The obvious winner is Toaster Strudel, 9 pages to get to this? Wow..Its not even a ?
I never SAID it was a problem - I said that Pop-Tarts and Toaster Strudel are garbage, nothing but a sugar and fat delivery system. If that's what you want to eat, more power to you. But your fitness is like The Slight Edge - a total of a lot of seemingly small decisions that have no apparent impact at the moment you make them but their cumulative effect over time determines whether you succeed or fail. So if you want to eat a Pop Tart, go ahead - but I'd never pretend it was "food" that was going past my lips, or that it in any way is going to contribute to my well-being and in fact is a setback I could have avoided. A setback? 200 calories is a setback? Really? If you truly believe that then I'd be among those labeling you as food phobic. Go check out the diary of the poster who called me "orthorexic". It's nothing but setbacks - which is her choice, but I don't need to be called names by a member whose "logging" is more horror story than chronicle of progress.
I never SAID it was a problem - I said that Pop-Tarts and Toaster Strudel are garbage, nothing but a sugar and fat delivery system. If that's what you want to eat, more power to you. But your fitness is like The Slight Edge - a total of a lot of seemingly small decisions that have no apparent impact at the moment you make them but their cumulative effect over time determines whether you succeed or fail. So if you want to eat a Pop Tart, go ahead - but I'd never pretend it was "food" that was going past my lips, or that it in any way is going to contribute to my well-being and in fact is a setback I could have avoided. A setback? 200 calories is a setback? Really? If you truly believe that then I'd be among those labeling you as food phobic.
I never SAID it was a problem - I said that Pop-Tarts and Toaster Strudel are garbage, nothing but a sugar and fat delivery system. If that's what you want to eat, more power to you. But your fitness is like The Slight Edge - a total of a lot of seemingly small decisions that have no apparent impact at the moment you make them but their cumulative effect over time determines whether you succeed or fail. So if you want to eat a Pop Tart, go ahead - but I'd never pretend it was "food" that was going past my lips, or that it in any way is going to contribute to my well-being and in fact is a setback I could have avoided.
Can I suggest baklava? Basically the otherside of the world's version of a strudel.
Second, I've found by a quick perusal of the responses to my post that most ( most , but not all ) of the greatest defenders of garbage like Pop Tarts are those who are farthest from reaching their goal. 1. I don't find that to be true at all but it's an easy statement to throw out there without substantiating, so I can see why you'd try it. Because the most vociferous Pop Tart defenders here (there are two, one of whom called me "orthorexic" and the other who said I was a member of cult and "food phobic", and they know who they are - you can read back if you're curious) are both in the camp of being far from goal. If you want some substantiation, dig a little. But if they have hit their minimum protein and fat targets, and still have some calories left to have a pop-tart, why is it a problem? People aren't eating 100% pop-tarts, they are eating pop-tarts as part of an otherwise healthy diet. Just like you did with your dessert today. THAT isn't the problem. What you suggested is totally fine. The problem is those same people demeaning folks who choose to eat "clean", while wearing a pop tart as a badge of honor. I think "wearing a pop-tart as a badge of honor" is commendable in a world where people vilify food and become absolutely obsessed with "eating clean" at the expense of their mental/emotional well being. So I say--wearing the badge of honor beats the heck out of fearing ANY food.
Second, I've found by a quick perusal of the responses to my post that most ( most , but not all ) of the greatest defenders of garbage like Pop Tarts are those who are farthest from reaching their goal. 1. I don't find that to be true at all but it's an easy statement to throw out there without substantiating, so I can see why you'd try it. Because the most vociferous Pop Tart defenders here (there are two, one of whom called me "orthorexic" and the other who said I was a member of cult and "food phobic", and they know who they are - you can read back if you're curious) are both in the camp of being far from goal. If you want some substantiation, dig a little. But if they have hit their minimum protein and fat targets, and still have some calories left to have a pop-tart, why is it a problem? People aren't eating 100% pop-tarts, they are eating pop-tarts as part of an otherwise healthy diet. Just like you did with your dessert today. THAT isn't the problem. What you suggested is totally fine. The problem is those same people demeaning folks who choose to eat "clean", while wearing a pop tart as a badge of honor.
