You CAN Spot Reduce
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But...........you can change the appearance of a specific area through strength training?
Essentially, you can build muscle. The muscle will give the "spot" a better appearance once fat is lost. Muscle gain without fat loss doesn't though... it can just make the spot look wider.
^^^^And that is what most of us are looking to achieve when we say 'spot reduce'. It's the terminology is misused and misunderstood. Fat/ weigh loss we can't 'spot reduce' it comes off the body as we lose weight (predetermined genetically??). But once you start strength training you can 'reshape' some areas in other words you're building up muscles fibers to change the appearance.
When you start "building up" muscles, isn't the the opposite from "reducing"?
women can't bulk up. we can strengthen (maybe that's the better word) muscles to improve appearance.
****ooops typo there added 'en' to strengthen
Women can bulk up. Not the same as men do, but with effort: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-yKEB44ZkAQ
^^^^^ I was being facetious in response to this > 'When you start "building up" muscles, isn't the the opposite from "reducing"?' somewhat condescending rhetorical question. It was heading int the direction of the age old debate on the forum where the woman says 'but I'm afraid of bulking up I just want to tone' and then all the men jump on here and make fun of us.
My whole point is that you can change your body through strength training.
Fair enough. It just seemed to be extreme, I see what you were saying.0 -
My exercise physiology textbook uses the following example to debunk the myth of spot reduction:
They studied professional tennis players and the differences between their dominant and non-dominant arms, by using high-tech body fat analysis methods. The circumference of the dominant arms were bigger, due to increased muscle mass from use. They tested the FAT on the two arms and found them to be equal. If spot reduction were possible, the tennis players would have lower body fat on the dominant arm, there was no evidence to support this.
You're so silly bringing research into this kind of thread. What were you trying to accomplish? LOL0 -
My exercise physiology textbook uses the following example to debunk the myth of spot reduction:
They studied professional tennis players and the differences between their dominant and non-dominant arms, by using high-tech body fat analysis methods. The circumference of the dominant arms were bigger, due to increased muscle mass from use. They tested the FAT on the two arms and found them to be equal. If spot reduction were possible, the tennis players would have lower body fat on the dominant arm, there was no evidence to support this.
You're so silly bringing research into this kind of thread. What were you trying to accomplish? LOL0 -
You are wrong buddy. You cannot spot reduce its not humanly possible, yes you can do workouts (muscle wise) that target certain areas, however you will lose weight in other areas. Nice try with the argument but its not true0
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Not to be controversial BUT, I think the poster has a point. Certain exercises can make certain areas smaller or larger, and certain conditions you exercise on makes a difference. I noticed this while watching the Olympics and noticed that the sport a person played determined body shape even more than race. I noticed that the female swimmers, while having serious muscle mass also had a fat layer for insulation. The ladies had large backs and slim waists. The gymnasts had wide waists and large thigh and shoulder muscles, but very low body fat. The type of exercise and the conditions you do the exercise on make a big difference in what areas get small or big. So, in essence, you can spot reduce, just maybe in a different way that people normally think of spot reduction.
Swimmers do not have "slim waists" because they do a lot of ab work, which is the definition of spot reducing. Swimmers might appear to have a slimmer waist because their shoulders and backs are so large. This is NOT spot reducing. This is just an optical illusion. A woman with measurements of 40-25-40 appears to have a smaller waist than a woman with measurements of 32-25-32. Really, they have the same sized waist.
We are saying the exact same thing. Their are exercises you can do to make a body part smaller or larger. Some tummy exercises will strengthen your core and pull your stomach in. Spot reduction. You have reduced inches in that area. Their are leg exercises like squats that make the muscle bigger, and others, like yoga, that make the muscle lean. Don't argue with me. It's obvious. If you want to talk about lipid loss in a specific area, I wasn't talking about that. Thank you.
I did ballet and yoga for around 13 years. These are supposed to make you long and lean, right? Then why was I short and fat? When I started reducing my calories, training for a half marathon, and lifting weights four times a week, that's when I started to lose weight ALL OVER. When I was heavier, I did a lot of ab workouts. I didn't have flat abs. I do a lot of squats and deadlifts and such when I'm lifting, plus I run a lot and do yoga a few times a week. I don't have slim legs.
