Would I classify ____________ as water?

If you choose to use the water counter as a pure exercise in measuring only pure water, fine. But that's not the only way to get proper hydration into your body, and someone who uses it to count milk, coffee, soda, etc are (as long as they are also counting any calories that come in their liquids) using it just as "properly" as you are.

WRONG. because those items do not come close to hydrating as well as water does, if at all. that's why its a "water tracker". not a "liquids tracker".

How do you work that one out?. Seems like the Mayo clinic and other respected establishments of that ilk thing its RIGHT.

i would like to see your links to reference.

i work in the healthcare industry, and coffee/soda/milk are hardly ever credited as towards your daily water requirements within the healthcare community (i've never even heard of it). milk is actually usually classified as a food because of the digestive properties. sodas can actually dehydrate you based on if it is high in sugar, and a person's individual tolerance to it. processing sugar requires more time and also requires water to be diverted away from other parts of the body in order to digest it properly and leaves you more thirsty. so, i wouldn't necessarily call it a great "hydrator". even many sports drinks are just as high in sugar content as non-diet sodas.

if someone wants to count diet soda, [herbal] teas, light-brew coffee and low calorie sports drinks/ect as "water", then that's their choice. i personally would never, and i was responding to the OP as such.

if someone wants to go as far as counting a high caffeine drink, milk, or full sugar soda as water, i'm sorry but i simply call that utterly ridiculous and stupid.

If you ever worked in a hospital you would know that all liquids ingested are counted towards the fluid balance record that is kept for patients. This would include soup, juice, coffee, tea, milk and even jello.

If you want to go by your previous comparison, two types of meat are obviously not exactly the same but both would count towards your protein intake even if the calories are not the same. Likewise, both milk and water can count towards your hydration.

Here's your link for Mayo clinic
http://www.mayoclinic.com/health/water/NU00283

yes, i am aware that everything a patient ingests is logged.

if you want to use your "water tracker" as a "fluids tracker" instead, by all means go right ahead. but if it was mfp's intent to have its participants be concerned only with how much fluid they're ingesting rather than how much water they're ingesting, wouldn't you think that would be evident?

this is a diet and fitness website, not a hospital. if you want to log something that isn't water as water, then that's your choice. but as someone else on here already said, its usually those people that then complain that they're not getting the results they want.

I think you were the one that first mentioned the healthcare industry as a reference to back up your point, hence my comment about hospitals.

You also asked for the Mayo clinic reference regarding counting counting other fluids as water which I provided for you. I'm still waiting for a reference to your statement that other liquids don't hydrate as well as water.

Liquids that contain water can be counted as water whether for general fitness and health or for sick patients.

Count whatever makes you happy for water. My point is that if contains water, your body counts it as water.

no, i wasn't. it was someone who started throwing the words "Mayo Clinic" around that started that.

and as i've said, if you want to use your water tracker as a fluids tracker instead, then fine! my whole point was that logging EVERYTHING towards water, be it soup/coffee/tea/soda, is most likely not going to give you the hydration you're needing if you're counting each 8 oz as 8 oz of "water". even the Mayo Clinic, in their all mighty powerful article that so many people have thrown around on here, clearly state that. if you're not drinking any water, yet think you're reaching your 8x8 through soup/coffee/soda/milk, then you're sadly mistaken.

Oh, the 8x8 myth?

http://ajpregu.physiology.org/content/283/5/R993.short
http://www.snopes.com/medical/myths/8glasses.asp

seems like all the forums today are oddly hostile... so weird.

by hostile i mean argumentative... with a slightly demeaning tone.

If you choose to use the water counter as a pure exercise in measuring only pure water, fine. But that's not the only way to get proper hydration into your body, and someone who uses it to count milk, coffee, soda, etc are (as long as they are also counting any calories that come in their liquids) using it just as "properly" as you are.

