I believe that IIFYM is a cult
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That makes sense. Sugar, however, is measured in grams... and it's true that at least in processed form, as the food pyramid says, there is no daily 'recommended' amount. Still, I'm curious to see if any IIFYMers set a cap or minimum on their sugar intake as well, or whether they just don't care about it or pay attention at all.
True - and as far as I'm aware, sugar is a component of carbohydrates. Based on my understanding, IIFYM logic would argue that limitless sugar is fine - - as long as you don't exceed your overall carbs.
Don't know what to tell you about the default MFP Macro split except for some reason it is crazy high in carbs by default.
Your understanding is wrong then. Would you say the same thing about a paleo eater that only ate meat and nothing else. Technically that would fit their diet parameters. No that is a ridiculous argument that no one is making.
You misread - - I didn't say 100% carbs, 0% fat, 0% protein. So we agree that what you're attempting to ascribe to me is a ridiculous argument that no one is making.0 -
That makes sense. Sugar, however, is measured in grams... and it's true that at least in processed form, as the food pyramid says, there is no daily 'recommended' amount. Still, I'm curious to see if any IIFYMers set a cap or minimum on their sugar intake as well, or whether they just don't care about it or pay attention at all.
True - and as far as I'm aware, sugar is a component of carbohydrates. Based on my understanding, IIFYM logic would argue that limitless sugar is fine - - as long as you don't exceed your overall carbs.
Don't know what to tell you about the default MFP Macro split except for some reason it is crazy high in carbs by default.
Your understanding is wrong then. Would you say the same thing about a paleo eater that only ate meat and nothing else. Technically that would fit their diet parameters. No that is a ridiculous argument that no one is making.
You misread - - I didn't say 100% carbs, 0% fat, 0% protein. So we agree that what you're attempting to ascribe to me is a ridiculous argument that no one is making.
NONE of these diet methods have a baseline for micros but we all know that a balanced diet is necessary to get vital nutrients. No one argues that you can only eat olive oil or sugar and still be healthy. Just like a paleo/vegan/.... would never argue you could eat one food source either.0 -
We're in a cult? Well then let's play the part:
Who wants some koolaid?:laugh: :laugh: :laugh:
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That makes sense. Sugar, however, is measured in grams... and it's true that at least in processed form, as the food pyramid says, there is no daily 'recommended' amount. Still, I'm curious to see if any IIFYMers set a cap or minimum on their sugar intake as well, or whether they just don't care about it or pay attention at all.
True - and as far as I'm aware, sugar is a component of carbohydrates. Based on my understanding, IIFYM logic would argue that limitless sugar is fine - - as long as you don't exceed your overall carbs.
Don't know what to tell you about the default MFP Macro split except for some reason it is crazy high in carbs by default.
Your understanding is wrong then. Would you say the same thing about a paleo eater that only ate meat and nothing else. Technically that would fit their diet parameters. No that is a ridiculous argument that no one is making.
You misread - - I didn't say 100% carbs, 0% fat, 0% protein. So we agree that what you're attempting to ascribe to me is a ridiculous argument that no one is making.
NONE of these diet methods have a baseline for micros but we all know that a balanced diet is necessary to get vital nutrients. No one argues that you can only eat olive oil or sugar and still be healthy. Just like a paleo/vegan/.... would never argue you could eat one food source either.
You're still arguing a point that no one made.0 -
We're in a cult? Well then let's play the part:
Who wants some koolaid?:laugh: :laugh: :laugh:
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That makes sense. Sugar, however, is measured in grams... and it's true that at least in processed form, as the food pyramid says, there is no daily 'recommended' amount. Still, I'm curious to see if any IIFYMers set a cap or minimum on their sugar intake as well, or whether they just don't care about it or pay attention at all.
True - and as far as I'm aware, sugar is a component of carbohydrates. Based on my understanding, IIFYM logic would argue that limitless sugar is fine - - as long as you don't exceed your overall carbs.
Don't know what to tell you about the default MFP Macro split except for some reason it is crazy high in carbs by default.
Yeah, I just adjusted my ratios and my carbs plummeted and protein skyrocketed. Looks like I'm gonna have to wrap my head around eating more meat.
I thought sugar turned INTO carbs, but perhaps my naivete is showing. In any case it makes sense that that would fall under the carb category... still though, if you cut out all grains that leaves a lot of room for sugar!
it doesn't have to be more meat. beans, yogurt, dairy, nuts all have protein. now you'll also see why so many people turn to protein supplement shakes, especially when building muscle.0 -
Don't know what IIFYM is, but I totally read the letters to the beat of "Bad Romance". So what is it anyway?
