Is Your State Making You Fat???

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  • mycrobemini
    mycrobemini Posts: 122 Member

    Wait, what? Your research was overlapping a map of pollution vs obesity, how does this equal pollution influences obesity? That's the research I want to see. A map of two independant studies doesn't mean that. Maybe I'm missing some concrete scientific research that was linked in that post, if so I apologize, otherwise your research is completely inconclusive, it's a hypothesis.

    Excuse me if this sounds a little condescending, but that's what science is.

    Proving something based on data that other people wouldn't necessarily put together.
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    No. That's called theorizing, or the creation of a hypothesis. Science requires you to prove your hypothesis in a systematic way, such that others could replicate your data and conclusions.
  • TheWiseCat
    TheWiseCat Posts: 297
    I thought science was for giving monkeys prolonged erections?

    No, that is misuse of a federally regulated pharmaceutical

    So you not only hate people with STDs, but monkeys too?

    Excuse me, but I never said that I hate people with STDs. I just realize a logical link when I see one, ie STDs >>> pollution >>> obesity.

    Also, I am all for protecting monkeys. the FDA should keep a better eye on Viagra distribution.

    But this is straying from the actual topic, which is obesity/pollution link and now whether smoking and or STDs really play a role.

    Lets give 10 hot skinny people Herpes and see if they get fat?

    Edit: I volunteer to distribute it to our female test subjects
  • iWaffle
    iWaffle Posts: 2,208 Member
    I can't believe so many people are jumping down my throat just for sharing some simple research.

    I'm starting to think there are a lot of mean people here.

    People aren't mean, they just get frustrated at faulty logic and poor data analysis skills. Especially when the flaw in their logic gets pointed out repeatedly, and is repeatedly ignored.


    This isn't faulty logic. There are quite a few studies on this subject and it's one that scientist have been discussing as one of the major causes of modern obesity.

    POLLUTED AIR INCREASES OBESITY RISK IN YOUNG ANIMALS
    COLUMBUS, Ohio -- Exposure to polluted air early in life led to an accumulation of abdominal fat and insulin resistance in mice even if they ate a normal diet, according to new research.

    http://researchnews.osu.edu/archive/obeseair.htm
    Two New Reasons to Worry about Air Pollution: Obesity and Diabetes
    even after controlling for factors such as genetics, income levels, weight, diet and exercise, Harvard researchers found a “consistent and significant” relationship between Type II diabetes prevalence and exposure to fine particulate matter in a recent study.

    http://www.forbes.com/sites/amywestervelt/2011/10/10/two-new-reasons-to-worry-about-air-pollution-obesity-and-diabetes/
  • TheWiseCat
    TheWiseCat Posts: 297
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  • Cr01502
    Cr01502 Posts: 3,614 Member
    I am currently in MO but just moved there from KS!

    Aren't they just the same state?
  • 1ConcreteGirl
    1ConcreteGirl Posts: 3,677 Member
    I can't believe so many people are jumping down my throat just for sharing some simple research.

    I'm starting to think there are a lot of mean people here.

    People aren't mean, they just get frustrated at faulty logic and poor data analysis skills. Especially when the flaw in their logic gets pointed out repeatedly, and is repeatedly ignored.


    This isn't faulty logic. There are quite a few studies on this subject and it's one that scientist have been discussing as one of the major causes of modern obesity.

    POLLUTED AIR INCREASES OBESITY RISK IN YOUNG ANIMALS
    COLUMBUS, Ohio -- Exposure to polluted air early in life led to an accumulation of abdominal fat and insulin resistance in mice even if they ate a normal diet, according to new research.

    http://researchnews.osu.edu/archive/obeseair.htm
    Two New Reasons to Worry about Air Pollution: Obesity and Diabetes
    even after controlling for factors such as genetics, income levels, weight, diet and exercise, Harvard researchers found a “consistent and significant” relationship between Type II diabetes prevalence and exposure to fine particulate matter in a recent study.

    http://www.forbes.com/sites/amywestervelt/2011/10/10/two-new-reasons-to-worry-about-air-pollution-obesity-and-diabetes/

    Thank you so much. I had some similar studies on tap, but it looks like people are just dismissing this out of hand, which is a real shame.
  • JaneDough_
    JaneDough_ Posts: 301 Member
    You haven't been to China, have you......
  • TheWiseCat
    TheWiseCat Posts: 297
    I can't believe so many people are jumping down my throat just for sharing some simple research.

