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  • _Lori_Lynn_
    _Lori_Lynn_ Posts: 460
    That's fine. I don't particularly understand punishing your body by putting it through several days of weakness, shakiness, headaches, and whatever else extreme hunger pangs produce just to feel "cleansed" from foods I already pooped out days or weeks ago.

    I don't think I'll ever understand that.

    I don't have any of those problems on a cleansing diet. The main thing is to get all your calories and lots of fruits and vegetables, some meat, [I like tuna, salmon, elk, organic chicken (a bit more expensive but worth it)] and seed grains like amaranth, quinoa, or buckwheat. Some of the stuff is expensive but I try to eat cheap stuff like carrots, cabbage, and celery to make up for it.

    Wait. Are you telling me that you DETOX your body by eating foods that contain mercury, fagopyrin, polychlorinated biphenyls (PCBs), dioxins, toxaphene, dieldrin, hexachlorobenzene (HCB), lindane, heptachlor epoxide, cis-nonachlor, trans-nonachlor, gamma-chlordane, alpha-chlordane, Mirex, endrin and DDT amongst others? What exactly are you cleansing from? How is this giving your liver a break at all? What do you think your liver cleans from your blood anyway?

    Your body filters oxygen, water, nutrients, vitamins, toxins produced by digestion of proteins, etc... It passes them to your digestive tract via bile.

    How does eating certain foods release anything stored in fat cells? It doesn't the only way to release anything contained in fat cells is by oxidation.

    Even if I had bought into this idea before, you just assured me that it is a complete load of... bile.

    An FYI, every question you people are asking on this page (such as this one) has been answered in this thread. If you read only the last three pages you'll find all the answers. It's too much work to retype what we have already discussed.

    Take care.
  • TheDevastator
    TheDevastator Posts: 1,626 Member
    I don't understand this idea of giving your liver and kidneys a break. Unless you have a medical condition...your organs do what they are supposed to do. Do you also need to give your heart, lungs, and brain a break the same way you do with your liver and kidneys? It doesn't make sense.

    Let's face it. If our livers and kidneys were at peak performance, none of us would be on this site in the first place. Have you tried any form of cleanse ever?

    i have never jabbed a fork into my eye socket, but i know that it would be:

    1) painful
    2) pointless with respect to my health

    my objection to detox cleanses is not personal. it's scientific and rational. if you would take the time to learn how your body actually works, you would laugh at the whole concept of a detox cleanse too. it's bogus. it's non-scientific. it's a scam.

    Science has never tested cleanses like this, the medical industry doesn't want it proven. If you listen to all the right people that know it works or try the right cleanses for yourself you will be amazed at how you feel and look. Detoxes can be explained scientifically by the vitamins and minerals they contain and what the liver needs for the phases of detoxification.

    double-you-tee-eff is that? :laugh:

    http://balancedconcepts.net/liver_phases_detox_paths.pdf

    ummm... not a scientific source.

    http://balancedconcepts.net/trish_bio.html

    it's ok if you want to believe in voodoo. really, it doesn't affect me at all. i just hope the lurkers reading this thread are getting a healthy dose of skepticism from the other side... you know, the one where science and facts actually matter... before considering doing a so-called "detox cleanse".

    if you can show me something from credible scientific or medical sources which shows these detoxes to be in any way based in reality or physiology, then i'll open my mind. but pointing me to quacks and new age practitioners is not going to sway me at all.
    Science and facts have never disproved cleanses in fact there has been some that have proved it works, but it's usually discredited without any real facts disproving it. (example: Gerson Therapy) it's usually people just trying to bring up bogus material and opinions on the matter. I wasn't trying to sway you, you didn't know what the phases of detoxification were so I gave you a pdf link explaining it.
  • 3dogsrunning
    3dogsrunning Posts: 27,167 Member
    That's fine. I don't particularly understand punishing your body by putting it through several days of weakness, shakiness, headaches, and whatever else extreme hunger pangs produce just to feel "cleansed" from foods I already pooped out days or weeks ago.

    I don't think I'll ever understand that.

    I don't have any of those problems on a cleansing diet. The main thing is to get all your calories and lots of fruits and vegetables, some meat, [I like tuna, salmon, elk, organic chicken (a bit more expensive but worth it)] and seed grains like amaranth, quinoa, or buckwheat. Some of the stuff is expensive but I try to eat cheap stuff like carrots, cabbage, and celery to make up for it.

