So, are carbs evil or not?
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Thought this said Crabs...my bad.0
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No if you eat the right amount!0
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I have never watched how many carbs I've eaten and it hasn't stopped me from reaching my goals.
But I have known others who ate low carb and lost lots of weight, tried to go back to eating normally & gained more weight than they lost back.0 -
Well, as a diabetic, I have to watch my carb intake. They are not evil, but they do turn into sugar which can have adverse affects on someone with my condition. If you take in carbs or a lot of them, then you really need to consider exercise to keep energy levels up and avoid "sugar" spikes. Ultimately though calories are calories. I say be mindful of how many carbs you take in and calories in general.
Side note: When our diets were more of a high carb diet (potatoes, grains, rice, root veggies) people were A LOT more active. We were farmers, construction workers, etc.. There was much more manual labor. Today we sit more and have automated factories, and large screen t.v.'s that keep us less active. The problem is that we never changed our diet.0 -
Energy sources are evil.0
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I've seen this question asked a lot, and I've seen a hundred different responses. I personally think that you simply have to find what works for you. Try different things, find something you're happy with - that you can live with and sustain - and do that. I, and again, personally, cut out a lot of processed grains and refined sugar. That's not to say I never have them. I do, and I enjoy them when I have them. I do not beat myself up if I have a cookie. I've lost nearly 70 lbs - in 6 months. I still like pizza, cookies, and chips and salsa. I just don't have copious amounts of these foods. I'm also diabetic. I don't count carbs like a maniac. If I have something that I know has a lot of carbs in it, I just take a long walk...brings the glucose level right down. I exercise, I lift weights like a maniac, and I feel the best I have in my whole life. All of this while eating (moderate) carbs. You have to find balance, something you can live with, otherwise you're just wasting your time.0
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Thought this said Crabs...my bad.
Those aren't evil either.
I could eat crabs all day.0 -
what about that is good? it also has zero to do with the average MFP-er who isn't on anabolic steroids...
If you new anything about Alberto Nunez you'd know he's not on them either.
I don't believe that for a second.
haha we can at least agree on that.
You don't have to believe - and honestly I can't give two hoots if you don't.
why does me "demonizing" a certain kind of carb have any effect on you or cause you ANY problems? out of curiosity.
Look at the thread title. People are scared of them!
As for me, lots of people who come to me for help and I help diet are scared of carbs again because people wrongly say specific carbs are bad. That's why.
You still haven't given me a good example of any carbs that are bad yet tho?
Nunez isn't even freakishly huge, he's just super diced. People always are quick to pull that gear talk when they see a physique out of their work limits.0 -
For me they are evil. I had a cup of fried rice the other day and 3 hours later my blood sugars were STILL at 329. This is after a 39 pound weight loss. :frown:0
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Carbs have a direct correlation to leptin levels (hormone that regulates metabolism) carbs are good and should be where the majority of your cals come from.
Yes, that is true in non-obese individuals (particularly men). But leptin is already elevated in obese individuals and the blood level of leptin that women have is already, 2 to 3 times that of men at the same level of body fat. The problem is leptin-resistance and that is curbed the same way that insulin resistance is curbed, by cutting carbs. In fact, leptin-resistance predicts insulin-resistance. It just isn't so simple. http://www.medscape.com/viewarticle/707432_7
Leptin resistance is far few and between for the average dieter.0 -
Carbs have a direct correlation to leptin levels (hormone that regulates metabolism) carbs are good and should be where the majority of your cals come from.
Yes, that is true in non-obese individuals (particularly men). But leptin is already elevated in obese individuals and the blood level of leptin that women have is already, 2 to 3 times that of men at the same level of body fat. The problem is leptin-resistance and that is curbed the same way that insulin resistance is curbed, by cutting carbs. In fact, leptin-resistance predicts insulin-resistance. It just isn't so simple. http://www.medscape.com/viewarticle/707432_7
Leptin resistance is far few and between for the average dieter.
No. To the contrary, leptin resistance is quite common in the obese (and the obese are quite common on this website). Here is a link to a journal article on the subject: http://ajpregu.physiology.org/content/285/5/R1011.full
From the article: "...Typical obese humans and animals are hyperleptinemic and resistant to exogenous leptin. Clinical trials with leptin have been disappointing due to this phenomenon of leptin resistance in the obese state, and interest in pharmacological leptin to treat obesity has waned...."0 -
they must be cos they taste sooooo good0
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Removing carbs is just an easy way of making most meals have less calories.
Take I dunno, a basic meal of steak, potatoes, a sauce and broccoli. Replace one of the first three with more broccoli and maybe 1/4-1/3 of the calories are gone.
