The conspiracy to make (and keep us) fat...
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Every manufacturer of everything seeks to make their product more appealing to the consumer. Duh!
Tin hat nonsense does not relieve YOU of the responsibility for everything you put in your mouth. BS like this is soaked up by people who would rather subscribe to mindless conspiracy theories than actually engage their brains or their self control.
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People...can we stop being so snarky to each other? Really! Some of the comments on here...
Sorry teacher, we'll be nice from now on.
Thank you - you can leave the corner now.
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Every manufacturer of everything seeks to make their product more appealing to the consumer. Duh!
Tin hat nonsense does not relieve YOU of the responsibility for everything you put in your mouth. BS like this is soaked up by people who would rather subscribe to mindless conspiracy theories than actually engage their brains or their self control.
QFT
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this thread had so much win the first few posts! knowledge is power y'all.
Nah, this thread was win-free till this douche (me) added the tin foil hat chick. THAT was win.
The conspiracy theory may actually have some merit. I heard that Skynet sent some Monsanto reps back in time to the cave man days to get us all addicted to unhealthy foods so we'd be ripe for the picking on judgement day.
you're only right in that it's not really a conspiracy so much as it is business as usual. companies are out to make profit, and as much of it as they can, regardless of our health.
it's our job to realize this and do something about it - to be informed consumers that FORCE them to start changing their practices. Unfortunately with the new laws going on the books re: Monsanto, that's getting much, much harder to do.
The market is all powerful.
It will do what it will do to satisfy demand.
Government can only work around the edges of that situation and they usually muck up most of what they do try to fix.
I have to agree with your implication that they don't care about our health. They exist to sell a product and make a profit. When the consumer chooses a healthy path they will provide for that path to remain profitable.
Nothing changes till then.
uh oh... we agree again.
The think we disagree on all the time is the way we approach these things. I think it's counterproductive to explain things in term of "evil corporations" and the need for government intervention. It provides a nice excuse for failure on the part of the individual. After all, they're just powerless little people up against the might of the evil corps in collusion with the government.
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I recently came across two reports that made me realize how much the choices we make affect our success.
The first one I heard on NPR. It was someone talking about how we’re “hard-wired”, …we’re made to want high fat, high calorie foods (and a lot of it). Our ancestors who ate as much of those things as they could, when they could are the ones who survived. The problem is, our ancestors didn’t have the abundance of these things that we do today. My take away? Don’t start eating these things, because it’s too hard to stop (and not just because I my willpower isn’t strong enough).
The other was an article in the NY Times magazine, that discussed how food manufacturers make the food we eat. The one thing that blew my mind? There is an actual term they use, called the “bliss factor” that is the point at which a food triggers a response in your body that makes you want to keep eating. Let me repeat this…they actually create foods with the goal to make it physically more difficult to put it down.
Wow, like it isn’t hard enough for me already! What this made me realize is that I really do need to focus on the items around the perimeter of the store. I have been aware of that for a while, but these two things made the light bulb go off for me…when I eat the things that are processed, I’m making it much harder on myself than it needs to be.
And why on earth would I do that?
Yep--food scientist know that humans prefer sugar, salt and fat in that order. And ice cream, because it contains all three in abundance, is the "perfect storm" of temptation. :devil:0 -
this thread had so much win the first few posts! knowledge is power y'all.
Nah, this thread was win-free till this douche (me) added the tin foil hat chick. THAT was win.
The conspiracy theory may actually have some merit. I heard that Skynet sent some Monsanto reps back in time to the cave man days to get us all addicted to unhealthy foods so we'd be ripe for the picking on judgement day.
you're only right in that it's not really a conspiracy so much as it is business as usual. companies are out to make profit, and as much of it as they can, regardless of our health.
it's our job to realize this and do something about it - to be informed consumers that FORCE them to start changing their practices. Unfortunately with the new laws going on the books re: Monsanto, that's getting much, much harder to do.
The market is all powerful.
