Pop tarts vs. Toaster Strudel
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Good gawd. How the hell did a thread about pop tarts vs toaster strudel become so nasty!?!?!? Very sad.
It's because all the "lets make certain food evil people" are jealous that we enjoy tasty tasty crap every now and again. :bigsmile:
Weird... I recall those same people saying they eat ice cream, fudge, etc on occasion
Your argument seems invalid...
I think it's more that the few people arguing refuse to ever agree with one another, but most would agree that treats that fit into their macros and calorie allotment are ok (whether they are poptarts, toaster strudel, or 70% organic dark chocolate).
Yep. We do all agree on that point. We simply have different definitions on how much of that calorie allotment they should take up. Many in this thread think it doesnt matter, and well... there are those who disagree with that philosophy.
*Personally* I think people with a higher BF% can have more "crap" in their diet than someone at a lower BF% like yourself. The types of food you eat and macros seem to have a much greater impact when you start trying to lose the "the last few pounds" or when trying to find your abs. But, I'm sure there will be a slew of people who disagree with me :laugh:
which kind of proves that a calorie isn't a calorie, huh?
i tend to agree in the sense that when you're trying to lose 100 pounds, no, it doesn't matter a damn WHAT you eat as long as you're at a deficit - you'll lose weight.
when a relatively fit person is trying to lower body fat while maintaining muscle mass, then it absolutely matters what you eat.
But you can still use some of your calories on things like ice-cream, pop tarts and the like and still get abs. Lowering body fat = caloric deficit. Maintaining LBM = enough protein and undertaking a good progressive strength training routine.
i disagree on the lowering body fat part. i think you can drop body fat while eating your TDEE.
What, you are saying that you cannot lower body fat while having those things?0 -
Both are FULL of nothing but sugar - but...if I had to choose it would be a strudel any day of the week. i do not think I have had pop tarts in years!!! Sugared cardboard..no thanks!!! Strudels at least have a nice flaky layer. Healthy wise though...stay clear from this crap! i do not even buy this for my kids! 0
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But you can still use some of your calories on things like ice-cream, pop tarts and the like and still get abs. Lowering body fat = caloric deficit. Maintaining LBM = enough protein and undertaking a good progressive strength training routine.
Think thats his problem, i dont call p90x progressive strength training.
cute. P90X is hardly the only thing I do. but nice try. :flowerforyou:
Sorry couldnt tell.0 -
But you can still use some of your calories on things like ice-cream, pop tarts and the like and still get abs. Lowering body fat = caloric deficit. Maintaining LBM = enough protein and undertaking a good progressive strength training routine.
Think thats his problem, i dont call p90x progressive strength training.
cute. P90X is hardly the only thing I do. but nice try. :flowerforyou:
Sorry couldnt tell.
lol wut? I wish I could post what I WANT to say regarding our respective profile pictures... haha0 -
Fried is always best... But Ive never fried a pop tart0
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Strawberry toaster strudels with the cream cheese frosting.... I used to be able to sit and eat a whole box of 6 in one sitting.
Probably still could, but I'd more than likely curl up in a hole and die afterwards.0 -
Good gawd. How the hell did a thread about pop tarts vs toaster strudel become so nasty!?!?!? Very sad.
It's because all the "lets make certain food evil people" are jealous that we enjoy tasty tasty crap every now and again. :bigsmile:
Weird... I recall those same people saying they eat ice cream, fudge, etc on occasion
Your argument seems invalid...
I think it's more that the few people arguing refuse to ever agree with one another, but most would agree that treats that fit into their macros and calorie allotment are ok (whether they are poptarts, toaster strudel, or 70% organic dark chocolate).
Yep. We do all agree on that point. We simply have different definitions on how much of that calorie allotment they should take up. Many in this thread think it doesnt matter, and well... there are those who disagree with that philosophy.
