The conspiracy to make (and keep us) fat...

Contrarian

Just as certain cars are "unsafe at any speed" some foods are really not very good for a body--moderation or not.

Which ones?

Poisonous mushrooms. Never eat those.

CoachReddy

Just as certain cars are "unsafe at any speed" some foods are really not very good for a body--moderation or not.

Which ones?

any with trans fats. you agree with that, dont ya? :happy:

Not at all, because beef, milk, and cheese contain trans fat naturally. I'm not willing to put "all cow products" in the "bad for your body" category.

again with the semantics. you knew what i meant. lol

Huh? You said "any food with trans fats." A lot of foods naturally have trans fats.

That's not semantics.

What are you talking about, then?

i love how you play obtuse. it's so cute.

hydrogenated oils. happy?

Hydrogenated oils are saturated fats and therefore don't have cis or trans isomers.

Did you mean partially hydrogenated oils?

SanteMulberry

I recently came across two reports that made me realize how much the choices we make affect our success.

The first one I heard on NPR. It was someone talking about how we’re “hard-wired”, …we’re made to want high fat, high calorie foods (and a lot of it). Our ancestors who ate as much of those things as they could, when they could are the ones who survived. The problem is, our ancestors didn’t have the abundance of these things that we do today. My take away? Don’t start eating these things, because it’s too hard to stop (and not just because I my willpower isn’t strong enough).

The other was an article in the NY Times magazine, that discussed how food manufacturers make the food we eat. The one thing that blew my mind? There is an actual term they use, called the “bliss factor” that is the point at which a food triggers a response in your body that makes you want to keep eating. Let me repeat this…they actually create foods with the goal to make it physically more difficult to put it down.

Wow, like it isn’t hard enough for me already! What this made me realize is that I really do need to focus on the items around the perimeter of the store. I have been aware of that for a while, but these two things made the light bulb go off for me…when I eat the things that are processed, I’m making it much harder on myself than it needs to be.

And why on earth would I do that?

Yep--food scientist know that humans prefer sugar, salt and fat in that order. And ice cream, because it contains all three in abundance, is the "perfect storm" of temptation. :devil:

Abundance? Here's what I've been eating daily for awhile now. I think we have different ideas of what abundance is. I'm guessing you'll ignore the fat and sodium, even though that's 2/3rds of your argument against ice cream.

The same serving size of Häagen-Dazs Vanilla is 270 calories. With 18 grams of sugar and 127 mg. of sodium. And while we are looking at it, really, who eats 1/2 cup of ice cream? Do you?

Nope, I eat 4. 127 mg of sodium and 18 g of sugar is hardly an abundance by any standard.

It is when you are trying to maintain your weight at 1,800 calories. Look, if you are a young body builder maintaining at 4,000 to 5,000 calories a day, you can afford to waste calories on junky food. To give a somewhat crude example, it's kind of like the multi-millionaire who can afford to lose $2,000 at the roulette table vs. the pensioner who loses $150 on the slot machines. The multi-millionaire shrugs and walks off to ride away in his limo. The pensioner cries because he knows that he will have to eat dog food for the next week.

Admiral_Derp

Meh yourself.

jonnythan

I recently came across two reports that made me realize how much the choices we make affect our success.

The first one I heard on NPR. It was someone talking about how we’re “hard-wired”, …we’re made to want high fat, high calorie foods (and a lot of it). Our ancestors who ate as much of those things as they could, when they could are the ones who survived. The problem is, our ancestors didn’t have the abundance of these things that we do today. My take away? Don’t start eating these things, because it’s too hard to stop (and not just because I my willpower isn’t strong enough).

The other was an article in the NY Times magazine, that discussed how food manufacturers make the food we eat. The one thing that blew my mind? There is an actual term they use, called the “bliss factor” that is the point at which a food triggers a response in your body that makes you want to keep eating. Let me repeat this…they actually create foods with the goal to make it physically more difficult to put it down.

Wow, like it isn’t hard enough for me already! What this made me realize is that I really do need to focus on the items around the perimeter of the store. I have been aware of that for a while, but these two things made the light bulb go off for me…when I eat the things that are processed, I’m making it much harder on myself than it needs to be.

