If its really about calories then explain to me why.....
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It isn't about calories in and calories out so much as it is the value of the calories you eat. Certain foods work to help your body burn fat and to expel fat. It is science. Too much to explain here, but you can read for yourself what low carbs do for the body. However, many ppl forget to count processed sugar as their carb count, it can sabotage your efforts. 6g of processed sugars a day, 100g of natural sugars.You can have 1500 calories consisting of bread and gain weight due to the way it processes in your body or you can have 1500 calories of veggies and fruits which many actually work to burn fat (mushrooms and onions for example) and do not process as a sugar, etc. It is truly about WHAT you eat vs the calories consumed.
Carbs sit in your body (in your tummy mostly) and hold three times its weight in water). When you don't eat carbs and burn carbs via activity and exercise, your body will burn all the carbs and then tap into fat stores as fuel. That is how they lose. Also, each gram of carb holds three times its weight in water. You will lose water weight when you lose the carbs. You can tell when this change happens, you'll pee a lot. AT first on a low carb diet, you'll feel sick bc your candida in your body is dying, which is good. It feeds off of sugars/carbs. many overweight ppl have too much candida. Not all of it will die, but the excess will. This will reduce stomach bloat. The candida die off (ppl call it "carb flu") But it is really die off, will release about 79 toxins into your body which makes you feel sick. Hang in there, bc it will flush out of your system in about three days and then you'll feel like a million dollars and have tons of energy.
I try to eat low carb, but my carbs are all from fruits and veggies. I do not eat a high protein diet in its place bc it is very toxic and unhealthy (my opinion) but is controversial. I only eat chicken and eggs in moderation. The veggies I choose are the higher protein ones. I drink a few protein shakes too.0 -
If you look at the food groups that are available that literally have no carbs, they are almost the most healthiest foods, and it's a very serious task to eat only 20 grams of protien a day. The reason the weight loss is so great, is because you are literally creating a deficit by eating those food groups. I applaud anyone that can only consume 2grams of carbs a day.............In any event creat a deficit and the weight will come off period........the trick is to create the biggest deficit your body can tolerate on a week to week basis.0
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Um, no. That's not science, that's mythology. For one thing ALL carbs,regardless of source, are converted into sugar, as that's what carbs are, long chains of glucose, aka sugar. Processed vs natural sugar is irrelevant, as your body processes sugar molecules as sugar molecules, no matter what the source. As for candida, too much candida has way more to do with antibiotics than diet. And carbs aren't really stored in the belly, they are mostly stored in muscles, with a small reserve in the liver. Belly fat is fat, not carbs.It isn't about calories in and calories out so much as it is the value of the calories you eat. Certain foods work to help your body burn fat and to expel fat. It is science. Too much to explain here, but you can read for yourself what low carbs do for the body. However, many ppl forget to count processed sugar as their carb count, it can sabotage your efforts. 6g of processed sugars a day, 100g of natural sugars.You can have 1500 calories consisting of bread and gain weight due to the way it processes in your body or you can have 1500 calories of veggies and fruits which many actually work to burn fat (mushrooms and onions for example) and do not process as a sugar, etc. It is truly about WHAT you eat vs the calories consumed.
Carbs sit in your body (in your tummy mostly) and hold three times its weight in water). When you don't eat carbs and burn carbs via activity and exercise, your body will burn all the carbs and then tap into fat stores as fuel. That is how they lose. Also, each gram of carb holds three times its weight in water. You will lose water weight when you lose the carbs. You can tell when this change happens, you'll pee a lot. AT first on a low carb diet, you'll feel sick bc your candida in your body is dying, which is good. It feeds off of sugars/carbs. many overweight ppl have too much candida. Not all of it will die, but the excess will. This will reduce stomach bloat. The candida die off (ppl call it "carb flu") But it is really die off, will release about 79 toxins into your body which makes you feel sick. Hang in there, bc it will flush out of your system in about three days and then you'll feel like a million dollars and have tons of energy.
