Forced flu shot at work

you might want to check and see if they give a provision for phylosical reasons why you don't want to,

What word is that supposed to be?

my spell check is out, I meant, phil li sophical reasons

Are you trying to say "philosophical"?

Little known fact, in most states, children don't need all those shots to get in school. Ask for the exemption paper and you will see that I speak truth.

Yes, and that's why we are seeing outbreaks of whooping cough all over the place now.

oh never mind the rise in Autusm

Are you freaking serious? No intelligent person believes there is a link between vaccines and autism. One FALSIFIED study found a link.

Not ture there are plenty of drs and scentist who beleive it

Whatever. This is an outdated, completely ignorant argument that is not worth my time. Anyone who believes this is an idiot.

It DOES NOT mean that some magical anti-flu force field surrounds you and makes you immune and/or keeps any virus from entering your system. In other words, you can still get sick, and you can definitely still spread it even if you have not gotten very sick.

So the argument that it's for the sake of the patients is B.S. It only protects the individual who received the shot. So you see, the real motivation for making all staff take shots is to make sure you don't miss any work due to flu related illness during the season.

sorry, but that is not true. There is lots of research that shows vaccinating healthcare workers really does reduce case of flu in patients.

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/15566025

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/8985189

http://sphhs.gwu.edu/departments/healthpolicy/influenza/Influenza Vaccination of the Health Care Workforce Lit Review UPDATED 06 15 11.pdf

sorry, but that is not true. There is lots of research that shows vaccinating healthcare workers really does reduce case of flu in patients.

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/15566025

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/8985189

http://sphhs.gwu.edu/departments/healthpolicy/influenza/Influenza Vaccination of the Health Care Workforce Lit Review UPDATED 06 15 11.pdf

The first thing that you need to ask in regard to these studies is if the patients/residents were swabbed for the influenza. In most studies, the researchers look at the symptoms, but there are many diseases that mimic flu symptoms. The only definitive way to determine if the patient had the flu is to swab their nose. So, were all the patients in the comparison year swabbed to see if they had the flu? If not, these are not legitimate studies. Additionally, once the patient dies, the flu virus in their body dies. So swabbing after death cannot determine if a patient died from the flu. Those patients that died may have had pneumonia. In most cases, in the wintertime, doctors will label anyone who died with pneumonia type symptoms as having died from the flu, when that may be far from the truth.

Additionally, what was the flu like during the research year. Was it a mild flu season or a terrible flu season.

Who controlled for other factors, like family member coming in with colds or the flu or nurses not washing their hands well the comparison year. These studies are worthless because there was no control over outside factors and the patients with symptoms were not swabbed for the flu. They only used symptoms for diagnosis.

I would absolutely refuse. Contains thimerosol.

My second child died from the MMR. I got to hold him while he had uncontrolled seizures that were slowly destroying his brain. He died in my arms. So I know firsthand that vaccinations can kill. You cannot tell me otherwise.

So sorry to hear this, Jade. My son got aseptic encephalitis from his MMR, but we did not lose him. How many of his disabilities and issues were caused by this, I don't know. But it's pretty scary, and especially frustrating when you deal with doctors and public health professionals who won't even report it on the adverse reaction database so that proper stats get back to the vaccine companies (and the public, for that matter.)

Most people don't realize that vaccine lots sometimes get recalled because a particular strain has caused too many deaths or emergency room visits. Small consolation for those who have had to deal with the fallout of those "incidents".

My second child died from the MMR. I got to hold him while he had uncontrolled seizures that were slowly destroying his brain. He died in my arms. So I know firsthand that vaccinations can kill. You cannot tell me otherwise.

From the third article:

"A prospective study was conducted to estimate the relative risk of hospital-acquired influenza-like illness (ILI), based on exposures to other contagious individuals. Surveillance of influenza was conducted over 3 seasons."

I don't know about you but 'hospital-acquired influenza-like illness' tells me that they didn't swab them.

Additionally, things like the following statement mean that it is not conclusive that the infections where caused by staff:

"The likely source of influenza transmission for the outbreak was from health care worker contact, as only 15% of the unit staff had been immunized against influenza."

From the abstract for the second article:

"Vaccination of health care workers (HCWs) is recommended as a strategy for preventing influenza in elderly patients in long-term care. However, there have been no controlled studies to show whether this approach is effective. During the winter of 1994-1995, 1059 patients in 12 geriatric medical long-term-care sites, randomized for vaccination of HCWs, were studied. In hospitals where HCWs were offered vaccination, 653 (61%) of 1078 were vaccinated. Vaccination of HCWs was associated with reductions in total patient mortality from 17% to 10% (odds ratio [OR], 0.56; 95% confidence interval [CI], 0.40-0.80) and in influenza-like illness (OR, 0.57; 95% CI, 0.34-0.94). Vaccination of patients was not associated with significant effects on mortality (OR, 1.15; 95% CI, 0.81-1.64). Results of this study support recommendations for vaccination against influenza of HCWs in long-term geriatric care. Vaccination of frail elderly long-term-care patients may not give clinically worthwhile benefits."

Show me where it says they were swabbed. Where are there controls regarding other factors? The fact is that other factors were not controlled.

The first study does state that the patients were swabbed. Where is the proof that the patients from the previous year got the flu from staff? Where are other factors being controlled? What was the flu like during the research year? One year of study does not mean squat.

I hold a Masters in Nursing Education and do research. These studies are meaningless unless they control factors that can and will affect the outcome. Additionally, I would like to see the actual results and plug them into my own statistical analysis graph. Statistics can be skewed to show whatever the researcher wants, which is why I like to see how they come up with the conclusion.

On top of that, who are the researchers doing the study for? In other words, who is financing the study? That makes a difference. Many universities will give the results that a corporation wants by skewing their research in order to obtain funding.

I have been a nurse for 32 years never had the flu shot or the flu.