    Wait. Are you telling me that you DETOX your body by eating foods that contain mercury, fagopyrin, polychlorinated biphenyls (PCBs), dioxins, toxaphene, dieldrin, hexachlorobenzene (HCB), lindane, heptachlor epoxide, cis-nonachlor, trans-nonachlor, gamma-chlordane, alpha-chlordane, Mirex, endrin and DDT amongst others? What exactly are you cleansing from? How is this giving your liver a break at all? What do you think your liver cleans from your blood anyway?

    Your body filters oxygen, water, nutrients, vitamins, toxins produced by digestion of proteins, etc... It passes them to your digestive tract via bile.

    How does eating certain foods release anything stored in fat cells? It doesn't the only way to release anything contained in fat cells is by oxidation.

    Even if I had bought into this idea before, you just assured me that it is a complete load of... bile.

    An FYI, every question you people are asking on this page (such as this one) has been answered in this thread. If you read only the last three pages you'll find all the answers. It's too much work to retype what we have already discussed.

    Take care.

    I've followed the entire thread. I saw where you said fat was toxic but no explanation and definitely no meaning. There is no need to re-type you can quote.

    If you are talking about how you said it was a strain on your organs, I saw that but again, I think that is where the meaning is being confused.
  • _Lori_Lynn_
    _Lori_Lynn_ Posts: 460
    What exactly are you trying to cleanse?

    I hope to find the answer to this on the three pages I haven't read yet. Would love to know what toxin is eliminated from the body as a result of a "cleanse" that is not otherwise eliminated.

    I'm just curious about how toxic fat is.

    I wrote the answer above. I will try to find it for you. Do you want me to email it to you or post it here?

    Here is fine but I would like to Know what is defined as toxic. Like I said I think we have different ideas of what that means.

    Just saw this. I found a Youtube video which might help you understand. It is by Peter Glimmick who wrote the second Master Cleanse Book. I am not promoting the Master Cleanse. There are many types of cleanses. And this man is also selling a book , but you can do the cleanse without the book, it can be read free online and without buying anything . However, I do understand way he describes toxins and stored toxins to be true.

    Here is the Youtube video which describes the toxins in the body that cleanses help with. I am off here to get stuff done. See you around.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vFZ6NbQfhDk
  • Sunka1
    Sunka1 Posts: 217 Member
    That's fine. I don't particularly understand punishing your body by putting it through several days of weakness, shakiness, headaches, and whatever else extreme hunger pangs produce just to feel "cleansed" from foods I already pooped out days or weeks ago.

    I don't think I'll ever understand that.

    I don't have any of those problems on a cleansing diet. The main thing is to get all your calories and lots of fruits and vegetables, some meat, [I like tuna, salmon, elk, organic chicken (a bit more expensive but worth it)] and seed grains like amaranth, quinoa, or buckwheat. Some of the stuff is expensive but I try to eat cheap stuff like carrots, cabbage, and celery to make up for it.

    Wait. Are you telling me that you DETOX your body by eating foods that contain mercury, fagopyrin, polychlorinated biphenyls (PCBs), dioxins, toxaphene, dieldrin, hexachlorobenzene (HCB), lindane, heptachlor epoxide, cis-nonachlor, trans-nonachlor, gamma-chlordane, alpha-chlordane, Mirex, endrin and DDT amongst others? What exactly are you cleansing from? How is this giving your liver a break at all? What do you think your liver cleans from your blood anyway?

    Your body filters oxygen, water, nutrients, vitamins, toxins produced by digestion of proteins, etc... It passes them to your digestive tract via bile.

    How does eating certain foods release anything stored in fat cells? It doesn't the only way to release anything contained in fat cells is by oxidation.

    Even if I had bought into this idea before, you just assured me that it is a complete load of... bile.

    You mentioned "toxins produced by the digestion of proteins". So if we cut back on proteins, are we cutting back on "toxins produced by the digestions of proteins"?
  • _Lori_Lynn_
    _Lori_Lynn_ Posts: 460
    That's fine. I don't particularly understand punishing your body by putting it through several days of weakness, shakiness, headaches, and whatever else extreme hunger pangs produce just to feel "cleansed" from foods I already pooped out days or weeks ago.

    I don't think I'll ever understand that.

    I don't have any of those problems on a cleansing diet. The main thing is to get all your calories and lots of fruits and vegetables, some meat, [I like tuna, salmon, elk, organic chicken (a bit more expensive but worth it)] and seed grains like amaranth, quinoa, or buckwheat. Some of the stuff is expensive but I try to eat cheap stuff like carrots, cabbage, and celery to make up for it.