I try to eat low carb, but my carbs are all from fruits and veggies. I do not eat a high protein diet in its place bc it is very toxic and unhealthy (my opinion) but is controversial. I only eat chicken and eggs in moderation. The veggies I choose are the higher protein ones. I drink a few protein shakes too.0 -
There's only one food group that has literally zero carbs, and that's meat. If it isn't meat, it has carbs.If you look at the food groups that are available that literally have no carbs, they are almost the most healthiest foods, and it's a very serious task to eat only 20 grams of protien a day. The reason the weight loss is so great, is because you are literally creating a deficit by eating those food groups. I applaud anyone that can only consume 2grams of carbs a day.............In any event creat a deficit and the weight will come off period........the trick is to create the biggest deficit your body can tolerate on a week to week basis.0 -
That's rich. Literally, every single one of your posts has been a non-sequitur.
Maybe it seems that way to you because of your aforementioned struggles. :laugh:
I figure if I hang out here long enough, I too will become a wizard:
1. 50% of calories from carbs;
2. Calorie deficits and resulting lipolysis rivaling that of the ketogenics without much, if any, glycolytic activity; and
3. No de novo lipogenesis.
You are a trip! I get about 50% of my calories from carbs, lose fat, and yet I'm not a wizard at all. Hmmmmm0 -
I don't really care whether it's cultural or not. What I care about is enjoying my life, part of which involves eating foods I like. What's hopelessly obnoxious is suggesting I should want to change my lifestyle to something I don't enjoy, not for my own benefit, but so that you can feel like you won an argument on the internet.What's hopelessly obnoxious, though, is how some people believe that people on ketogenic diets don't have any cultural attachment to carbohydrates and that their nutritional protocol couldn't possibly be part of a lifestyle change.
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Spartan_Maker, you keep pushing the ketogenic diet as the way humans evolved. Do you have evidence of that? Because according to the studies I've read, from the archeological records, humans ate a very carb heavy diet. They actually worked out Paleolithic era humans as eating a 50%c/20%p30%f ratio, at about 3000 calories per day. That's about the exact opposite of a ketogenic diet. In fact, the only culture that really ate a ketogenic type diet was the Inuit culture, and they have long been known to have shorter lifespans and higher rates of disease.
Ketosis is an adaptation for short term survival. It's not the optimal way for the body to function. The advantage of human beings is that we are endlessly adaptable to our environments. That's what allows us to survive.
Well, since everyone is pursuing tangential topics, I'll digress.
As a matter of clarification, I wrote that humans evolved because of a ketogenic diet; that is, it allowed them to survive the harshest periods in human history. As you acknowledge: "Ketosis is an adaptation for short term survival." I would agree with that statement from an evolutionary standpoint, although the word "is" and the phrase "short term" should be replaced. It has more context to say: "Throughout human history, ketosis has been an adaptation for survival during times when carbohydrates were unavailable, due to blights, seasonal weather, severe weather, and war, among other things." If either of us thought about it long enough, we could probably give it a more elegant and eloquent defintion. Good enough for now.
The above clarification, of course, makes the balance of your post a non-sequitur, but I'll still address it anyway, because it brings up a more important topic. First of all (no offense to Paleo types who I deeply respect), but I couldn't care less about the macronutrient percentages of our early ancestors during good times, when they could frolic through the forests eating blackberries and waving at bunny rabbits. What I want to know is what they did and how their bodies reacted during bad times, when things were rough and extremely challenging. Other than those who know something about anti-aging, few people restrict calories (or carbohydrate calories specifically) by choice.
So, with the above in mind, I'd say that your thinking is counterintuitive. "Optimal" is what our bodies do when we don't have a choice. As a prelude to the rest of this post, it shouldn't come as any surprise that evolution has decided that carbohydrates aren't necessary for survival (we don't need a single gram), but that we'd die without protein and fat.
Why do I care about what the body chooses to do during really tough times rather than easy times? Because I want to know what natural selection has decided on as our way to survive during scarcity -- the operative word being "survive." It doesn't take a logician to figure out that there is a causal relationship between survival mechanisms during scarcity and longevity generally -- it's axiomatic. The converse to that statement, of course, is that it doesn't take a logician to figure out that there is a causal relationship between bountiful indulgence and death. Along these lines, every bit of top level longevity research supports the theory that insulin suppression (carbohydrate restriction and to a lesser degree, protein limitation), is among the most powerful way to extend life. Reducing blood glucose levels and increasing beta-hydroxybutyrate (which attenuates oxidative stress) appears to have a lot to do with slowing down the Hayflick limit and protecting the length of our telomeres. Dr. Elizabeth Blackburn from UCSF et als. won the Nobel Prize in Physiology or Medicine in 2009 for their work on telomeres and Dr. Cynthia Kenyon from UCSF (among others) have done lots of work on the relationship between insulin, telomeres, and longevity. Since 2009, many of the world's top molecular biologists and biochemists are almost singularly focused on this topic.
