For those on LCHF/Paleo here is a cool infographic
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mmm, ill take tooth decay over 30 year life span. high 5 yall.
i don't think you're fighting sabertooth tigers... right?
I think vaccinations and antibiotics are the bigger contributor, but hey!
not at all. the point is that many of the diseases we've had to vaccinate ourselves against only came about because people started living in large, more densely populated groups because of the agricultural revolution. prehistoric man did not die of plague and TB.
antibiotics, while... useful in eradicating certain diseases, are now over prescribed and cause a plethora of systemic problems from IBS to Candida, etc.
The plague was in a relatively narrow historic timeframe; Colonial revolutionaries and Romans didn't die from the plague either. I'll agree that the more dispersed populations made it more difficult for communicable disease.
However the number 1 as far as civilization is concerned was disease (infections, not chronic disease).
Even a caveman was more likely to die from an infection then actually being killed by a sabertooth tiger , I'd imagine.
haha maybe so, I don't have the information to argue one way or the other besides current aboriginal cultures that don't experience near the same amount of disease as westerners do. the sabertooth tiger comment was an hyperbolic example of the differences between caveman life and modern life.
haha I know I know!
I was just tying to point out while we use the term "disease" pretty indiscriminately, there's many different types.
In anycase, we all have to die from something!0 -
Love it!!! Let the doubters stay in their ways, we know the truth ;-)
And what truth would that be?0 -
Not true.
I've eaten at 1,000 calorie deficit (daily average) since February. No weight loss.
Now I'm eating less carbs but the same amount of calories - around 1600 per day - start losing 1-2 pounds per day.
The "simple" calorie in/out math doesn't work for everyone. I don't need science to prove it, my body proves it.
Do you have metabolic issues? It does not change the calorie in calorie out math - it changes the energy out part of the equation.
Also, lower carbs = less water weight so you will start losing at first.0 -
mmm, ill take tooth decay over 30 year life span. high 5 yall.
i don't think you're fighting sabertooth tigers... right?
I think vaccinations and antibiotics are the bigger contributor, but hey!
not at all. the point is that many of the diseases we've had to vaccinate ourselves against only came about because people started living in large, more densely populated groups because of the agricultural revolution. prehistoric man did not die of plague and TB.
antibiotics, while... useful in eradicating certain diseases, are now over prescribed and cause a plethora of systemic problems from IBS to Candida, etc.
The plague was in a relatively narrow historic timeframe; Colonial revolutionaries and Romans didn't die from the plague either. I'll agree that the more dispersed populations made it more difficult for communicable disease.
However the number 1 as far as civilization is concerned was disease (infections, not chronic disease).
Even a caveman was more likely to die from an infection then actually being killed by a sabertooth tiger , I'd imagine.
haha maybe so, I don't have the information to argue one way or the other besides current aboriginal cultures that don't experience near the same amount of disease as westerners do. the sabertooth tiger comment was an hyperbolic example of the differences between caveman life and modern life.
haha I know I know!
I was just tying to point out while we use the term "disease" pretty indiscriminately, there's many different types.
In anycase, we all have to die from something!
that's actually a good point. your distinction between chronic illnesses (cancer, diabetes, heart disease, etc) and infectious diseases is important. it's entirely likely that if a caveman were to get an infectious disease that he would die from it - whether the fault of the disease, or the fact that the disease slowed him down so the sabertooth tiger was able to catch him. :P
but even today we can't vaccinate against the common cold, and flu vaccines are shoddy at best, so saying that vaccines and antibiotics are a knock against following a paleo lifestyle is a little silly to me.0 -
haha I wasn't knocking paleo at all for that.
If anything I actually follow a quasi-paleo diet myself. I do keto which isn't too far off, the main exception is that you eat more fruit.0 -
haha I wasn't knocking paleo at all for that.
If anything I actually follow a quasi-paleo diet myself. I do keto which isn't too far off, the main exception is that you eat more fruit.
yep. i eat all the fruit.