    Wait. Are you telling me that you DETOX your body by eating foods that contain mercury, fagopyrin, polychlorinated biphenyls (PCBs), dioxins, toxaphene, dieldrin, hexachlorobenzene (HCB), lindane, heptachlor epoxide, cis-nonachlor, trans-nonachlor, gamma-chlordane, alpha-chlordane, Mirex, endrin and DDT amongst others? What exactly are you cleansing from? How is this giving your liver a break at all? What do you think your liver cleans from your blood anyway?

    Your body filters oxygen, water, nutrients, vitamins, toxins produced by digestion of proteins, etc... It passes them to your digestive tract via bile.

    How does eating certain foods release anything stored in fat cells? It doesn't the only way to release anything contained in fat cells is by oxidation.

    Even if I had bought into this idea before, you just assured me that it is a complete load of... bile.

    You mentioned "toxins produced by the digestion of proteins". So if we cut back on proteins, are we cutting back on "toxins produced by the digestions of proteins"?

    Yes! This!
  • Mads1997
    Mads1997 Posts: 1,494 Member
    those who are looking at doing a cleanse should watch this. LOL

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y17ZNZ5rRQA
  • TheDevastator
    TheDevastator Posts: 1,626 Member
    Wait. Are you telling me that you DETOX your body by eating foods that contain mercury, fagopyrin, polychlorinated biphenyls (PCBs), dioxins, toxaphene, dieldrin, hexachlorobenzene (HCB), lindane, heptachlor epoxide, cis-nonachlor, trans-nonachlor, gamma-chlordane, alpha-chlordane, Mirex, endrin and DDT amongst others? What exactly are you cleansing from? How is this giving your liver a break at all? What do you think your liver cleans from your blood anyway?

    Your body filters oxygen, water, nutrients, vitamins, toxins produced by digestion of proteins, etc... It passes them to your digestive tract via bile.
    Most if not all food have some elements that are toxic. Spinach is known to have traces of lead, but I still eat it. I'm choosing foods that are less likely to have a lot of toxins.
    How does eating certain foods release anything stored in fat cells? It doesn't the only way to release anything contained in fat cells is by oxidation.

    Even if I had bought into this idea before, you just assured me that it is a complete load of... bile.
    Eating certain foods doesn't help release anything from fat cells. You usually lose weight on a cleanse if you eat a lot of fruits and vegetables, which help the liver function and lessen the incoming toxins from your diet. The liver can then focus on purifying the blood and the toxins that are released from the fat cells when you are losing weight.
  • 3dogsrunning
    3dogsrunning Posts: 27,167 Member
    What exactly are you trying to cleanse?

    I hope to find the answer to this on the three pages I haven't read yet. Would love to know what toxin is eliminated from the body as a result of a "cleanse" that is not otherwise eliminated.

    I'm just curious about how toxic fat is.

    I wrote the answer above. I will try to find it for you. Do you want me to email it to you or post it here?

    Here is fine but I would like to Know what is defined as toxic. Like I said I think we have different ideas of what that means.

    Just saw this. I found a Youtube video which might help you understand. It is by Peter Glimmick who wrote the second Master Cleanse Book. I am not promoting the Master Cleanse. There are many types of cleanses. And this man is also selling a book , but you can do the cleanse without the book, it can be read free online and without buying anything . However, I do understand way he describes toxins and stored toxins to be true.

    Here is the Youtube video. I am off here to get stuff done. See you around.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vFZ6NbQfhDk


    Thank you.
    It's funny, he says twice that the liver eliminates these toxins on it own. He does say that if it get overwhelmed and can't process it all, it's stored in fat cells until it can get a chance to, then it will. If most people followed the advice of eating more veggies and whole food and drinking water, it would do the same thing.
    I didn't see that fat was toxic although he does say toxins are stored there.

    I do disagree with him on the cause of people gaining weight when they come off of a strict calorie diet. I've been there, on a whole food diet.
  • TheDevastator
    TheDevastator Posts: 1,626 Member
    That's fine. I don't particularly understand punishing your body by putting it through several days of weakness, shakiness, headaches, and whatever else extreme hunger pangs produce just to feel "cleansed" from foods I already pooped out days or weeks ago.

    I don't think I'll ever understand that.

    I don't have any of those problems on a cleansing diet. The main thing is to get all your calories and lots of fruits and vegetables, some meat, [I like tuna, salmon, elk, organic chicken (a bit more expensive but worth it)] and seed grains like amaranth, quinoa, or buckwheat. Some of the stuff is expensive but I try to eat cheap stuff like carrots, cabbage, and celery to make up for it.

