Smokers – selfish scum or persecuted minority?
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We're a persecuted minority. :smokin:
If I'm outside in the open air, I don't see why people should come up to me and lecture me - especially when they're half my age. :grumble:0 -
I'm not a fan of people who smoke in public. I think it's rude.
Bottom line is you shouldn't really have the right to smoke in public. It is an addiction, and I hate it for you, but do it at home. Aside from bothering people with allergies or asthma, you're also setting a bad example for the kids that may be around you.................
Oh boo hoo the poor children. And there is no allergy to smoke. Anyone that says they are allergic to smoke is lying. Alleriges are caused by various proteins and cig smoke contains no proteins.0 -
Can't stand when people smoke in front of kids. It should be a form of child abuse, if not attempted murder. Makes me sick to think any PARENT would put there child in harms way.
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Can't stand when people smoke in front of kids. It should be a form of child abuse, if not attempted murder. Makes me sick to think any PARENT would put there child in harms way.
^this
Makes me sick that any parent would cuss in front of a child. Makes me sick that any parent would feed their child a cheeseburger. makes me sick that any parent would let their child ride in the back of a truck. Makes me sick that any parent would let their child mow the grass. Where does this all end? Makes me sick that any parent would raise their child to be a Democrat, talk about child abuse!0 -
I plan to quit soon but sadly this thread reminds me why I love smoking so much.
I get to piss off uptight people.0 -
Oh boo hoo the poor children. And there is no allergy to smoke. Anyone that says they are allergic to smoke is lying. Alleriges are caused by various proteins and cig smoke contains no proteins.
I have no idea where you're getting your information, but this really isn't correct. People can be allergic to many things, slight irritations can trigger asthmatic or what can also be considered an allergic reaction. The contents of cigarette smoke is made up of many different things, which can indeed cause irritation to the breather.
Honest question here, because I'm curious, I'm not trying to prove a point: what do you do for a living or what degrees do you hold? I just want to get an idea of where this information is coming from.0 -
obese people smell bad? you ignorant arrogant moron!!
smoking people smell bad? you ignorant arrogant moron!!
see my point?
No I don't see your point. Smokers smell of smoke, it's unavoidable. Some non smokers smell bad whether they are obese or thin as a rake. One is not connected to the other.
I would say 8 outta 10 of the real obese people i see have a strong smell. Honestly the bit i dont get
Both make the person less atractive
both cost the goverment money
Both destroy peoples lifes
both ruin the kids life
why the hell is it ok to say we can bully this group but not the others?
It honestly makes no sense to me at all.
If i made the same thread about a woman chosing to love her obesity it would be
oh you hero, so brave so idependent.
why is one detrimental habit ok and the other not? please tell me because i see no logic in it.
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Uh I don't smell, my son is healthy and fit and i have never destroyed his life. I haven't cost the government one damn cent because I pay my own way in life. And I am far from lazy. I always see people of various sizes park right by doors at the store, I park as far away as I can. Always have. Just because I think it is good to walk. But it doesn't matter what I say, your view of fatties will stay the same. So i am not going to explain my self, not worth my fatty time.
On the other hand I watched my grandfather die from lung cancer at the age of 15, I had to feed him through a tube. All his expenses were paid for by the VA. I then watched his wife, my grandma, die of lung cancer 3 years ago. This also cost the government money and they always reeked of smoke. And i had to endure the second hand smoke.
I think comparing obese people to smokers is ridiculous. How is my big fattiness, doing any thing to harm you if i am in the same room as you? I am not forcing you to breath in second hand fatty. My fat will not give you lung cancer.0 -
Can't stand when people smoke in front of kids. It should be a form of child abuse, if not attempted murder. Makes me sick to think any PARENT would put there child in harms way.
^this
Makes me sick that any parent would cuss in front of a child. Makes me sick that any parent would feed their child a cheeseburger. makes me sick that any parent would let their child ride in the back of a truck. Makes me sick that any parent would let their child mow the grass. Where does this all end? Makes me sick that any parent would raise their child to be a Democrat, talk about child abuse!
Warning swearing involved but highly related. :laugh:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jo2Y4PzTCOc 0 -
I plan to quit soon but sadly this thread reminds me why I love smoking so much.
I get to piss off uptight people.
I'm not uptight at all. But smoking bothers me tremendously. I can not breathe in it. It also irritates my eyes. I don't have a problem with people smoking. It is their choice. But I think there should be designated smoking areas in any establishment that allows it.0 -
I'm a total hypocrite. I wouldn't date a smoker, yet I smoke cigars regularly.