Second, I've found by a quick perusal of the responses to my post that most ( most , but not all ) of the greatest defenders of garbage like Pop Tarts are those who are farthest from reaching their goal. 1. I don't find that to be true at all but it's an easy statement to throw out there without substantiating, so I can see why you'd try it. Because the most vociferous Pop Tart defenders here (there are two, one of whom called me "orthorexic" and the other who said I was a member of cult and "food phobic", and they know who they are - you can read back if you're curious) are both in the camp of being far from goal. If you want some substantiation, dig a little. But if they have hit their minimum protein and fat targets, and still have some calories left to have a pop-tart, why is it a problem? People aren't eating 100% pop-tarts, they are eating pop-tarts as part of an otherwise healthy diet. Just like you did with your dessert today.
Second, I've found by a quick perusal of the responses to my post that most ( most , but not all ) of the greatest defenders of garbage like Pop Tarts are those who are farthest from reaching their goal. 1. I don't find that to be true at all but it's an easy statement to throw out there without substantiating, so I can see why you'd try it. Because the most vociferous Pop Tart defenders here (there are two, one of whom called me "orthorexic" and the other who said I was a member of cult and "food phobic", and they know who they are - you can read back if you're curious) are both in the camp of being far from goal. If you want some substantiation, dig a little.
Second, I've found by a quick perusal of the responses to my post that most ( most , but not all ) of the greatest defenders of garbage like Pop Tarts are those who are farthest from reaching their goal. 1. I don't find that to be true at all but it's an easy statement to throw out there without substantiating, so I can see why you'd try it.
Second, I've found by a quick perusal of the responses to my post that most ( most , but not all ) of the greatest defenders of garbage like Pop Tarts are those who are farthest from reaching their goal.
THAT isn't the problem. What you suggested is totally fine. The problem is those same people demeaning folks who choose to eat "clean", while wearing a pop tart as a badge of honor.
Can I suggest baklava? Basically the otherside of the world's version of a strudel. If I could find a way to make my Baklava low calorie I would be in heaven..I miss it so much..sigh
When I used to eat the crap...AGES ago - Toaster Strudel all the way. Now? Eat neither, go for good WHOLESOME food instead - there's even some that can be done when the power goes out for those of you who think pop tarts a good choice for power outages. Both are full of crap tbh so eat in moderation if you want one...
By my count, Toaster Strudel has won a sweeping victory of deliciousness.Disclaimer: I did not count the votes.
How about this?http://deliciouslyorganic.net/pop-tarts-two-ways-whole-wheat-or-gluten-free/ needs frosting though.
I never SAID it was a problem - I said that Pop-Tarts and Toaster Strudel are garbage, nothing but a sugar and fat delivery system. If that's what you want to eat, more power to you. But your fitness is like The Slight Edge - a total of a lot of seemingly small decisions that have no apparent impact at the moment you make them but their cumulative effect over time determines whether you succeed or fail. So if you want to eat a Pop Tart, go ahead - but I'd never pretend it was "food" that was going past my lips, or that it in any way is going to contribute to my well-being and in fact is a setback I could have avoided. A setback? 200 calories is a setback? Really? If you truly believe that then I'd be among those labeling you as food phobic. Go check out the diary of the poster who called me "orthorexic". It's nothing but setbacks - which is her choice, but I don't need to be called names by a member whose "logging" is more horror story than chronicle of progress. I didn't look at her diary, but I see she has lost 62 pounds.
I would never eat a pop tart for breakfast but I would have them for a snack. I may be sending out the husband out to Big Lots to find some :flowerforyou: . How ever I would never eat toaster strudel. I do love my home made ones.
