say that it is an equal playing field. There is a lot of variations in the quality of education from school system to school system and even from school to school.
There IS a LOT of variation. I have taught in rich white suburbia and I have taught in Oakland. I've seen the disparity. But I've also seen the success stories come out of both places.
I am NOT suggesting that it is easy. But it is true, that all kids in the US are entitled to free K-12 education. What they make of it is largely up to them.0 -
Nobody's arm is being twisted to work there, get another job if you are unhappy with the pay or benefits0
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People shopping for the lowest prices don't always think about the company policies which allow these lower prices. Price shopping doesn't sound quite as wonderful when you realize that the employees at the bargain store may have to work when they are ill else use a vacation day, or they don't get benefits at all because their hours are kept just below the full-time employee threshold, or their company has taken advantage of high unemployment by paying bare-bones wages which wouldn't retain employees in a normal economy.
When when making purchases you're not only buying the desired products, but in a very real way you are voting your support of that company's corporate citizenship, including its treatment of employees, environmental impact, support of certain political causes, etc.
Just my 3 cents.
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And I can tell you this, I notice a HUGE difference between unionized employees where I live now and the non-union protected employees back in my home state of Texas. In the past week I have overheard two employees arguing at one store and the cashier at another texting in between scanning items. That crap wouldn't fly in a non-union state. There are also protections set in place for employees in non-union states that guarantee you cannot be fired for legitimately being ill. Yes, people go to work sick, but even many salaried people do that. I know I do.0
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Lucky you. I managed to get through three semesters of college before I ran out of money to pay for it and had to enter the workforce in order to put food on the table and pay the rent. Unfortunately, that left me without the time to go to school. Suddenly, the loans were due, and paying them back rendered putting food on the table and paying the rent the ONLY things I could do. Forget getting a better education to get a better job. I need a better job just to GET the education. And I'm talking community college here, not private school. The US financial assistance programs for post-secondary education assume that, unless you were abused as a child, joined the military, or got married, your parents are footing the bill until age 24. Now hopefully, when I DO hit 24, I will have access to more financial aid to make school a possibility, but until then, it's just not working out for me. And in the meantime, I just have to make sure I don't fall behind and go into default on these loans, because then I'd be REALLY screwed.
They have forbearances. They have payment plans. I myself am on a forbearance right now. Student loans are NOT going to put you in the street. It may be uncomfortable to carry that much debt, but they aren't going to haul you off to debtors jail.0 -
Health care costs are through the roof and the new requirements from the health care reform have further increased costs and administrative processing for reporting and compliance. That's a lot of expense and extra work for a work force that typically has a high turnover rate. A lot of other retailers have the same policy for employing part-timers for hourly work for this reason.
What a horrible thought, giving people the care they need.....
Woo hoo! so I can have healthcare, but no job... sure that makes sense.0 -
Nobody's arm is being twisted to work there, get another job if you are unhappy with the pay or benefits
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Lucky you. I managed to get through three semesters of college before I ran out of money to pay for it and had to enter the workforce in order to put food on the table and pay the rent. Unfortunately, that left me without the time to go to school. Suddenly, the loans were due, and paying them back rendered putting food on the table and paying the rent the ONLY things I could do. Forget getting a better education to get a better job. I need a better job just to GET the education. And I'm talking community college here, not private school. The US financial assistance programs for post-secondary education assume that, unless you were abused as a child, joined the military, or got married, your parents are footing the bill until age 24. Now hopefully, when I DO hit 24, I will have access to more financial aid to make school a possibility, but until then, it's just not working out for me. And in the meantime, I just have to make sure I don't fall behind and go into default on these loans, because then I'd be REALLY screwed.
They have forbearances. They have payment plans. I myself am on a forbearance right now. Student loans are NOT going to put you in the street. It may be uncomfortable to carry that much debt, but they aren't going to haul you off to debtors jail.
IDK about your lender, but mine does not like forbearance, and is very reluctant to give it unless you are unemployed.0 -
I shop at Safeway for my food and gas. So if it's true, then it doesn't affect anything that I'm currently doing. Unions are good and bad.
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Nobody's arm is being twisted to work there, get another job if you are unhappy with the pay or benefits
Absolutely right!
Hmmm.....yes, because 1) jobs are plentiful right now and 2) it's completely possible to support yourself and your family on minimum wage these days. 3) It's also absolutely doable to work 3 jobs to cover bills, the babysitters to afford those jobs, AND have time to go to school to qualify for better work.
Oh wait, those conditions aren't actually true.....0 -
IDK about your lender, but mine does not like forbearance, and is very reluctant to give it unless you are unemployed.
As a result of Obamacare, you and me and everyone else.....we all have the same lender now. The federal government has taken ALL of the existing student loans away from the lenders who were previously holding them. I used to be a customer of Wachovia. Against my will, my business was transferred to Uncle Sam.
So the rules regarding forbearance and extensions and payment plans are uniform for all borrowers.0 -
It is his company, if they don't want to work for him for the wages and benefits he is offering, find another job. I'll be shopping there tonight.
^This!
ETA: Actually the part about shopping there isn't true for me. We don't have one locally. However, it is his company. He can make those decisions if he chooses.0 -
Nobody's arm is being twisted to work there, get another job if you are unhappy with the pay or benefits
Absolutely right!