Also, "Some tummy exercises will strengthen your core and pull your stomach in. Spot reduction."? I just sucked in my belly. My belly has been pulled in. That is not spot reduction.
"Spot reduction refers to the belief, long viewed as a myth, that fat can be targeted for reduction from a specific area of the body."- Wikipedia
What is it that you think spot reducing is? Because whatever it is, you're not right. Spot reducing is fat loss in a specific area.
All right then, you won the semantic argument. (sorry, just not that invested into debating), more interested in life. Have a nice day!0 -
Happy to see this thread still rockin'. Just got back from the gym - did LOTS of push-ups. Hopefully, that will spot reduce my pecs.
Wait...NO...that's not what I want. I'm doing this all wrong.0 -
trainers are trying to make money......so of course they would say you can spot reduce.......0
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u can build muscle in certain areas, but you can't burn fat from certain areas. your body will burn it from wherever it wants. you have no choice in the order.0
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Lmao...The 30DS works EVERYTHING & you generally lose inches EVERYWHERE. Which is how most exercise programs work...even if you do, for example 6 Week 6 Pack, Jillian clearly says the point is to burn calories & fat on your ENTIRE body & that by lowering your OVERALL fat % you can begin to see a better stomach...
I REALLY suggest picking up a book & learning more about the human body before posting a completely bogus thread.0 -
This is the only reason I clicked on this forum!0 -
Could any of you tell me why you think you cannot spot reduce? I have even had a trainer tell me "you can't spot reduce" is a myth.
Ever seen a fat person with a 6 pack? My point exactly.
Oh and your trainer is an idiot.0 -
In the same vein of the OP's logic: If repeat use of a single limb really produced spot reduction, then there would be no typists with fat hands.
PRICELESS....AS I TYPE WITH THE SAME FATTY FINGERS I HAVE HAD FOR THE LAST 20 YEARS, OF WHICH, EXCESSIVE AMOUNTS OF DAILY TYPING HAS OCCURRED FOR MOST OF THAT 20 YEARS!0 -
Potato,potato. I get what she is saying, maybe not spot reduce but, spot improve. All of you get so hung up on semantics! Quit harassing people on the forums and go work out.0
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Potato,potato. I get what she is saying, maybe not spot reduce but, spot improve. All of you get so hung up on semantics! Quit harassing people on the forums and go work out.
^^^^ yes this! Thank you, you're my hero!0 -
Laughed way louder than I should have!
Well there ya go! Love it0 -
^ LMAO. THIS!0 -
*Puts on seatbelt*
And a helmet.0 -
you've already been given the definition of spot reducing multiple times. it's reducing the percentage of fat in a certain area. it's impossible.
Close, but not quite. It's not reducing the percentage of fat, it's the raw amount of fat. If I somehow build 10 pounds of new muscle without losing a single ounce of fat, my body fat percentage has still gone down
If you gained 10lbs to get that muscle, you barely changed your BF%. If you remained the same weight...then obviously you'd have lost 10lbs of fat...
I stated that the fat remained the same. This is pretty basic math: "percentage" means you're comparing the amount of fat to everything else. If everything else increases and the fat stays the same, then the percentage of fat has gone down.
If it's a "barely changed" thing that bothers you, then let's crank the number up to 50. Somehow, I've taken a giant steroid cocktail and put on 50 pounds of brand spankin' new muscle, but haven't lost any fat. Let's say I weighed 200lbs at the start and went up to 250, and that I have 40 pounds of fat on my body (both before and after).
Body fat percentage before = 40 / 200, or 20%
Body fat percentage after = 40 / 250, or 16%
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Potato,potato. I get what she is saying, maybe not spot reduce but, spot improve. All of you get so hung up on semantics! Quit harassing people on the forums and go work out.
