No, I'm not a feminist
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So many misconceptions about feminism
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"Smashing the gender binary." is my way way of stating that I promote equal rights, for men, women, and transgender individuals. It's about not splitting males and females into gender roles and removing social boundaries, not pretending that men and women have no differences. The gender binary basically puts forward the notion that men and women are opposites and should have certain "roles", which is wrong. Check out the links that I posted earlier in the thread about sexual dimorphism and gender binary. They're not at all the same thing.Hey, being a feminist is awesome. It's all about smashing the gender binary and just celebrating humankind (at least, to me).
Speak for yourself. Smashing gender binary is *not* my goal at all. To me, feminism means equal rights, not pretending that men and women have no differences.0 -
What... do you think feminism is, exactly?0
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I disagree. Dan was more obese than Rosanne.Has anyone else noticed that in TV/movies there can be a "fat" man with a "normal" woman (I can't remember the name of the sitcom but it was a small brunette woman with a big guy), two "fat" people together (i.e. Mike and Molly), or two "normal" people together (every other show/movie ever made)? Something is missing... I guess media people don't think it's believable for a "normal" guy to be with a "fat" woman.
Just saying.
I wouldn't say Dan was a normal weight but he wasn't as obese as Roseanne. Love her.0 -
I think you can read in to stuff like this all day long and it'll eventually drive you nuts. Where are the shows where the fat guy is with the skinny girl because she loves him and he's an all around great guy, not because he's a funny, bumbling idiot she seems to pity? In fact, where are the shows where are the shows where the husband isn't a complete idiot and the wife is a screw up?0
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"So here is the quick way of working out if you're a feminist. Put your hand in your pants.
a) Do you have a vagina? and
b) Do you want to be in charge of it?
If you said 'yes' to both, then congratulations! You're a feminist.”
― Caitlin Moran, How to Be a Woman
^^ This is how I view feminism.0 -
"So here is the quick way of working out if you're a feminist. Put your hand in your pants.
a) Do you have a vagina? and
b) Do you want to be in charge of it?
If you said 'yes' to both, then congratulations! You're a feminist.”
― Caitlin Moran, How to Be a Woman
^^ This is how I view feminism.
I like this a lot, but! You don't have to be a woman to be a feminist! You also don't have to have a vagina to be a woman! (I mean, I know that the quote was mostly directed towards biological women and that's great, but I just felt like I should point those other things out.)
Feminism has a negative connotation still and it really shouldn't because it is a GOOD THING. Every woman should be a feminist. Every HUMAN should be a feminist.0 -
Back in the late 90s or early 2000s, Days of Our Lives had an actress who was quite a bit overweight married to a very buff doctor. Her weight wasn't mentioned at all.
The only thing I find remotely uncomfortable about this is the admission that I watched Days of Our Lives in the late 90s or early 2000s.
If it makes you feel better, back in the 90s it was the same deal with Tracy Abbott and Brad Carlton on Young and the Restless! Of course Tracy lives in New York now and is still overweight and Brad is dead (for now, until he comes back as a zombie or a ghost or an evil twin) so the moral of this story is hot guys don't date fat chicks on tv or you will die... or something like that...0 -
I'd take it a step further: gorgeous, thin, smart women, with fat, and seemingly dumb men seems to be the new norm. The days of Father Knows Best, Leave it to Beaver, The Brady Bunch, Eight is Enough... are over. Men are portrayed as lovable, chubby goofs in many shows now.Has anyone else noticed that in TV/movies there can be a "fat" man with a "normal" woman (I can't remember the name of the sitcom but it was a small brunette woman with a big guy), two "fat" people together (i.e. Mike and Molly), or two "normal" people together (every other show/movie ever made)? Something is missing... I guess media people don't think it's believable for a "normal" guy to be with a "fat" woman.
Just saying.
PS: I AM a feminist.
I have despised how a lot of men are portrayed in TV sitcoms. The most egregious depiction being Tim Allen in "Home Improvement."
I agree. In defense of men, not all men burn the house down when trying to cook, diaper the wrong end of a baby or spit and stammer when trying to talk to their young daughters. Men get a bad wrap in sitcoms as well.0 -
Back in the late 90s or early 2000s, Days of Our Lives had an actress who was quite a bit overweight married to a very buff doctor. Her weight wasn't mentioned at all.
The only thing I find remotely uncomfortable about this is the admission that I watched Days of Our Lives in the late 90s or early 2000s.
YEAH..Chloes mom!! She's back on now! LOL I STILL watch, don't hate
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I think all these women should shut up & one of 'em make me a sammich!
LOL yes!
Okay, it was a lousy attempt at trolling, or lightening the mood!0 -
I'd take it a step further: gorgeous, thin, smart women, with fat, and seemingly dumb men seems to be the new norm. The days of Father Knows Best, Leave it to Beaver, The Brady Bunch, Eight is Enough... are over. Men are portrayed as lovable, chubby goofs in many shows now.Has anyone else noticed that in TV/movies there can be a "fat" man with a "normal" woman (I can't remember the name of the sitcom but it was a small brunette woman with a big guy), two "fat" people together (i.e. Mike and Molly), or two "normal" people together (every other show/movie ever made)? Something is missing... I guess media people don't think it's believable for a "normal" guy to be with a "fat" woman.