Now I'm doing that, thank you!0 -
We're in a cult? Well then let's play the part:
Who wants some koolaid?:laugh: :laugh: :laugh:
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niner, what's in your koolaid?0 -
The oldest living IIFYM'er is 89, the oldest living clean eater is 91, so lets wait for the verdict, shall we?
And the oldest living "I'm eating all the pies I want" eater is 102. I know her. Might be a lie as I expect there are people older than that who eat what the hell they want. Actually, in the nursing home I volunteer at, they're all between 80 and 102 and don't eat healthily. Salt? Poured on like gravy! :noway:0 -
it doesn't have to be more meat. beans, yogurt, dairy, nuts all have protein. now you'll also see why so many people turn to protein supplement shakes, especially when building muscle.
And eggs! I nommed an absurd quantity of eggs for breakfast (but I'm trying to build muscle.) Bread has protein too believe it or not. I forget which the brands were but for a time I was eating hotdogs with less protein than the buns they were in. Sorta scary when you think about it . . .0 -
I don't know if there's a standard definition for IIFYM but I would argue that sodium is not a macronutrient but a micronutrient along the lines of other trace chemicals that the body needs - - anything measured in milligrams probably isn't "Macro". Similarly, with fiber, it isn't really nutritive. It's important but so are oxygen and water.
That makes sense. Sugar, however, is measured in grams... and it's true that at least in processed form, as the food pyramid says, there is no daily 'recommended' amount. Still, I'm curious to see if any IIFYMers set a cap or minimum on their sugar intake as well, or whether they just don't care about it or pay attention at all.
I'm an IIFYMer that largely follows a Mediterranean inspired dietary lifestyle in combination with a zone diet (40c/30p/30hf). I am always over on sugar because fruit and veg make up the bulk of my carbs, with some whole grains and the occasional ginger snap or something.
I eat roughly 3-4 servings of fruit per day and 5-6 servings of veg...lots of sugar, but I'm within my 40% carb macro so no biggie.0 -
Aspartame.:laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :laugh:We're in a cult? Well then let's play the part:
Who wants some koolaid?:laugh: :laugh: :laugh:
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niner, what's in your koolaid?
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I'm an IIFYMer that largely follows a Mediterranean inspired dietary lifestyle in combination with a zone diet (40c/30p/30hf).
This sounds very zen. Good for you.0 -
Aspartame.:laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :laugh:We're in a cult? Well then let's play the part:
Who wants some koolaid?:laugh: :laugh: :laugh:
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niner, what's in your koolaid?
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I was waiting for that! lollllllzzzzzz0 -
I've been laughing at this for about 5 minutes, what was this topic again?
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it doesn't have to be more meat. beans, yogurt, dairy, nuts all have protein. now you'll also see why so many people turn to protein supplement shakes, especially when building muscle.
And eggs! I nommed an absurd quantity of eggs for breakfast (but I'm trying to build muscle.) Bread has protein too believe it or not. I forget which the brands were but for a time I was eating hotdogs with less protein than the buns they were in. Sorta scary when you think about it . . .
Haha! Yeah, the thing is, I actually don't eat meat every day, or even every other day. Or bread for that matter. I'm all into yogurt (and other dairy), nuts, and eggs, though I suppose I should be eating more of them. I'm clicking back through my diary now and seeing many more red numbers
if I had known that the MFP suggested carbs were too high I'd have changed them months ago! I'm certain now that that's why I haven't been seeing the scale go down as quickly as I'd hoped. Oh well, now I know. 0 -
I don't know if there's a standard definition for IIFYM but I would argue that sodium is not a macronutrient but a micronutrient along the lines of other trace chemicals that the body needs - - anything measured in milligrams probably isn't "Macro". Similarly, with fiber, it isn't really nutritive. It's important but so are oxygen and water.
That makes sense. Sugar, however, is measured in grams... and it's true that at least in processed form, as the food pyramid says, there is no daily 'recommended' amount. Still, I'm curious to see if any IIFYMers set a cap or minimum on their sugar intake as well, or whether they just don't care about it or pay attention at all.
I'm an IIFYMer that largely follows a Mediterranean inspired dietary lifestyle in combination with a zone diet (40c/30p/30hf). I am always over on sugar because fruit and veg make up the bulk of my carbs, with some whole grains and the occasional ginger snap or something.
I eat roughly 3-4 servings of fruit per day and 5-6 servings of veg...lots of sugar, but I'm within my 40% carb macro so no biggie.