^^^^ yes this! Thank you, you're my hero!0 -
How I feel after reading this thread:
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Oh my goodness...what a mess. I have to say that I understand what the OP was saying. I think she was merely making a statement that there are exercises out there that are more beneficial to certain parts of the bodies over other parts of the bodies. If you have a trouble area, which many of us do, there are exercises that may be better for focusing on that region. I have seen many people ask for advice on which workouts will help them with their trouble areas and instead of offering actual exercises people will just say "You can't spot reduce." Well, yes, you can't choose where your body burns fat from....but if you merely want exercises that work the muscles in a specific spot...then they exist! I have noticed a trend in people on here who are very well informed in the health and fitness area treating other people who may not be like crap just because they don't use the correct words or don't know everything already. There is no point in making someone feel stupid...it is not beneficial to anyone.0
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Could any of you tell me why you think you cannot spot reduce? I have even had a trainer tell me "you can't spot reduce" is a myth.
I'm guessing your trainer hasn't taken any college level physiology classes.0 -
You're talking about two different things.
No one is going to argue that working a particular body part isn't going to change the way that body part looks. That's the whole point of different exercises. So I don't doubt that doing specific work on a specific part made it "look better." If I do nothing but arm work - of course my arms will change, while my legs don't do anything.
That's not what's meant by "spot reduction". Spot Reduction is the myth that you can burn fat from a specific area of your body. And like many other people have already pointed out - it doesn't work that way. Let me put it this way - if you take Aleve for a headache - do you seriously believe that your body has some sort of internal "intelligence" that tells it exactly where to send the medication? I can assure you it does not. Same principle applies here. Your body only understands "lose fat." it doesn't understand "lose fat from X location." You may carry it more in certain areas, and you may lose it from certain areas first, but your body decides that - not you.
So what you're seeing is the result of the former and not the latter. Obviously if a muscle (even if it's underneath fat) gets bigger the area will look different. it doesn't mean that you specifically lost fat from that region.
Imagine the fat is peanut butter and your muscle is a balloon. Assuming I could spread a nice even layer of PB over the balloon - if I blow the balloon up, that layer will *appear* to get thinner. But I haven't taken an PB away, so I haven't "lost" any.
^^^BEST EXPLANATION FOR A DENSE PERSON YET! I HAVEN'T EVEN FINISHED READING THE THREAD, BUT I AM SURE THE OP STILL DOESN'T GET IT!0 -
I do not think the trainer was trying to sell me something. Came free with my gym membership. I suppose many trainers have different opinions though. I must say, I saw big changes in my trouble "spots" after doing what he recommended.
But wouldn't that be because you were losing fat overall, not just in the trouble spots? Doing a million sit ups might burn calories that'll help you lose tummy fat, but it'll give you leaner arms, legs, and everything else as well.0 -
Although I tend to agree with the majority here, I don't like to deal in absolute phrases. Spot reduction MAY be possible provided certain circumstances:
http://www.t-nation.com/free_online_article/most_recent/spot_reduction_is_real_heres_how_to_do_it
For the vast majority, it's better to focus on lowering overall body fat %.0 -
What if you want to spot-increase your fat?0
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You can't spot reduce.
Oh, ok. My body must be magic then.
no, your'e probably just inclined geneticlly to lose from these places. You can't spot reduce.0 -
Sure you can spot reduce.
If the knife is sharp enough.0 -
I may get a lot of crap for this, but I am so tired of people saying you cannot spot reduce.
When someone asks, how can I lose inches off my stomach or asks for good arm exercises, please do not response "you cannot spot reduce".
Weight training and programs like the 30 Day Shred really do help you "spot reduce", You can lose inches in particular spots by doing particular exercises. Otherwise, why to we kill ourselves with push ups and crunches? It is because they work.
I have done 30 Day Shred several times and a lot of inches in places that were focuses on during the workouts.
Another example, if I only weight train with my arms and not my legs, I will see a big difference in my arm "spots" lol, and not my legs.
There is hope! You just have to work for it!
You can spot reduce and you are right. However that is called liposuction. Or laser surgery lol. The human body doesn't really pick where you can lose fat from. Working every muscle in your body has benefits. You want to get the circulation on your body going through exercise, and strength training. Doesn't mean you can spot reduce every single area in your body. You cannot concentrate in one area an expect to lose FAT, and not water weight.
Spot reduction by natural selection is not possible, only by artificial means.0 -
Sure you can spot reduce.
If the knife is sharp enough.
You can spot increase to if the knife is big enough. Just cut enough and you can stuff silicon in your muscles to get huge biceps. By the way don't try this at home!0
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