Fat shaming in the media
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I just wanted to throw it out there that my mother is fat because she had cancer.
Let me say that again--My mother had cancer. They cut her open and took out a good portion of her intestine. She's been dealing with the effects for the past 38 years.
And you're going to shame her because you think she's fat? You're going to say it's her fault?0 -
I didn't read the link--BUT, I think guilt and shame are seriously underrated in today's society--and I also believe the denial/ignoring-downplaying of guilt and shame in today's society (in so many areas of life, especially with the epidemic of obesity in our nation and other nations too) are also a major cause of many (if not most) of our society's ills and woes. I also believe that the lack of guilt and shame about how we live, being replaced by the ever popular and sought after "good" self-esteem, political correctness and this is what I want and I want it now... if it feels good, do it--no matter what anyone else thinks or feels mentality--is going to be the ultimate destruction of our society....
:ohwell: :indifferent:
Everyone is entitled to their opinions, opinions are like noses...everyone has one or should--this is my opinion
Preach it! QFT
I agree, you're all winners let me star your foreheads does nothing to build character.
*instead of whining about it does anyone here have ideas for solutions?0 -
I am going to assume you are not someone who flings abuse at other, I do not know you but I'm assuming this.
You are right, it is up to me the victim to just take it and be silent. I should never fight back, shouldn't stand my ground because I'd be dropping to the other persons level how terrible.Well considering some of those radical right wings have used the exact same shaming techniques on abortion and homosexuality, I find it repulsive and it makes we want to get more fat and take a giant dump on all their stupid faces.
Well aren't you the epitome of progressive enlightenment?
So you'd say be nice to those flinging abuse at you?
That has been the "Golden Rule" for quiet a long time. If you choose to be bitter that is on you. I'm not going to delve into the politics of this ridiculous statement.
No. I will fight back, defend myself, protect myself. It is NOT up to the victim to be a better person just because it might offend the abuser. Thats not how it works. Thats not reality. I do not have to give a **** about the feelings of people out to hurt me.
Ooook......and I'll try to make sure I, as a right winger, don't upset you. Geez, how did this come up again? Are you talking politics or fat shaming?
My response may startle you or seem aggressive but my point still stands, no matter what the area, if someone is rude, if someone is hurtful, if someone is abusive, it is not the victims responsibility to be nice.
I'm not talking politics I am talking tactics. No matter what side you stand on, your methods, your tactics are the selling point, if your tactics are to attack and shame then you can bet I won't think well on you.
No matter what your beliefs are does not matter as long as you do not step all over others as a way to enforce them.
If you step on me I will hit you.
Every single post I have seen from you on this thread has been aggressive, extremely biased, and rude.
You are "victimizing" yourself baselessly, tastelessly, and shamelessly.
Grow up, please.0 -
Fat shaming > Fat Acceptance
Your body is your responsibility and your business, and ONLY your responsibility and your business. Your friends and loved ones may be able to sway your opinion, but at the end of the day you make your own choices and that is YOUR right.
Sorry, going to disagree with this. I don't agree with fat shaming AT ALL, but the truth is the obesity epidemic doesn't only affect the obese. According to Forbes, obesity now costs Americans more in health care than smoking. It's a matter of public health.
From the article:
"The high cost of being significantly overweight manifests in a variety of ways, ranging from the increased insurance premiums we all pay to subsidize the added medical charges incurred by the obese to the surprisingly dramatic impact our collective pounds has on energy costs."
http://www.forbes.com/sites/rickungar/2012/04/30/obesity-now-costs-americans-more-in-healthcare-costs-than-smoking/
Well, if we had nationalized healthcare instead of paying out the butt for private companies who can charge as much as they please (especially when it comes to pharmaceuticals), this might not be the case...0 -
Horsedookie!
I'm sick of people on here saying "shaming doesn't help, I was shamed for years. It wasn't until I decided that I love myself that I lost a bunch of weight." REALLY, so the shaming didn't work. How do you know? Seems to me, even if it took many years, and you remember the shaming, then it probably helped a little.
And I hate how people blame other things for their weight and eating habits.