Good gawd. How the hell did a thread about pop tarts vs toaster strudel become so nasty!?!?!? Very sad.
Good gawd. How the hell did a thread about pop tarts vs toaster strudel become so nasty!?!?!? Very sad. It's because all the "lets make certain food evil people" are jealous that we enjoy tasty tasty crap every now and again. :bigsmile:
Good gawd. How the hell did a thread about pop tarts vs toaster strudel become so nasty!?!?!? Very sad. It's because all the "lets make certain food evil people" are jealous that we enjoy tasty tasty crap every now and again. :bigsmile: Weird... I recall those same people saying they eat ice cream, fudge, etc on occasion Your argument seems invalid...
Good gawd. How the hell did a thread about pop tarts vs toaster strudel become so nasty!?!?!? Very sad. It's because all the "lets make certain food evil people" are jealous that we enjoy tasty tasty crap every now and again. :bigsmile: Weird... I recall those same people saying they eat ice cream, fudge, etc on occasion Your argument seems invalid... I think it's more that the few people arguing refuse to ever agree with one another, but most would agree that treats that fit into their macros and calorie allotment are ok (whether they are poptarts, toaster strudel, or 70% organic dark chocolate).
Good gawd. How the hell did a thread about pop tarts vs toaster strudel become so nasty!?!?!? Very sad. It's because all the "lets make certain food evil people" are jealous that we enjoy tasty tasty crap every now and again. :bigsmile: Weird... I recall those same people saying they eat ice cream, fudge, etc on occasion Your argument seems invalid... I think it's more that the few people arguing refuse to ever agree with one another, but most would agree that treats that fit into their macros and calorie allotment are ok (whether they are poptarts, toaster strudel, or 70% organic dark chocolate). Yep. We do all agree on that point. We simply have different definitions on how much of that calorie allotment they should take up. Many in this thread think it doesnt matter, and well... there are those who disagree with that philosophy.
Good gawd. How the hell did a thread about pop tarts vs toaster strudel become so nasty!?!?!? Very sad. It's because all the "lets make certain food evil people" are jealous that we enjoy tasty tasty crap every now and again. :bigsmile: Weird... I recall those same people saying they eat ice cream, fudge, etc on occasion Your argument seems invalid... I think it's more that the few people arguing refuse to ever agree with one another, but most would agree that treats that fit into their macros and calorie allotment are ok (whether they are poptarts, toaster strudel, or 70% organic dark chocolate). Yep. We do all agree on that point. We simply have different definitions on how much of that calorie allotment they should take up. Many in this thread think it doesnt matter, and well... there are those who disagree with that philosophy. *Personally* I think people with a higher BF% can have more "crap" in their diet than someone at a lower BF% like yourself. The types of food you eat and macros seem to have a much greater impact when you start trying to lose the "the last few pounds" or when trying to find your abs. But, I'm sure there will be a slew of people who disagree with me :laugh:
Good gawd. How the hell did a thread about pop tarts vs toaster strudel become so nasty!?!?!? Very sad. It's because all the "lets make certain food evil people" are jealous that we enjoy tasty tasty crap every now and again. :bigsmile: Weird... I recall those same people saying they eat ice cream, fudge, etc on occasion Your argument seems invalid... I think it's more that the few people arguing refuse to ever agree with one another, but most would agree that treats that fit into their macros and calorie allotment are ok (whether they are poptarts, toaster strudel, or 70% organic dark chocolate). Yep. We do all agree on that point. We simply have different definitions on how much of that calorie allotment they should take up. Many in this thread think it doesnt matter, and well... there are those who disagree with that philosophy. *Personally* I think people with a higher BF% can have more "crap" in their diet than someone at a lower BF% like yourself. The types of food you eat and macros seem to have a much greater impact when you start trying to lose the "the last few pounds" or when trying to find your abs. But, I'm sure there will be a slew of people who disagree with me :laugh: which kind of proves that a calorie isn't a calorie, huh? i tend to agree in the sense that when you're trying to lose 100 pounds, no, it doesn't matter a damn WHAT you eat as long as you're at a deficit - you'll lose weight. when a relatively fit person is trying to lower body fat while maintaining muscle mass, then it absolutely matters what you eat.