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Medical disorders aside:
an excess of bacon calories will store just as effectively as fat as an excess of bagel calories.
please detail the method by which your body stores dietary fat as body fat.
and to the poster above, zoelifts, what part of this 4 page thread is bovine fecal matter?0 -
Quite a few people have metabolic disorders and don't know it if they reduce carbs or eat more natural and lose weight Yay for them on looking after their health even if it starts as a 'fad'
Hell people I work with still think me going to the gym is a fad and I've been going for years
They also wonder why I don't eat the rubbish they bring in like buns for birthdays, it used to be a case of ' I'm pre diabetic I can't' now sorry it just doesn't appeal! (They still try but one won't hurt approach but I'm not eating something I don't want)
And apologies I find bagels revolting
Now I'm going to get eggs from my chickens!0 -
I've been paleo for almost six months. So far, I have had the following results: Weight from 202 to 164, gained muscle and feel fantastic. Blood results back...I did everything that is considered 100% paleo, including meat fats, etc. My cholesterol went from 368 to 78. Blood sugar went from 350 to 79. My doctor was blown away by the results. I have the energy now to walk about 5 miles a week, and to lift weights three days a week, along with stretches. Sleep is fantastic, allergies are gone, turns out i was also allergic to dairy, so all of the reactions I have had to face creams and things like detergents are also minimal now. I feel clean inside and my skin is glowing. No more preservatives, loads of organic veggies, and only pasture raised meats, eggs and a bit of wild fish...occasional chicken. The doc that wanted me on statins and fish oil capsules and some drug for pancreas disease is now going off to the store to buy Practical Paleo, the first paleo book I read back in November. If anyone is considering a radical change for good, I highly recommend the eating, diet and exercise of a paleo regime.0
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Confucius says: There are often many paths that lead to the same destination.
My favorite example of this is the Stanford A to Z study. They identified two subtypes of obesity. One with problems processing carbs, and one without. The ones with problems had better success on the atkins diet, while the others had better success on a low-fat diet.
http://nutrition.stanford.edu/projects/az.html
Great video:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eREuZEdMAVo 0 -
I need to post this outside my office door or at least hang it out there when people wonder where that terrific smell of bacon is coming from.0
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Oh my gosh, it's the bagels! You've opened my eyes. I'm going paleo. This must be why.... /looks down
Waiiit a minute. Sneaky sneaky! I'm totes mcgoats NOT fat, and I love bagels! Nice try, OP, but I'm definitely not giving up my processed carbs.
For the record, I have nothing against people following paleo. I know there are a lot of people who do it and feel awesome on it, and that's great. I just found this graphic hilarious and not at all convincing that I should change my lifestyle.0 -
I am disappoint that we're on page 5 and no one has taken that bacon and eggs and put them on that cream cheese bagel to make a delicious brefiss sammitch.
Also, yes, Reddy has a six pack. How could he not at 135 pounds.0 -
I am disappoint that we're on page 5 and no one has taken that bacon and eggs and put them on that cream cheese bagel to make a delicious brefiss sammitch.
Also, yes, Reddy has a six pack. How could he not at 135 pounds.
at 125 i didn't have a sixpack.
riddle me that`0 -
I am disappoint that we're on page 5 and no one has taken that bacon and eggs and put them on that cream cheese bagel to make a delicious brefiss sammitch.
Also, yes, Reddy has a six pack. How could he not at 135 pounds.
at 125 i didn't have a sixpack.
riddle me that`
Is shakeology paleo?0 -
I am disappoint that we're on page 5 and no one has taken that bacon and eggs and put them on that cream cheese bagel to make a delicious brefiss sammitch.
Also, yes, Reddy has a six pack. How could he not at 135 pounds.
And he was never overweight.
Calories in, calories out. Stick to getting that right and you can be paleo or whatever else you want. I do recommend you brush your teeth though.0 -
Calories in, calories out. Stick to getting that right and you can be paleo or whatever else you want.
Agreed.
But (you knew that was coming right?)
To be consistently in a calorie deficit does not require counting calories.
But calories do count 0 -
It's been working great for me too!!!
I don't think many PCOS patients with insulin resistance will entirely agree with you. I do both (eat clean and keep an eye on calories) and it's the only thing that has ever worked.
Same here and it's been working great since 1/1/13.
good to hear, but you represent 4.6% of the population. infographic still wrong.0 -
I am disappoint that we're on page 5 and no one has taken that bacon and eggs and put them on that cream cheese bagel to make a delicious brefiss sammitch.
Also, yes, Reddy has a six pack. How could he not at 135 pounds.
at 125 i didn't have a sixpack.
riddle me that`
Is shakeology paleo?
why do you ask?0 -
I am disappoint that we're on page 5 and no one has taken that bacon and eggs and put them on that cream cheese bagel to make a delicious brefiss sammitch.
Also, yes, Reddy has a six pack. How could he not at 135 pounds.
And he was never overweight.
Calories in, calories out. Stick to getting that right and you can be paleo or whatever else you want. I do recommend you brush your teeth though.
hey welcome back - whatever happened to hunter gatherers aren't healthier than those on western diets? or did you not read my sources like you didn't read your own?0 -
The bagel with low-fat cream cheese is, however, far more likely to make you diabetic over the long haul.0
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I am disappoint that we're on page 5 and no one has taken that bacon and eggs and put them on that cream cheese bagel to make a delicious brefiss sammitch.