    Wait. Are you telling me that you DETOX your body by eating foods that contain mercury, fagopyrin, polychlorinated biphenyls (PCBs), dioxins, toxaphene, dieldrin, hexachlorobenzene (HCB), lindane, heptachlor epoxide, cis-nonachlor, trans-nonachlor, gamma-chlordane, alpha-chlordane, Mirex, endrin and DDT amongst others? What exactly are you cleansing from? How is this giving your liver a break at all? What do you think your liver cleans from your blood anyway?

    Your body filters oxygen, water, nutrients, vitamins, toxins produced by digestion of proteins, etc... It passes them to your digestive tract via bile.

    How does eating certain foods release anything stored in fat cells? It doesn't the only way to release anything contained in fat cells is by oxidation.

    Even if I had bought into this idea before, you just assured me that it is a complete load of... bile.

    You mentioned "toxins produced by the digestion of proteins". So if we cut back on proteins, are we cutting back on "toxins produced by the digestions of proteins"?
    nice catch. Indeed the best cleanse is one without a lot of protein. I am a weightlifter so I tend to eat more than I should on cleanses but I do eventually feel better even with eating fish, chicken and elk.
  • 3dogsrunning
    3dogsrunning Posts: 27,167 Member
    Uric acid? Is that the toxin from protein we are talking about?
  • Sunka1
    Sunka1 Posts: 217 Member
    What exactly are you trying to cleanse?

    I hope to find the answer to this on the three pages I haven't read yet. Would love to know what toxin is eliminated from the body as a result of a "cleanse" that is not otherwise eliminated.

    I'm just curious about how toxic fat is.

    I wrote the answer above. I will try to find it for you. Do you want me to email it to you or post it here?

    Here is fine but I would like to Know what is defined as toxic. Like I said I think we have different ideas of what that means.

    Just saw this. I found a Youtube video which might help you understand. It is by Peter Glimmick who wrote the second Master Cleanse Book. I am not promoting the Master Cleanse. There are many types of cleanses. And this man is also selling a book , but you can do the cleanse without the book, it can be read free online and without buying anything . However, I do understand way he describes toxins and stored toxins to be true.

    Here is the Youtube video. I am off here to get stuff done. See you around.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vFZ6NbQfhDk


    Thank you.
    It's funny, he says twice that the liver eliminates these toxins on it own. He does say that if it get overwhelmed and can't process it all, it's stored in fat cells until it can get a chance to, then it will. If most people followed the advice of eating more veggies and whole food and drinking water, it would do the same thing.
    I didn't see that fat was toxic although he does say toxins are stored there.

    I do disagree with him on the cause of people gaining weight when they come off of a strict calorie diet. I've been there, on a whole food diet.

    did you know that "eating more veggies and whole foods and water" is a cleanse. So what are you objecting to?
  • 3dogsrunning
    3dogsrunning Posts: 27,167 Member
    What exactly are you trying to cleanse?

    I hope to find the answer to this on the three pages I haven't read yet. Would love to know what toxin is eliminated from the body as a result of a "cleanse" that is not otherwise eliminated.

    I'm just curious about how toxic fat is.

    I wrote the answer above. I will try to find it for you. Do you want me to email it to you or post it here?

    Here is fine but I would like to Know what is defined as toxic. Like I said I think we have different ideas of what that means.

    Just saw this. I found a Youtube video which might help you understand. It is by Peter Glimmick who wrote the second Master Cleanse Book. I am not promoting the Master Cleanse. There are many types of cleanses. And this man is also selling a book , but you can do the cleanse without the book, it can be read free online and without buying anything . However, I do understand way he describes toxins and stored toxins to be true.

    Here is the Youtube video. I am off here to get stuff done. See you around.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vFZ6NbQfhDk


    Thank you.
    It's funny, he says twice that the liver eliminates these toxins on it own. He does say that if it get overwhelmed and can't process it all, it's stored in fat cells until it can get a chance to, then it will. If most people followed the advice of eating more veggies and whole food and drinking water, it would do the same thing.
    I didn't see that fat was toxic although he does say toxins are stored there.

    I do disagree with him on the cause of people gaining weight when they come off of a strict calorie diet. I've been there, on a whole food diet.

    did you know that "eating more veggies and whole foods and water" is a cleanse. So what are you objecting to?

    I'm not but people seemed to earlier on when I and others suggested it.

    I do object to maple syrup cayenne pepper and whatever cleanses. Or water fasts. Or anything that involves strictly limiting calories and most foods for a period of time.

    ETA - or eatin nothing but apples for a couple of days.
  • Sunka1
    Sunka1 Posts: 217 Member
    What exactly are you trying to cleanse?