*Personally* I think people with a higher BF% can have more "crap" in their diet than someone at a lower BF% like yourself. The types of food you eat and macros seem to have a much greater impact when you start trying to lose the "the last few pounds" or when trying to find your abs. But, I'm sure there will be a slew of people who disagree with me :laugh:
which kind of proves that a calorie isn't a calorie, huh?
i tend to agree in the sense that when you're trying to lose 100 pounds, no, it doesn't matter a damn WHAT you eat as long as you're at a deficit - you'll lose weight.
when a relatively fit person is trying to lower body fat while maintaining muscle mass, then it absolutely matters what you eat.
But you can still use some of your calories on things like ice-cream, pop tarts and the like and still get abs. Lowering body fat = caloric deficit. Maintaining LBM = enough protein and undertaking a good progressive strength training routine.
i disagree on the lowering body fat part. i think you can drop body fat while eating your TDEE.
What, you are saying that you cannot lower body fat while having those things?
nope. didn't say that did i? when you're trying to lower body fat and maintain LBM, it's necessary to be more meticulous. that doesn't mean you can't fit in a pop tart, but you need to know exactly how it fits in your plan for the day.
in my personal experience, it works the best if your discretionary calories are a small percentage of your daily allotment. I use 10% as my number and its worked well. I know people go as high as 20% and find success, but I don't believe you can go higher than that and have a sub 10% body fat (for men) or a sub 14% or 15% for women.0 -
Good gawd. How the hell did a thread about pop tarts vs toaster strudel become so nasty!?!?!? Very sad.
It's because all the "lets make certain food evil people" are jealous that we enjoy tasty tasty crap every now and again. :bigsmile:
Weird... I recall those same people saying they eat ice cream, fudge, etc on occasion
Your argument seems invalid...
I think it's more that the few people arguing refuse to ever agree with one another, but most would agree that treats that fit into their macros and calorie allotment are ok (whether they are poptarts, toaster strudel, or 70% organic dark chocolate).
Yep. We do all agree on that point. We simply have different definitions on how much of that calorie allotment they should take up. Many in this thread think it doesnt matter, and well... there are those who disagree with that philosophy.
*Personally* I think people with a higher BF% can have more "crap" in their diet than someone at a lower BF% like yourself. The types of food you eat and macros seem to have a much greater impact when you start trying to lose the "the last few pounds" or when trying to find your abs. But, I'm sure there will be a slew of people who disagree with me :laugh:
which kind of proves that a calorie isn't a calorie, huh?
i tend to agree in the sense that when you're trying to lose 100 pounds, no, it doesn't matter a damn WHAT you eat as long as you're at a deficit - you'll lose weight.
when a relatively fit person is trying to lower body fat while maintaining muscle mass, then it absolutely matters what you eat.
But you can still use some of your calories on things like ice-cream, pop tarts and the like and still get abs. Lowering body fat = caloric deficit. Maintaining LBM = enough protein and undertaking a good progressive strength training routine.
i disagree on the lowering body fat part. i think you can drop body fat while eating your TDEE.
you most definitely can. you can also lower body fat without eating 100% "clean."
agreed. i've never once supported eating 100% clean. not once.0 -
Both are FULL of nothing but sugar - but...if I had to choose it would be a strudel any day of the week. i do not think I have had pop tarts in years!!! Sugared cardboard..no thanks!!! Strudels at least have a nice flaky layer. Healthy wise though...stay clear from this crap! i do not even buy this for my kids!
14 g of sugar is hardly 200 calories. Your argument is completely invalid.
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Good gawd. How the hell did a thread about pop tarts vs toaster strudel become so nasty!?!?!? Very sad.
I'm not sure why people who admit to eating hot fudge would then spend several posts telling people not to eat treats that they don't eat. So weird.0 -
Both are FULL of nothing but sugar - but...if I had to choose it would be a strudel any day of the week. i do not think I have had pop tarts in years!!! Sugared cardboard..no thanks!!! Strudels at least have a nice flaky layer. Healthy wise though...stay clear from this crap! i do not even buy this for my kids!