Also, yes, Reddy has a six pack. How could he not at 135 pounds.
And he was never overweight.
Calories in, calories out. Stick to getting that right and you can be paleo or whatever else you want. I do recommend you brush your teeth though.
hey welcome back - whatever happened to hunter gatherers aren't healthier than those on western diets? or did you not read my sources like you didn't read your own?
Didn't get to it yet. Got important auditions coming up, had to go practice. I was tempted to stay in all day and make sure everyone on the Internet agrees with me, and to meticulously duplicate the work of the Horus study authors who tried to find evidence based approaches to answering the question "are chronic diseases like atherosclerosis a symptom of modernity?"
I did check your profile though, and I am now much more interested in another question. Do you find vigorous training affects your voice?0 -
I am disappoint that we're on page 5 and no one has taken that bacon and eggs and put them on that cream cheese bagel to make a delicious brefiss sammitch.
Also, yes, Reddy has a six pack. How could he not at 135 pounds.
And he was never overweight.
Calories in, calories out. Stick to getting that right and you can be paleo or whatever else you want. I do recommend you brush your teeth though.
hey welcome back - whatever happened to hunter gatherers aren't healthier than those on western diets? or did you not read my sources like you didn't read your own?
Didn't get to it yet. Got important auditions coming up, had to go practice. I was tempted to stay in all day and make sure everyone on the Internet agrees with me, and to meticulously duplicate the work of the Horus study authors who tried to find evidence based approaches to answering the question "are chronic diseases like atherosclerosis a symptom of modernity?"
I did check your profile though, and I am now much more interested in another question. Do you find vigorous training affects your voice?
it can if you let your muscles tighten up. after intense workouts i do a little alexander technique lie-down to let my muscles release. i also try to stay as hydrated as possible and stretch like crazy. i get voice issues when my right hip flexor is tight. everything's connected, so it's important to listen to your body. i'm sure you know that tho. 0 -
The reality is that paleo works for a lot of people, then again, so do carbs.
Everyone is different! If my daily overall carbs go over 15% I gain weight, on the other hand, if my daughter eats more than 25% protein she gains weight. It all comes down to DNA, we differentiate 'proteins' and 'carbies'. My sister is completely paleo and it works well for her, her daughter eats the same foods obviously, and is heavier than she should be. Again, it's all about each individual person's DNA.0 -
I am disappoint that we're on page 5 and no one has taken that bacon and eggs and put them on that cream cheese bagel to make a delicious brefiss sammitch.
Also, yes, Reddy has a six pack. How could he not at 135 pounds.
at 125 i didn't have a sixpack.
riddle me that`
Because you were 14?0 -
I am disappoint that we're on page 5 and no one has taken that bacon and eggs and put them on that cream cheese bagel to make a delicious brefiss sammitch.
Also, yes, Reddy has a six pack. How could he not at 135 pounds.
And he was never overweight.
Calories in, calories out. Stick to getting that right and you can be paleo or whatever else you want. I do recommend you brush your teeth though.
hey welcome back - whatever happened to hunter gatherers aren't healthier than those on western diets? or did you not read my sources like you didn't read your own?
Didn't get to it yet. Got important auditions coming up, had to go practice. I was tempted to stay in all day and make sure everyone on the Internet agrees with me, and to meticulously duplicate the work of the Horus study authors who tried to find evidence based approaches to answering the question "are chronic diseases like atherosclerosis a symptom of modernity?"
I did check your profile though, and I am now much more interested in another question. Do you find vigorous training affects your voice?
it can if you let your muscles tighten up. after intense workouts i do a little alexander technique lie-down to let my muscles release. i also try to stay as hydrated as possible and stretch like crazy. i get voice issues when my right hip flexor is tight. everything's connected, so it's important to listen to your body. i'm sure you know that tho.
Yeah I'm am AT nut. I default to semi supine as well.
But I'm noticing I can have issues when I'm pushing it hard, and trying to nail down whether it is deficits, radical body change in short time, big workouts, or a combo of things. I'm sorry to go off topic but I'm hoping to collect as many answers as I can from various sources of anecdotal evidence.0 -
The reality is that paleo works for a lot of people, then again, so do carbs.
Everyone is different! If my daily overall carbs go over 15% I gain weight, on the other hand, if my daughter eats more than 25% protein she gains weight. It all comes down to DNA, we differentiate 'proteins' and 'carbies'. My sister is completely paleo and it works well for her, her daughter eats the same foods obviously, and is heavier than she should be. Again, it's all about each individual person's DNA.
