Why does it still feel like I'm torturing myself?

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  • shosho420
    shosho420 Posts: 220 Member
    To set things straight, foods that are considered "dirty" or otherwise "unhealthy" DO NOT MAKE YOU FAT AND I REPEAT THEY DO NOT MAKE YOU FAT! An excess of calories makes you fat. A maintenance of calories keeps your fat the same and a deficit in calories makes you lose fat. It's common sense. Don't blame the fast food, don't blame the cookies or the sugar. Blame the AMOUNT you eat. It's alright to have food you like. I had a cupcake this morning. The other day I had a ton of biscoff. I eat out every Sunday. I still lose fat, maintain strength and my overall health is a lot better!

    Peace and stay sane.
    Yeah I don't think I want to load up on sugar and carbs for my breakfast. Why not just have a piece of cake for breakfast?
  • Griffin220x
    Griffin220x Posts: 399
    To set things straight, foods that are considered "dirty" or otherwise "unhealthy" DO NOT MAKE YOU FAT AND I REPEAT THEY DO NOT MAKE YOU FAT! An excess of calories makes you fat. A maintenance of calories keeps your fat the same and a deficit in calories makes you lose fat. It's common sense. Don't blame the fast food, don't blame the cookies or the sugar. Blame the AMOUNT you eat. It's alright to have food you like. I had a cupcake this morning. The other day I had a ton of biscoff. I eat out every Sunday. I still lose fat, maintain strength and my overall health is a lot better!

    Peace and stay sane.
    Yeah I don't think I want to load up on sugar and carbs for my breakfast. Why not just have a piece of cake for breakfast?

    Did I say to load up on sugar and carbs? Or do you not have something to comeback with that actually contributes to *a fat loss discussion*? I'll await your counterargument.

    *Edit*
  • DatEpicChick
    DatEpicChick Posts: 358 Member
    if you really feel tortured, you can give in to LITTLE amounts. If you reallllllllyyyyy love (ME!) oreos. I put them outside in the garage (with all the other stuff I LOVE) and every now and then i will have 2 (140 calories). and it gets me through. Losing weight isnt about hating every second of it, because if it is like that, as soon as you hit your goal, you will just be glad it is over and then you will go back to eating like poo. its about moderation, changing your life for the better, AND ENJOYING EVERY MINUTE! =]
  • cosnet
    cosnet Posts: 10 Member
    my problem is sugar. sugar is so dang good i want to eat it, but the more sugar i eat the less full i feel and the more sugar i want which is a slippery slope. and the way i feel i can't just have a little bit of sugar and be done with it. when i eat sugar i want to eat a ton of sugar. and that just isn't healthy.



    I have to agree with that - its almost like being an alcoholic - can't just have one - I'm good when I don't eat it but just that one cookie or one piece of chocolate and I'm slidiing down fast.
  • Griffin220x
    Griffin220x Posts: 399
    To set things straight, foods that are considered "dirty" or otherwise "unhealthy" DO NOT MAKE YOU FAT AND I REPEAT THEY DO NOT MAKE YOU FAT! An excess of calories makes you fat. A maintenance of calories keeps your fat the same and a deficit in calories makes you lose fat. It's common sense. Don't blame the fast food, don't blame the cookies or the sugar. Blame the AMOUNT you eat. It's alright to have food you like. I had a cupcake this morning. The other day I had a ton of biscoff. I eat out every Sunday. I still lose fat, maintain strength and my overall health is a lot better!

    Peace and stay sane.
    Why not just have a piece of cake for breakfast?

    I sense your sarcasm. Because I baked cupcakes. Not cake. Any other irrelevant questions?
  • ILiftHeavyAcrylics
    ILiftHeavyAcrylics Posts: 27,732 Member
    1. This is not my topic
    2. I eat whatever I want
    3. I just don't buy whatever I want
    4.I have lost 29pounds in 3 months so I am fine.
    5. I eat candy and junk. I just don't load my cabinets with it

    Just for the record I was not suggesting that the OP "load up their cabinets with junk." I said 20%, which is 300 calories for me. Usually that means 3 mini york peppermint patties and one serving of rice pudding. The rest of my day is full of protein and veggies. My refrigerator and cabinets are full of healthy food. I just don't think there's anything wrong with having a small amount of treat foods as well.