    I hope to find the answer to this on the three pages I haven't read yet. Would love to know what toxin is eliminated from the body as a result of a "cleanse" that is not otherwise eliminated.

    I'm just curious about how toxic fat is.

    I wrote the answer above. I will try to find it for you. Do you want me to email it to you or post it here?

    Here is fine but I would like to Know what is defined as toxic. Like I said I think we have different ideas of what that means.

    Just saw this. I found a Youtube video which might help you understand. It is by Peter Glimmick who wrote the second Master Cleanse Book. I am not promoting the Master Cleanse. There are many types of cleanses. And this man is also selling a book , but you can do the cleanse without the book, it can be read free online and without buying anything . However, I do understand way he describes toxins and stored toxins to be true.

    Here is the Youtube video. I am off here to get stuff done. See you around.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vFZ6NbQfhDk


    Thank you.
    It's funny, he says twice that the liver eliminates these toxins on it own. He does say that if it get overwhelmed and can't process it all, it's stored in fat cells until it can get a chance to, then it will. If most people followed the advice of eating more veggies and whole food and drinking water, it would do the same thing.
    I didn't see that fat was toxic although he does say toxins are stored there.

    I do disagree with him on the cause of people gaining weight when they come off of a strict calorie diet. I've been there, on a whole food diet.

    did you know that "eating more veggies and whole foods and water" is a cleanse. So what are you objecting to?

    I'm not but people seemed to earlier on when I and others suggested it.

    I do object to maple syrup cayenne pepper and whatever cleanses. Or water fasts. Or anything that involves strictly limiting calories and most foods for a period of time.

    ETA - or eatin nothing but apples for a couple of days.

    I can't object to sleep either. Later.
  • robot_potato
    robot_potato Posts: 1,535 Member
    Cleanses are great if your wallet is overstuffed. Beyond that, I highly recommend regular use of your liver and kidneys, they cleanse your body better than any food/drink/ 'magic' crap you could put in it.
  • CristinaL1983
    CristinaL1983 Posts: 1,119 Member
    Wait. Are you telling me that you DETOX your body by eating foods that contain mercury, fagopyrin, polychlorinated biphenyls (PCBs), dioxins, toxaphene, dieldrin, hexachlorobenzene (HCB), lindane, heptachlor epoxide, cis-nonachlor, trans-nonachlor, gamma-chlordane, alpha-chlordane, Mirex, endrin and DDT amongst others? What exactly are you cleansing from? How is this giving your liver a break at all? What do you think your liver cleans from your blood anyway?

    Your body filters oxygen, water, nutrients, vitamins, toxins produced by digestion of proteins, etc... It passes them to your digestive tract via bile.
    Most if not all food have some elements that are toxic. Spinach is known to have traces of lead, but I still eat it. I'm choosing foods that are less likely to have a lot of toxins.
    How does eating certain foods release anything stored in fat cells? It doesn't the only way to release anything contained in fat cells is by oxidation.

    Even if I had bought into this idea before, you just assured me that it is a complete load of... bile.
    Eating certain foods doesn't help release anything from fat cells. You usually lose weight on a cleanse if you eat a lot of fruits and vegetables, which help the liver function and lessen the incoming toxins from your diet. The liver can then focus on purifying the blood and the toxins that are released from the fat cells when you are losing weight.

    I guess I don't understand because your cleanse seems to consist of most of the foods I eat on a daily basis (except elk, I've never eaten it). So I guess the question is what are you detoxing from. You are eating plenty of foods that are known to be pretty high in toxins. How does this give your liver a "break?" What would be "off limits" to you?
  • TheDevastator
    TheDevastator Posts: 1,626 Member
    Wait. Are you telling me that you DETOX your body by eating foods that contain mercury, fagopyrin, polychlorinated biphenyls (PCBs), dioxins, toxaphene, dieldrin, hexachlorobenzene (HCB), lindane, heptachlor epoxide, cis-nonachlor, trans-nonachlor, gamma-chlordane, alpha-chlordane, Mirex, endrin and DDT amongst others? What exactly are you cleansing from? How is this giving your liver a break at all? What do you think your liver cleans from your blood anyway?

    Your body filters oxygen, water, nutrients, vitamins, toxins produced by digestion of proteins, etc... It passes them to your digestive tract via bile.
    Most if not all food have some elements that are toxic. Spinach is known to have traces of lead, but I still eat it. I'm choosing foods that are less likely to have a lot of toxins.
    How does eating certain foods release anything stored in fat cells? It doesn't the only way to release anything contained in fat cells is by oxidation.