Protein helps keep most people full for longer and fat makes everything more yummy. So the easiest thing to remove is the potatoes and the low carb diet does that. Low fat removes the sauce and vegetarian diets(low protein diets?) would remove the meat.0 -
Removing carbs is just an easy way of making most meals have less calories.
Take I dunno, a basic meal of steak, potatoes, a sauce and broccoli. Replace one of the first three with more broccoli and maybe 1/4-1/3 of the calories are gone.
Protein helps keep most people full for longer and fat makes everything more yummy. So the easiest thing to remove is the potatoes and the low carb diet does that. Low fat removes the sauce and vegetarian diets(low protein diets?) would remove the meat.
You make some good points. I would add that removing sugar and starch from the diet eliminates a lot of non-nourishing calories that could be spent on other more nourishing items. For me, "empty" carbohydrates are an extravagance that I simply cannot afford on my 1390 calories a day. And there are other bio-chemical issues involved with eating carbohydrates as well.0 -
Removing carbs is just an easy way of making most meals have less calories.
Take I dunno, a basic meal of steak, potatoes, a sauce and broccoli. Replace one of the first three with more broccoli and maybe 1/4-1/3 of the calories are gone.
Protein helps keep most people full for longer and fat makes everything more yummy. So the easiest thing to remove is the potatoes and the low carb diet does that. Low fat removes the sauce and vegetarian diets(low protein diets?) would remove the meat.
i think this is a little oversimplified though... fats have much more importance in your diet than just making things yummy, and vegetarian diets are not inherently low protein
also, I'm technically eating "low carb" - as they only make up 25% of my diet and mostly come from fruits and veggies - but I eat 188g of them and hit 3000 cal daily. So low carb/restricted carb/etc can mean a helluva lot of different things.0 -
Removing carbs is just an easy way of making most meals have less calories.
Take I dunno, a basic meal of steak, potatoes, a sauce and broccoli. Replace one of the first three with more broccoli and maybe 1/4-1/3 of the calories are gone.
Protein helps keep most people full for longer and fat makes everything more yummy. So the easiest thing to remove is the potatoes and the low carb diet does that. Low fat removes the sauce and vegetarian diets(low protein diets?) would remove the meat.
i think this is a little oversimplified though... fats have much more importance in your diet than just making things yummy, and vegetarian diets are not inherently low protein
also, I'm technically eating "low carb" - as they only make up 25% of my diet and mostly come from fruits and veggies - but I eat 188g of them and hit 3000 cal daily. So low carb/restricted carb/etc can mean a helluva lot of different things.
True, dat.0 -
No.0
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nope,i still eat SOME carbs and have been steadily losing a pound or two a week for the last few months. As always, everything in moderation so you won't feel deprived! Nothing is forbidden, just well-managed 0
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nope,i still eat SOME carbs and have been steadily losing a pound or two a week for the last few months. As always, everything in moderation so you won't feel deprived! Nothing is forbidden, just well-managed
Well, I think most of us eat SOME carbs. I average a little lower than 100 each day--but they come from vegetables, whole grain and fruit, in that order (with vegetables being a much larger part). I would guess that I am eating in a similar way to Coach Reddy, but I am eating less than half of the calories that he is eating so he has a bit more of a cushion than I have, when it comes to eating on track.0 -
Then there are people like me who lost their weight on 55% carbs. Mostly from grains, veggies , & sugar. Everyone does it differently. Bottom line is simple caloric deficit WILL lead to weight loss.0
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Then there are people like me who lost their weight on 55% carbs. Mostly from grains, veggies , & sugar. Everyone does it differently. Bottom line is simple caloric deficit WILL lead to weight loss.
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Then there are people like me who lost their weight on 55% carbs. Mostly from grains, veggies , & sugar. Everyone does it differently. Bottom line is simple caloric deficit WILL lead to weight loss.
But the question is, will it lead to a healthful weight loss for everyone? I would have become quite ill were I to follow your Rx. Eating only 1390 calories a day of "mostly grains, vegetables and sugar" would guarantee it.0 -
Then there are people like me who lost their weight on 55% carbs. Mostly from grains, veggies , & sugar. Everyone does it differently. Bottom line is simple caloric deficit WILL lead to weight loss.
But the question is, will it lead to a healthful weight loss for everyone? I would have become quite ill were I to follow your Rx. Eating only 1390 calories a day of "mostly grains, vegetables and sugar" would guarantee it.
So I guess you are the unique and special snowflake. Many people eat like this all over the world everyday. You may be the exception but the whole world is not you. And 55% carbs is not mostly grain and vegetables. It's 55% (duh). Just over half. The other 45 % is fats and protein. Why are you always trying to represent things in such a way as to fit your agenda?0 -
Then there are people like me who lost their weight on 55% carbs. Mostly from grains, veggies , & sugar. Everyone does it differently. Bottom line is simple caloric deficit WILL lead to weight loss.