WRONG. because those items do not come close to hydrating as well as water does, if at all. that's why its a "water tracker". not a "liquids tracker".

How do you work that one out?. Seems like the Mayo clinic and other respected establishments of that ilk thing its RIGHT.

i would like to see your links to reference.

i work in the healthcare industry, and coffee/soda/milk are hardly ever credited as towards your daily water requirements within the healthcare community (i've never even heard of it). milk is actually usually classified as a food because of the digestive properties. sodas can actually dehydrate you based on if it is high in sugar, and a person's individual tolerance to it. processing sugar requires more time and also requires water to be diverted away from other parts of the body in order to digest it properly and leaves you more thirsty. so, i wouldn't necessarily call it a great "hydrator". even many sports drinks are just as high in sugar content as non-diet sodas.

if someone wants to count diet soda, [herbal] teas, light-brew coffee and low calorie sports drinks/ect as "water", then that's their choice. i personally would never, and i was responding to the OP as such.

if someone wants to go as far as counting a high caffeine drink, milk, or full sugar soda as water, i'm sorry but i simply call that utterly ridiculous and stupid.

If you ever worked in a hospital you would know that all liquids ingested are counted towards the fluid balance record that is kept for patients. This would include soup, juice, coffee, tea, milk and even jello.

If you want to go by your previous comparison, two types of meat are obviously not exactly the same but both would count towards your protein intake even if the calories are not the same. Likewise, both milk and water can count towards your hydration.

Here's your link for Mayo clinic
http://www.mayoclinic.com/health/water/NU00283

yes, i am aware that everything a patient ingests is logged.

if you want to use your "water tracker" as a "fluids tracker" instead, by all means go right ahead. but if it was mfp's intent to have its participants be concerned only with how much fluid they're ingesting rather than how much water they're ingesting, wouldn't you think that would be evident?

this is a diet and fitness website, not a hospital. if you want to log something that isn't water as water, then that's your choice. but as someone else on here already said, its usually those people that then complain that they're not getting the results they want.

I think you were the one that first mentioned the healthcare industry as a reference to back up your point, hence my comment about hospitals.

You also asked for the Mayo clinic reference regarding counting counting other fluids as water which I provided for you. I'm still waiting for a reference to your statement that other liquids don't hydrate as well as water.

Liquids that contain water can be counted as water whether for general fitness and health or for sick patients.

Count whatever makes you happy for water. My point is that if contains water, your body counts it as water.

no, i wasn't. it was someone who started throwing the words "Mayo Clinic" around that started that.

and as i've said, if you want to use your water tracker as a fluids tracker instead, then fine! my whole point was that logging EVERYTHING towards water, be it soup/coffee/tea/soda, is most likely not going to give you the hydration you're needing if you're counting each 8 oz as 8 oz of "water". even the Mayo Clinic, in their all mighty powerful article that so many people have thrown around on here, clearly state that. if you're not drinking any water, yet think you're reaching your 8x8 through soup/coffee/soda/milk, then you're sadly mistaken.

You are quite sadly mistaken on more points than I can even begin to address....but the cutest one is how you think we must ingest plain water in order to lose weight...or we just won't get our results, oh noes! Get a clue.

Why do you not seem to comprehend this. There have been a plethora of links showing that yes, your can use anything that hydrates you to, well, hydrate you.

And someone has already picked up on the 8x8 comment so I won't even go there.

I like square numbers too. They're better than regular numbers ^2.

I'm pretty sure you can log beer as water.

I don't actually drink plain water on its own unless it's the middle of the night and I'm half asleep, sick, or there's nothing else in the house. Other times it makes me gag. Don't know why, it just always has. My mum gets it too.

Instead I drink a lot of tea (with a drop of skimmed milk and no sugar), coffee (black, no sugar), sugar-free cordial (8 parts water to 1 part cordial) and zero calorie sodas (pepsi max, diet coke etc).

