T. Colin Campbell says 80-10-10 macros is healthiest diet!
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what 80 carb??? is that serious??
is that really how he breaks it down? that's insane.
or 80 protein? why is p,c, f not listed? I've never seen a "Standard" for how it's listed as in what goes first... I always put protein first- because it's the biggest part of my diet. zing.
besides the "whatever you eat- you still end with a load of crap" best comment in the thread.
Just watched a clip of Campbell speaking and he does advocate 80% carbs as the perfect ratio, 10% fat, 10% protein. Hard to wrap your mind around it!0 -
You're a graphic designer.That sounds like a terrible idea.
T. Colin Campbell is a biochemist, microbiologist, and world renowned nutritionist.
Does this still sound terrible, this idea?
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Sounds like a "Whole" lot of crap to me. But to each their own.
I don't doubt it.
You again? Your credibility in anything science was killonged a while ago. You get so angry with dissenting opinions. YOu know your body releases stress hormones whenever you get mad and they can have a negative effect on your health. The internet might not be for you.
Edit: Aww, you did a quick edit.
Yeah we all can't be perfectionists like you.
It's sweet you think you are having any negative effect on me. However, it's very sad that people who claim they want to lose extra weight they have, will come and fight/argue with people who don't have extra weight. Hmm
ROFL, you're calling me fat! This is the best day ever!
Your ticker does say you have a lot to lose don't pretend he called you fat
You missed his pre-edit but are you agreeing with him that just because someone has some weight to lose that they can't have an opinion on health and nutrition?0 -
YOU STILL MIRIN BRAH???The biggest load of crap I've read/heard today bar none. Then again neither look like they've ever stepped foot in a gym. It's like needing a haircut and getting a trim from someone who's blind; it just doesn't make sense - at the very least not for bodybuilding or strength training.
he looks pretty damn good for a man of 65.
^^ That's what I think every time I see that picture.0 -
[/quote]Sounds like a "Whole" lot of crap to me. But to each their own.
I don't doubt it.
You again? Your credibility in anything science was killonged a while ago. You get so angry with dissenting opinions. YOu know your body releases stress hormones whenever you get mad and they can have a negative effect on your health. The internet might not be for you.
Edit: Aww, you did a quick edit.
Yeah we all can't be perfectionists like you. It's sweet you think you are having any negative effect on me. However, it's very sad that people who claim they want to lose extra weight they have, will come and fight/argue with people who don't have extra weight. Hmm
ROFL, you're calling me fat! This is the best day ever!
Your ticker does say you have a lot to lose don't pretend he called you fat
You missed his pre-edit but are you agreeing with him that just because someone has some weight to lose that they can't have an opinion on health and nutrition?
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Of course every one can have an opinion on nutrition0 -
Sounds like a "Whole" lot of crap to me. But to each their own.
I don't doubt it.
You again? Your credibility in anything science was killonged a while ago. You get so angry with dissenting opinions. YOu know your body releases stress hormones whenever you get mad and they can have a negative effect on your health. The internet might not be for you.
Edit: Aww, you did a quick edit.
Yeah we all can't be perfectionists like you. It's sweet you think you are having any negative effect on me. However, it's very sad that people who claim they want to lose extra weight they have, will come and fight/argue with people who don't have extra weight. Hmm
ROFL, you're calling me fat! This is the best day ever!
Your ticker does say you have a lot to lose don't pretend he called you fat
You missed his pre-edit but are you agreeing with him that just because someone has some weight to lose that they can't have an opinion on health and nutrition?
Of course every one can have an opinion on nutrition
Then I'm confused because that's what he was implying.0 -
You're a graphic designer.That sounds like a terrible idea.
T. Colin Campbell is a biochemist, microbiologist, and world renowned nutritionist.
Does this still sound terrible, this idea?
Just because someone has credentials does not mean they are right. Science isn't a cult.0 -
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I'm just going to sit here quietly and wait for pork or protein to killong me...0
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Doug Graham, author of the 80-10-10 Diet, is 60 and......... AND.....
YOU STILL MIRIN BRAH???The biggest load of crap I've read/heard today bar none. Then again neither look like they've ever stepped foot in a gym. It's like needing a haircut and getting a trim from someone who's blind; it just doesn't make sense - at the very least not for bodybuilding or strength training.
he looks pretty damn good for a man of 65.
Yeah, all I see is a 65 year old man who hasn't worked out a whole lot lately and yet still has a fairly decent amount of muscle mass. By comparison, Elton John is 66 and won't take his shirt off in public.
Arnold might've been the man when Dolly Parton was at her sexual peak but right today he couldn't lift more, run faster, or sound more educated than Doug Graham. Do you want quick results or fruitful longevity?
The picture of Arnold is very old and may have been taken when he was having some acute health issues. Below is a link to him working out in 2013. I'd be willing to bet that TWO Doug Graham's couldn't lift what Arnold can, so let's don't get carried away. Regardless of what either of them can do a single person's results aren't remotely proof that any system is better than another. Surely that could be agreed upon.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Pdh351Y7wxQ
Anyone who likes 80/10/10 is free to do it and those who don't are free not to.0 -
You're a graphic designer.That sounds like a terrible idea.