    I'm starting to think there are a lot of mean people here.

    People aren't mean, they just get frustrated at faulty logic and poor data analysis skills. Especially when the flaw in their logic gets pointed out repeatedly, and is repeatedly ignored.


    This isn't faulty logic. There are quite a few studies on this subject and it's one that scientist have been discussing as one of the major causes of modern obesity.

    POLLUTED AIR INCREASES OBESITY RISK IN YOUNG ANIMALS
    COLUMBUS, Ohio -- Exposure to polluted air early in life led to an accumulation of abdominal fat and insulin resistance in mice even if they ate a normal diet, according to new research.

    http://researchnews.osu.edu/archive/obeseair.htm
    Two New Reasons to Worry about Air Pollution: Obesity and Diabetes
    even after controlling for factors such as genetics, income levels, weight, diet and exercise, Harvard researchers found a “consistent and significant” relationship between Type II diabetes prevalence and exposure to fine particulate matter in a recent study.

    http://www.forbes.com/sites/amywestervelt/2011/10/10/two-new-reasons-to-worry-about-air-pollution-obesity-and-diabetes/

    Thank you so much. I had some similar studies on tap, but it looks like people are just dismissing this out of hand, which is a real shame.

    If it's true, then fine particulate dust makes us fat.

    I just did research and found this: http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/11494340

    It talks about concrete FINE PARTICULATE DUST damaging the lungs.

    Your username is concrete girl.

    Therefore, you are the cause of obesity. You destroy lungs, destroy lives, give diabetes and give DEATH!

    OBESITY MONGER!

    /thread
  • Afura
    Afura Posts: 2,054 Member

    Wait, what? Your research was overlapping a map of pollution vs obesity, how does this equal pollution influences obesity? That's the research I want to see. A map of two independant studies doesn't mean that. Maybe I'm missing some concrete scientific research that was linked in that post, if so I apologize, otherwise your research is completely inconclusive, it's a hypothesis.

    Excuse me if this sounds a little condescending, but that's what science is.

    Proving something based on data that other people wouldn't necessarily put together.

    No. That's called theorizing, or the creation of a hypothesis. Science requires you to prove your hypothesis in a systematic way, such that others could replicate your data and conclusions.
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    This^^
    A hypothesis is (according to Mirriam Webster):
    1 a: an assumption or concession made for the sake of argument
    b: an interpretation of a practical situation or condition taken as the ground for action

    2: a tentative assumption made in order to draw out and test its logical or empirical consequences

    You have made an assumption that the fact that there are several states that have obesity and pollution issues that overlap, that pollution may have a cause or role on obesity in the United States.

    To validate those points you have:
    Shown the scientific research that shows obesity levels in the United States.
    Shown the scientific research that shows pollution levels in the United States.

    To validate with proof of how pollution causes obesity:
    ???

    In conclusion:
    ???

    You have made a very thoughtful hypothesis, but where is the research to back up the hypothesis. Just because the maps match up in several states doesn't make this hard fact, WHY does pollution cause obesity? Who what where when why?
  • 1ConcreteGirl
    1ConcreteGirl Posts: 3,677 Member

    You have made a very thoughtful hypothesis, but where is the research to back up the hypothesis. Just because the maps match up in several states doesn't make this hard fact, WHY does pollution cause obesity? Who what where when why?

    Who: people
    What: affected by obesity
    Where: the United States
    When: Present day America
    Why: Because pollution
  • TheWiseCat
    TheWiseCat Posts: 297

    You have made a very thoughtful hypothesis, but where is the research to back up the hypothesis. Just because the maps match up in several states doesn't make this hard fact, WHY does pollution cause obesity? Who what where when why?

    Who: people
    What: affected by obesity
    Where: the United States
    When: Present day America
    Why: Because pollution

    Excuse me. I already ended the thread when I proved that you were the cause of obesity in the world.
  • 1ConcreteGirl
    1ConcreteGirl Posts: 3,677 Member

    You have made a very thoughtful hypothesis, but where is the research to back up the hypothesis. Just because the maps match up in several states doesn't make this hard fact, WHY does pollution cause obesity? Who what where when why?

    Who: people
    What: affected by obesity
    Where: the United States
    When: Present day America
    Why: Because pollution

    Excuse me. I already ended the thread when I proved that you were the cause of obesity in the world.

