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I believe that Paleo/Primal/Clean eaters belong to a cult.
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There are no words for how amazing this whole thread is.
More pictures of ponies is all it needs.
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So by your definitions, every religious organization is a cult, football fans are a cult, people that watch celebrity gossip are a colt.
aka, you're dumb.
insults are against the community guidelines. you can get a strike for that.
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You honestly think posting this to the main forum was a good idea and wont start controversy? LOL
Also, for you do be correct you also need to prove that Paleo is "based on dogma" AND prove that its just a FAD. Neither of which I believe are true. Nice try though.
Dogma is the official system of belief or doctrine held by a religion, or a particular group or organization.[1] It serves as part of the primary basis of an ideology or belief system, and it cannot be changed or discarded without affecting the very system's paradigm, or the ideology itself.
yep. paleo's based on dogma
So theres is only 1 paleo diet and 1 paleo diet only? FAIL
Oh I'm not claiming that. But it IS a belief system - we have no way of knowing how paleo man ate. I only have one problem withthe concept, and that's that paleo man ate a mostly meat based diet (as put forth by http://thepaleodiet.com). I believe that the paleo man got a lot of calories from carbs in foraged tubers. Doc Cordian doesn't seem to have room for that in his dogma.
Edit: I accidentally a word.
Thats my point. How many people believe they are following the Paleo diet that veers off of what Doc Whoever says should be the Paleo diet? How many Paleo cult members have no idea who this Doc Cordian is? Or would that be blashemy and grounds for excommunication from the group? :laugh:
No freakin clue man. I would expect most paleo eaters know who dr. cordian is, since the internet says: "LOREN CORDAIN, PH.D., THE WORLD'S LEADING EXPERT ON PALEOLITHIC DIETS AND FOUNDER OF THE PALEO MOVEMENT"
and if it's on the internet .. well then .. bonjour.
I dont think it's right or wrong. as a species, we can get sustenance from just about anything we eat. that's why there's 7 billion of us now. It's A (valid) way to eat. I just get aggravated when people insist it's THE way to eat.0 -
.., Paleo/Keto are the true way humans are supposed to eat. Keep shoving those cupcakes down your throat ...
Fortunately, I am not a human. I hail from the planet "BakedGhoodias". We need cupcakes and brownies to survive on this feeble planet.0 -
I, myself... belong to the "I'm an alcoholic" cult. New members always welcome. :drinker:
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So by your definitions, every religious organization is a cult, football fans are a cult, people that watch celebrity gossip are a colt.
aka, you're dumb.
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I would be a vegetarian, but animals taste so damn good!0
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definition of "Cult" from Merriam Webster.
That's your problem right there.
You should have used the Oxford English dictionary...
Heck No! We here in 'Merica use a "merican dixshunairy. Take your fancy pants speaking english and tell king george to shove it where the sun don shine.
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Unwavering deference to an idea without questioning its underlying principles is very sinister indeed; oftentimes such fealty turns into belief. A mind that is structured on blind belief is inherently resistant to change, and will quickly stagnate.
That being said, this thread is absolute nonsense.... name calling based on the kinds of food that people prefer to ingest.
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This was fun......until the lock.0 -
[I, myself... belong to the "I'm an alcoholic" cult. New members always welcome. :drinker:
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Finally, somewhere I belong...0 -
If something someone is doing is bringing them joy, they feel it is improving their lives and health, why not let them have it? Not everyone has to do the same things, like the same things, follow the same paths to achieve their goals. What happened to live and let live? How could it possibly negatively impact you if someone else is living a paleo/primal/clean eating plan? I was under the distinct impression these forums – this site – was to help people in their pursuits of good health, to offer resources and support. The rampant negativity espoused by this post and other like it say infinitely more about the characters of those individuals starting and perpetuating them than they could ever say about people who have a developed a passion for something they truly believe is making them better people. Shame on you, OP.