14 g of sugar is hardly 200 calories. Your argument is completely invalid.
43g of macronutrients
36g of simple carbs that get metabolized as glucose
they're pretty much all sugar0 -
lol wut? I wish I could post what I WANT to say regarding our respective profile pictures... haha
I used toasters Strudel's to bulk. Should have used poptarts i guess. Lesson learned.0 -
Good gawd. How the hell did a thread about pop tarts vs toaster strudel become so nasty!?!?!? Very sad.
It's because all the "lets make certain food evil people" are jealous that we enjoy tasty tasty crap every now and again. :bigsmile:
Weird... I recall those same people saying they eat ice cream, fudge, etc on occasion
Your argument seems invalid...
I think it's more that the few people arguing refuse to ever agree with one another, but most would agree that treats that fit into their macros and calorie allotment are ok (whether they are poptarts, toaster strudel, or 70% organic dark chocolate).
Yep. We do all agree on that point. We simply have different definitions on how much of that calorie allotment they should take up. Many in this thread think it doesnt matter, and well... there are those who disagree with that philosophy.
*Personally* I think people with a higher BF% can have more "crap" in their diet than someone at a lower BF% like yourself. The types of food you eat and macros seem to have a much greater impact when you start trying to lose the "the last few pounds" or when trying to find your abs. But, I'm sure there will be a slew of people who disagree with me :laugh:
which kind of proves that a calorie isn't a calorie, huh?
i tend to agree in the sense that when you're trying to lose 100 pounds, no, it doesn't matter a damn WHAT you eat as long as you're at a deficit - you'll lose weight.
when a relatively fit person is trying to lower body fat while maintaining muscle mass, then it absolutely matters what you eat.
But you can still use some of your calories on things like ice-cream, pop tarts and the like and still get abs. Lowering body fat = caloric deficit. Maintaining LBM = enough protein and undertaking a good progressive strength training routine.
i disagree on the lowering body fat part. i think you can drop body fat while eating your TDEE.
What, you are saying that you cannot lower body fat while having those things?
nope. didn't say that did i? when you're trying to lower body fat and maintain LBM, it's necessary to be more meticulous. that doesn't mean you can't fit in a pop tart, but you need to know exactly how it fits in your plan for the day.
in my personal experience, it works the best if your discretionary calories are a small percentage of your daily allotment. I use 10% as my number and its worked well. I know people go as high as 20% and find success, but I don't believe you can go higher than that and have a sub 10% body fat (for men) or a sub 14% or 15% for women.
I was clarifying what you were saying to ensure no misunderstanding, which is why I asked the question. Surely that is better than making assumptions. However, it seems as though you do not like me trying to do that based on the tone of the response.
I actually disagree that you cannot go higher than 20% discretionary to get a low BF% (and 18% for women is more comparable to a 10% for men) - whether it will be a good idea, I think we can agree that it will not.0 -
Good gawd. How the hell did a thread about pop tarts vs toaster strudel become so nasty!?!?!? Very sad.
It's because all the "lets make certain food evil people" are jealous that we enjoy tasty tasty crap every now and again. :bigsmile:
Weird... I recall those same people saying they eat ice cream, fudge, etc on occasion
Your argument seems invalid...
I think it's more that the few people arguing refuse to ever agree with one another, but most would agree that treats that fit into their macros and calorie allotment are ok (whether they are poptarts, toaster strudel, or 70% organic dark chocolate).
Yep. We do all agree on that point. We simply have different definitions on how much of that calorie allotment they should take up. Many in this thread think it doesnt matter, and well... there are those who disagree with that philosophy.