    Even if I had bought into this idea before, you just assured me that it is a complete load of... bile.
    Eating certain foods doesn't help release anything from fat cells. You usually lose weight on a cleanse if you eat a lot of fruits and vegetables, which help the liver function and lessen the incoming toxins from your diet. The liver can then focus on purifying the blood and the toxins that are released from the fat cells when you are losing weight.

    I guess I don't understand because your cleanse seems to consist of most of the foods I eat on a daily basis (except elk, I've never eaten it). So I guess the question is what are you detoxing from. You are eating plenty of foods that are known to be pretty high in toxins. How does this give your liver a "break?" What would be "off limits" to you?
    I'm hoping my liver will detox everything it can, nothing in particular. What foods are high in toxins that I've named? I'm guessing the fish and meat? The liver doesn't get a break really but I'm hoping to lessen the load. The foods that are off-limits are in the manual page 8. http://www.cleanprogram.com/files/clean-program-manual.pdf
  • CristinaL1983
    CristinaL1983 Posts: 1,119 Member
    Wait. Are you telling me that you DETOX your body by eating foods that contain mercury, fagopyrin, polychlorinated biphenyls (PCBs), dioxins, toxaphene, dieldrin, hexachlorobenzene (HCB), lindane, heptachlor epoxide, cis-nonachlor, trans-nonachlor, gamma-chlordane, alpha-chlordane, Mirex, endrin and DDT amongst others? What exactly are you cleansing from? How is this giving your liver a break at all? What do you think your liver cleans from your blood anyway?

    Your body filters oxygen, water, nutrients, vitamins, toxins produced by digestion of proteins, etc... It passes them to your digestive tract via bile.
    Most if not all food have some elements that are toxic. Spinach is known to have traces of lead, but I still eat it. I'm choosing foods that are less likely to have a lot of toxins.
    How does eating certain foods release anything stored in fat cells? It doesn't the only way to release anything contained in fat cells is by oxidation.

    Even if I had bought into this idea before, you just assured me that it is a complete load of... bile.
    Eating certain foods doesn't help release anything from fat cells. You usually lose weight on a cleanse if you eat a lot of fruits and vegetables, which help the liver function and lessen the incoming toxins from your diet. The liver can then focus on purifying the blood and the toxins that are released from the fat cells when you are losing weight.

    I guess I don't understand because your cleanse seems to consist of most of the foods I eat on a daily basis (except elk, I've never eaten it). So I guess the question is what are you detoxing from. You are eating plenty of foods that are known to be pretty high in toxins. How does this give your liver a "break?" What would be "off limits" to you?
    I'm hoping my liver will detox everything it can, nothing in particular. What foods are high in toxins that I've named? I'm guessing the fish and meat? The liver doesn't get a break really but I'm hoping to lessen the load. The foods that are off-limits are in the manual page 8. http://www.cleanprogram.com/files/clean-program-manual.pdf

    So this is basically an elimination diet like the ones used by doctors to discover allergies or an intolerance. It doesn't really explain any kind of toxins other than that. I don't see how following an elimination diet if you don't have an allergy or intolerance would help anything. To each their own.

    Oh yeah and the foods that have toxins, buckwheat, fish, some meats, some veggies (like you mentioned spinach but really a lot of them). I'm not saying that any of these are toxic but most food either contains or produces, as a byproduct of digestion, chemicals which are 'toxic' and must be filtered out by your liver.

    I think the liver does a fine job and that it doesn't need a break but if you are doing a "cleanse" to give your liver a break, I cannot see really eating or drinking much of anything outside of water to do that. I can understand the idea of a "water fast" or fasting, I can even get with someone doing it for the purposes of a cleanse (again I don't think it is necessary but I can understand it) but I cannot see how simply eating some things but not others (when pretty much everything has or produces some kind of "toxin") does anything really at all.
  • Sarauk2sf
    Sarauk2sf Posts: 28,072 Member
    OP: just eat a diet with a reasonable calorie target and include mainly nutrient dense foods. If you want to psychological benefit of 'kick starting' your diet, just eat whole foods - plenty of fruits and veggies, but also make sure you get enough fat and protein. You really do not have to mess around with detoxes or cleanses (which can be harmful, depending on which ones they are, and do not detox anything).
  • vlmay1955
    vlmay1955 Posts: 100 Member
    Go get a colonoscopy. I guarantee you will get the cleanse of your life!!! Other than that - don't do a cleanse. they are not good for you.
  • _Lori_Lynn_
    _Lori_Lynn_ Posts: 460
    You really do not have to mess around with detoxes or cleanses (which can be harmful, depending on which ones they are, and do not detox anything).