It will do what it will do to satisfy demand.
Government can only work around the edges of that situation and they usually muck up most of what they do try to fix.
I have to agree with your implication that they don't care about our health. They exist to sell a product and make a profit. When the consumer chooses a healthy path they will provide for that path to remain profitable.
Nothing changes till then.
uh oh... we agree again.
The think we disagree on all the time is the way we approach these things. I think it's counterproductive to explain things in term of "evil corporations" and the need for government intervention. It provides a nice excuse for failure on the part of the individual. After all, they're just powerless little people up against the might of the evil corps in collusion with the government.
Not helpful.
meh, that's fair. I'm all for personal responsibility - however I also wish the government wasn't tied into corporations like Monsanto. it just makes a massive conflict of interest and removes many of the checks and balances in our system. People rely on the government for health information, and when that information is produced by the same people that owe their allegiance to Monsanto... there's an issue there.0 -
I didn't read all of the replies but another way companies get us is with the way food is packaged to look like a single serving, when in fact it's really more than that. For instance, there is a Campbell's microwaveable soup that's in a bowl-type container - so you'd think that it's a single serving. It might even tout on the label something like "only 100 calories a serving", but then the "servings per container" is actually 2. Really. Who's going to eat 1/2 of a bowl of soup? And you probably can't share it because chances are you don't have a spare bowl and who's going to want to eat your left over soup from the same bowl?0
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I recently came across two reports that made me realize how much the choices we make affect our success.
The first one I heard on NPR. It was someone talking about how we’re “hard-wired”, …we’re made to want high fat, high calorie foods (and a lot of it). Our ancestors who ate as much of those things as they could, when they could are the ones who survived. The problem is, our ancestors didn’t have the abundance of these things that we do today. My take away? Don’t start eating these things, because it’s too hard to stop (and not just because I my willpower isn’t strong enough).
The other was an article in the NY Times magazine, that discussed how food manufacturers make the food we eat. The one thing that blew my mind? There is an actual term they use, called the “bliss factor” that is the point at which a food triggers a response in your body that makes you want to keep eating. Let me repeat this…they actually create foods with the goal to make it physically more difficult to put it down.
Wow, like it isn’t hard enough for me already! What this made me realize is that I really do need to focus on the items around the perimeter of the store. I have been aware of that for a while, but these two things made the light bulb go off for me…when I eat the things that are processed, I’m making it much harder on myself than it needs to be.
And why on earth would I do that?
Yep--food scientist know that humans prefer sugar, salt and fat in that order. And ice cream, because it contains all three in abundance, is the "perfect storm" of temptation. :devil:
Abundance? Here's what I've been eating daily for awhile now. I think we have different ideas of what abundance is. I'm guessing you'll ignore the fat and sodium, even though that's 2/3rds of your argument against ice cream.
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Vegans often attribute cutting meat/dairy to any beneficial changes in their life while ignoring the fact that many also cut refined/processed carbs and sugars.It's funny because I watched forks over knives with my fiance and it really really changed our perception of everything. I've been 100% vegan and 90% raw for soon to be two years, my hypothyroidism went away proven by blood work, my acne cleared up, my hair grew faster, and I slept much better and wasn't so drained all the time after I changed my diet around. I think meat and dairy is one big conspiracy and I say this because we're not told about the high amounts of proteins we can get from beans which are also very high in fiber, we are not told about the high amounts of proteins we can get from greens such as spinach and broccoli, and yet we are constantly told that we need to eat dairy and meat to survive. I have been a full on vegetarian for almost 3 years and a vegan for soon to be 2 years and in the past and I have not gotten sick once, I'm 18...three years ago in high school I missed 26 days out of a 180 day school year because I was so sick and exhausted all the time. I am living proof of how we are brain washed to think everything backwards and how I changed my life around once I realized this.
If you notice, BOTH raw vegan and paleo dieters state incredibly positive changes to adopting the diets they have... and the ONLY thing in common is the elimination of refined/processed carbohydrates and often the introduction of more fresh/whole foods.