Hmmm.....yes, because 1) jobs are plentiful right now and 2) it's completely possible to support yourself and your family on minimum wage these days. 3) It's also absolutely doable to work 3 jobs to cover bills, the babysitters to afford those jobs, AND have time to go to school to qualify for better work.
Oh wait, those conditions aren't actually true.....
All of these things suck but I don't get why you think an employer such as a grocery store owner is responsible for everything. There is a lot more to this story, such as supply and demand (of employees), and cost and profit (how much a retailer can charge for items and still earn back the cost of the item, the cost of storing and selling it, and the cost of employees). It's not like taking a paycut from $760k (which is pretty low for a CEO of a large company IMO) and selling a few stocks will suddenly support thousands of people's healthcare costs and higher salaries.0 -
It's easy for me to boycott this place, in large part because there is no locations nearby. But if given a better opportunity, I would boycott the place based on our different views on how to engage a workforce and the place of healthcare.
In terms of workforce, it is easy to come up with anecdotal evidence for where unions have abused power or been ineffective, but the same can be found from the side of corporate America as well. For that reason, I have a tendency to ignore anecdotal evidence and look at facts that are less stories and more numbers. The disproportionate rise in upper management salaries to workforce is troubling to me. The lower taxes on capital gains versus taxes on income also troubles me. They each send a message that labor is not respected. To have people say things along the lines of "to bad, suffer, I do and don't whine" is a message that doesn't make sense to me. I am not saying that we should all be 100% happy, 100% of the time, that we are entitled to this, but instead, there is a growing unfairness to the workforce and rather than the solution being simple acceptance, I say look at companies with a fairer sense of treatment to its workforce and spend money there. Let's build profits on volume and ethical behavior, not on greatest margins.
Before I get off my soapbox, I'd also like to address the idea of universal health care being the taboo descriptions of fascist or socialist. If it is, then so be it. But it meant you most likely got on your socialized roads, possibly drove your kids to socialized schools and maybe felt a little more secure knowing there was a socialized police force and fire department protecting your homes and bodies. Why is it okay to have a military budget that is more than the next 10 country's military budget combined, this socialized force, but not something that protects our health? Some have said nothing in the US Constitution, but I invite you to read the Preamble, that while offers "provide for the common defense" just before "promote the general welfare". I can't see anything more closely following our general welfare than our health.
Thank you Schoolhouse Rock for letting me know our Preamble.0 -
I live in the US. Where we (well, I should qualify.... taxpayers) will pay for an enire college education for ya. In my own case, I never outlaid penny ONE from the time my parents entered me in Kindergarten, until I graduated from a university with a bachelor's degree. I DO have student loans to pay for, but I also have a bachelors degree. Which sure helped me avoid those kinds of jobs where part-time is the best I could hope for.
In other countries, all this education would have had a hefty price tag, right from the start, and would have been reserved for those whose families could afford it. Here, all children are educated at the very least from K-12. Even when they aren't grateful. Even when they have special education challenges. Even when they don't speak English. Even when they hate us for it.
And you are resentful of all this.....because???
Or should only the "deserved" be given a decent life?
Resentful!? I don't know how you got that idea.
I'm a teacher. I value and respect education more than anything. It bugs me when people don't use the opportunities we provide to them. I was pointing out how, in my opinion, in the US, we are all on a level playing field when it comes to educational opportunities, and that's why I don't feel sorry for those who refuse to take advantage of them.
You've got bootstraps, the government pays for them. They're called education. Use 'em.
That's what I meant. I'm the opposite of resentful.
You really think that? I do have a college degree, but I realize how freaking lucky I am because I almost had to drop out due to costs. Now I'm doing just fine and I could claim that it's from all my hard work and perseverance, but that would be complete BS. We all have to realize that there are plenty of people out there just as intelligent, just as hard working, that want it just as bad as us, and their circumstances don't allow it to happen. So stop trying to make yourself sound special, you're really not. I'm sure you work hard but there's so much more that factors into it.
Same thing with all these CEO's that all of you admire so much. Mainly, because it sounds like you think you're going to be just like them. Good luck... you'll need it. Hard work alone won't get you there.0 -
All of these things suck but I don't get why you think an employer such as a grocery store owner is responsible for everything. There is a lot more to this story, such as supply and demand (of employees), and cost and profit (how much a retailer can charge for items and still earn back the cost of the item, the cost of storing and selling it, and the cost of employees). It's not like taking a paycut from $760k (which is pretty low for a CEO of a large company IMO) and selling a few stocks will suddenly support thousands of people's healthcare costs and higher salaries.
It won't. I think I said this earlier. (Not a dig on you, actually - the thread is getting long and it's easy to miss a post or two.) I think I'm running out of anything but sarcasm to offer this thread. Which, normally does me worlds of good in terms of motivation, but I'm just not feeling it today.
Anyhow, thank you for the reasonable post. Come to think of it, everyone's been reasonable so far. That's totes awesome.0 -
IDK about your lender, but mine does not like forbearance, and is very reluctant to give it unless you are unemployed.
As a result of Obamacare, you and me and everyone else.....we all have the same lender now. The federal government has taken ALL of the existing student loans away from the lenders who were previously holding them. I used to be a customer of Wachovia. Against my will, my business was transferred to Uncle Sam.
So the rules regarding forbearance and extensions and payment plans are uniform for all borrowers.
All I know is that, about a year ago, when I tried to get forbearance, they were not very helpful and I backed down. Maybe I should try again.0
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