T. Colin Campbell is a biochemist, microbiologist, and world renowned nutritionist.
Does this still sound terrible, this idea?
Just because someone has credentials does not mean they are right. Science isn't a cult.
Exactly. There are people out there, in the same field, with the same amount of credentials and they disagree with each other.0 -
You're a graphic designer.That sounds like a terrible idea.
T. Colin Campbell is a biochemist, microbiologist, and world renowned nutritionist.
Does this still sound terrible, this idea?
Just because someone has credentials does not mean they are right. Science isn't a cult.
Exactly. There are people out there, in the same field, with the same amount of credentials and they disagree with each other.
^ This.0 -
I've missed all the good threads today! Locked and gone. I put the book on order at the library, I am curious to see what he has to say. I cannot imagine *not* being a miserable fat hungry wreck on 80/10/10!0
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Macros are overrated. There I've said it. I'll run and hide now.0
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The big problem with Dr. Campbell is he's let his bias get in the way of science and expects the masses to accept him verbatim........those illustrious days of romance are over.
You're a graphic designer.That sounds like a terrible idea.
T. Colin Campbell is a biochemist, microbiologist, and world renowned nutritionist.
Does this still sound terrible, this idea?
Just because someone has credentials does not mean they are right. Science isn't a cult.
Exactly. There are people out there, in the same field, with the same amount of credentials and they disagree with each other.
^ This. 0 -
I've missed all the good threads today! Locked and gone. I put the book on order at the library, I am curious to see what he has to say. I cannot imagine *not* being a miserable fat hungry wreck on 80/10/10!
I don't think people would be hungry on 80/10/10...because real hunger is driven by total calories and not as much macros...and even if they were at first, I suspect that would diminish as they became accustomed to it.
That said, I also doubt this is ideal. It goes against my understanding of the role a sufficient amount of dietary fats plays in our health, especially for the endocrine system. I suspect the amount of protein would be inconsistent with my current goals as well..0 -
Think for a minute and imagine what type of carbs will allow protein and fat not to exceed 10% That's a lot, and I mean a ton of vegetables.....at my current 3000 calorie intake I would not have my face away from the salad bar, and my jaw would be sore from chewing all day.....and I get to compromise my lean body mass and at the same time compromise my test levels with fat being that low.......I've missed all the good threads today! Locked and gone. I put the book on order at the library, I am curious to see what he has to say. I cannot imagine *not* being a miserable fat hungry wreck on 80/10/10!
I don't think people would be hungry on 80/10/10...because real hunger is driven by total calories and not as much macros...and even if they were at first, I suspect that would diminish as they became accustomed to it.
That said, I also doubt this is ideal. It goes against my understanding of the role a sufficient amount of dietary fats plays in our health, especially for the endocrine system. I suspect the amount of protein would be inconsistent with my current goals as well..0 -
Think for a minute and imagine what type of carbs will allow protein and fat not to exceed 10% That's a lot, and I mean a ton of vegetables.....at my current 3000 calorie intake I would not have my face away from the salad bar, and my jaw would be sore from chewing all day.....and I get to compromise my lean body mass and at the same time compromise my test levels with fat being that low.......I've missed all the good threads today! Locked and gone. I put the book on order at the library, I am curious to see what he has to say. I cannot imagine *not* being a miserable fat hungry wreck on 80/10/10!
I don't think people would be hungry on 80/10/10...because real hunger is driven by total calories and not as much macros...and even if they were at first, I suspect that would diminish as they became accustomed to it.
That said, I also doubt this is ideal. It goes against my understanding of the role a sufficient amount of dietary fats plays in our health, especially for the endocrine system. I suspect the amount of protein would be inconsistent with my current goals as well..
Not to mention the wear and tear on your teeth with all that chewing... unless you became a juicer.0 -
Don't do that dangerous diet. You might feel good for a couple of years (3-5 years) but eventually, the health issues start to accumulate. If you want to read from people who tried it and fortunately had a wake up call, here it is: http://30bananasadaysucks.com/0
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It also depends on your intake compared to your weight. For my weight, pre-pregnancy, my TDEE was high, so to get above the 0.8g/kg WHO recommendations I might still have a protein ratio in the teens. That little fat doesn't sound much fun though...0
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Don't do that dangerous diet. You might feel good for a couple of years (3-5 years) but eventually, the health issues start to accumulate. If you want to read from people who tried it and fortunately had a wake up call, here it is: http://30bananasadaysucks.com/
Could you be more specific as to which blog to read? Didn't find what you were referring to.0 -
Don't do that dangerous diet. You might feel good for a couple of years (3-5 years) but eventually, the health issues start to accumulate. If you want to read from people who tried it and fortunately had a wake up call, here it is: http://30bananasadaysucks.com/
Could you be more specific as to which blog to read? Didn't find what you were referring to.