This indicates meat/dairy isn't the problem, but the refined/processed carbohydrate and lack of fresh/whole foods in people's diet.
This does seem to be the case. I have enjoyed unusually good health since I eliminated sugar and junky food from my diet. Weight loss is just one of the effects.0 -
this thread had so much win the first few posts! knowledge is power y'all.
Nah, this thread was win-free till this douche (me) added the tin foil hat chick. THAT was win.
The conspiracy theory may actually have some merit. I heard that Skynet sent some Monsanto reps back in time to the cave man days to get us all addicted to unhealthy foods so we'd be ripe for the picking on judgement day.
you're only right in that it's not really a conspiracy so much as it is business as usual. companies are out to make profit, and as much of it as they can, regardless of our health.
it's our job to realize this and do something about it - to be informed consumers that FORCE them to start changing their practices. Unfortunately with the new laws going on the books re: Monsanto, that's getting much, much harder to do.
The market is all powerful.
It will do what it will do to satisfy demand.
Government can only work around the edges of that situation and they usually muck up most of what they do try to fix.
I have to agree with your implication that they don't care about our health. They exist to sell a product and make a profit. When the consumer chooses a healthy path they will provide for that path to remain profitable.
Nothing changes till then.
uh oh... we agree again.
The think we disagree on all the time is the way we approach these things. I think it's counterproductive to explain things in term of "evil corporations" and the need for government intervention. It provides a nice excuse for failure on the part of the individual. After all, they're just powerless little people up against the might of the evil corps in collusion with the government.
Not helpful.
meh, that's fair. I'm all for personal responsibility - however I also wish the government wasn't tied into corporations like Monsanto. it just makes a massive conflict of interest and removes many of the checks and balances in our system. People rely on the government for health information, and when that information is produced by the same people that owe their allegiance to Monsanto... there's an issue there.
"When buying and selling are controlled by legislation, the first things to be bought and sold are legislators." P. J. O'Rourke
That's where you change needs to happen.0 -
There's no much to say about the first point, as that's a legitimate survival instinct which is actually pretty useful, (or, at least, would be if we hadn't forced such socialisation on ourselves). The second point isn't really that much of a big deal, though; companies that produce processed foods are in the business of making money, and having all of your customers go off your products is the fastest way to lose it. Making it so that people want to give you more money for what you're giving them is sort of the idea of business.0
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I didn't read all of the replies but another way companies get us is with the way food is packaged to look like a single serving, when in fact it's really more than that. For instance, there is a Campbell's microwaveable soup that's in a bowl-type container - so you'd think that it's a single serving. It might even tout on the label something like "only 100 calories a serving", but then the "servings per container" is actually 2. Really. Who's going to eat 1/2 of a bowl of soup? And you probably can't share it because chances are you don't have a spare bowl and who's going to want to eat your left over soup from the same bowl?
This is a valid point. I can understand how some say the big guns aren't forcing us to eat this food, but, knowing what they know about the impact of fat/salt/sugar in large quantities, they sure don't make it easy. They cater to the consumer while still screwing us in the long run for profit. They just do it in very sneaky ways these days.0 -
isn't it also about health? i mean not just looking good being fit....but what's going on in the insides. i.e. cancer and other diseases forming.
hey - I'm all for drinking beer and having junk once in awhile too. maybe too often after looking at my gut right now :-)
i just see far too often - people on here think about it just as how they simply look. one person could be skinny or look fit - could in fact be unhealthy on the inside.
just my 2 cents.0 -
I recently came across two reports that made me realize how much the choices we make affect our success.
The first one I heard on NPR. It was someone talking about how we’re “hard-wired”, …we’re made to want high fat, high calorie foods (and a lot of it). Our ancestors who ate as much of those things as they could, when they could are the ones who survived. The problem is, our ancestors didn’t have the abundance of these things that we do today. My take away? Don’t start eating these things, because it’s too hard to stop (and not just because I my willpower isn’t strong enough).