I know why I'm fat. I don't pretend to blame others, or situations. I'm fat, because I don't perform enough activities and I eat too much. It's not complicated. Blaming your parents, friends, situations, genetics, stress, etc... is all bullcrap. Those are just excuses we all make so we can continue to eat and do nothing.
Get off the soapbox, dude.
There are excuses, and then there are legitimate reasons for becoming overweight. The two are blended often, to be sure, but you don't get to dictate that EVERY reason people give is an excuse.
I was fat already at age 18 when my mother died, but dealing with her death and being away at college (away from home) put me into a deep depression. My metabolism plummeted because I slept about 14 hours a day, and I piled on the fat because all I wanted to eat was fatty comfort foods. I refused to seek mental help for a long time because I was too embarrassed to admit I needed it. Of course, years later, I realized the error of my ways and am now working to build healthy habits, both physical and mental.
But sometimes life just gets in the way, and you are in no position whatsoever to judge every single person-- i.e., everyone but you.
Oh, and shaming DOESN'T work, not for anyone, not for any habit you could possibly have. I was bullied mercilessly in school, and guess what? It wasn't until last year, at age 24-- more than 8 years after the worst of the bullying STOPPED-- that I finally decided to make a real change in my life. So you can take your perverted self-righteous logic and shove it
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I just wanted to throw it out there that my mother is fat because she had cancer.
Let me say that again--My mother had cancer. They cut her open and took out a good portion of her intestine. She's been dealing with the effects for the past 38 years.
And you're going to shame her because you think she's fat? You're going to say it's her fault?
Right, there are all kinds of reasons why people can be overweight. It is bizarre to just want to harshly judge everyone for that. I've never been overweight, so I wouldn't judge because it's not an experience that I have had (what could I possibly base my judgement on). There are a lot worse things in life to get upset over (other people's weight doesn't make that list for me).0 -
Fat shaming > Fat Acceptance
Your body is your responsibility and your business, and ONLY your responsibility and your business. Your friends and loved ones may be able to sway your opinion, but at the end of the day you make your own choices and that is YOUR right.
Sorry, going to disagree with this. I don't agree with fat shaming AT ALL, but the truth is the obesity epidemic doesn't only affect the obese. According to Forbes, obesity now costs Americans more in health care than smoking. It's a matter of public health.
From the article:
"The high cost of being significantly overweight manifests in a variety of ways, ranging from the increased insurance premiums we all pay to subsidize the added medical charges incurred by the obese to the surprisingly dramatic impact our collective pounds has on energy costs."
http://www.forbes.com/sites/rickungar/2012/04/30/obesity-now-costs-americans-more-in-healthcare-costs-than-smoking/
Well, if we had nationalized healthcare instead of paying out the butt for private companies who can charge as much as they please (especially when it comes to pharmaceuticals), this might not be the case...
That whole freemarket concept was a dreadful idea. It only helped create the strongest middle class the world has ever seen. Just saying.....0 -
Horsedookie!
I'm sick of people on here saying "shaming doesn't help, I was shamed for years. It wasn't until I decided that I love myself that I lost a bunch of weight." REALLY, so the shaming didn't work. How do you know? Seems to me, even if it took many years, and you remember the shaming, then it probably helped a little.
And I hate how people blame other things for their weight and eating habits.
I know why I'm fat. I don't pretend to blame others, or situations. I'm fat, because I don't perform enough activities and I eat too much. It's not complicated. Blaming your parents, friends, situations, genetics, stress, etc... is all bullcrap. Those are just excuses we all make so we can continue to eat and do nothing.
Get off the soapbox, dude.
There are excuses, and then there are legitimate reasons for becoming overweight. The two are blended often, to be sure, but you don't get to dictate that EVERY reason people give is an excuse.
I was fat already at age 18 when my mother died, but dealing with her death and being away at college (away from home) put me into a deep depression. My metabolism plummeted because I slept about 14 hours a day, and I piled on the fat because all I wanted to eat was fatty comfort foods. I refused to seek mental help for a long time because I was too embarrassed to admit I needed it. Of course, years later, I realized the error of my ways and am now working to build healthy habits, both physical and mental.
