Smokers – selfish scum or persecuted minority?
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I dont smoke but I find all the anti smoking crap to be over the top. Here in Ohio smoking is banned in all public places which is crazy. If I own a business, it should be my choice as to whether or not I allow smoking in my establishment. If someone wants to eat at my restaurant but doesnt like all the smoke, guess what? They can go eat somewhere else. No one is making them eat there. You have to make a choice. Either my food is so good that you will put up with the smoke, or you can go eat else where. Pretty simple. Here in the town I live in I have seen businesses go out of business due to the smoking ban. Bowling allies are getting crushed. Smokers are not going to spend their money at a place, spend 4-5 hours there and not be able to smoke. Also, the whole argument that smokers cost us money in healthcare is also false. Smokers die younger, thats a fact. Therefore, they save us money in the long run. What ever happen to personal choices and personal responsibility? Whatever happen to a property owners right to decide what they are going to allow on their own property? The nanny state is out of control. And there is no shortage of people that think that anything they dont like should be banned. Its crazy.0
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i was a smoker,,, i now do 2 to 3 hours of cardio a day!0
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OP: While I would love to get into this, I've seen most of such topics get shut down. May I suggest you the debate group?
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Can't stand when people smoke in front of kids. It should be a form of child abuse, if not attempted murder. Makes me sick to think any PARENT would put there child in harms way.0
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Neither, some smokers are considerate, but there are a few who are not and don't take into account their surroundings when lighting up.
I am glad smoking is banned in public places here i the UK, I don't want to breathe other people smoke in, but fully respect those that are considerate.0 -
As someone who feels ill around cigarette smoke, I consider smoking to be a public nuisance. Your addiction should not trump my ability to breathe. So, yes, I am in favor banning smoking in public places, just like I am in favor public noise ordinances and open bottle laws. That said, I don't understand people who feel the need to "enlighten" smokers about the dangers of their habit.0
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OP: While I would love to get into this, I've seen most of such topics get shut down. May I suggest you the debate group?
http://www.myfitnesspal.com/forums/show/133-debatable-debating
@taunto Thanks, did not know about this :bigsmile:0 -
I used to smoke. It helped me to escape the stresses of life.
In saying that, I would make sure I was away from children and asked people around me if it was okay if I lit up where I was.0 -
Can't stand when people smoke in front of kids. It should be a form of child abuse, if not attempted murder. Makes me sick to think any PARENT would put there child in harms way.
That is absolute insanity. First of all, a persons kids are their kids not yours. Second, there is not a single study anywhere in the world that proves that second hand smoke is as dangerous as people try to make it out to be. My advice, worry about your own kids and stay out of other peoples business.0 -
I quit smoking two weeks ago though I miss it dearly. I totally understand when people are aggravated by smoke- thus, why when I lit up it was far from people and in a large, open area no where near doorways or walkways.
Strolling past a smoker and coughing is absolutely ridiculous, you have plenty of room and are being obnoxious.
I don't think people should be allowed to own large, useless trucks that pollute the environment due to their moronic design but hey, freedom of choice.0 -
As someone who feels ill around cigarette smoke, I consider smoking to be a public nuisance. Your addiction should not trump my ability to breathe. So, yes, I am in favor banning smoking in public places, just like I am in favor public noise ordinances and open bottle laws. That said, I don't understand people who feel the need to "enlighten" smokers about the dangers of their habit.
So you think you have the right to tell me I cant allow smoking in my own restaurant?0 -
If you want to kill yourself why don't you buy a knife instead of sending away $10 every couple of days0
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wont date a smoker. ewwwwwwwwwwwwww!!! @ u! lol0
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If you want to kill yourself why don't you buy a knife instead of sending away $10 every couple of days
Wouldnt that be my choice to make? Its my money right?0 -
wont date a smoker. ewwwwwwwwwwwwww!!! @ u! lol
Nothing wrong with that. That is certainly your choice to make. I wont date a girl with tattoos or piercings in their face but I dont try to ban tattoos and piercings.0 -
If you want to kill yourself why don't you buy a knife instead of sending away $10 every couple of days
Because I don't want my family to get any of my money when I die!!!
MY MONEY!0 -
People should not be allowed to smoke in any place where the smoke might be inhaled by myself or my children. They should not be allowed to smoke in any place where any children whatsoever might inhale the smoke. That includes pretty much anywhere, including inside their homes in the case of an apartment building or thickly settled neighborhood unless they live in a place that is isolated enough. I used to be a smoker, quit four years ago. I'm ashamed that I exposed other people to cigarette smoke but I was ignorant at the time.0
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People should not be allowed to smoke in any place where the smoke might be inhaled by myself or my children. They should not be allowed to smoke in any place where any children whatsoever might inhale the smoke. That includes pretty much anywhere, including inside their homes in the case of an apartment building or thickly settled neighborhood unless they live in a place that is isolated enough. I used to be a smoker, quit four years ago. I'm ashamed that I exposed other people to cigarette smoke but I was ignorant at the time.
Wow. Perhaps you would have been much happier living in the Soviet Union. Is this a joke? you really think you should be able to dictate what I allow not only in my place of business but also in my own home? I can only hope that you are part of a very small minority.0 -
If you want to kill yourself why don't you buy a knife instead of sending away $10 every couple of days
Wouldnt that be my choice to make? Its my money right?