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This thread is useless without pics of bacon.0
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Yup, eating healthy, home prepared meals from foods found in nature is just the stupidest idea ever. Curing disease by changing one's diet is even more stupid. Instead we should be following all the advice of MFP "a calorie is a calorie" experts, take lots of meds for all of our ailments, and keep eating "normal" processed foods (most of which didn't exist 100 years ago).
(Why are many people SO threatened by people that choose to eliminate foods that make them sick and fat??? It gets tiring. Not only can we never share our stories, even when asked, without ignorance and ridicule, but threads are created just to insult one lifestyle choice. I don't get it.)
Yes, many Paleo/Primal/Clean eaters are very passionate; it's because we have learned that being sick/fat is not normal and is preventable and curable with diet. We want to help other people have the same experience. But people like you can just go ahead keep doing what you are doing and "wait for the cure" for diabetes, obesity, cancer, heart disease, depression, etc. Best luck to you.
OP and others: do some research into "diseases of Civilization". I find it ludicrous that people think lifestyle (including food) plays no role in health. It's illogical.
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Eating non-paleo foods doesn't make me sick at all. I eat "junk" everyday and still have hot abzzz that you can bounce a quarter off. Paleo's didn't live long enought to develop diet related diseases or illnesses. So, how do you know it is optimal?0 -
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The point is not about the food being eaten specifically, it is about the mindset that "my way is right and the rest of you are going to hell." When a person becomes so entrenched in an ideal that they shun those who do not share their beliefs and ridicule scientific evidence, they have succumbed to a cult-like mentality. And yes, this could apply to sports teams, specific diets, religions, etc. Regardless of the focus of their obsession, it is clinical with regards to mental health and indicates that a person may have an obsessive personality or other diagnosis that can be addressed.0
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definition of "Cult" from Merriam Webster.
That's your problem right there.
You should have used the Oxford English dictionary...
Heck No! We here in 'Merica use a "merican dixshunairy. Take your fancy pants speaking english and tell king george to shove it where the sun don shine.
Red,white,and blue! Go Cowboys!
You'll have to excuse me. I didn't understand a word of that.
Can someone translate this into English pour moi? Merci.0 -
This thread is useless without pics of bacon.
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[I, myself... belong to the "I'm an alcoholic" cult. New members always welcome. :drinker:
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Finally, somewhere I belong...
:drinker: Checking into my cult!0 -
My I propose a separate website for paleo eaters?...because
1) do they even need to count cals? and
2) they might be more comfortable in a group solely about them. (I did it when I did my somersizing there were websites just for us and before you throw rocks or clubs at me, yes according to the above OP's merriam webster dictionary, it would be a cult as well. an awesome cult that totally works! but a cult nonetheless) and ...one more thing....
3) i'd like to add can we propose a separate island or commune for them as well where they would never have to be sickened by walking into a restaurant to find breaded anything or sandwiches, burgers, pizza's or the like. I remember how hard these were with somersizing but I did not consider them evil just not good for me or fitting my plan. to paleo dieters however it is an assault to their dna and so so so evil.
Currently my plan is to just start eating at a separate dinner table from my caveman. When he walks up and says "table for 3". I will walk up behind him and politely request a "table for one", and wait for my table to eat in peace and without having to look at a sickened upturned nose while I chow down on my ish! And still lose weight.0 -
Yes, many Paleo/Primal/Clean eaters are very passionate; it's because we have learned that being sick/fat is not normal and is preventable and curable with diet. We want to help other people have the same experience. But people like you can just go ahead keep doing what you are doing and "wait for the cure" for diabetes, obesity, cancer, heart disease, depression, etc. Best luck to you.
When anyone gets evangelical though, it gets annoying. There are also other ways of "healthy" living besides paleo that also go a long ways in curing diseases, improving overall health, etc. I actually think it's comments like the one above that get people like the OP riled up.
Personally, I could never do paleo....I like my whole grains and ancient grains too much...and while they didn't exist in caveman days, they have been around a far cry longer than 100 years and have many health benefits. I also like a bit of dairy now and then..not often, but every once in awhile.
