Hunter-gatherers vs Westerners

Sure, right. And how many hours do I have to waste trying to prove a negative. Forget it. If you can't prove you know what you are talking about, I will simply form a logical opinion about what you believe.

You come on here, to a thread that had NOTHING to do with the paleo diet and start with your veggie propaganda, and your strawmen. I understand you veggies like to think you're superior to us meat eaters, but please keep it on your little veggie sites and leave the rest of us that live in the real world alone. I like to eat prey animals, I even like to go out and kill them myself. So while you're out there killing a poor defenseless cabbage, I'm killing a big fat juicy deer, big deal.

Wow! What a man! Do you also torture cats and dogs. I bet you even say you love animals. Creepy.

And you are the man for killing cabbage that has no chance of running away? Now that is creepy.

This actually makes sense. That tribe probably only reproduce, so to speak, with their own tribe. That may not ALWAYS be the case, but I would bet they keep within their tribe.

Very, very unlikely that the group reproduces only within.

In fact, most hunter-gatherer or nomadic groups have fairly elaborate rituals around marriage and movement within and across groups; often mating outside the group is preferred.

Not if they live on an island in the middle of the Pacific, or on the frozen tundra of the Artic.

Sorry, but you're wrong still - having lived in the North of Canada I can confirm that there is still a lot of trading and intermingling of groups (and has been for a very long time). Same with pacific islanders - they've had boats for a very long time, you know.

(I majored in Anthropology with a focus on genetics - and I think you're just making guesses?)

I don't eat meat for ethical reasons.

BINGO, and this is why anyone wanting a real opinion about a diet that has meat in it should take what this guy says with less than a grain of salt.

Ethical reasons? HA, so I assume (I know, but in this case it's a real educated guess) your ethical reasons involve not killing animals?

http://jonnybowdenblog.com/why-i-am-not-a-vegetarian/

“China Study” by Campbell represents, as mentioned, his conclusions about this data – conclusions which have been fiercely debated, by the way. He uses hand selected, cherry picked data from the study to support his rabid pro-vegan position and leaves out everything that contradicts it.

(Campbell is associated with Physicians for Responsible Medicine, a vegan animal rights group masquerading as a responsible medical organization.)

At one point, defending his “anti-animal protein” position, Campbell quoted a study done at Harvard University which, he said, had reached the exact same conclusion that he, Campbell, had reached. Even Harvard researchers agreed with him, was the implication.
A man sitting at the other end of the dais got up and introduced himself. “Excuse me, Dr. Campbell”, said the man.”I happened to be the lead researcher on that study you mentioned. And we made no such conclusions” It was David Ludwig, MD, of Harvard University.

What I find interesting about the “China Study” is that it also compltely contradicts everything that my Chinese friends tell me about what they eat “back home”. Fish, eggs, chickens, and pork, PORK! They love all of these things, they’d love more beef too when they can afford it. China is one of the least vegetarian countries on Earth.

Yippidippidoo. Nice stories, even if some of them are made up. Again, I ask you for a link to a REPUTABLE SCIENTIFIC SOURCE that "DEBUNKS" The China Study. I don't want somebody's opinion, I want a reasoned analysis.

Yes that's right Dr. Ludwig isn't a real Dr.,,,,,,,, because he eats meat? You really are making your self look bad.

Everything I have ever read about Paleo from a non-Paleo source, including US News, says the diet is awful.

As for what I said about the genome, that is standard genetics and epigenetics. It is in any textbook.

Please, of scientific one, please provide the exact quote of any "expert" saying the paleo diet is "awful"

And unless you are an expert on making Oldowan tools, my guess is you "made" your own bow using modern tools, So if civilization is so horrible, why would you do such a thing? You should first of all learn how to find hard minerals, then you should learn how to chip them so they get sharp edges, THEN you should make your bow. Remember, you are the one who says it is awful for me to "import" tofu because I am dependent upon civilization. But then you go out and do the same thing,

This actually makes sense. That tribe probably only reproduce, so to speak, with their own tribe. That may not ALWAYS be the case, but I would bet they keep within their tribe.