So, as for ketosis, whatever definition you or I choose to give it as a matter of evolutionary biology, why wouldn't any smart person use modern scientific advancements in combination with it, to exploit its benefits and perfect it. I left out the question mark because it's rhetorical. That's evolutionary advancement.
DISCLAIMER FOR ANYONE READING THIS POST: So that we don't waste 10 posts addressing fragile egos, this isn't intended to be evangelical or advice of any sort. I couldn't care less what anyone else does or doesn't do. I couldn't care less that you love your carbs, sunsets, and taking long walks in the park. I couldn't care less if you tried low carb or ketosis and found it insufferable. It's immaterial. I will say, however, that if someone did find it insufferable, it's highly likely that it's because they didn't spend enough time fiinding out how to properly construct the diet generally and/or according to their specific needs. If it's properly constructed (getting serum BHB levels correct and making sure adequate amounts of sodium, potassium, and magnesium are consumed), it's simple.0 -
I don't really care whether it's cultural or not. What I care about is enjoying my life, part of which involves eating foods I like. What's hopelessly obnoxious is suggesting I should want to change my lifestyle to something I don't enjoy, not for my own benefit, but so that you can feel like you won an argument on the internet.What's hopelessly obnoxious, though, is how some people believe that people on ketogenic diets don't have any cultural attachment to carbohydrates and that their nutritional protocol couldn't possibly be part of a lifestyle change.
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You're easily impressed. For various reasons, it doesn't surprise me.0 -
There is a very simple answer OP.
Carbs spike insulin and insulin causes the body to store bodyfat.
It's all there on Wikipedia, or in ANY book on human digestion/metabolism.
Or go to Youtube and type in "insulin obesity"0 -
There is a very simple answer OP.
Carbs spike insulin and insulin causes the body to store bodyfat.
It's all there on Wikipedia, or in ANY book on human digestion/metabolism.
Or go to Youtube and type in "insulin obesity"
Protein spikes insulin too, oh noes!0 -
Not sure if this has already been said as I have read some of the posts but am in work so can't read them all. According to a qualified nutritionist friend of mine, unhealthy carbs such as white potatoes, white bread, white rice etc, cause your blood sugar levels to increase which in turn causes your body to release insulin to counteract the sugar. If you eat too many of these carbs then your body releases too much insulin and any excess then gets stored in your bodies fat cells and causes you to gain weight. Now we all need carbs for energy, but we need to watch where that carb comes from. Eat plenty of vegetables such as spinach and broccoli and cut out the whites, eat sweet potatoes and swap white rice for brown, this helps to regulate blood sugar levels and the production of insulin, hence the weight comes off quicker. It is possible to maintain on this and won't affect your health long term.
Now just to clarify, I have done this in the past on the advice of my nutritionist and it worked, I lost weight quickly, but as with a lot of us I didn't stick to it and the weight went back on just as fast.
I did post this on another thread too, just not in as much detail and was told that my ideas were old fashioned, but if you look at the diets that go along with Insanity and Turbo Fire, not to mention my friend who is a professionally qualified nutritionist, then they are not from the dark ages and I would dare anyone to say that to Shaun T's face.
So in a nutshell, as long as these people were eating plenty of veg then they weren't actually cutting out the carbs, just getting them a different and healthy way. I haven't eaten potatoes in quite a while but bread has been my downfall, I'm now back trying to eradicate these unhealthy foods from my diet and I am hoping it will make a difference, not in the short term, but as a life style change too.0 -
Not sure if this has already been said as I have read some of the posts but am in work so can't read them all. According to a qualified nutritionist friend of mine, unhealthy carbs such as white potatoes, white bread, white rice etc, cause your blood sugar levels to increase which in turn causes your body to release insulin to counteract the sugar. If you eat too many of these carbs then your body releases too much insulin and any excess then gets stored in your bodies fat cells and causes you to gain weight. Now we all need carbs for energy, but we need to watch where that carb comes from. Eat plenty of vegetables such as spinach and broccoli and cut out the whites, eat sweet potatoes and swap white rice for brown, this helps to regulate blood sugar levels and the production of insulin, hence the weight comes off quicker. It is possible to maintain on this and won't affect your health long term.