Personally, the Mediterranean lifestyle is more to my liking...heavy on the veg, fruit, lean proteins...some whole grains...EZ on the red meat and minimal dairy. It works for me and I enjoy what I eat...my blood work has done about 180* from where it was 6 months ago. Conversely, Paleo works very well for my brother-in-law who has had some of the same issues as I have. We can actually sit down and talk about other things though and don't get all up in each other's face about who's lifestyle is superior or if he's going to hell or I am.
Like I said...evangelicals of anything are just annoying.
Sharing my own personal experiences should not get anyone "riled up". I cured all of the illnesses that I mentioned, except cancer. Cancer runs in my family, so that was probably just a matter of time as well. However, there is research to show that cancer can be "starved" by low carb/sugar diet and that's often what comes naturally with Paleo/Primal. So that's not my personal experience but there is research to support it and I do personally know people that have cured cancer with diet.
No one is telling you to eat differently than you do. But the OP obviously has a personal issue with what other people choose to do. If I started a similar post against veganism etc, I would probably get booted off MFP. Why the double standard?
So, do you avoid red meat because you were told it is "bad"? Ever looked into that issue in detail? What about fructose?0 -
Hey bro-bros, Capt Paleo of the Paleo brigade here. Let's deescalate this whine-fest and all agree that clean eating is WHERE IT'S AT!!! Colors seem brighter, air smells fresher, and priapism lasts longer. You bros need to chill out with a cool stick of celery or some nice squash with a spring water chaser, nom up on some rocky mountain oysters, and just RELAX!
With love,
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My name is Natalee and I am an unclean eater. I bet I can beat you all in a 5k too! And I ate twinkies yesterday... hahaha! For all you people bashing cupcakes!
you're awesome. :drinker:
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Don't forget to buy your paleo approved protein powder(processed junk food?) and slather your wings in paleo BBQ sauce just like they did in the Paleo epoch.
I believe this is more commonly known as "faileo". And yeah, the availability of paleo "junk food" has really increased lately...which tells me that the whole paleo thing is really getting some traction.
(Or at least that's what I remember from 2012 when I did a full year of strict paleo. I have since been kicked out of the tribe when I started eating grains and dairy again in 2013.)0 -
Hey bro-bros, Capt Paleo of the Paleo brigade here. Let's deescalate this whine-fest and all agree that clean eating is WHERE IT'S AT!!! Colors seem brighter, air smells fresher, and priapism lasts longer. You bros need to chill out with a cool stick of celery or some nice squash with a spring water chaser, nom up on some rocky mountain oysters, and just RELAX!
With love,
Burt
All of those things sound delish and I would be glad to partake. As long as you don't make a peep, when I half an hour later eat a cupcake because I had the urge and it fit my macros. If you and husband can do that we can all live happily ever after. Amen.0 -
I'm in the crazy cat lady cult. It's really fun and we just talk about cats and dress them up
That is one chunk of a cat! And there so needs to be a crazy cat lady group on here! Maybe there is... I'm looking.
Are the cats in the cat cult paleo?0 -
There are no words for how amazing this whole thread is.
More pictures of ponies is all it needs.
Agreed
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I do eat mostly clean, but I also follow the advice of Dean Ornish, who recommends a lot of whole grain products and even high processed vegan meat substitutes, so I'm not 100% adherence. I LOVE my whole wheat bread and low carb ketchup, which I don't believe is considered clean.
Since eating cleaner and getting in more fruit and veg (6+ servings a day), I've noticed a great improvement to my body in only two weeks despite eating the same calories, so I wouldn't refer to clean eating as a cult - it's just the maximum nutritional bang for your buck, with the least additives...0 -
I asked this same question and apparently Canada still has them!My name is Natalee and I am an unclean eater. I bet I can beat you all in a 5k too! And I ate twinkies yesterday... hahaha! For all you people bashing cupcakes!
you're awesome. :drinker:
Umm.. where did you find twinkies?? Those things are like Gold since hostess went bankrupt.0 -
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