And why on earth would I do that?

Yep--food scientist know that humans prefer sugar, salt and fat in that order. And ice cream, because it contains all three in abundance, is the "perfect storm" of temptation. :devil:

Abundance? Here's what I've been eating daily for awhile now. I think we have different ideas of what abundance is. I'm guessing you'll ignore the fat and sodium, even though that's 2/3rds of your argument against ice cream.

The same serving size of Häagen-Dazs Vanilla is 270 calories. With 18 grams of sugar and 127 mg. of sodium. And while we are looking at it, really, who eats 1/2 cup of ice cream? Do you?

Nope, I eat 4. 127 mg of sodium and 18 g of sugar is hardly an abundance by any standard.

It is when you are trying to maintain your weight at 1,800 calories. Look, if you are a young body builder maintaining at 4,000 to 5,000 calories a day, you can afford to waste calories on junky food. To give a somewhat crude example, it's kind of like the multi-millionaire who can afford to lose $2,000 at the roulette table vs. the pensioner who loses $150 on the slot machines. The multi-millionaire shrugs and walks off to ride away in his limo. The pensioner cries because he knows that he will have to eat dog food for the next week.

I'm losing weight with a calorie goal of 1675, but I make room for ice cream pretty much every day. Yesterday I ate 1764 calories, of which 220 was ice cream. 136g protein, 57g fat, and 24g fiber.

So...... what's your argument again? That you can't eat ice cream with an 1800 calorie diet?

magerum

I recently came across two reports that made me realize how much the choices we make affect our success.

The first one I heard on NPR. It was someone talking about how we’re “hard-wired”, …we’re made to want high fat, high calorie foods (and a lot of it). Our ancestors who ate as much of those things as they could, when they could are the ones who survived. The problem is, our ancestors didn’t have the abundance of these things that we do today. My take away? Don’t start eating these things, because it’s too hard to stop (and not just because I my willpower isn’t strong enough).

The other was an article in the NY Times magazine, that discussed how food manufacturers make the food we eat. The one thing that blew my mind? There is an actual term they use, called the “bliss factor” that is the point at which a food triggers a response in your body that makes you want to keep eating. Let me repeat this…they actually create foods with the goal to make it physically more difficult to put it down.

Wow, like it isn’t hard enough for me already! What this made me realize is that I really do need to focus on the items around the perimeter of the store. I have been aware of that for a while, but these two things made the light bulb go off for me…when I eat the things that are processed, I’m making it much harder on myself than it needs to be.

And why on earth would I do that?

Yep--food scientist know that humans prefer sugar, salt and fat in that order. And ice cream, because it contains all three in abundance, is the "perfect storm" of temptation. :devil:

Abundance? Here's what I've been eating daily for awhile now. I think we have different ideas of what abundance is. I'm guessing you'll ignore the fat and sodium, even though that's 2/3rds of your argument against ice cream.

The same serving size of Häagen-Dazs Vanilla is 270 calories. With 18 grams of sugar and 127 mg. of sodium. And while we are looking at it, really, who eats 1/2 cup of ice cream? Do you?

Nope, I eat 4. 127 mg of sodium and 18 g of sugar is hardly an abundance by any standard.

It is when you are trying to maintain your weight at 1,800 calories. Look, if you are a young body builder maintaining at 4,000 to 5,000 calories a day, you can afford to waste calories on junky food. To give a somewhat crude example, it's kind of like the multi-millionaire who can afford to lose $2,000 at the roulette table vs. the pensioner who loses $150 on the slot machines. The multi-millionaire shrugs and walks off to ride away in his limo. The pensioner cries because he knows that he will have to eat dog food for the next week.

The pensioner shouldn't have been there to begin with.

magerum

Meh yourself.

The funny part is Derp that comment was the say how you won with the profile pic, but only a few people would get that so I edited it out. :laugh:

LiftAllThePizzas

jonnythan

:laugh:

Randall may not appreciate the edit, but it's pretty good.

MinimalistShoeAddict

Ridiculous. People should be accountable for their own health and quit pointing the finger. Processed food doesn't make you fat. Too much of any food does.