Very, very unlikely that the group reproduces only within.

In fact, most hunter-gatherer or nomadic groups have fairly elaborate rituals around marriage and movement within and across groups; often mating outside the group is preferred.

Not if they live on an island in the middle of the Pacific, or on the frozen tundra of the Artic.

Sorry, but you're wrong still - having lived in the North of Canada I can confirm that there is still a lot of trading and intermingling of groups (and has been for a very long time). Same with pacific islanders - they've had boats for a very long time, you know.

(I majored in Anthropology with a focus on genetics - and I think you're just making guesses?)

Really? Gee, you got what a BA in anthro? Sorry, but a BA is a waste of paper. You obviously do not know what an Isolated Community is, what a bottleneck is, or what genetic drift is. Here is an article to refresh your memory:

http://anthro.palomar.edu/synthetic/synth_5.htm

Even the Amish communities in populated states are considered isolated communities. The Inuit and Lapp populations are definitely isolated, as are the Trobriand Islanders. And yes, I did know that the Trobriand Islanders have boats, and I also know about their quaint little custom of throwing a child off the boat when the weather got rough to appease the sea gods. It was not without reason that Malinowski called them "savages." (Those were the good old days of anthro, before political correctness, and I recall a lecture by Carlton Coon when I was at Penn where he described some tribe or other, then finished the lecture by explaining, "but after all they were nothing but a bunch of savages.")

http://www.foodsafetynews.com/2012/01/dont-eat-like-a-caveman/

Also, I agree that the USNews is sort of a pop study, not rigorous, but it does involve expert opinion, and most interestingly from my point of view, it allows visitors to the site to self report their satisfaction level with the diet. I don't have it in front of me at the moment, but something like 6 to 1 of vegetarians said the diet had helped them, while, if I recall about three to one of people who had tried Paleo said it had NOT helped them.

Just what qualifies in your mind as expert? Someone that agrees with your militant views, someone that has a PHD? Or just an editor of a newspaper?

An expert in an academic field like nutrition, diabetes, obesity, etc. is someone who very likely has a Ph.D., who has published in good journals such as Nature, Science Cell, PLOS One, FEBS L, PNAS, or an equivalent ranked journal in a specific field, who has probably been featured in a review, whose article has probably been reviewed by Faculty of 1000, whose work has been covered in popular journals such as Science Daily, NewsRX or some similar journal, whose work is probably on Pub Med, etc. Is this specific enough for you, or would you like me to continue?

And unless you are an expert on making Oldowan tools, my guess is you "made" your own bow using modern tools, So if civilization is so horrible, why would you do such a thing? You should first of all learn how to find hard minerals, then you should learn how to chip them so they get sharp edges, THEN you should make your bow. Remember, you are the one who says it is awful for me to "import" tofu because I am dependent upon civilization. But then you go out and do the same thing,

The term if flint knapping,,,,, what did you say your degree was in? LOL

http://www.foodsafetynews.com/2012/01/dont-eat-like-a-caveman/

Also, I agree that the USNews is sort of a pop study, not rigorous, but it does involve expert opinion, and most interestingly from my point of view, it allows visitors to the site to self report their satisfaction level with the diet. I don't have it in front of me at the moment, but something like 6 to 1 of vegetarians said the diet had helped them, while, if I recall about three to one of people who had tried Paleo said it had NOT helped them.

Just what qualifies in your mind as expert? Someone that agrees with your militant views, someone that has a PHD? Or just an editor of a newspaper?

An expert in an academic field like nutrition, diabetes, obesity, etc. is someone who very likely has a Ph.D., who has published in good journals such as Nature, Science Cell, PLOS One, FEBS L, PNAS, or an equivalent ranked journal in a specific field, who has probably been featured in a review, whose article has probably been reviewed by Faculty of 1000, whose work has been covered in popular journals such as Science Daily, NewsRX or some similar journal, whose work is probably on Pub Med, etc. Is this specific enough for you, or would you like me to continue?

So in other words, peter pan