    I know you were just trying to be silly, which is fine, but I am actually trying to have a serious discussion about things that matter.
  • TheWiseCat
    TheWiseCat Posts: 297

    You have made a very thoughtful hypothesis, but where is the research to back up the hypothesis. Just because the maps match up in several states doesn't make this hard fact, WHY does pollution cause obesity? Who what where when why?

    Who: people
    What: affected by obesity
    Where: the United States
    When: Present day America
    Why: Because pollution

    Excuse me. I already ended the thread when I proved that you were the cause of obesity in the world.

    I know you were just trying to be silly, which is fine, but I am actually trying to have a serious discussion about things that matter.

    Since when is diabetes a laughing matter?

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  • geekyjock76
    geekyjock76 Posts: 2,720 Member
    I'm moving to the first state that can wrap bacon around smog and deep fry it.
  • ggxx100
    ggxx100 Posts: 520 Member
    You make a good point, but it doesn't seem to apply to the rest of the world...

    Some of the cities I've been to internationally had extremely high pollution rates yet have obesity rates than are lower than the "skinny" states of America.

    Suppose it's a combination of culture here as well as the environment.

    For example Seoul-quite polluted. However I don't remember seeing one overweight person, let alone obese.
  • Afura
    Afura Posts: 2,054 Member

    You have made a very thoughtful hypothesis, but where is the research to back up the hypothesis. Just because the maps match up in several states doesn't make this hard fact, WHY does pollution cause obesity? Who what where when why?

    Who: people
    What: affected by obesity
    Where: the United States
    When: Present day America
    Why: Because pollution
    "Thank you so much. I had some similar studies on tap, but it looks like people are just dismissing this out of hand, which is a real shame.
    Thanks iWaffle for actually posting scientific research that apparently the OP felt they should keep on tap instead of producing as means of qualifying their hypothesis.
  • TigerPawsSC
    TigerPawsSC Posts: 20 Member
    This is the sort of "research" that gives research a bad name.

    There's this truism about correlation and causation. The OP should "research" it.
  • ILiftHeavyAcrylics
    ILiftHeavyAcrylics Posts: 27,732 Member
    Now I understand that moving from Arkansas in Georgia is what caused me to lose weight, not exercising and limiting calories.
  • ggxx100
    ggxx100 Posts: 520 Member
    This is the sort of "research" that gives research a bad name.

    There's this truism about correlation and causation. The OP should "research" it.

    This ^
  • dedicated2014
    dedicated2014 Posts: 36 Member
    This is the sort of "research" that gives research a bad name.

    There's this truism about correlation and causation. The OP should "research" it.

    THIS
  • TheWiseCat
    TheWiseCat Posts: 297
    This is the sort of "research" that gives research a bad name.

    There's this truism about correlation and causation. The OP should "research" it.

    This ^

    ^ This kind of inability to properly analyze an obvious situation is why I have no faith in the future of humanity.
  • ggxx100
    ggxx100 Posts: 520 Member
    This is the sort of "research" that gives research a bad name.

    There's this truism about correlation and causation. The OP should "research" it.

    This ^

    ^ This kind of inability to properly analyze an obvious situation is why I have no faith in the future of humanity.

    Sigh.

    You simply can't take such on "obvious" situation and come to such a broad conclusion. Her "research" fails to acknowledge individual causalities. Maybe it's not just pollution. Perhaps its because pollution occurs in industrial areas, which happen to have higher poverty rates, which in turn is the cause of obesity because of lack of funds to buy nutritious foods beyond McDondalds. Was the fact that there was pollution in the air the cause of obesity then? No, it was the circumstances that are sometimes parallel to pollution that caused it.

    1+1 does not always equal 2.
  • TheWiseCat
    TheWiseCat Posts: 297
    This is the sort of "research" that gives research a bad name.

    There's this truism about correlation and causation. The OP should "research" it.

    This ^

    ^ This kind of inability to properly analyze an obvious situation is why I have no faith in the future of humanity.

    Sigh.

    You simply can't take such on "obvious" situation and come to such a broad conclusion. Her "research" fails to acknowledge individual causalities. Maybe it's not just pollution. Perhaps its because pollution occurs in industrial areas, which happen to have higher poverty rates, which in turn is the cause of obesity because of lack of funds to buy nutritious foods beyond McDondalds. Was the fact that there was pollution in the air the cause of obesity then? No, it was the circumstances that are sometimes parallel to pollution that caused it.