Just saying.
PS: I AM a feminist.
I have despised how a lot of men are portrayed in TV sitcoms. The most egregious depiction being Tim Allen in "Home Improvement."
So...you despise the depiction of your gender in media as a bumbling idiot or one dimensional stereotype? Congratulations! You're a Masculinist!0 -
I think you can read in to stuff like this all day long and it'll eventually drive you nuts. Where are the shows where the fat guy is with the skinny girl because she loves him and he's an all around great guy, not because he's a funny, bumbling idiot she seems to pity? In fact, where are the shows where are the shows where the husband isn't a complete idiot and the wife is a screw up?
aaaaaaaand the 2nd Masculinist!0 -
I apologize if this is innappropriate, but, I missed the part where TV is an accurate portrayal of real life. I'm sorry, I thought it was all made up and for entertainment.0
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I think you can read in to stuff like this all day long and it'll eventually drive you nuts. Where are the shows where the fat guy is with the skinny girl because she loves him and he's an all around great guy, not because he's a funny, bumbling idiot she seems to pity? In fact, where are the shows where are the shows where the husband isn't a complete idiot and the wife is a screw up?
aaaaaaaand the 2nd Masculinist!
I think the term you're looking for is Men's Rights Activist which ACTUALLY exists if you can believe it.0 -
I'd take it a step further: gorgeous, thin, smart women, with fat, and seemingly dumb men seems to be the new norm. The days of Father Knows Best, Leave it to Beaver, The Brady Bunch, Eight is Enough... are over. Men are portrayed as lovable, chubby goofs in many shows now.Has anyone else noticed that in TV/movies there can be a "fat" man with a "normal" woman (I can't remember the name of the sitcom but it was a small brunette woman with a big guy), two "fat" people together (i.e. Mike and Molly), or two "normal" people together (every other show/movie ever made)? Something is missing... I guess media people don't think it's believable for a "normal" guy to be with a "fat" woman.
Just saying.
PS: I AM a feminist.
I have despised how a lot of men are portrayed in TV sitcoms. The most egregious depiction being Tim Allen in "Home Improvement."
I agree. In defense of men, not all men burn the house down when trying to cook, diaper the wrong end of a baby or spit and stammer when trying to talk to their young daughters. Men get a bad wrap in sitcoms as well.
aaaaaaaaaaand the 3rd and it wasn't even a man! Okay so consensus? Feminism and masculinism are for everyone? All in favor say Aye!
[p.s. I will take the vote after I get my hands out of my pants since I am still testing myself for feminism, and there's no rushing these things.]0 -
I'd take it a step further: gorgeous, thin, smart women, with fat, and seemingly dumb men seems to be the new norm. The days of Father Knows Best, Leave it to Beaver, The Brady Bunch, Eight is Enough... are over. Men are portrayed as lovable, chubby goofs in many shows now.Has anyone else noticed that in TV/movies there can be a "fat" man with a "normal" woman (I can't remember the name of the sitcom but it was a small brunette woman with a big guy), two "fat" people together (i.e. Mike and Molly), or two "normal" people together (every other show/movie ever made)? Something is missing... I guess media people don't think it's believable for a "normal" guy to be with a "fat" woman.
Just saying.
PS: I AM a feminist.
I have despised how a lot of men are portrayed in TV sitcoms. The most egregious depiction being Tim Allen in "Home Improvement."
I agree. In defense of men, not all men burn the house down when trying to cook, diaper the wrong end of a baby or spit and stammer when trying to talk to their young daughters. Men get a bad wrap in sitcoms as well.
I think sitcoms are stupid, in general. But I have to disagree about the Tim Allen character. I know *way* too many men that are "Tim Allen" to a tee. :laugh:0 -
I agree that there is this interesting double standard in the media that allows for a chubbier male character to date or marry the hollywood ideal of a woman and yet not portray women of an "unideal" weight as someone able to "get" a man embodying typical societal expectations of attractiveness.
On topic, there was an interesting episode of Girls this season in which Lena Dunham's character has a brief affair with a separated doctor played by Patrick Wilson. If you have ever watched the show or even know anything about it you have probably gathered that most of Dunham's sexual encounters have been awkward and unsettling. However, in this episode she has these moments with Wilson that is some of the most tender and intimate that has been seen on the show, and many critics on the internet wrote it off as unrealistic - that a woman like Lena Dunham (who is by no means very over-weight or all that unattractive) could never "get" a man like Patrick Wilson. I think, more interesting than the episode itself is the critics response to this almost conventional idea of younger woman- older divorced guy could be rendered unbelievable just by the Lena's looks which don't seem to hold up to some unnatural standard. Anyways, food for thought.0 -
I apologize if this is innappropriate, but, I missed the part where TV is an accurate portrayal of real life. I'm sorry, I thought it was all made up and for entertainment.
That's just crazy talk, next you'll be saying that reality tv isn't actually real! ;-)0 -
I apologize if this is innappropriate, but, I missed the part where TV is an accurate portrayal of real life. I'm sorry, I thought it was all made up and for entertainment.