But the question is, will it lead to a healthful weight loss for everyone? I would have become quite ill were I to follow your Rx. Eating only 1390 calories a day of "mostly grains, vegetables and sugar" would guarantee it.
So I guess you are the unique and special snowflake. Many people eat like this all over the world everyday. You may be the exception but the whole world is not you. And 55% carbs is not mostly grain and vegetables. It's 55% (duh). Just over half. The other 45 % is fats and protein. Why are you always trying to represent things in such a way as to fit your agenda?
Was thinking that myself too. Magerum said that 55% of his diet is carbs - not all.
Mulberry: out of interest, what percentage carbs do you find works best for you? I've tried lots of different levels over the years (have been as low as 20g a day, currently at 40%, more if I'm doing a big hike) and always interesting to see what works for other people.0 -
Then there are people like me who lost their weight on 55% carbs. Mostly from grains, veggies , & sugar. Everyone does it differently. Bottom line is simple caloric deficit WILL lead to weight loss.
But the question is, will it lead to a healthful weight loss for everyone? I would have become quite ill were I to follow your Rx. Eating only 1390 calories a day of "mostly grains, vegetables and sugar" would guarantee it.
I'm a 30 year old 190 lb healthy male and you're a 60 year old woman. You think our needs are even similiar? Also have you forgotten that the OP is a 20 year old male? It happens, we understand.0 -
To me carbs are evil, but I am a T2 diabetic. I eat around 20g of carbs a day in the form of fruit and veggies. I make up my calories with natural foods, meat, fish, dairy, nuts, seeds etc. I eat a LOT of saturated fat <shock horror> along with my very low carb diet and in 54 weeks I have lost 102 pounds, as a very nice if unintentional bi product of my LC diet.
HOWEVER... this works for me, I have a superb Doctor here in England who keeps an eye on me, and works with me, and while he would like me to replace my lard diet with an olive oil diet he accepts my figures are stunning, and my diabetes reversed.
One thing I did notice, once I got over the carb flu last year, I found I had more energy than I know what to do with, my mind is sharp and alert, I sleep so, so much better, and all carb cravings have gone. My body is now fully keto adapted, and I am happy to keep it that way. I love my diet - nothing is processed or has more than one ingredient except cheese and Greek yogurt, I eat only the purest, cleanest of foods. This is all my choice to help me avoid diabetes complications, and it is all dependent on me staying well away from bread, rice, past, potato's anything that has more than 10g of carbs per 100g.
I don't ask any one to follow my example (I eat Primal opposed to low carb) but it works for me. One year down and I am the best I have been in years, and I look 10 years younger than I am, which at my age is a huge boost. :-)
My advice with any and all diets, don't listen to what anyone tells you, try things for your self. I believe carbs are a huge part of the obesity epidemic in the USA and here in the UK. At the end of the day, it matters not what I or anyone believes, it is what you must find out for yourself.
Good luck.0 -
Then there are people like me who lost their weight on 55% carbs. Mostly from grains, veggies , & sugar. Everyone does it differently. Bottom line is simple caloric deficit WILL lead to weight loss.
But the question is, will it lead to a healthful weight loss for everyone? I would have become quite ill were I to follow your Rx. Eating only 1390 calories a day of "mostly grains, vegetables and sugar" would guarantee it.
So I guess you are the unique and special snowflake. Many people eat like this all over the world everyday. You may be the exception but the whole world is not you. And 55% carbs is not mostly grain and vegetables. It's 55% (duh). Just over half. The other 45 % is fats and protein. Why are you always trying to represent things in such a way as to fit your agenda?
I just used his words. I simply cannot afford ANY sugary foods in my diet--I need every available calorie to be a nourishing one. And why the paranoia? What agenda? I haven't accused you of having "an agenda". You have your opinions--I have mine. I know that there are many, many women who share my situation, and telling them to eat like male body-builders while hammering them with the mantras, "Calories in, calories out." and "moderation" simply will not work. You are doing them a disservice and are failing to understand their situation. Is it because none of you he-men can bear the thought of being sugarless? What would Ahnold S. have to say about that? :bigsmile:0 -
To me carbs are evil, but I am a T2 diabetic. I eat around 20g of carbs a day in the form of fruit and veggies. I make up my calories with natural foods, meat, fish, dairy, nuts, seeds etc. I eat a LOT of saturated fat <shock horror> along with my very low carb diet and in 54 weeks I have lost 102 pounds, as a very nice if unintentional bi product of my LC diet.