Sounds good to me! I'm going to be creeping your diary for meal inspiration. Don't mind me...0 -
Aspartame.:laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :laugh:We're in a cult? Well then let's play the part:
Who wants some koolaid?:laugh: :laugh: :laugh:
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niner, what's in your koolaid?
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be careful using the word "aspartame" or you'll wake up Mr. Murray and I'll have to battle him here and ratskep. shhhhhh......0 -
I'm ready!!!! Just tied 2 Ball Park franks together with a some sugar free chewed gum. Hot dog nun chucks.
Aspartame.:laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :laugh:We're in a cult? Well then let's play the part:
Who wants some koolaid?:laugh: :laugh: :laugh:
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niner, what's in your koolaid?
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be careful using the word "aspartame" or you'll wake up Mr. Murray and I'll have to battle him here and ratskep. shhhhhh......
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I'm ready!!!! Just tied 2 Ball Park franks together with a some sugar free chewed gum. Hot dog nun chucks.
Aspartame.:laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :laugh:We're in a cult? Well then let's play the part:
Who wants some koolaid?:laugh: :laugh: :laugh:
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niner, what's in your koolaid?
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be careful using the word "aspartame" or you'll wake up Mr. Murray and I'll have to battle him here and ratskep. shhhhhh......
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I almost snorted my espresso on the nun chucks...
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I think the determining factor in whether or not something is a cult is whether or not its adherents are open to other ideas. Using this as my yard-stick, I'd say the clean-eaters on mfp seem more cult-like than the IIFYM followers. When research is thrown into an argument here the clean response seems more emotional while the IIFYM response seems more rational.0
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I've been laughing at this for about 5 minutes, what was this topic again?
:laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :laugh:
Me too.
i hope that guy survived. i really appreciate his careful 3-point turn under duress too. :bigsmile:
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I'm ready!!!! Just tied 2 Ball Park franks together with a some sugar free chewed gum. Hot dog nun chucks.
Awesome!!!! Come at us Rich!
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hope that guy survived. i really appreciate his careful 3-point turn under duress too. :bigsmile:
I thought the same thing. Only in Japan would someone carefully execute a 3 point turn instead of hopping the curb when a house is bearing down on them.0 -
I've been laughing at this for about 5 minutes, what was this topic again?
:laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :laugh:
Me too.
i hope that guy survived. i really appreciate his careful 3-point turn under duress too. :bigsmile:
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yeah... given the circumstances, and the vehicle he was driving... I'd be all "JUMP THE CURB YOU FOTHERMUCKER!!!"0 -
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I've been laughing at this for about 5 minutes, what was this topic again?
:laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :laugh:
Me too.
i hope that guy survived. i really appreciate his careful 3-point turn under duress too. :bigsmile:
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yeah... given the circumstances, and the vehicle he was driving... I'd be all "JUMP THE CURB YOU FOTHERMUCKER!!!"
not a good time to pop the clutch, that's for sure.
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hope that guy survived. i really appreciate his careful 3-point turn under duress too. :bigsmile:
I thought the same thing. Only in Japan would someone carefully execute a 3 point turn instead of hopping the curb when a house is bearing down on them.
i can guess what single word he was screaming over and over though (at least the Japanese version of course)...
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That makes sense. Sugar, however, is measured in grams... and it's true that at least in processed form, as the food pyramid says, there is no daily 'recommended' amount. Still, I'm curious to see if any IIFYMers set a cap or minimum on their sugar intake as well, or whether they just don't care about it or pay attention at all.
True - and as far as I'm aware, sugar is a component of carbohydrates. Based on my understanding, IIFYM logic would argue that limitless sugar is fine - - as long as you don't exceed your overall carbs.
Don't know what to tell you about the default MFP Macro split except for some reason it is crazy high in carbs by default.
Yeah, I just adjusted my ratios and my carbs plummeted and protein skyrocketed. Looks like I'm gonna have to wrap my head around eating more meat.
I thought sugar turned INTO carbs, but perhaps my naivete is showing. In any case it makes sense that that would fall under the carb category... still though, if you cut out all grains that leaves a lot of room for sugar!
You don't have to eat more meat. I always hit my macro target, usually without protein powder, and I am a vegetarian.0 -
I'm not an iifym cultist. I'm just the kind of iifym follower that keeps to himself unless asked and just laughs at all the clean eaters forcing nothing but chicken and rice down their throats every day while i indulge in delicious pop tarts
I could care less about this thread, but Steve, if that's you in your profile pic then pop tarts do a body good!
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