    Please provide proof of the cleanses which harm and why. And also of proof they do not detox from anything. We provided otherwise (how cleanses help) even posted a video. What you say is untrue. A cleanse done within a reasonable amount of time cannot harm you. If you do it for 100 days, yes it may, but for one to ten days. No way!
  • Sarauk2sf
    Sarauk2sf Posts: 28,072 Member
    You really do not have to mess around with detoxes or cleanses (which can be harmful, depending on which ones they are, and do not detox anything).

    Please provide proof of the cleanses which harm and why. And also of proof they do not detox from anything. We provided otherwise (how cleanses help) even posted a video. What you say is untrue. A cleanse done within a reasonable amount of time cannot harm you. If you do it for 100 days, yes it may, but for one to ten days. No way!

    I am still waiting for your to provide proof that they do detox anything. Where exactly did I say that all cleanses are harmful? I said they may be harmful depending on which ones. Please re-read my statement.

    ETA: this is going to be my last communication with you regarding my statement. I am not wasting my time on you. I stated my stance on this to the OP. It was not exactly inflammatory or 'out there'. Have a lovely day...good luck with your cleanse that you are starting tomorrow. I will be thinking of you while I eat my daily bowl of......
  • EvgeniZyntx
    EvgeniZyntx Posts: 24,208 Member
    You really do not have to mess around with detoxes or cleanses (which can be harmful, depending on which ones they are, and do not detox anything).

    Please provide proof of the cleanses which harm and why. And also of proof they do not detox from anything. We provided otherwise (how cleanses help) even posted a video. What you say is untrue. A cleanse done within a reasonable amount of time cannot harm you. If you do it for 100 days, yes it may, but for one to ten days. No way!

    Here: http://www.myfitnesspal.com/topics/show/927327-cleanse-why-you-are-lucky-they-don-t-work

    If it worked, it would likely be bad for you.
  • _Lori_Lynn_
    _Lori_Lynn_ Posts: 460
    I am still waiting for your to provide proof that they do detox anything. Where exactly did I say that all cleanses are harmful? I said they may be harmful depending on which ones. Please re-read my statement.

    ETA: this is going to be my last communication with you regarding my statement. I am not wasting my time on you. I stated my stance on this to the OP. It was not exactly inflammatory or 'out there'. Have a lovely day...good luck with your cleanse that you are starting tomorrow. I will be thinking of you while I eat my daily bowl of......
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    Got to love it. I provide proof of what it detoxes from (to include a video) and she doesn't even watch it, but says she is waiting for "proof". Can you say, "ice cream causes brain cells to freeze and die". I sure can give you proof of that one.

    I suppose if I didn't have the answers, I'd bail too.

    OP won't pay attention to you, you provided no proof. "Just words" are nothing of value.
  • _Lori_Lynn_
    _Lori_Lynn_ Posts: 460
    You really do not have to mess around with detoxes or cleanses (which can be harmful, depending on which ones they are, and do not detox anything).

    Please provide proof of the cleanses which harm and why. And also of proof they do not detox from anything. We provided otherwise (how cleanses help) even posted a video. What you say is untrue. A cleanse done within a reasonable amount of time cannot harm you. If you do it for 100 days, yes it may, but for one to ten days. No way!

    Here: http://www.myfitnesspal.com/topics/show/927327-cleanse-why-you-are-lucky-they-don-t-work

    If it worked, it would likely be bad for you.

    No one has ever died or been harmed as such from a cleanse in documented history that I have found.
  • Sarauk2sf
    Sarauk2sf Posts: 28,072 Member
    Got to love it. I provide proof of what it detoxes from (to include a video) and she doesn't even watch it, but says she is waiting for "proof". Can you say, "ice cream causes brain cells to freeze and die". I sure can give you proof of that one.

    I suppose if I didn't have the answers, I'd bail too.

    ad hominem...again

    A video is not 'proof' of anything.
  • TheDevastator
    TheDevastator Posts: 1,626 Member
    So this is basically an elimination diet like the ones used by doctors to discover allergies or an intolerance. It doesn't really explain any kind of toxins other than that. I don't see how following an elimination diet if you don't have an allergy or intolerance would help anything. To each their own.

    Oh yeah and the foods that have toxins, buckwheat, fish, some meats, some veggies (like you mentioned spinach but really a lot of them). I'm not saying that any of these are toxic but most food either contains or produces, as a byproduct of digestion, chemicals which are 'toxic' and must be filtered out by your liver.