...Which foods you choose to eat along the way is totally up to you. I eat plenty of the "unhealthy" foods discussed in this thread and am doing just fine...

And will you be like the young body builder here on the forums who says that he "lives on junk food" and yet he admits to having a slight problem with a bit of high blood pressure? In five years, in ten years...

I like how you use quote marks to encapsulate a phrase no one ever said. Who are you talking about, though? At first I thought it was me, but I never said I live on junk food or have a blood pressure problem. Nor am I a bodybuilder.

It looks like it was a cut and paste job of many people put together since only one of the quotes is mine. My blood pressure, blood sugar and cholesterol levels are great! I hit my macro targets each week despite my high level of processed food consumption.

Its amazing what eating near your TDEE combined with strength and aerobic exercise can do.

Admiral_Derp

Meh yourself.

The funny part is Derp that comment was the say how you won with the profile pic, but only a few people would get that so I edited it out. :laugh:

LOL The important ones got it. That's all that matters.

SanteMulberry

I recently came across two reports that made me realize how much the choices we make affect our success.

The first one I heard on NPR. It was someone talking about how we’re “hard-wired”, …we’re made to want high fat, high calorie foods (and a lot of it). Our ancestors who ate as much of those things as they could, when they could are the ones who survived. The problem is, our ancestors didn’t have the abundance of these things that we do today. My take away? Don’t start eating these things, because it’s too hard to stop (and not just because I my willpower isn’t strong enough).

The other was an article in the NY Times magazine, that discussed how food manufacturers make the food we eat. The one thing that blew my mind? There is an actual term they use, called the “bliss factor” that is the point at which a food triggers a response in your body that makes you want to keep eating. Let me repeat this…they actually create foods with the goal to make it physically more difficult to put it down.

Wow, like it isn’t hard enough for me already! What this made me realize is that I really do need to focus on the items around the perimeter of the store. I have been aware of that for a while, but these two things made the light bulb go off for me…when I eat the things that are processed, I’m making it much harder on myself than it needs to be.

And why on earth would I do that?

Yep--food scientist know that humans prefer sugar, salt and fat in that order. And ice cream, because it contains all three in abundance, is the "perfect storm" of temptation. :devil:

Abundance? Here's what I've been eating daily for awhile now. I think we have different ideas of what abundance is. I'm guessing you'll ignore the fat and sodium, even though that's 2/3rds of your argument against ice cream.

The same serving size of Häagen-Dazs Vanilla is 270 calories. With 18 grams of sugar and 127 mg. of sodium. And while we are looking at it, really, who eats 1/2 cup of ice cream? Do you?

Nope, I eat 4. 127 mg of sodium and 18 g of sugar is hardly an abundance by any standard.

Yeah--whatever. Why is it that you guys jump in the paddy wagon and race to the rescue of your sacred cows every time they are mentioned (sorry for the mixed metaphor). Really, what's it to you that we like to talk about eating better and more healthfully? You're welcome to stuff yourself with ice cream until your sacred cows come home (to roost) to use another mixed metaphor. But can you just let us be concerned about the national waistline in peace?

A couple things.

1) You just insulted every Hindu. Good job on that, cows are sacred to them.


2) I AM talking bout eating better and "more healthfully". You seem to think your definition of those terms are the only correct ones. Once you realize that that is incorrect and accept that there are many ways to achieve this health you so often speak of you will find people may not be so quick to argue with you.

1) A ridiculous observation. Look up the colloquial meaning of the term "sacred cow". In this application, you well understood my meaning and knew that it was not intended to insult any Hindus. 2) Medical researchers have been sounding the alarm on many of our poor eating habits (especially the sugar habit) and the connection to obesity, heart disease, Type II diabetes, etc. etc. Yet you people continue to yammer about "moderation" when that is clearly NOT working on a national basis. The problem is only getting worse. What--do you own stock in a food conglomerate or something?

SanteMulberry

Ridiculous. People should be accountable for their own health and quit pointing the finger. Processed food doesn't make you fat. Too much of any food does.

...Which foods you choose to eat along the way is totally up to you. I eat plenty of the "unhealthy" foods discussed in this thread and am doing just fine...