*Personally* I think people with a higher BF% can have more "crap" in their diet than someone at a lower BF% like yourself. The types of food you eat and macros seem to have a much greater impact when you start trying to lose the "the last few pounds" or when trying to find your abs. But, I'm sure there will be a slew of people who disagree with me :laugh:
which kind of proves that a calorie isn't a calorie, huh?
i tend to agree in the sense that when you're trying to lose 100 pounds, no, it doesn't matter a damn WHAT you eat as long as you're at a deficit - you'll lose weight.
when a relatively fit person is trying to lower body fat while maintaining muscle mass, then it absolutely matters what you eat.
But you can still use some of your calories on things like ice-cream, pop tarts and the like and still get abs. Lowering body fat = caloric deficit. Maintaining LBM = enough protein and undertaking a good progressive strength training routine.
i disagree on the lowering body fat part. i think you can drop body fat while eating your TDEE.
What, you are saying that you cannot lower body fat while having those things?
nope. didn't say that did i? when you're trying to lower body fat and maintain LBM, it's necessary to be more meticulous. that doesn't mean you can't fit in a pop tart, but you need to know exactly how it fits in your plan for the day.
in my personal experience, it works the best if your discretionary calories are a small percentage of your daily allotment. I use 10% as my number and its worked well. I know people go as high as 20% and find success, but I don't believe you can go higher than that and have a sub 10% body fat (for men) or a sub 14% or 15% for women.
I was clarifying what you were saying to ensure no misunderstanding, which is why I asked the question. Surely that is better than making assumptions. However, it seems as though you do not like me trying to do that based on the tone of the response.
I actually disagree that you cannot go higher than 20% discretionary to get a low BF% (and 18% for women is more comparable to a 10% for men) - whether it will be a good idea, I think we can agree that it will not.
thanks for that - wasn't sure off the top of my head what the comparable # would be
and no, there are no absolutes in all this. i'm sure someone, somewhere has lowered their body fat to sub 10/18% levels with higher than 20% discretionary intake - but as a rule it's not likely. we are agreed.0 -
Both are FULL of nothing but sugar - but...if I had to choose it would be a strudel any day of the week. i do not think I have had pop tarts in years!!! Sugared cardboard..no thanks!!! Strudels at least have a nice flaky layer. Healthy wise though...stay clear from this crap! i do not even buy this for my kids!
14 g of sugar is hardly 200 calories. Your argument is completely invalid.
43g of macronutrients
36g of simple carbs that get metabolized as glucose
they're pretty much all sugar
I really only see 14 g of simple carbs. All carbs eventually get metabolized as glucose so unless you're going to call all carbs sugar from here on out...Based on that you ate 200g of sugar yesterday.0 -
Toaster Strudels are a LOT tastier. Absolutely no comparison.0
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Both are FULL of nothing but sugar - but...if I had to choose it would be a strudel any day of the week. i do not think I have had pop tarts in years!!! Sugared cardboard..no thanks!!! Strudels at least have a nice flaky layer. Healthy wise though...stay clear from this crap! i do not even buy this for my kids!
14 g of sugar is hardly 200 calories. Your argument is completely invalid.
43g of macronutrients
36g of simple carbs that get metabolized as glucose
they're pretty much all sugar
I really only see 14 g of simple carbs. All carbs eventually get metabolized as glucose so unless you're going to call all carbs sugar from here on out...Based on that you ate 200g of sugar yesterday.
well... all carbs do become glucose eventually. however simple carbs are metabolized quickly, like sugar. and enriched flours are simple carbs.0 -
Both are FULL of nothing but sugar - but...if I had to choose it would be a strudel any day of the week. i do not think I have had pop tarts in years!!! Sugared cardboard..no thanks!!! Strudels at least have a nice flaky layer. Healthy wise though...stay clear from this crap! i do not even buy this for my kids!
14 g of sugar is hardly 200 calories. Your argument is completely invalid.
43g of macronutrients
36g of simple carbs that get metabolized as glucose
they're pretty much all sugar
I really only see 14 g of simple carbs. All carbs eventually get metabolized as glucose so unless you're going to call all carbs sugar from here on out...Based on that you ate 200g of sugar yesterday.
well... all carbs do become glucose eventually. however simple carbs are metabolized quickly, like sugar. and enriched flours are simple carbs.