But sometimes life just gets in the way, and you are in no position whatsoever to judge every single person-- i.e., everyone but you.
Oh, and shaming DOESN'T work, not for anyone, not for any habit you could possibly have. I was bullied mercilessly in school, and guess what? It wasn't until last year, at age 24-- more than 8 years after the worst of the bullying STOPPED-- that I finally decided to make a real change in my life. So you can take your perverted self-righteous logic and shove it
Weren't you just on your "soapbox" about nationalized healthcare in your last post?0 -
Fat shaming doesn't work. Why do a lot of people become overweight? Because they have a problem with emotional eating. All this does is make big people feel even worse than they already do. So what do they do to compensate? Eat more food. Yeah, that seems SO productive!
If you want "fat people" to become healthy, try supporting them when they do make positive changes. Be a role model, but don't get upset or disgusted with them for not following you. A person's relationship with food is very personal and intimate. To belittle or bully them for it is disgusting and counter productive.
This was my take on things when I posted the article. I dont agree with everyone's opinions but thanks for the great discussion 0 -
No one has said this yet I don't think: Fat shaming doesn't work as a weight-loss motivator. However, the objective of most of these adds was not to "shame" people into losing weight (none, actually, in my opinion, even the gym and public health ad didn't have the "you should be ashamed you're not healthy/thin" tone). While some of them were quite distasteful, many weren't really about getting healthy or losing weight, they were about sales. When you all say "fat-shaming doesn't work", I think you mean "to help people lose weight". Whether or not these ads "worked" is, I think, an entirely different question since most of them were trying to sell something else. I guess I just wonder what the real question is: Does fat-shaming exist? (sure, although I think only some of these ads were that) Does fat-shaming aid weight loss? (Not so much, making people feel bad isn't usually helpful) Were these ads effective or not based on their appeal to the public's fascination with thinness? (Some probably more than others) The truth is that advertizing is all about getting people to buy in to a product or idea, whether or not it makes a certain portion of the population feel uncomfortable is only really relevant to them when product sales go down because of the bad press. Any thoughts on this? Should there be restrictions? How do we as consumers change this? Is it really so bad to suggest that consumers might want to be thinner, because obviously some of them do (I do!), and that a product might help them do that (I'm thinking the gym and oatmeal ads weren't so bad)?0
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No one has any right to shame or judge or humiliate anyone else, for any reason. Period.0
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Meh, they're just ads. Advertising is meant to be memorable/shocking so you'll buy into whatever they're selling. They've obviously done a good job because we're on page 7 of this thread...0
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More proof that being fat means you are fat ugly and uncool, for the people who feel negative talk like this is a motivator
Read below
http://elitedaily.com/news/world/abercrombie-fitch-ceo-explains-why-he-hates-fat-chicks/
Abercrombie & Fitch CEO Explains Why He Hates Fat Chicks
Anyone who’s been to Abercrombie & Fitch in the last few years has probably noticed that they don’t carry XL or XXL sizes of women’s clothing because they don’t want overweight women wearing their brand.
According to this popular teen clothing retailer, fat chicks will just never be a part of the “in” crowd.
They take a big risk with this tactic because two of Abercrombie’s biggest competitors, H&M and American Eagle, both offer XXL sizes for men and women.
The largest women’s pants available at Abercrombie are a size 10, while H&M goes up to 16 and American Eagle goes even farther to 18.
Abercrombie’s attitude towards plus-sized women derives from CEO Mike Jeffries. Robin Lewis, author of The New Rules of Retail, spoke to Business Insider about the kind of people Jeffries wants advertising his brand.
“He doesn’t want larger people shopping in his store, he wants thin and beautiful people,” Lewis said. “He doesn’t want his core customers to see people who aren’t as hot as them wearing his clothing. People who wear his clothing should feel like they’re one of the ‘cool kids.’”
Lewis said that the only reason Abercrombie offers XL and XXL in men’s sizes is to appeal to large athletes.
In a 2006 interview with Salon, Jeffries confirmed that the communication between hot people is his primary marketing tactic.