    1+1 does not always equal 2.

    Your continued inability to recognize the obvious fills me with both joyous laughter and sickening dismay.
  • HeidiCooksSupper
    HeidiCooksSupper Posts: 3,839 Member
    It's very good of you to look into reason that are making people fat. However, you'd need to do some further research to prove that the two are linked, and that in fact the air pollution is causing the obesity (and not the obese people taking a car causing pollution for example). There are also a number of reasons which could cause both, or it might be coincidence. You might want to look at specific area's. For example, are people who live next to the freeway fatter than those who live further away?

    I'm not saying you're wrong, I'm just saying that your research so far does not warrant saying that air pollution (let alone your state) is making you fat. It'd be very premature to move before doing further research.

    But it would be good enough for Dr. Oz's next earth shattering announcement.:frown:
  • TheWiseCat
    TheWiseCat Posts: 297
    http://www.voxeu.org/article/overweight-adolescents-and-risky-sexual-behaviour

    They state obesity causes higher frequencies of backdoor sex and STDs. I think it's the other way around. First comes the backdoor, then the STDs, then the obesity from STDs. So obviously, the way to cure obesity is to encourage frontdoor sex instead of abstinence, which would also explain why democrats have lower incidents of obesity.
  • ggxx100
    ggxx100 Posts: 520 Member
    This is the sort of "research" that gives research a bad name.

    There's this truism about correlation and causation. The OP should "research" it.

    This ^

    ^ This kind of inability to properly analyze an obvious situation is why I have no faith in the future of humanity.

    Sigh.

    You simply can't take such on "obvious" situation and come to such a broad conclusion. Her "research" fails to acknowledge individual causalities. Maybe it's not just pollution. Perhaps its because pollution occurs in industrial areas, which happen to have higher poverty rates, which in turn is the cause of obesity because of lack of funds to buy nutritious foods beyond McDondalds. Was the fact that there was pollution in the air the cause of obesity then? No, it was the circumstances that are sometimes parallel to pollution that caused it.

    1+1 does not always equal 2.

    Your continued inability to recognize the obvious fills me with both joyous laughter and sickening dismay.

    You need a cupcake.

    Red velvet? I'll add extra frosting.


    Quite cute how you're defending OP, though. You may give the online dating world a new success story.
  • Raybug0903
    Raybug0903 Posts: 86 Member
    I live in south Louisiana, where the most delicious food in the country is, so it's no wonder that LA ranks in one of the highest. Visit here and you'll understand...

    Anyway, the only thinking really making us fat is choosing to eat too much of the wrong things and not exercising enough. I's not exclusive to every single person living in their respective state.
  • TheWiseCat
    TheWiseCat Posts: 297
    This is the sort of "research" that gives research a bad name.

    There's this truism about correlation and causation. The OP should "research" it.

    This ^

    ^ This kind of inability to properly analyze an obvious situation is why I have no faith in the future of humanity.

    Sigh.

    You simply can't take such on "obvious" situation and come to such a broad conclusion. Her "research" fails to acknowledge individual causalities. Maybe it's not just pollution. Perhaps its because pollution occurs in industrial areas, which happen to have higher poverty rates, which in turn is the cause of obesity because of lack of funds to buy nutritious foods beyond McDondalds. Was the fact that there was pollution in the air the cause of obesity then? No, it was the circumstances that are sometimes parallel to pollution that caused it.

    1+1 does not always equal 2.

    Your continued inability to recognize the obvious fills me with both joyous laughter and sickening dismay.

    You need a cupcake.

    Red velvet? I'll add extra frosting.


    Quite cute how you're defending OP, though. You may give the online dating world a new success story.

    I never said I was defending her. You assumed that. I also don't date girls online. People online are crazy.
  • Ladywindchaser
    Ladywindchaser Posts: 44 Member
    The only thing or person to blame for being over weight is ONE'S SELF!!!!!!!!!
  • tlab827
    tlab827 Posts: 155 Member
    It looks like it's Republicans that make you fat. Or are fat. Or something. It's probably because they go to church more and church ladies are always making delicious things with cool whip.

    Dont forget the jello, cool whip AND jello.

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