    As for why I was overweight it was just a matter of laziness and not being honest with myself about how many calories I was eating. I never felt out of control of my eating, I just didn't want to put in the effort to make sure I wasn't eating more than the recommended serving size.
  • Just remember...what might work for one person, might not work for another....If you feel you will not be able to productively continue down the road you are currently on, try to make small changes that may help you along your journey.

    Eventually you will find what works best for YOU :)
  • lizziebeth1028
    lizziebeth1028 Posts: 3,602 Member
    Blah.

    I'm successfully losing weight since I started on here, I'm down 22 lbs as of this morning, so what I'm doing appears to be working. My main issue is that even after a month or two of eating healthy, I still feel like I'm torturing myself (not allowing myself to eat foods I'm craving, sticking strictly to my diet, etc). When should I expect to feel like a lifestyle change has taken place and that this is actually sustainable?

    "Fitness people" are always saying "eventually your body will get used to it and you'll WANT to eat this way after a while, you'll be happy with it." I'm worried that when I get down to my goal either later this year or next year, that I'll become complacent and put the weight back on, because the burden of "you dont have to eat this way anymore" will be gone.

    Anybody else gone through that?

    Your diary is closed so I'm just guessing - Maybe you're being too strict. If you limit yourself to only 'diet' foods you'll burn out quickly. Practice moderation, portion size, and VARIETY. If eating McDonalds once a week makes you happy...do it and do it guilt free! Just log everything and adjust your other meals so the calories all fit. It's also ok to take a day every once in awhile to eat at maintenance calories. Eat foods you love!!!
  • Griffin220x
    Griffin220x Posts: 399
    To set things straight, foods that are considered "dirty" or otherwise "unhealthy" DO NOT MAKE YOU FAT AND I REPEAT THEY DO NOT MAKE YOU FAT! An excess of calories makes you fat. A maintenance of calories keeps your fat the same and a deficit in calories makes you lose fat. It's common sense. Don't blame the fast food, don't blame the cookies or the sugar. Blame the AMOUNT you eat. It's alright to have food you like. I had a cupcake this morning. The other day I had a ton of biscoff. I eat out every Sunday. I still lose fat, maintain strength and my overall health is a lot better!

    Peace and stay sane.
    Why not just have a piece of cake for breakfast?

    I sense your sarcasm. Because I baked cupcakes. Not cake. Any other irrelevant questions?

    What kind did you bake? Can i get some, i want some for breakfast.

    Vanilla with white frosting and I enjoyed every bit of it! I had sausage and eggs too but apparently I'm suggesting to everyone that they should just load up on sugar for breakfast lmao!
  • jfrankic
    jfrankic Posts: 747 Member
    If you are feeling like you are torturing yourself then you have to ask your self if it is really a long term solution? Sooner or later there's a good chance you'll end up back where you started because you slipped back into old habits.

    How about trying the TDEE -20% method combined with an IIFYM (if it fits your macros) approach. This should give you enough food to feel satisfied and you can still eat your favourite foods so you will not feel you are 'torturing' yourself, just work them into your calorie allowance.

    ^^ This. I eat pizza at least once a week (not just one slice.....1/2 large pizza), pancakes, bacon and all kinds of other good stuff. Torture will not create lifelong success. Make healthy, yummy choices. Eat enough and fit your favorite foods in your calories and macros. Eat TDEE-20% and you should feel much more satisfied.
  • bcattoes
    bcattoes Posts: 17,299 Member
    When I eat healthy like salads and stuff its not very filling honestly. If I ate all the food I craved 24/7 I would 5k calories a day. When I first started eating healthy the first few weeks I ate tones of fruits, vegetables, ect. I ate tones of whole foods and I was ALWAYS starving. Everyone that claims its not torture has just convinced themselves of that in the long run, trust me no one WANTS to be sucking down a wheat grass smoothie going jogging at 5am, but you do what yo gotta do.

    I have never sucked down a wheat grass smoothie or went jogging at 5 am. Both of those sound like torture to me.

    I don't eat tons of food of any type but I eat a lot of vegetables. I like vegetables. I have a hard time believing people who claim not to like vegetables. I always think they just need me to come show them how to properly prepare them. My vegetables are the bomb!
  • shosho420
    shosho420 Posts: 220 Member
    To set things straight, foods that are considered "dirty" or otherwise "unhealthy" DO NOT MAKE YOU FAT AND I REPEAT THEY DO NOT MAKE YOU FAT! An excess of calories makes you fat. A maintenance of calories keeps your fat the same and a deficit in calories makes you lose fat. It's common sense. Don't blame the fast food, don't blame the cookies or the sugar. Blame the AMOUNT you eat. It's alright to have food you like. I had a cupcake this morning. The other day I had a ton of biscoff. I eat out every Sunday. I still lose fat, maintain strength and my overall health is a lot better!