So by everyone's logic here, as I don't drink water plain, I don't drink water at all.. I don't understand what this argument is about. I still log everything separately (even though there are very few calories in what I drink) but I also use each cup to add to my water total. Why is that wrong? If it didn't count as water, shouldn't I be dead by now if that were the case?

p.s.
I'm really sad there aren't better GIFs in this thread.......
:laugh:

I don't actually drink plain water on its own unless it's the middle of the night and I'm half asleep, sick, or there's nothing else in the house. Other times it makes me gag. Don't know why, it just always has. My mum gets it too.

Instead I drink a lot of tea (with a drop of skimmed milk and no sugar), coffee (black, no sugar), sugar-free cordial (8 parts water to 1 part cordial) and zero calorie sodas (pepsi max, diet coke etc).

So by everyone's logic here, as I don't drink water plain, I don't drink water at all.. I don't understand what this argument is about. I still log everything separately (even though there are very few calories in what I drink) but I also use each cup to add to my water total. Why is that wrong? If it didn't count as water, shouldn't I be dead by now if that were the case?

Yep. That's EXACTLY what everyone is saying. TOTALLY AND EXACTLY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Is there a "gold star" smiley???

:drinker:

Yep. That's EXACTLY what everyone is saying. TOTALLY AND EXACTLY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Is there a "gold star" smiley???

:drinker:

For a mother of 3 in your thirties, you are being a bit mean to a 19 year old girl...

I don't understand the argument in this thread... Could you please explain it to me sans sarcasm?

Sorry, I don't e-stalk everyone in every thread........I'm not really paying attention to how old everyone is since this thread is like an elementary school playground anyways.

The argument in this thread is, like, three or four fold by this point. But I think the premise is "why log XX as XX when it's not XX". Which is a very fundementalist view, but one I happen to agree with. I don't log coffee as water, I don't log chicken as fish, I don't log taking a dump as cardio. :embarassed:

Some people want to. And that's ok!

And then a whole faction of people decided to go a little off with it and say "OMG SO YOUR SAYING I NEVER TAKE IN ANY WATER OMG THATS A LIE BECAUSE LOOK AT ALL THIS STUFF I DRINK THAT IS MOSTLY MADE OF WATER YOU BIG JERK!!!!" So yeah..........that happened. I'm not really sure what that argument is about.........

Anyone can log anything as anything they want, really. And I am pretty sure no one really cares that much about what other folks log. But I'm definitely in the camp of just logging what it is.

But to each his own, kumbaya. :flowerforyou:

I think tea can be counted as water. Also Crystal Light or the like, but you also have to be sure to count the calories from it into your day.

I say we're not little kids anymore, suck it up and drink your water, or not. Personally I would hope that everyone is drinking more than enough for their size and exertion level.

For the people that don't like the flavor of water, buy some citrus and add a squeeze to your glass, water bottle or whatever. Lemon even goes nice after a shot of tequila for those going that route:ohwell: :ohwell:

Unless MFP outlines the proper way to log water, just count it any way that helps you keep track of your intake.
Sheesh... I was just researching/looking for some guidelines to adding water myself, and I see this thread gotten way off track.
A little common sense would go a long way here. First of all... I would try to be nice, or at least respectful in my delivery of any information, no matter how much I thought someone was being ridiculous. We are here to work on our goals and support each other. If you just want to argue or banter, there are sites like "FaceBook" that offer plenty of opportunities for that. I suggest that the direction of this thread be ended now as it has not been a positive contribution. Good luck and best wishes to everyone here!

I say we're not little kids anymore, suck it up and drink your water, or not. Personally I would hope that everyone is drinking more than enough for their size and exertion level.

For the people that don't like the flavor of water, buy some citrus and add a squeeze to your glass, water bottle or whatever. Lemon even goes nice after a shot of tequila for those going that route:ohwell: :ohwell:

Didn't you read the thread? If you add citrus to it, it's not water any more.