    I think the liver does a fine job and that it doesn't need a break but if you are doing a "cleanse" to give your liver a break, I cannot see really eating or drinking much of anything outside of water to do that. I can understand the idea of a "water fast" or fasting, I can even get with someone doing it for the purposes of a cleanse (again I don't think it is necessary but I can understand it) but I cannot see how simply eating some things but not others (when pretty much everything has or produces some kind of "toxin") does anything really at all.
    The book explains more. The diet doesn't just get rid of allergens. It gets rid of most food made by factory farms, processed meats, low nutrition grains, seafood that is the most likely to have toxins, oils high in free radicals, foods that do damage to the liver or disrupt detoxification, most food that spikes blood sugar a lot, etc. There are reasons for removing all those foods.

    It's the foods that are full of nutrients is what is really important and fruits and vegetables do that with lower toxins than most food. You also can't be concerned with every little toxin because you wouldn't eat anything. I think the most important ones are obviously the allergens. There's a reason people are allergic to them. Toxins like mold or irritants or just that it doesn't digest well.
  • _Lori_Lynn_
    _Lori_Lynn_ Posts: 460
    Got to love it. I provide proof of what it detoxes from (to include a video) and she doesn't even watch it, but says she is waiting for "proof". Can you say, "ice cream causes brain cells to freeze and die". I sure can give you proof of that one.

    I suppose if I didn't have the answers, I'd bail too.

    ad hominem...again

    A video is not 'proof' of anything.

    Hehe, gotcha. Remember, you weren't going to "speak to me about it". The video proved a lot, but you'll never be the wiser on that one. I'm off now to eat my ice cream and this is the last thing I'll say to you. And guess what? When I say something I actually follow through.
  • Sarauk2sf
    Sarauk2sf Posts: 28,072 Member
    Got to love it. I provide proof of what it detoxes from (to include a video) and she doesn't even watch it, but says she is waiting for "proof". Can you say, "ice cream causes brain cells to freeze and die". I sure can give you proof of that one.

    I suppose if I didn't have the answers, I'd bail too.

    ad hominem...again

    A video is not 'proof' of anything.

    Hehe, gotcha. Remember, you weren't going to "speak to me about it". The video proved a lot, but you'll never be the wiser on that one. I'm off now to eat my ice cream and this is the last thing I'll say to you. And guess what? When I say something I actually follow through.

    What can I say...it is so enlightening 'talking' to you...you are very hard to resist.
  • EvgeniZyntx
    EvgeniZyntx Posts: 24,208 Member
    You really do not have to mess around with detoxes or cleanses (which can be harmful, depending on which ones they are, and do not detox anything).

    Please provide proof of the cleanses which harm and why. And also of proof they do not detox from anything. We provided otherwise (how cleanses help) even posted a video. What you say is untrue. A cleanse done within a reasonable amount of time cannot harm you. If you do it for 100 days, yes it may, but for one to ten days. No way!

    Here: http://www.myfitnesspal.com/topics/show/927327-cleanse-why-you-are-lucky-they-don-t-work

    If it worked, it would likely be bad for you.

    No one has ever died or been harmed as such from a cleanse in documented history that I have found.

    First off, what I am saying is that if they worked biologially as stated in several arguments that they somehow increased how the liver cleared toxins, the resulting metabolites would be dangerous. If I take your statement as truth and agree that cleanses do no harm - then it is because I would be saying that they are no more effective that water in activing detoxification.

    Now to the "documented history" of cleanses doing harm - i'll address that in two parts.

    1) first the specific - colonic cleanses have been documented as being a risky procedure:
    http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/15588118

    but, if you are specifically talking about the utility / risk profile of lemon or master cleanses - you are right - there is no article on pubmed outlining a specific death or even highlighting a risk of that type of cleanse in PubMed. Just like there is absolutely not one article on the efficacy, usefulness of these cleanses in PubMed. In fact, I failed to see a single article on a single component aspect of the base utility in the top 500 peer reviewed scientific articles. So if you are basing your recommendation of a cleanse on scientific documented history I would suggest that there is nothing there for or against that suggests they are efficacious of dangerous. However, you will find lots of articles on nutrient deficiency and the risks incurred due to short and middle term extreme restriction. PubMed is quirky like that, one needs to dig on specific things.

    2) general statement on the priniciple of efficacy of treatments. Every single treatment, if it is efficacious has possible undesired side effects. If a treatment is known to be 100% safe then it is generally true that it is also 100% useless. Efficacy always creates risks.

    ETA: typo

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