    Peace and stay sane.
    Why not just have a piece of cake for breakfast?

    I sense your sarcasm. Because I baked cupcakes. Not cake. Any other irrelevant questions?

    What kind did you bake? Can i get some, i want some for breakfast.
    Yes can I please have a cupcake slathered in frosting for breakfast? Come on guise it will really help my weight loss goals...
    Or how about half a pizza? hahahahaha omg my side hurts.
  • shosho420
    shosho420 Posts: 220 Member
    When I eat healthy like salads and stuff its not very filling honestly. If I ate all the food I craved 24/7 I would 5k calories a day. When I first started eating healthy the first few weeks I ate tones of fruits, vegetables, ect. I ate tones of whole foods and I was ALWAYS starving. Everyone that claims its not torture has just convinced themselves of that in the long run, trust me no one WANTS to be sucking down a wheat grass smoothie going jogging at 5am, but you do what yo gotta do.

    I have never sucked down a wheat grass smoothie or went jogging at 5 am. Both of those sound like torture to me.

    I don't eat tons of food of any type but I eat a lot of vegetables. I like vegetables. I have a hard time believing people who claim not to like vegetables. I always think they just need me to come show them how to properly prepare them. My vegetables are the bomb!
    Yeah I love cooking me some vegetables smothered in butter.
  • bcattoes
    bcattoes Posts: 17,299 Member
    To set things straight, foods that are considered "dirty" or otherwise "unhealthy" DO NOT MAKE YOU FAT AND I REPEAT THEY DO NOT MAKE YOU FAT! An excess of calories makes you fat. A maintenance of calories keeps your fat the same and a deficit in calories makes you lose fat. It's common sense. Don't blame the fast food, don't blame the cookies or the sugar. Blame the AMOUNT you eat. It's alright to have food you like. I had a cupcake this morning. The other day I had a ton of biscoff. I eat out every Sunday. I still lose fat, maintain strength and my overall health is a lot better!

    Peace and stay sane.
    Why not just have a piece of cake for breakfast?

    I sense your sarcasm. Because I baked cupcakes. Not cake. Any other irrelevant questions?

    What kind did you bake? Can i get some, i want some for breakfast.
    Yes can I please have a cupcake slathered in frosting for breakfast? Come on guise it will really help my weight loss goals...
    Or how about half a pizza? hahahahaha omg my side hurts.

    I had a cinnamon roll slathered in frosting for breakfast this morning. I don’t do that every day, though.
  • bcattoes
    bcattoes Posts: 17,299 Member
    When I eat healthy like salads and stuff its not very filling honestly. If I ate all the food I craved 24/7 I would 5k calories a day. When I first started eating healthy the first few weeks I ate tones of fruits, vegetables, ect. I ate tones of whole foods and I was ALWAYS starving. Everyone that claims its not torture has just convinced themselves of that in the long run, trust me no one WANTS to be sucking down a wheat grass smoothie going jogging at 5am, but you do what yo gotta do.

    I have never sucked down a wheat grass smoothie or went jogging at 5 am. Both of those sound like torture to me.

    I don't eat tons of food of any type but I eat a lot of vegetables. I like vegetables. I have a hard time believing people who claim not to like vegetables. I always think they just need me to come show them how to properly prepare them. My vegetables are the bomb!
    Yeah I love cooking me some vegetables smothered in butter.

    Butter is not necessary.
  • msleanlegs
    msleanlegs Posts: 188 Member
    I had a back injury, was bed ridden, and ate nothing but junk food for a month. The purpose was to show all my MFP friends it's all about calories.

    That month i lost 10lbs.

    have you read the twinkie diet?
    http://www.cnn.com/2010/HEALTH/11/08/twinkie.diet.professor/index.html

    Congrats on your astounding weight loss! I've finally gotten it through my thick head the past couple months that calories are numero uno for losing weight. Makes dieting a helluva lot easier.
  • eileen0515
    eileen0515 Posts: 408 Member
    Sounds like you eating too diety. Learn to cook, and prepare delicious foods. I now crave some of my own dishes. The internet is a wonderful tool for that. skinnytaste is just one resource.
  • shosho420
    shosho420 Posts: 220 Member
    When I eat healthy like salads and stuff its not very filling honestly. If I ate all the food I craved 24/7 I would 5k calories a day. When I first started eating healthy the first few weeks I ate tones of fruits, vegetables, ect. I ate tones of whole foods and I was ALWAYS starving. Everyone that claims its not torture has just convinced themselves of that in the long run, trust me no one WANTS to be sucking down a wheat grass smoothie going jogging at 5am, but you do what yo gotta do.