The other was an article in the NY Times magazine, that discussed how food manufacturers make the food we eat. The one thing that blew my mind? There is an actual term they use, called the “bliss factor” that is the point at which a food triggers a response in your body that makes you want to keep eating. Let me repeat this…they actually create foods with the goal to make it physically more difficult to put it down.
Wow, like it isn’t hard enough for me already! What this made me realize is that I really do need to focus on the items around the perimeter of the store. I have been aware of that for a while, but these two things made the light bulb go off for me…when I eat the things that are processed, I’m making it much harder on myself than it needs to be.
And why on earth would I do that?
Yep--food scientist know that humans prefer sugar, salt and fat in that order. And ice cream, because it contains all three in abundance, is the "perfect storm" of temptation. :devil:
Abundance? Here's what I've been eating daily for awhile now. I think we have different ideas of what abundance is. I'm guessing you'll ignore the fat and sodium, even though that's 2/3rds of your argument against ice cream.
everything's always about magerum... :laugh:0 -
That is not true. I eat more carbohydrates than ever with apples, bananas, mangos, melon and so forth. Carbs actually make our metabolism work faster. Dairy and meat slows down our metabolism, slows and thickens our blood flow, and makes us more fatigued.
Vegans often attribute cutting meat/dairy to any beneficial changes in their life while ignoring the fact that many also cut refined/processed carbs and sugars.It's funny because I watched forks over knives with my fiance and it really really changed our perception of everything. I've been 100% vegan and 90% raw for soon to be two years, my hypothyroidism went away proven by blood work, my acne cleared up, my hair grew faster, and I slept much better and wasn't so drained all the time after I changed my diet around. I think meat and dairy is one big conspiracy and I say this because we're not told about the high amounts of proteins we can get from beans which are also very high in fiber, we are not told about the high amounts of proteins we can get from greens such as spinach and broccoli, and yet we are constantly told that we need to eat dairy and meat to survive. I have been a full on vegetarian for almost 3 years and a vegan for soon to be 2 years and in the past and I have not gotten sick once, I'm 18...three years ago in high school I missed 26 days out of a 180 day school year because I was so sick and exhausted all the time. I am living proof of how we are brain washed to think everything backwards and how I changed my life around once I realized this.
If you notice, BOTH raw vegan and paleo dieters state incredibly positive changes to adopting the diets they have... and the ONLY thing in common is the elimination of refined/processed carbohydrates and often the introduction of more fresh/whole foods.
This indicates meat/dairy isn't the problem, but the refined/processed carbohydrate and lack of fresh/whole foods in people's diet.
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...to learn more about this "thick blood disease" that I almost certainly have from my dairy and meat consumption. (Guess I should have asked the doc to test for that in the blood work I had drawn this morning. Maybe I'll ask him about it at my next appointment...not that he'll admit to it since he's almost certainly a part of the vast big pharma conspiracy that profits by keeping me sick. (Please ignore the fact that I am and have been generally healthy with solid health markers throughout. It messes up my argument.))0 -
this thread had so much win the first few posts! knowledge is power y'all.
Nah, this thread was win-free till this douche (me) added the tin foil hat chick. THAT was win.
The conspiracy theory may actually have some merit. I heard that Skynet sent some Monsanto reps back in time to the cave man days to get us all addicted to unhealthy foods so we'd be ripe for the picking on judgement day.
you're only right in that it's not really a conspiracy so much as it is business as usual. companies are out to make profit, and as much of it as they can, regardless of our health.
it's our job to realize this and do something about it - to be informed consumers that FORCE them to start changing their practices. Unfortunately with the new laws going on the books re: Monsanto, that's getting much, much harder to do.
The market is all powerful.
It will do what it will do to satisfy demand.
Government can only work around the edges of that situation and they usually muck up most of what they do try to fix.