HOWEVER... this works for me, I have a superb Doctor here in England who keeps an eye on me, and works with me, and while he would like me to replace my lard diet with an olive oil diet he accepts my figures are stunning, and my diabetes reversed.
One thing I did notice, once I got over the carb flu last year, I found I had more energy than I know what to do with, my mind is sharp and alert, I sleep so, so much better, and all carb cravings have gone. My body is now fully keto adapted, and I am happy to keep it that way. I love my diet - nothing is processed or has more than one ingredient except cheese and Greek yogurt, I eat only the purest, cleanest of foods. This is all my choice to help me avoid diabetes complications, and it is all dependent on me staying well away from bread, rice, past, potato's anything that has more than 10g of carbs per 100g.
I don't ask any one to follow my example (I eat Primal opposed to low carb) but it works for me. One year down and I am the best I have been in years, and I look 10 years younger than I am, which at my age is a huge boost. :-)
My advice with any and all diets, don't listen to what anyone tells you, try things for your self. I believe carbs are a huge part of the obesity epidemic in the USA and here in the UK. At the end of the day, it matters not what I or anyone believes, it is what you must find out for yourself.
Good luck.
Excellent post. Congratulations on your weight loss.0 -
To me carbs are evil, but I am a T2 diabetic. I eat around 20g of carbs a day in the form of fruit and veggies. I make up my calories with natural foods, meat, fish, dairy, nuts, seeds etc. I eat a LOT of saturated fat <shock horror> along with my very low carb diet and in 54 weeks I have lost 102 pounds, as a very nice if unintentional bi product of my LC diet.
HOWEVER... this works for me, I have a superb Doctor here in England who keeps an eye on me, and works with me, and while he would like me to replace my lard diet with an olive oil diet he accepts my figures are stunning, and my diabetes reversed.
One thing I did notice, once I got over the carb flu last year, I found I had more energy than I know what to do with, my mind is sharp and alert, I sleep so, so much better, and all carb cravings have gone. My body is now fully keto adapted, and I am happy to keep it that way. I love my diet - nothing is processed or has more than one ingredient except cheese and Greek yogurt, I eat only the purest, cleanest of foods. This is all my choice to help me avoid diabetes complications, and it is all dependent on me staying well away from bread, rice, past, potato's anything that has more than 10g of carbs per 100g.
I don't ask any one to follow my example (I eat Primal opposed to low carb) but it works for me. One year down and I am the best I have been in years, and I look 10 years younger than I am, which at my age is a huge boost. :-)
My advice with any and all diets, don't listen to what anyone tells you, try things for your self. I believe carbs are a huge part of the obesity epidemic in the USA and here in the UK. At the end of the day, it matters not what I or anyone believes, it is what you must find out for yourself.
Good luck.
Excellent post. Congratulations on your weight loss.
Indeed - but this applies to people who are diabetic - not the 20 year old male op. ( I don't think you said you were)0 -
To me carbs are evil, but I am a T2 diabetic. I eat around 20g of carbs a day in the form of fruit and veggies. I make up my calories with natural foods, meat, fish, dairy, nuts, seeds etc. I eat a LOT of saturated fat <shock horror> along with my very low carb diet and in 54 weeks I have lost 102 pounds, as a very nice if unintentional bi product of my LC diet.
HOWEVER... this works for me, I have a superb Doctor here in England who keeps an eye on me, and works with me, and while he would like me to replace my lard diet with an olive oil diet he accepts my figures are stunning, and my diabetes reversed.
One thing I did notice, once I got over the carb flu last year, I found I had more energy than I know what to do with, my mind is sharp and alert, I sleep so, so much better, and all carb cravings have gone. My body is now fully keto adapted, and I am happy to keep it that way. I love my diet - nothing is processed or has more than one ingredient except cheese and Greek yogurt, I eat only the purest, cleanest of foods. This is all my choice to help me avoid diabetes complications, and it is all dependent on me staying well away from bread, rice, past, potato's anything that has more than 10g of carbs per 100g.
I don't ask any one to follow my example (I eat Primal opposed to low carb) but it works for me. One year down and I am the best I have been in years, and I look 10 years younger than I am, which at my age is a huge boost. :-)
My advice with any and all diets, don't listen to what anyone tells you, try things for your self. I believe carbs are a huge part of the obesity epidemic in the USA and here in the UK. At the end of the day, it matters not what I or anyone believes, it is what you must find out for yourself.
Good luck.
Excellent post. Congratulations on your weight loss.
Indeed - but this applies to people who are diabetic - not the 20 year old male op. ( I don't think you said you were)
I wish I were 20 something :-) I am considerably older and female, and yes, this would suit a diabetic mostly. A non diabetic could eat the same as I do, but I would suggest that like me, they do see a Doctor at least quarterly, just to be on the safe side. :-)0
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