And will you be like the young body builder here on the forums who says that he "lives on junk food" and yet he admits to having a slight problem with a bit of high blood pressure? In five years, in ten years...

I like how you use quote marks to encapsulate a phrase no one ever said. Who are you talking about, though? At first I thought it was me, but I never said I live on junk food or have a blood pressure problem. Nor am I a bodybuilder.

It looks like it was a cut and paste job of many people put together since only one of the quotes is mine. My blood pressure, blood sugar and cholesterol levels are great! I hit my macro targets each week despite my high level of processed food consumption.

Its amazing what eating near your TDEE combined with strength and aerobic exercise can do.

My--you really DO think it is all about you. It was some guy on a previous thread similar to this one who very definitely said that he "lived on junk food" and that it doesn't matter if your blood pressure is high because "that is what blood pressure meds are for." I can't remember what his user name is and I'm certainly not going to go looking for the quote.

crubinetti

I recently came across two reports that made me realize how much the choices we make affect our success.

The first one I heard on NPR. It was someone talking about how we’re “hard-wired”, …we’re made to want high fat, high calorie foods (and a lot of it). Our ancestors who ate as much of those things as they could, when they could are the ones who survived. The problem is, our ancestors didn’t have the abundance of these things that we do today. My take away? Don’t start eating these things, because it’s too hard to stop (and not just because I my willpower isn’t strong enough).

The other was an article in the NY Times magazine, that discussed how food manufacturers make the food we eat. The one thing that blew my mind? There is an actual term they use, called the “bliss factor” that is the point at which a food triggers a response in your body that makes you want to keep eating. Let me repeat this…they actually create foods with the goal to make it physically more difficult to put it down.

Wow, like it isn’t hard enough for me already! What this made me realize is that I really do need to focus on the items around the perimeter of the store. I have been aware of that for a while, but these two things made the light bulb go off for me…when I eat the things that are processed, I’m making it much harder on myself than it needs to be.

And why on earth would I do that?

I heard that on NPR too but can't remember what the cast was called. Do you remember? I want to hear it again in pod cast.

magerum

A couple things.

1) You just insulted every Hindu. Good job on that, cows are sacred to them.


2) I AM talking bout eating better and "more healthfully". You seem to think your definition of those terms are the only correct ones. Once you realize that that is incorrect and accept that there are many ways to achieve this health you so often speak of you will find people may not be so quick to argue with you.

1) A ridiculous observation. Look up the colloquial meaning of the term "sacred cow". In this application, you well understood my meaning and knew that it was not intended to insult any Hindus. 2) Medical researchers have been sounding the alarm on many of our poor eating habits (especially the sugar habit) and the connection to obesity, heart disease, Type II diabetes, etc. etc. Yet you people continue to yammer about "moderation" when that is clearly NOT working on a national basis. The problem is only getting worse. What--do you own stock in a food conglomerate or something?

Obviously on a national level people aren't practicing moderation. Your medical research you allude to always boils down to excess calorie consumption, not a particular macro or micro nutrient.

I have a diverse portfolio, I'm sure there's some in there somewhere.

professorRAT

I recently came across two reports that made me realize how much the choices we make affect our success.

The first one I heard on NPR. It was someone talking about how we’re “hard-wired”, …we’re made to want high fat, high calorie foods (and a lot of it). Our ancestors who ate as much of those things as they could, when they could are the ones who survived. The problem is, our ancestors didn’t have the abundance of these things that we do today. My take away? Don’t start eating these things, because it’s too hard to stop (and not just because I my willpower isn’t strong enough).

The other was an article in the NY Times magazine, that discussed how food manufacturers make the food we eat. The one thing that blew my mind? There is an actual term they use, called the “bliss factor” that is the point at which a food triggers a response in your body that makes you want to keep eating. Let me repeat this…they actually create foods with the goal to make it physically more difficult to put it down.

Wow, like it isn’t hard enough for me already! What this made me realize is that I really do need to focus on the items around the perimeter of the store. I have been aware of that for a while, but these two things made the light bulb go off for me…when I eat the things that are processed, I’m making it much harder on myself than it needs to be.