    I have never sucked down a wheat grass smoothie or went jogging at 5 am. Both of those sound like torture to me.

    I don't eat tons of food of any type but I eat a lot of vegetables. I like vegetables. I have a hard time believing people who claim not to like vegetables. I always think they just need me to come show them how to properly prepare them. My vegetables are the bomb!
    Yeah I love cooking me some vegetables smothered in butter.

    Butter is not necessary.
    I know that.
  • wcso911mn
    wcso911mn Posts: 68 Member
    Stop calling it a diet! To me, the word diet means to starve yourself or deprive yourself. My husband told me I need to start looking at food differently & in a whole new light. I still allow myself to eat burgers, chips, chocolate, etc - but I do it in moderation & I make sure I can fit it in my daily diary. Sure, there may be days that I go over. But I've been doing this since the beginning of December in 2012 & I've come to realize that I can't beat myself up over going over my daily caloric limit. So far, I've lost 18.5 pounds and it's a slow, steady pace. But it fits me perfectly. It's all in how you look at food and think about food. All food is calories and carbs to me now. I used to deprive myself of my favorite foods and that's why every "diet" I attempted in the past failed. This is the first time that a plan has worked and I've stuck to it for so long. Good luck! :smile:
  • Iron_Feline
    Iron_Feline Posts: 10,750 Member
    To set things straight, foods that are considered "dirty" or otherwise "unhealthy" DO NOT MAKE YOU FAT AND I REPEAT THEY DO NOT MAKE YOU FAT! An excess of calories makes you fat. A maintenance of calories keeps your fat the same and a deficit in calories makes you lose fat. It's common sense. Don't blame the fast food, don't blame the cookies or the sugar. Blame the AMOUNT you eat. It's alright to have food you like. I had a cupcake this morning. The other day I had a ton of biscoff. I eat out every Sunday. I still lose fat, maintain strength and my overall health is a lot better!

    Peace and stay sane.
    Why not just have a piece of cake for breakfast?

    I sense your sarcasm. Because I baked cupcakes. Not cake. Any other irrelevant questions?

    What kind did you bake? Can i get some, i want some for breakfast.
    Yes can I please have a cupcake slathered in frosting for breakfast? Come on guise it will really help my weight loss goals...
    Or how about half a pizza? hahahahaha omg my side hurts.

    Since, as you have stated several times, this isn't your thread you might want to leave and stop commenting on everyone who you disagree with. Maybe go grab a cupcake, some sugar might sweeten you up. :wink:

    OP: I agree with the majority that it shouldn't be torture, it should be a sustainable lifestyle change. I do tdee - 20% with IIFYM I still drink wine and cider and have 'bad' foods and I find this much easier. I'm losing pounds and inches without giving up what I love. You need to find what works for you in the long run, and it doesn't sound like what you're doing now is.
    Good luck :drinker:
  • elyelyse
    elyelyse Posts: 1,454 Member
    Sure I could eat 1 cookie but I see no point in it. We all know the sugar makes you want more, so this whole "having one thing" I mean good for you but thats not the norm.

    What's the point of one cookie? its DELICIOUS!!! the second one is almost as good, but by the 5th one, usually, we aren't tasting it anymore we are just mindlessly eating. So, the point of one cookie? To have a yummy treat that fits into my goals for the day. I fully understand that for some people, the 1 cookie serves no purpose other than to be the trigger for a full on binge, however, MANY of us have learned how to enjoy the foods we love in moderation.

    Having said that, yeah sometimes i love to eat all the cookies, or the whole pizza.. and sometimes i do! Once every week or two, I allow myself to go crazy on one thing that i love to eat a lot of. I plan for it, think about what I've been craving the most, and I have at it! (but now its a small plain pizza, not a large with several toppings and a 2 liter of coke!) I may go over my calories for the day, but not past maintenance, and I make it balance out in my end-of-the-week average.