So long as I don't have to get any of it second hand which includes when I'm walking down the street or trying to enjoy some fresh air in a park, or clean up your mess, yeah go kill yourself wherever you like.0 -
MDWilliams1857, No studies done?...Really?....Where do you come from!!! Do some research pal!!! Give your kids a chance!! Stop smoking!!0
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If you want to kill yourself why don't you buy a knife instead of sending away $10 every couple of days
Wouldnt that be my choice to make? Its my money right?
So long as I don't have to get any of it second hand which includes when I'm walking down the street or trying to enjoy some fresh air in a park, or clean up your mess, yeah go kill yourself wherever you like.
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Like I said I dont smoke. Im just amazed at how many people want to ban everything they dont like. Personally, I would rather sit in a restaurant full of smokers than sit in a restaurant with one screaming kid that wont shut up. Kids should be banned, not smokers. Same with movie theaters. Also, anyone that wears pachuli should be banned from coming near me.0 -
I have never smoked, but I do have compassion for smokers. I understand that it is an extremely difficult habit to break.
That being said, I do think that it is child abuse to smoke around children and extremely incosiderate to smoke around anyone else. I also don't think that Medicare or Medicaid should have to pay reoccuring medical bills associated with smoking or that the hospitals or doctors should have to absorb the cost; especially when someone isn't making an attempt to stop.
I am a nurse, and it gets very frustrating to have a patient with a respiratory diagnosis that smokes and has every intention of continuing to smoke. Sure it's your right to smoke, but is it your right to have others suffer the financial burdens of your habit?0 -
MDWilliams1857, No studies done?...Really?....Where do you come from!!! Do some research pal!!! Give your kids a chance!! Stop smoking!!
I dont smoke. Try reading my posts. And yes, no study has ever proven that second hand smoke is as dangerous as people try to make it out to be. Read up on it.0 -
http://www.cancer.org/Cancer/CancerCauses/TobaccoCancer/secondhand-smoke
Here's your study!!! Read up.... Straight from the American Cancer Society....second has smoke is more dangerous!!0 -
People should not be allowed to smoke in any place where the smoke might be inhaled by myself or my children. They should not be allowed to smoke in any place where any children whatsoever might inhale the smoke. That includes pretty much anywhere, including inside their homes in the case of an apartment building or thickly settled neighborhood unless they live in a place that is isolated enough. I used to be a smoker, quit four years ago. I'm ashamed that I exposed other people to cigarette smoke but I was ignorant at the time.
Wow. Perhaps you would have been much happier living in the Soviet Union. Is this a joke? you really think you should be able to dictate what I allow not only in my place of business but also in my own home? I can only hope that you are part of a very small minority.
People have a right to live without being exposed to toxic, carcinogenic smoke.0 -
I don't think smokers are selfish scum but I don't think they're 'persecuted' either.
I think part of the problem for non-smokers is that cigarette smoke really is disgusting. It smells bad and clings to your clothes so it makes you smell bad. I don't like spending time in a smoky atmosphere because I find it so unpleasant. I'm not sure smokers are actually aware of just how bad it/they can smell.
To me it's no different to asking me to sit next to a piss-soaked wino, except he won't bleat on and on about being opressed.0 -
So far people are commenting on how smokers are inconsiderate. The debate isnt whether or not smokers should be more considerate. Should a business owner be told that they cant allow smoking in their own establishment?0
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I think smoking should be banned completely in public places, not just in places with "3 or more walls" like it seems to be here. Why should I have to breathe in the smoke because of someone else's bad choices? There is very clearly a sign outside the door of my work stating that it's a no smoking area, however people stand and smoke there every single day, including my manager. I shouldn't have to be breathing in YOUR smoke to get to my own job. It's disgusting. The smell is vile enough, but the smoke really affects my breathing and I end up coughing for a long time after inhaling it.
It's the same for smoking in the street, if I'm walking behind someone and all of a sudden they light up and I'm hit in the face with a cloud of smoke, I really don't appreciate that. It's not a case of walking past and coughing to be obnoxious, it's coughing because I can't help it. My lungs are not accustomed to being filled with smoke, if you have the right to blow smoke in my face, I have the right to cough when you do so.
Smoke all you like in your own home, but anywhere in public should be completely banned. I'm all for people making their own choices, until those choices start affecting others. It's a vile, disgusting habit. I genuinely can't see why anyone in this day and age continues to smoke, or worse, picks up the habit. Find something else to calm your nerves or your stress, something that won't harm you/your surroundings.0 -
I don't think smokers are selfish scum but I don't think they're 'persecuted' either.
I think part of the problem for non-smokers is that cigarette smoke really is disgusting. It smells bad and clings to your clothes so it makes you smell bad. I don't like spending time in a smoky atmosphere because I find it so unpleasant. I'm not sure smokers are actually aware of just how bad it/they can smell.
To me it's no different to asking me to sit next to a piss-soaked wino, except he won't bleat on and on about being opressed.
So who is forcing you to sit in smokey atmospheres? You can always leave right?0 -
I'd like to enjoy a meal without inhaling a cancerous toxin!!0
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