Well, the whole website is full of useful informations. I know it's overwhelming because of its 125 pages of blog posts so here are just a few testimonies:
http://30bananasadaysucks.com/2012/12/my-experience-of-11-months-with-the-801010-diet/
http://30bananasadaysucks.com/2012/06/tooth-crumbled-wtf-do-i-do/
http://30bananasadaysucks.com/2012/05/loss-of-libido-on-801010/
http://30bananasadaysucks.com/2012/09/4-month-after-i-stopped-811-and-my-deep-wrinkles-disappeared-d/
http://30bananasadaysucks.com/2012/08/anyone-else-experience-this-while-veganraw/
http://30bananasadaysucks.com/2012/07/811-most-foolish-diet-plan-you-can-follow/
http://30bananasadaysucks.com/2012/06/before-and-after-811-pics/
There are way more. In brief, they say that the 80/10/10 diet makes you feel good for a couple of years (even less for some people), but eventually a lot of health issues arise: vitamins deficiencies, problem absorbing some nutrients, hollow eyes, premature aging, painful and crumbly teeth, bloating, lost of hair, lost of libido, women's period stop, weight gain and more.0 -
:laugh: :laugh:0
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Will listen to Alanaragon&laynenorton/10 over someone who don't even looks like he lifts. Lolz.0
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Don't do that dangerous diet. You might feel good for a couple of years (3-5 years) but eventually, the health issues start to accumulate. If you want to read from people who tried it and fortunately had a wake up call, here it is: http://30bananasadaysucks.com/
Could you be more specific as to which blog to read? Didn't find what you were referring to.
Well, the whole website is full of useful informations. I know it's overwhelming because of its 125 pages of blog posts so here are just a few testimonies:
http://30bananasadaysucks.com/2012/12/my-experience-of-11-months-with-the-801010-diet/
http://30bananasadaysucks.com/2012/06/tooth-crumbled-wtf-do-i-do/
http://30bananasadaysucks.com/2012/05/loss-of-libido-on-801010/
http://30bananasadaysucks.com/2012/09/4-month-after-i-stopped-811-and-my-deep-wrinkles-disappeared-d/
http://30bananasadaysucks.com/2012/08/anyone-else-experience-this-while-veganraw/
http://30bananasadaysucks.com/2012/07/811-most-foolish-diet-plan-you-can-follow/
http://30bananasadaysucks.com/2012/06/before-and-after-811-pics/
There are way more. In brief, they say that the 80/10/10 diet makes you feel good for a couple of years (even less for some people), but eventually a lot of health issues arise: vitamins deficiencies, problem absorbing some nutrients, hollow eyes, premature aging, painful and crumbly teeth, bloating, lost of hair, lost of libido, women's period stop, weight gain and more.
Thanks for the info...these are some scary testimonials! Glad that I eat ALL the foodz
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Well, unlike most of the commenter's on this post, I would like to actually read the book before forming a (negative) opinion.0
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The big problem with Dr. Campbell is he's let his bias get in the way of science and expects the masses to accept him verbatim........those illustrious days of romance are over.
Yep, and we've already seen how horrible a high carb diet is. That was the general recommendation from 1980 to into the 2000's and it failed miserably for most people. And then there's the fact that most RTC's that pit high carb against high protein show that high carb sucks for pretty much everything except living in a fantasy vegan utopia.0 -
It failed mostly because of the quality of those carbs, (wheat) mostly refined (I believe 85% is pretty accurate in the USDA data) with lots of added partially hydrogenated fats, soy mostly , HFCS and salt. This is the trickle down effect from the crops that are over produced and receive the most subsidies. Processed food is cheaper than it should be on a calorie for calorie basis, convenient, calorically dense and Companies that have food scientists, marketers and the tens of billions that what, 4 or 5 Companies in the USA spend on advertising hoping their "bliss" factor works for another whopper of a year, all the while diversifying it's produce line to keep pace with the general misinformation spawned by the increasing nutritionally enlightened masses where omega3's are the new cereal and green tea powder added to cake batter is healthier and where products that never contained fat are shown to be safe of trans fats.......for the last 30 years it's like one long line of snake oil salesman pitching their wares on the big screen knowing there's a sucker born every minute. just kiddingThe big problem with Dr. Campbell is he's let his bias get in the way of science and expects the masses to accept him verbatim........those illustrious days of romance are over.
Yep, and we've already seen how horrible a high carb diet is. That was the general recommendation from 1980 to into the 2000's and it failed miserably for most people. And then there's the fact that most RTC's that pit high carb against high protein show that high carb sucks for pretty much everything except living in a fantasy vegan utopia.
Anyway, like the french paradox, there's also the Kitavan paradox.
http://www.staffanlindeberg.com/TheKitavaStudy.html0 -
That sounds like a terrible idea.
This^0 -
Well, unlike most of the commenter's on this post, I would like to actually read the book before forming a (negative) opinion.
Yes, you must be better than us because you want to read the book first.
On the other hand, some of us have done a good amount of research on appropriate macros and can immediately identify that 10% fat and 10% protein would be counterproductive at best, and more likely highly damaging.0
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