And why on earth would I do that?

Yep--food scientist know that humans prefer sugar, salt and fat in that order. And ice cream, because it contains all three in abundance, is the "perfect storm" of temptation. :devil:

Abundance? Here's what I've been eating daily for awhile now. I think we have different ideas of what abundance is. I'm guessing you'll ignore the fat and sodium, even though that's 2/3rds of your argument against ice cream.

The same serving size of Häagen-Dazs Vanilla is 270 calories. Also it comes replete with 17 grams of fat along with 18 grams of sugar and 127 mg. of sodium. And while we are looking at it, really, who eats 1/2 cup of ice cream? Do you?

Yes, I do. I eat 1/2 cup of ice cream every couple of days or so. I very easily fit it into my calorie and macro goals and I have no problem stopping after 1/2 cup. I don't understand what is so difficult about that, to be honest.

SanteMulberry

I recently came across two reports that made me realize how much the choices we make affect our success.

The first one I heard on NPR. It was someone talking about how we’re “hard-wired”, …we’re made to want high fat, high calorie foods (and a lot of it). Our ancestors who ate as much of those things as they could, when they could are the ones who survived. The problem is, our ancestors didn’t have the abundance of these things that we do today. My take away? Don’t start eating these things, because it’s too hard to stop (and not just because I my willpower isn’t strong enough).

The other was an article in the NY Times magazine, that discussed how food manufacturers make the food we eat. The one thing that blew my mind? There is an actual term they use, called the “bliss factor” that is the point at which a food triggers a response in your body that makes you want to keep eating. Let me repeat this…they actually create foods with the goal to make it physically more difficult to put it down.

Wow, like it isn’t hard enough for me already! What this made me realize is that I really do need to focus on the items around the perimeter of the store. I have been aware of that for a while, but these two things made the light bulb go off for me…when I eat the things that are processed, I’m making it much harder on myself than it needs to be.

And why on earth would I do that?

Yep--food scientist know that humans prefer sugar, salt and fat in that order. And ice cream, because it contains all three in abundance, is the "perfect storm" of temptation. :devil:

Abundance? Here's what I've been eating daily for awhile now. I think we have different ideas of what abundance is. I'm guessing you'll ignore the fat and sodium, even though that's 2/3rds of your argument against ice cream.

The same serving size of Häagen-Dazs Vanilla is 270 calories. With 18 grams of sugar and 127 mg. of sodium. And while we are looking at it, really, who eats 1/2 cup of ice cream? Do you?

Nope, I eat 4. 127 mg of sodium and 18 g of sugar is hardly an abundance by any standard.

It is when you are trying to maintain your weight at 1,800 calories. Look, if you are a young body builder maintaining at 4,000 to 5,000 calories a day, you can afford to waste calories on junky food. To give a somewhat crude example, it's kind of like the multi-millionaire who can afford to lose $2,000 at the roulette table vs. the pensioner who loses $150 on the slot machines. The multi-millionaire shrugs and walks off to ride away in his limo. The pensioner cries because he knows that he will have to eat dog food for the next week.

The pensioner shouldn't have been there to begin with.

With that, I think you just shot yourself in the foot. Following your logic, there are people (such as those trying to be healthy on an 1,800-calorie budget) who should not be there at the ice cream slot machines?

LiftAllThePizzas

Yet you people continue to yammer about "moderation" when that is clearly NOT working on a national basis. The problem is only getting worse.

People who are getting worse are not practicing moderation. That doesn't mean that moderation doesn't work. You act like it's some wacky extremist idea when in fact it's a basic life skill, like walking, swimming, riding a bike, tying one's own shoes.

magerum

I recently came across two reports that made me realize how much the choices we make affect our success.

The first one I heard on NPR. It was someone talking about how we’re “hard-wired”, …we’re made to want high fat, high calorie foods (and a lot of it). Our ancestors who ate as much of those things as they could, when they could are the ones who survived. The problem is, our ancestors didn’t have the abundance of these things that we do today. My take away? Don’t start eating these things, because it’s too hard to stop (and not just because I my willpower isn’t strong enough).