I have to agree with your implication that they don't care about our health. They exist to sell a product and make a profit. When the consumer chooses a healthy path they will provide for that path to remain profitable.
Nothing changes till then.
uh oh... we agree again.
The think we disagree on all the time is the way we approach these things. I think it's counterproductive to explain things in term of "evil corporations" and the need for government intervention. It provides a nice excuse for failure on the part of the individual. After all, they're just powerless little people up against the might of the evil corps in collusion with the government.
Not helpful.
meh, that's fair. I'm all for personal responsibility - however I also wish the government wasn't tied into corporations like Monsanto. it just makes a massive conflict of interest and removes many of the checks and balances in our system. People rely on the government for health information, and when that information is produced by the same people that owe their allegiance to Monsanto... there's an issue there.
"When buying and selling are controlled by legislation, the first things to be bought and sold are legislators." P. J. O'Rourke
That's where you change needs to happen.
thus why lobbying needs to stop0 -
Every manufacturer of everything seeks to make their product more appealing to the consumer. Duh!
Tin hat nonsense does not relieve YOU of the responsibility for everything you put in your mouth. BS like this is soaked up by people who would rather subscribe to mindless conspiracy theories than actually engage their brains or their self control.
It looks like Chicken Little is wearing a Hershey's Kiss if you ask me.
Wouldn't that be so cool if Hershey's Kisses were falling???0 -
isn't it also about health? i mean not just looking good being fit....but what's going on in the insides. i.e. cancer and other diseases forming.
hey - I'm all for drinking beer and having junk once in awhile too. maybe too often after looking at my gut right now :-)
i just see far too often - people on here think about it just as how they simply look. one person could be skinny or look fit - could in fact be unhealthy on the inside.
just my 2 cents.
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I agree that portion size is a problem. What my husband considers a portion is twice what I consider a portion. He'll eat half a bag of "low fat" pretzels, and I'll say, "There's 14 servings per bag, you just ate 7 servings while playing online poker , do the goddamn math". --- Sad because he is 64, 5 ft.8, 230 lbs, insulin-dependent diabetic with neuropathy, balance problems, chronic bronchitis and sinus infections. ALL the men in his family are either diabetic or have cancer, except for the unlucky few who have both. He thinks he doesn't have that many years left, so he may as well do as he likes and call it quality of life.0
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I recently came across two reports that made me realize how much the choices we make affect our success.
The first one I heard on NPR. It was someone talking about how we’re “hard-wired”, …we’re made to want high fat, high calorie foods (and a lot of it). Our ancestors who ate as much of those things as they could, when they could are the ones who survived. The problem is, our ancestors didn’t have the abundance of these things that we do today. My take away? Don’t start eating these things, because it’s too hard to stop (and not just because I my willpower isn’t strong enough).
The other was an article in the NY Times magazine, that discussed how food manufacturers make the food we eat. The one thing that blew my mind? There is an actual term they use, called the “bliss factor” that is the point at which a food triggers a response in your body that makes you want to keep eating. Let me repeat this…they actually create foods with the goal to make it physically more difficult to put it down.
Wow, like it isn’t hard enough for me already! What this made me realize is that I really do need to focus on the items around the perimeter of the store. I have been aware of that for a while, but these two things made the light bulb go off for me…when I eat the things that are processed, I’m making it much harder on myself than it needs to be.
And why on earth would I do that?
Yep--food scientist know that humans prefer sugar, salt and fat in that order. And ice cream, because it contains all three in abundance, is the "perfect storm" of temptation. :devil:
Abundance? Here's what I've been eating daily for awhile now. I think we have different ideas of what abundance is. I'm guessing you'll ignore the fat and sodium, even though that's 2/3rds of your argument against ice cream.
everything's always about magerum... :laugh:
Naw, I just don't like people senselessly vilifying food. Speaking of which I'm going to be in NYC, on 5th across from the park, for a week or so. Want to go grab some pop tarts?
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