Now just to clarify, I have done this in the past on the advice of my nutritionist and it worked, I lost weight quickly, but as with a lot of us I didn't stick to it and the weight went back on just as fast.
I did post this on another thread too, just not in as much detail and was told that my ideas were old fashioned, but if you look at the diets that go along with Insanity and Turbo Fire, not to mention my friend who is a professionally qualified nutritionist, then they are not from the dark ages and I would dare anyone to say that to Shaun T's face.
So in a nutshell, as long as these people were eating plenty of veg then they weren't actually cutting out the carbs, just getting them a different and healthy way. I haven't eaten potatoes in quite a while but bread has been my downfall, I'm now back trying to eradicate these unhealthy foods from my diet and I am hoping it will make a difference, not in the short term, but as a life style change too.
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Carbs are sugar, and they store fat, naturally if you eat less of them then it's going to give you a boost.. also carbs store more water so that affects the scale as well.
Personally, I don't care if you do it low carb or low cal, or both... do what works for you. I've done both, and low carb combined with low calorie and high fat is easier and faster for me, I really could care less about bread/pasta/etc anyway. Other people it's a different story completely.0 -
Carbs are sugar, and they store fat, naturally if you eat less of them then it's going to give you a boost .
Exactly how do carbs store fat in a calorie deficit? And exactly what kind of "boost" do you get if you eat less of them?0 -
I hate you all.
The End.0 -
You're easily impressed. For various reasons, it doesn't surprise me.
I'm impressed when people who have the ability to use logic and reason use it in a humorous fashion. I am not impressed when people such as yourself go off on tangents that are irrelevant, derailing threads with nonsense.0 -
You're easily impressed. For various reasons, it doesn't surprise me.
I'm impressed when people who have the ability to use logic and reason use it in a humorous fashion. I am not impressed when people such as yourself go off on tangents that are irrelevant, derailing threads with nonsense.
The irony of your posts is stunning. The thread was focused on the issue of so-called metabolic advantage, and it became one about protecting your fragile ego and how you love to throw back carbs.0 -
Because being in ketosis cuts my appetite and that makes it easier (note I didn't say easy) to maintain a larger calorie deficit for a longer time period without getting so hungry I snap and buy up the entire snack food aisle of the grocery store.0
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You're easily impressed. For various reasons, it doesn't surprise me.
I'm impressed when people who have the ability to use logic and reason use it in a humorous fashion. I am not impressed when people such as yourself go off on tangents that are irrelevant, derailing threads with nonsense.
The irony of your posts is stunning. The thread was focused on the issue of so-called metabolic advantage, and it became one about protecting your fragile ego and how you love to throw back carbs.
What exactly is the reason all your posts have to be so caustic and insulting? Are you able to communicate without condescending?0 -
Why ask the question if you always dismiss people's responses?
because no one is answering the question -- why do low carbers lose so fast? not is it a good plan or is it sustainable.
It was answered right away and dismissed0 -
Why ask the question if you always dismiss people's responses?
because no one is answering the question -- why do low carbers lose so fast? not is it a good plan or is it sustainable.
Precisely: MaraDiaz did the best job in my view.
People on a ketogenic diet are able to consistently achieve much larger calorie deficits because they are not subject to hypoglycemia. I, for one, could go two days without eating if I wanted and exercise endlessly without even thinking about food because my brain is fed endogenously. Ketogenic dieters can easily do protein sparing modified fasts, intermittent fasting, and all sorts of things that conventional dieters cannot accomplish.0 -
It's not about how fast you lose the weight. It's about creating a new, healthy lifestyle. Any diet where you restrict will work, but most of the time you will put the wieght right back on as soon as you re-introduce whatever you've cut out of your diet.
It doesn't matter how FAST you lose the weight if you don't keep it off.
Exactly!!! I eat whatever I want and just try to stay within my calories, it's been a slow process and to tell you the truth, the scale barely moves but ALL my pants are falling and I'm shrinking so it's working therefore I don't believe that restrictions are the way to go.0 -
This thread....