The other was an article in the NY Times magazine, that discussed how food manufacturers make the food we eat. The one thing that blew my mind? There is an actual term they use, called the “bliss factor” that is the point at which a food triggers a response in your body that makes you want to keep eating. Let me repeat this…they actually create foods with the goal to make it physically more difficult to put it down.

Wow, like it isn’t hard enough for me already! What this made me realize is that I really do need to focus on the items around the perimeter of the store. I have been aware of that for a while, but these two things made the light bulb go off for me…when I eat the things that are processed, I’m making it much harder on myself than it needs to be.

And why on earth would I do that?

Yep--food scientist know that humans prefer sugar, salt and fat in that order. And ice cream, because it contains all three in abundance, is the "perfect storm" of temptation. :devil:

Abundance? Here's what I've been eating daily for awhile now. I think we have different ideas of what abundance is. I'm guessing you'll ignore the fat and sodium, even though that's 2/3rds of your argument against ice cream.

The same serving size of Häagen-Dazs Vanilla is 270 calories. With 18 grams of sugar and 127 mg. of sodium. And while we are looking at it, really, who eats 1/2 cup of ice cream? Do you?

Nope, I eat 4. 127 mg of sodium and 18 g of sugar is hardly an abundance by any standard.

It is when you are trying to maintain your weight at 1,800 calories. Look, if you are a young body builder maintaining at 4,000 to 5,000 calories a day, you can afford to waste calories on junky food. To give a somewhat crude example, it's kind of like the multi-millionaire who can afford to lose $2,000 at the roulette table vs. the pensioner who loses $150 on the slot machines. The multi-millionaire shrugs and walks off to ride away in his limo. The pensioner cries because he knows that he will have to eat dog food for the next week.

The pensioner shouldn't have been there to begin with.

With that, I think you just shot yourself in the foot. Following your logic, there are people (such as those trying to be healthy on an 1,800-calorie budget) who should not be there at the ice cream slot machines?

Not if that's the only thing they can eat. I never stated you should eat only ice cream. Your argument is invalid and actually proves mine, he should have practiced moderation.

SanteMulberry

I recently came across two reports that made me realize how much the choices we make affect our success.

The first one I heard on NPR. It was someone talking about how we’re “hard-wired”, …we’re made to want high fat, high calorie foods (and a lot of it). Our ancestors who ate as much of those things as they could, when they could are the ones who survived. The problem is, our ancestors didn’t have the abundance of these things that we do today. My take away? Don’t start eating these things, because it’s too hard to stop (and not just because I my willpower isn’t strong enough).

The other was an article in the NY Times magazine, that discussed how food manufacturers make the food we eat. The one thing that blew my mind? There is an actual term they use, called the “bliss factor” that is the point at which a food triggers a response in your body that makes you want to keep eating. Let me repeat this…they actually create foods with the goal to make it physically more difficult to put it down.

Wow, like it isn’t hard enough for me already! What this made me realize is that I really do need to focus on the items around the perimeter of the store. I have been aware of that for a while, but these two things made the light bulb go off for me…when I eat the things that are processed, I’m making it much harder on myself than it needs to be.

And why on earth would I do that?

Yep--food scientist know that humans prefer sugar, salt and fat in that order. And ice cream, because it contains all three in abundance, is the "perfect storm" of temptation. :devil:

Abundance? Here's what I've been eating daily for awhile now. I think we have different ideas of what abundance is. I'm guessing you'll ignore the fat and sodium, even though that's 2/3rds of your argument against ice cream.

The same serving size of Häagen-Dazs Vanilla is 270 calories. Also it comes replete with 17 grams of fat along with 18 grams of sugar and 127 mg. of sodium. And while we are looking at it, really, who eats 1/2 cup of ice cream? Do you?

Yes, I do. I eat 1/2 cup of ice cream every couple of days or so. I very easily fit it into my calorie and macro goals and I have no problem stopping after 1/2 cup. I don't understand what is so difficult about that, to be honest.

Well, I'm one up on ya' I don't eat any at all and haven't even felt the need to since I got off sugar. (Three years and counting.) My health has steadily improved.