    Who among us can abstain from all the things we love forever?! none of us. There is no way I am going to resist eating a full pint of ice cream over 2 days, for the rest of my life. It's just not possible, and I also don't want to hate myself every time I indulge. By acknowledging this, and allowing myself to sometimes decide to have those things, *I* am in control.
  • Mokey41
    Mokey41 Posts: 5,769 Member
    To set things straight, foods that are considered "dirty" or otherwise "unhealthy" DO NOT MAKE YOU FAT AND I REPEAT THEY DO NOT MAKE YOU FAT! An excess of calories makes you fat. A maintenance of calories keeps your fat the same and a deficit in calories makes you lose fat. It's common sense. Don't blame the fast food, don't blame the cookies or the sugar. Blame the AMOUNT you eat. It's alright to have food you like. I had a cupcake this morning. The other day I had a ton of biscoff. I eat out every Sunday. I still lose fat, maintain strength and my overall health is a lot better!

    Peace and stay sane.
    Yeah I don't think I want to load up on sugar and carbs for my breakfast. Why not just have a piece of cake for breakfast?

    Sometimes I do. If you leave chocolate cake on my counter, it's going to be chocolate cake for breakfast. Or it might be pizza for breakfast or I hear cheese poppers are pretty good. As long as it fits my budget, I really don't care if it comes from the sugar and fat food groups.
  • Griffin220x
    Griffin220x Posts: 399
    To set things straight, foods that are considered "dirty" or otherwise "unhealthy" DO NOT MAKE YOU FAT AND I REPEAT THEY DO NOT MAKE YOU FAT! An excess of calories makes you fat. A maintenance of calories keeps your fat the same and a deficit in calories makes you lose fat. It's common sense. Don't blame the fast food, don't blame the cookies or the sugar. Blame the AMOUNT you eat. It's alright to have food you like. I had a cupcake this morning. The other day I had a ton of biscoff. I eat out every Sunday. I still lose fat, maintain strength and my overall health is a lot better!

    Peace and stay sane.
    Why not just have a piece of cake for breakfast?

    I sense your sarcasm. Because I baked cupcakes. Not cake. Any other irrelevant questions?

    What kind did you bake? Can i get some, i want some for breakfast.
    Yes can I please have a cupcake slathered in frosting for breakfast? Come on guise it will really help my weight loss goals...
    Or how about half a pizza? hahahahaha omg my side hurts.

    Yes you may have one I made plenty. This is really pathetic on your part. I see that you disagree with my post because it seems to go against the grain or what you were told is true, sorry if I destroyed your "clean eating" paradigm. You should really have some sweets once in while because you appear to be a very sour and grumpy person.

    To each his own I suppose....

    I had half a pizza last week actually. And you know what it really is helping with my weight loss goals.

    Look at my profile and view pic, I'm shredded. I'm 9-10% bodyfat and still dropping. GLHF God Bless.
  • ILiftHeavyAcrylics
    ILiftHeavyAcrylics Posts: 27,732 Member

    Sometimes I do. If you leave chocolate cake on my counter, it's going to be chocolate cake for breakfast. Or it might be pizza for breakfast or I hear cheese poppers are pretty good. As long as it fits my budget, I really don't care if it comes from the sugar and fat food groups.

    Cake for breakfast is a rare treat but one that I really enjoy when it happens. For some reason it seems to taste better first thing in the a.m.
  • Griffin220x
    Griffin220x Posts: 399
    To set things straight, foods that are considered "dirty" or otherwise "unhealthy" DO NOT MAKE YOU FAT AND I REPEAT THEY DO NOT MAKE YOU FAT! An excess of calories makes you fat. A maintenance of calories keeps your fat the same and a deficit in calories makes you lose fat. It's common sense. Don't blame the fast food, don't blame the cookies or the sugar. Blame the AMOUNT you eat. It's alright to have food you like. I had a cupcake this morning. The other day I had a ton of biscoff. I eat out every Sunday. I still lose fat, maintain strength and my overall health is a lot better!

    Peace and stay sane.
    Why not just have a piece of cake for breakfast?

    I sense your sarcasm. Because I baked cupcakes. Not cake. Any other irrelevant questions?

    What kind did you bake? Can i get some, i want some for breakfast.

    Vanilla with white frosting and I enjoyed every bit of it! I had sausage and eggs too but apparently I'm suggesting to everyone that they should just load up on sugar for breakfast lmao!
    ha, i don't like vanilla. If it was chocolate I'd eat it. Maybe a waffle, with syrup, and a donut with chocolate milk on the side.