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Its not about the calories its about a balanced diet. Everything comes into play check the canada food guide and then see how many grams of carbs protein sugar etc your age group and size needs. Find the fruits that have lower sugar so you can eat more and still stay within the guidelines. Drink plenty of water is a must or green tea check out different types there a a lot of varieties out there. When I started I could not believe that my sugar was over every day from eating fruit. I am now going to try eating the lower sugar fruits and see where that gets me 5lbs in the first week with lots of exercise and I am happy.0
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Why is it that sooo many people lose weight so much quicker when they eat less than 20 grams of carbs per day? I see soooo many success stories where people lose 50-60 lb in 5 months (for example) these are people who are not extremely obese either..whereas counting calories you rarely see where they lose that much in that short period of time? So is it really the deficit in your daily calories that count? All these numerous stories I read & see lose so much so quick eating low carb!!
Low "carbers" do not lose fat faster. Fact. Its called a diet trend. In a few years you'll see sooooooo many people losing weight off of some other diet. Cal in VS cal out. Defecit = weight loss. No advantage what so ever unless there is a medical reasoning behind it. Protein WILL be turned into glucose if you do not eat enough carbs.0 -
You obviously have the internet. Do a little research and come up with the answer for yourself. Oh wait, you weren't looking for an answer - you just wanted to stir up some $**t.Why is it that sooo many people lose weight so much quicker when they eat less than 20 grams of carbs per day? I see soooo many success stories where people lose 50-60 lb in 5 months (for example) these are people who are not extremely obese either..whereas counting calories you rarely see where they lose that much in that short period of time? So is it really the deficit in your daily calories that count? All these numerous stories I read & see lose so much so quick eating low carb!!0 -
for Body composition ketogenic diets may work...Why ask the question if you always dismiss people's responses?
because no one is answering the question -- why do low carbers lose so fast? not is it a good plan or is it sustainable.
Precisely: MaraDiaz did the best job in my view.
People on a ketogenic diet are able to consistently achieve much larger calorie deficits because they are not subject to hypoglycemia. I, for one, could go two days without eating if I wanted and exercise endlessly without even thinking about food because my brain is fed endogenously. Ketogenic dieters can easily do protein sparing modified fasts, intermittent fasting, and all sorts of things that conventional dieters cannot accomplish.0 -
I did high protein/lower carb. I'm guessing the results come down to appetite control. If you eat smart (no bacon wrapped hot dogs but instead lean meats, lots of veggies, etc) you usually just fill yourself up without taking in tons of calories. Is it simpler than counting calories? In my opinion yes. Is there magic involved? No. I would recommended it to anyone with strong cravings, binge instincts, and people who are hungry ALL the time. It worked really well for me and has helped me move to a more balanced low GI diet.0
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for Body composition ketogenic diets may work...Why ask the question if you always dismiss people's responses?
because no one is answering the question -- why do low carbers lose so fast? not is it a good plan or is it sustainable.
Precisely: MaraDiaz did the best job in my view.
People on a ketogenic diet are able to consistently achieve much larger calorie deficits because they are not subject to hypoglycemia. I, for one, could go two days without eating if I wanted and exercise endlessly without even thinking about food because my brain is fed endogenously. Ketogenic dieters can easily do protein sparing modified fasts, intermittent fasting, and all sorts of things that conventional dieters cannot accomplish.
They work for anyone who is disciplined enough to educate themselves and properly construct the diet. I know several people who have been following the diet for more than a decade, including an everyday person, biochemist, and professional athlete.0 -
for Body composition ketogenic diets may work...Why ask the question if you always dismiss people's responses?
because no one is answering the question -- why do low carbers lose so fast? not is it a good plan or is it sustainable.
Precisely: MaraDiaz did the best job in my view.
People on a ketogenic diet are able to consistently achieve much larger calorie deficits because they are not subject to hypoglycemia. I, for one, could go two days without eating if I wanted and exercise endlessly without even thinking about food because my brain is fed endogenously. Ketogenic dieters can easily do protein sparing modified fasts, intermittent fasting, and all sorts of things that conventional dieters cannot accomplish.
They work for anyone who is disciplined enough to educate themselves and properly construct the diet. I know several people who have been following the diet for more than a decade, including an everyday person, biochemist, and professional athlete.
I'm curious as to who this professional athlete is0
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