Primary ingredient isn't enriched flour. It's whole wheat flour, enriched is second. Which means out of the 36g carbs, 14 are sugar, 3 are fiber, that leaves 19 g for the rest. So it's safe to assume, based on labeling law, that out of the 19 at least 10g of this is whole wheat flower, leaving only 9 (at most) for enriched flour. So that brings simple carb total (at most) up to 23 g.0 -
TOASTER STRUDELS FTW.0
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Pop tarts! But it has to be the strawberry milkshake ones.
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Both are FULL of nothing but sugar - but...if I had to choose it would be a strudel any day of the week. i do not think I have had pop tarts in years!!! Sugared cardboard..no thanks!!! Strudels at least have a nice flaky layer. Healthy wise though...stay clear from this crap! i do not even buy this for my kids!
14 g of sugar is hardly 200 calories. Your argument is completely invalid.
43g of macronutrients
36g of simple carbs that get metabolized as glucose
they're pretty much all sugar
I really only see 14 g of simple carbs. All carbs eventually get metabolized as glucose so unless you're going to call all carbs sugar from here on out...Based on that you ate 200g of sugar yesterday.
well... all carbs do become glucose eventually. however simple carbs are metabolized quickly, like sugar. and enriched flours are simple carbs.
Primary ingredient isn't enriched flour. It's whole wheat flour, enriched is second. Which means out of the 36g carbs, 14 are sugar, 3 are fiber, that leaves 19 g for the rest. So it's safe to assume, based on labeling law, that out of the 19 at least 10g of this is whole wheat flower, leaving only 9 (at most) for enriched flour. So that brings simple carb total (at most) up to 23 g.Fortified white wheat flour does not, however, contain the macronutrients of the wheat's bran and germ (especially fiber and protein) like whole-grain flour does. Whole grain is a good source of calcium, iron, fiber, and other minerals like selenium.[1] Regular "whole wheat" flour commonly used commercially has 70% of the germ removed to prevent rancidity, and as such cannot be labeled "whole grain".
and beyond being less nutritious, and thus faster-metabolizing, pop tarts are also listed as being very high on the GI scale and having a high Glycemic Load.
so... regardless of whether you think the GI or GL scales matter, Pop Tarts are still mostly sugar.0 -
I fancy both with a bottle of whiskey.0
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TOASTER STRUDELS FTW.
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I fancy both with a bottle of whiskey.
Somehow I feel this would taint the whisky flavor. Oh wait, you said "whiskey" with an e. Go for it!
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I like both but since I'm always on the go Pop Tarts win by default.
Cinnamon & Cherry Pop Tarts FTW!
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Pop Tarts all the way. I can eat them right out of the package, or they only take half the time to heat up.
De-thawing your Toaster Strudel and then trying to mess with that little bag of frosting? Ain't nobody got time for that.0 -
43g of macronutrients
36g of simple carbs that get metabolized as glucose
they're pretty much all sugar
Carbs are nutrients too.0 -
43g of macronutrients
36g of simple carbs that get metabolized as glucose
they're pretty much all sugar
Carbs are nutrients too.
...yeah... they are... your point?0 -
I've never had a Toaster Strudel and its been a couple years since I've had a Pop tart.
If I were to choose, I'd go with a S'more Pop tart. Omgosh yum!0 -
Am I really reading people say that Poptarts > Toaster Strudels????:noway: :noway: :noway:
I'm sorry but almost all of you are incorrect.
There really are only two sides to this coin..
microwaved Cherry flavored poptarts are the best flavor of Poptart...
That being said.. The only time a cherry poptart beats the magical deliciousness of a cinnamon apple toaster strudel is when I'm trying to tear the little thin icing packet and it tears into the side. When that happens you have to use 2 packs of icing.0
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