    That's a bummer, chocolate would be my first choice but my girlfriend likes vanilla so I went that route.

    http://www.myfitnesspal.com/topics/show/933489-greek-yogurt-pancakes-anyone

    btw this is my pancake recipe since you mentioned waffles. You could use the same batter in a waffle iron and just tweak it a bit. Enjoy!!!
  • LorinaLynn
    LorinaLynn Posts: 13,247 Member
    I also regularly eat half a pizza.

    Most of my dinners are between 800-1200 calories anyway, so why not have something I really enjoy?

    I sometimes have a hard time reaching my fat goals, so cooking with a little butter helps me reach that goal. As does drinking chocolate milk.

    I ate pretty much the same while I was losing, and I've been maintaining for almost two years now, so I guess I'm doing something right.
  • magerum
    magerum Posts: 12,589 Member
    To set things straight, foods that are considered "dirty" or otherwise "unhealthy" DO NOT MAKE YOU FAT AND I REPEAT THEY DO NOT MAKE YOU FAT! An excess of calories makes you fat. A maintenance of calories keeps your fat the same and a deficit in calories makes you lose fat. It's common sense. Don't blame the fast food, don't blame the cookies or the sugar. Blame the AMOUNT you eat. It's alright to have food you like. I had a cupcake this morning. The other day I had a ton of biscoff. I eat out every Sunday. I still lose fat, maintain strength and my overall health is a lot better!

    Peace and stay sane.
    Why not just have a piece of cake for breakfast?

    I sense your sarcasm. Because I baked cupcakes. Not cake. Any other irrelevant questions?

    What kind did you bake? Can i get some, i want some for breakfast.
    Yes can I please have a cupcake slathered in frosting for breakfast? Come on guise it will really help my weight loss goals...
    Or how about half a pizza? hahahahaha omg my side hurts.

    I ate 4,000 calories of pizza on Sunday. Why? Because I wanted to. How am I able to do this any maintain my weight goals? Because math.

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  • Griffin220x
    Griffin220x Posts: 399
    I also regularly eat half a pizza.

    Most of my dinners are between 800-1200 calories anyway, so why not have something I really enjoy?

    I sometimes have a hard time reaching my fat goals, so cooking with a little butter helps me reach that goal. As does drinking chocolate milk.

    I ate pretty much the same while I was losing, and I've been maintaining for almost two years now, so I guess I'm doing something right.

    Amen^^^
  • ninerbuff
    ninerbuff Posts: 48,990 Member
    Blah.

    I'm successfully losing weight since I started on here, I'm down 22 lbs as of this morning, so what I'm doing appears to be working. My main issue is that even after a month or two of eating healthy, I still feel like I'm torturing myself (not allowing myself to eat foods I'm craving, sticking strictly to my diet, etc). When should I expect to feel like a lifestyle change has taken place and that this is actually sustainable?

    "Fitness people" are always saying "eventually your body will get used to it and you'll WANT to eat this way after a while, you'll be happy with it." I'm worried that when I get down to my goal either later this year or next year, that I'll become complacent and put the weight back on, because the burden of "you dont have to eat this way anymore" will be gone.

    Anybody else gone through that?
    Not this fitness person. You're exactly the reason why I employ a "no diet" approach. IF you are meeting your correct macro/micro nutrients daily, exercising and staying within a calorie range, and still able to enjoy foods you like, THEN DO IT. I personally eat junk food at least once a week (this week I've had KFC and Taco Bell) but still met calorie goals (for weight loss since I'm cutting) and macro/micro nutrient profile.
    The fitness and diet industry aren't stupid. Repeat business is figured into their income. Make a program that's hard to stick to but works with weight loss, chances are they'll be back again when they **** up.

    A.C.E. Certified Personal/Group FitnessTrainer
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  • LiftAllThePizzas
    LiftAllThePizzas Posts: 17,857 Member
    I think most fat people got into these situations because of "control" problems. So its very counter productive to still eat those things.
    I think it is counterproductive to avoid learning a basic life skill as important as moderation. It is a learned skill, it is not something a person decides to have one moment and then magically has for the rest of their life. Just like all learning experiences, people are going to fail at it before they become good at it. But those who make the effort to learn it get to live like grownups and enjoy their lives, instead of living in deprivation and fear.