But you can still use some of your calories on things like ice-cream, pop tarts and the like and still get abs. Lowering body fat = caloric deficit. Maintaining LBM = enough protein and undertaking a good progressive strength training routine.
Good gawd. How the hell did a thread about pop tarts vs toaster strudel become so nasty!?!?!? Very sad. It's because all the "lets make certain food evil people" are jealous that we enjoy tasty tasty crap every now and again. :bigsmile: Weird... I recall those same people saying they eat ice cream, fudge, etc on occasion Your argument seems invalid... I think it's more that the few people arguing refuse to ever agree with one another, but most would agree that treats that fit into their macros and calorie allotment are ok (whether they are poptarts, toaster strudel, or 70% organic dark chocolate). Yep. We do all agree on that point. We simply have different definitions on how much of that calorie allotment they should take up. Many in this thread think it doesnt matter, and well... there are those who disagree with that philosophy. *Personally* I think people with a higher BF% can have more "crap" in their diet than someone at a lower BF% like yourself. The types of food you eat and macros seem to have a much greater impact when you start trying to lose the "the last few pounds" or when trying to find your abs. But, I'm sure there will be a slew of people who disagree with me :laugh: which kind of proves that a calorie isn't a calorie, huh? i tend to agree in the sense that when you're trying to lose 100 pounds, no, it doesn't matter a damn WHAT you eat as long as you're at a deficit - you'll lose weight. when a relatively fit person is trying to lower body fat while maintaining muscle mass, then it absolutely matters what you eat. But you can still use some of your calories on things like ice-cream, pop tarts and the like and still get abs. Lowering body fat = caloric deficit. Maintaining LBM = enough protein and undertaking a good progressive strength training routine.
But you can still use some of your calories on things like ice-cream, pop tarts and the like and still get abs. Lowering body fat = caloric deficit. Maintaining LBM = enough protein and undertaking a good progressive strength training routine. Think thats his problem, i dont call p90x progressive strength training.
Good gawd. How the hell did a thread about pop tarts vs toaster strudel become so nasty!?!?!? Very sad. It's because all the "lets make certain food evil people" are jealous that we enjoy tasty tasty crap every now and again. :bigsmile: Weird... I recall those same people saying they eat ice cream, fudge, etc on occasion Your argument seems invalid... I think it's more that the few people arguing refuse to ever agree with one another, but most would agree that treats that fit into their macros and calorie allotment are ok (whether they are poptarts, toaster strudel, or 70% organic dark chocolate). Yep. We do all agree on that point. We simply have different definitions on how much of that calorie allotment they should take up. Many in this thread think it doesnt matter, and well... there are those who disagree with that philosophy. *Personally* I think people with a higher BF% can have more "crap" in their diet than someone at a lower BF% like yourself. The types of food you eat and macros seem to have a much greater impact when you start trying to lose the "the last few pounds" or when trying to find your abs. But, I'm sure there will be a slew of people who disagree with me :laugh: which kind of proves that a calorie isn't a calorie, huh? i tend to agree in the sense that when you're trying to lose 100 pounds, no, it doesn't matter a damn WHAT you eat as long as you're at a deficit - you'll lose weight. when a relatively fit person is trying to lower body fat while maintaining muscle mass, then it absolutely matters what you eat. But you can still use some of your calories on things like ice-cream, pop tarts and the like and still get abs. Lowering body fat = caloric deficit. Maintaining LBM = enough protein and undertaking a good progressive strength training routine. i disagree on the lowering body fat part. i think you can drop body fat while eating your TDEE.