Really? because so many people out there say there are no special snowflakes...lol those people drive me insane. Our bodies aren't supposed to work the same, we are supposed to be diffferent. But they will ram it down your throat if you say it doesn't work for you. Not sure how people think they are so smart and yet come here and say stupid things that prove you don't have a clue.0 -
The reality is that paleo works for a lot of people, then again, so do carbs.
Everyone is different! If my daily overall carbs go over 15% I gain weight, on the other hand, if my daughter eats more than 25% protein she gains weight. It all comes down to DNA, we differentiate 'proteins' and 'carbies'. My sister is completely paleo and it works well for her, her daughter eats the same foods obviously, and is heavier than she should be. Again, it's all about each individual person's DNA.
Really? because so many people out there say there are no special snowflakes...lol those people drive me insane. Our bodies aren't supposed to work the same, we are supposed to be diffferent. But they will ram it down your throat if you say it doesn't work for you. Not sure how people think they are so smart and yet come here and say stupid things that prove you don't have a clue.
Not sure who you mean but I didn't see anyone here say that. Doing what works for you is pretty damn logical.
On the other hand, we sort of all are very, very similar. So dig a bit deeper and you often find the differences are merely conceptual, or that there is an action in common actually leading to the same result, which if quantified can be related to others to alleviate frustration.
This is sort of a super duper important topic in that regard, because if it can be proven that modern diets based on grain cause chronic illness, we are essentially saying the carrying capacity of the planet is even lower than we thought. Interesting developed world vs. developing world conflict there!0 -
I am almost certain I am pre-diabetic. The reason I'm not 100% certain is, quite honestly and very stupidly, I am not going to go and get that confirmed but, some things were changing.
One thing which was so frustrating was this weird thing of not losing weight. I am a really good yo-yoer. I mean, I am fantastic, if there is one thing I know, it's how to lose weight (not keep it off, but...) and I know without a shadow of a doubt that when I commit, I lose. Only I wasn't. In fact I've spent the last 6 months having many a WTF? moment. Why couldn't I lose - I must be eating more than I think, it's my meds, it's my Implant - it's the weather, whatever!
I also started getting random skin infections and not through injury or anything else, they would just happen and be really painful. I would wake up shattered and be ready for a rest by 11am and sometimes actually going for a sleep at 11am!
Anyway, after much, much research and internal arguments and resistance and feeling that paleo/primal flies in the face of everything I've known and believed and been taught, I'm doing it.
For the first time in a year I can get my wedding ring off, for the first time in ages I don't feel as tired and for the first time in ages...I am actually losing weight AND gaining my life back. I had lost my faith in my body entirely - I was considering surgery and I can not tell you how low I got to be considering that.
The reason I'm kind of bearing my soul like this in public is because, I know what people think of paleo/primal etc. but, somehow it's working for me where nothing else did. How can anybody knock that? You've found your way and have your beliefs and that's great. I shared those but, it wasn't working - maybe I had abused my body more than you, maybe I'm further down a bad road than you were. What works, is what works. Why knock it?0 -
The reality is that paleo works for a lot of people, then again, so do carbs.
Everyone is different! If my daily overall carbs go over 15% I gain weight, on the other hand, if my daughter eats more than 25% protein she gains weight. It all comes down to DNA, we differentiate 'proteins' and 'carbies'. My sister is completely paleo and it works well for her, her daughter eats the same foods obviously, and is heavier than she should be. Again, it's all about each individual person's DNA.
Really? because so many people out there say there are no special snowflakes...lol those people drive me insane. Our bodies aren't supposed to work the same, we are supposed to be diffferent. But they will ram it down your throat if you say it doesn't work for you. Not sure how people think they are so smart and yet come here and say stupid things that prove you don't have a clue.
Not sure who you mean but I didn't see anyone here say that. Doing what works for you is pretty damn logical.
On the other hand, we sort of all are very, very similar. So dig a bit deeper and you often find the differences are merely conceptual, or that there is an action in common actually leading to the same result, which if quantified can be related to others to alleviate frustration.
This is sort of a super duper important topic in that regard, because if it can be proven that modern diets based on grain cause chronic illness, we are essentially saying the carrying capacity of the planet is even lower than we thought. Interesting developed world vs. developing world conflict there!
no..no one here has said it yet. But they've said it me in fact because I said that doesn't work for me I need to be in low carbs to lose and they came off with you must be one of those special snowflakes.0
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