“It’s almost everything. That’s why we hire good-looking people in our stores. Because good-looking people attract other good-looking people, and we want to market to cool, good-looking people. We don’t market to anyone other than that,” he said.
Jeffries also told Salon that he wasn’t bothered by excluding fat people. In fact, he said that not limiting his ideal demographic would make his clothing less desirable.
“In every school there are the cool and popular kids, and then there are the not-so-cool kids,” he told the site. “Candidly, we go after the cool kids. We go after the attractive all-American kid with a great attitude and a lot of friends. A lot of people don’t belong [in our clothes], and they can’t belong. Are we exclusionary? Absolutely. Those companies that are in trouble are trying to target everybody: young, old, fat, skinny. But then you become totally vanilla. You don’t alienate anybody, but you don’t excite anybody, either,” he told Salon.
One might wonder why Mike Jeffries only wants to be in the company of good-looking people. That curiosity will end after seeing what this freak looks like.
After seeing a picture of Mike Jeffries, it can only be concluded that he was never around good-looking people as a kid and is now making up for the glamorous youth he wishes he had.0 -
the oatmeal one? i'm not sure why anyone minded that.
the one that suggested we buy obscene bikinis if we're slim? that, to me, was actually the worst. the insinuation that our goal should be to be lewd sex objects rather than fit & healthy.0 -
Well, if we had nationalized healthcare instead of paying out the butt for private companies who can charge as much as they please (especially when it comes to pharmaceuticals), this might not be the case...
That whole freemarket concept was a dreadful idea. It only helped create the strongest middle class the world has ever seen. Just saying.....
Haha, what does it mean when people say, I'm just saying? Please enlighten me. That aside, while the American worth has doubled over the last 30 years, the bottom 90% of the population when adjusted for inflation has seen precisely no change during this time.
What else has happened over the last 30 or 40 tears that will concern today's children in the future?
"If the rate of Alzheimer’s rises in lockstep with Type 2 diabetes, which has nearly tripled in the United States in the last 40 years, we will shortly see a devastatingly high percentage of our population with not only failing bodies but brains. Even for the lucky ones this is terrible news, because 5.4 million Americans (nearly 2 percent, for those keeping score at home) have the disease, the care for which — along with other dementias — will cost around $200 billion this year.
Gee. That’s more than the $150 billion we’ve been saying we spend annually on obesity-related illnesses. So the financial cost of the obesity pandemic just more than doubled. More than 115 million new cases of Alzheimer’s are projected around the world in the next 40 years, and the cost is expected to rise to more than a trillion of today’s dollars. (Why bother to count? $350 billion is bad enough.)"
Is Alzheimer’s Type 3 Diabetes?
http://opinionator.blogs.nytimes.com/2012/09/25/bittman-is-alzheimers-type-3-diabetes/0 -
Months ago I read something about that Ashley Madison ad. The model featured is a fairly prominent plus size model and that picture was taken during one of her first photo shoots. Due to her inexperience in the modeling world she didn't fully understand the contract and signed it anyways - which gave the photo company permission to sell the pictures to whomever they'd like. The model has apologized that her image was used in such an offensive way.
Am I the only one who though the guy stripping billboard add was really funny? I didn't see that one as fat shaming nearly as mach as "come on, do you really wanna see some dudes flaccid giblits?" :laugh:0 -
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In 2008, Japan’s Ministry of Health passed the ‘metabo’ law and declared war against obesity.In Japan we have a tax for overweight people..
If the media is your biggest problem just be glad you don't have to pay for it. :bigsmile:
Is that for real? How is the tax levied and by what measure is it determined?
The law mandates that local governments and employers add a waist measurement test to the annual mandatory check up of 40-75 year olds. For men and women who fail the test and exceed the maximum allowed waist length of 33.5 and 35.4 inches, they are required to attend a combination of counseling sessions, monitoring through phone and email correspondence, and motivational support. …
Employers or local government … are required to ensure a minimum of 65% participation, with an overall goal to cut the country’s obesity rates by 25% by year 2015. Failure to meet these goals results in fines of almost 10% of current health payments.
Non-compliance has no individual consequence. The responsibility of adherence to the program falls to employers and local government.0
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