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I apologize if this is innappropriate, but, I missed the part where TV is an accurate portrayal of real life. I'm sorry, I thought it was all made up and for entertainment.
That's just crazy talk, next you'll be saying that reality tv isn't actually real! ;-)
Lol! Of course it's real, the tv wouldn't lie to us, right!?0 -
oh, I'm sorry. I didn't realize this had turned into a thread about who is feminist and what feminism is.
my bad.
Mention the very word "feminism" on a MFP thread and this is exactly what you get. Pure entertainment.
Just as discussing kids and exercise gets the "OMG you're committing child abuse" vs. "I'm sending my 3 yo to basic training and she's fighting in death combat next week" discussion. For the record, I lean toward the latter.0 -
I think you can read in to stuff like this all day long and it'll eventually drive you nuts. Where are the shows where the fat guy is with the skinny girl because she loves him and he's an all around great guy, not because he's a funny, bumbling idiot she seems to pity? In fact, where are the shows where are the shows where the husband isn't a complete idiot and the wife is a screw up?
aaaaaaaand the 2nd Masculinist!
I think the term you're looking for is Men's Rights Activist which ACTUALLY exists if you can believe it.
I want to believe.0 -
What about Sheldon and Amy on Big Bang? She's not model skinny like Penny. He's definitely a skinny guy.
Totally love the show.0 -
I love women, and I think that everybody deserves equal treatment before the law."So here is the quick way of working out if you're a feminist. Put your hand in your pants.
a) Do you have a vagina? and
b) Do you want to be in charge of it?
If you said 'yes' to both, then congratulations! You're a feminist.”
― Caitlin Moran, How to Be a Woman
^^ This is how I view feminism.
I like this a lot, but! You don't have to be a woman to be a feminist! You also don't have to have a vagina to be a woman! (I mean, I know that the quote was mostly directed towards biological women and that's great, but I just felt like I should point those other things out.)
Feminism has a negative connotation still and it really shouldn't because it is a GOOD THING. Every woman should be a feminist. Every HUMAN should be a feminist.
The reason I'm uncomfortable with the feminist label is that the feminist movement has been invaded by collectivists who are attempting to use feminism to further their own goals instead of the goals of equal treatment. It seems to me that feminism has become less about equality and more about special treatment.0 -
I apologize if this is innappropriate, but, I missed the part where TV is an accurate portrayal of real life. I'm sorry, I thought it was all made up and for entertainment.
That's just crazy talk, next you'll be saying that reality tv isn't actually real! ;-)
Lol! Of course it's real, the tv wouldn't lie to us, right!?
mmmmmmm tv....teacher, mother, secret lover...
truer words were never spoken (incidently by a fat guy with a skinny hot wife - or as hot as you can be with yellow skin and blue hair!)0 -
I love women, and I think that everybody deserves equal treatment before the law."So here is the quick way of working out if you're a feminist. Put your hand in your pants.
a) Do you have a vagina? and
b) Do you want to be in charge of it?
If you said 'yes' to both, then congratulations! You're a feminist.”
― Caitlin Moran, How to Be a Woman
^^ This is how I view feminism.
I like this a lot, but! You don't have to be a woman to be a feminist! You also don't have to have a vagina to be a woman! (I mean, I know that the quote was mostly directed towards biological women and that's great, but I just felt like I should point those other things out.)
Feminism has a negative connotation still and it really shouldn't because it is a GOOD THING. Every woman should be a feminist. Every HUMAN should be a feminist.
The reason I'm uncomfortable with the feminist label is that the feminist movement has been invaded by collectivists who are attempting to use feminism to further their own goals instead of the goals of equal treatment. It seems to me that feminism has become less about equality and more about special treatment.
So true! The collectivists *love* to talk about equality while at the same time advocating preferential treatment.0 -
"So here is the quick way of working out if you're a feminist. Put your hand in your pants.
a) Do you have a vagina? and
b) Do you want to be in charge of it?
If you said 'yes' to both, then congratulations! You're a feminist.”
― Caitlin Moran, How to Be a Woman
^^ This is how I view feminism.
I like this a lot, but! You don't have to be a woman to be a feminist! You also don't have to have a vagina to be a woman! (I mean, I know that the quote was mostly directed towards biological women and that's great, but I just felt like I should point those other things out.)
Feminism has a negative connotation still and it really shouldn't because it is a GOOD THING. Every woman should be a feminist. Every HUMAN should be a feminist.
oy... :huh:0 -
"So here is the quick way of working out if you're a feminist. Put your hand in your pants.
a) Do you have a vagina? and
b) Do you want to be in charge of it?
If you said 'yes' to both, then congratulations! You're a feminist.”
― Caitlin Moran, How to Be a Woman
:laugh: :laugh: :laugh:0 -
Yup it's called media image it isnt fair but life's not fair. It pretty much sucks. Why is is wrong to be a feminist? Why is it wrong to be thought of as a *gasp human and want equal pay?
Don't let it phase you though in real life you see big girls w/ normal weight guys...thats how all my relationships have been.0
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