I've never smoked cigarettes, but love a cigar when I am BBQing or working in the yard. It's a personal choice. Don't care what label (selfish scum or persecuted minority) that I am assigned.0 -
Oh boo hoo the poor children. And there is no allergy to smoke. Anyone that says they are allergic to smoke is lying. Alleriges are caused by various proteins and cig smoke contains no proteins.
Sweet. Please tell that to my sinuses. Because everytime I attend a show in a smoky bar, my nose pours blood the next day.
And make sure my eyes get the memo cause they burn like hell when I'm around smoke...0 -
As someone who feels ill around cigarette smoke, I consider smoking to be a public nuisance. Your addiction should not trump my ability to breathe. So, yes, I am in favor banning smoking in public places, just like I am in favor public noise ordinances and open bottle laws. That said, I don't understand people who feel the need to "enlighten" smokers about the dangers of their habit.
I agree with this 100%0 -
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Uh I don't smell, my son is healthy and fit and i have never destroyed his life. I haven't cost the government one damn cent because I pay my own way in life. And I am far from lazy. I always see people of various sizes park right by doors at the store, I park as far away as I can. Always have. Just because I think it is good to walk. But it doesn't matter what I say, your view of fatties will stay the same. So i am not going to explain my self, not worth my fatty time.
On the other hand I watched my grandfather die from lung cancer at the age of 15, I had to feed him through a tube. All his expenses were paid for by the VA. I then watched his wife, my grandma, die of lung cancer 3 years ago. This also cost the government money and they always reeked of smoke. And i had to endure the second hand smoke.
I think comparing obese people to smokers is ridiculous. How is my big fattiness, doing any thing to harm you if i am in the same room as you? I am not forcing you to breath in second hand fatty. My fat will not give you lung cancer.
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i promise you are the minority
Every obese person i see has atleast 1 obese kid. People can't deude themselfs into thinking the kids life wont be much worse off.0 -
Oh boo hoo the poor children. And there is no allergy to smoke. Anyone that says they are allergic to smoke is lying. Alleriges are caused by various proteins and cig smoke contains no proteins.
I have no idea where you're getting your information, but this really isn't correct. People can be allergic to many things, slight irritations can trigger asthmatic or what can also be considered an allergic reaction. The contents of cigarette smoke is made up of many different things, which can indeed cause irritation to the breather.
Honest question here, because I'm curious, I'm not trying to prove a point: what do you do for a living or what degrees do you hold? I just want to get an idea of where this information is coming from.
Irritations sure. Maybe you dont like smoke. Maybe too much smoke burns your eyes (it will burn everyones eyes) But smoke does NOT contain proteins and ALL allergies are caused by proteins. Therefore, there is no such thing as being "allergic" to smoke. Cant happen. Feel free to ask your doctor. There is no such thing as "considered and allergic reaction" it either is or isnt an allergic reaction.0 -
I hate second hand smoke.
I like first hand smoke.0 -
they didn't say allergic to smoke, they said 'people with allergies or asthma'....I'm not a fan of people who smoke in public. I think it's rude.
Bottom line is you shouldn't really have the right to smoke in public. It is an addiction, and I hate it for you, but do it at home. Aside from bothering people with allergies or asthma, you're also setting a bad example for the kids that may be around you.................
Oh boo hoo the poor children. And there is no allergy to smoke. Anyone that says they are allergic to smoke is lying. Alleriges are caused by various proteins and cig smoke contains no proteins.
I have allergies.
Smoke irritates me, makes me feel sick0 -
Oh boo hoo the poor children. And there is no allergy to smoke. Anyone that says they are allergic to smoke is lying. Alleriges are caused by various proteins and cig smoke contains no proteins.
Sweet. Please tell that to my sinuses. Because everytime I attend a show in a smoky bar, my nose pours blood the next day.
And make sure my eyes get the memo cause they burn like hell when I'm around smoke...
Burning eyes caused by smoke is not an allergic reaction. But my advice would be to not attend places that allow smoking. If you do that, then i guarantee you will not have burning eyes caused by cig smoke.0 -
I plan to quit soon but sadly this thread reminds me why I love smoking so much.
I get to piss off uptight people.
I'm not uptight at all. But smoking bothers me tremendously. I can not breathe in it. It also irritates my eyes. I don't have a problem with people smoking. It is their choice. But I think there should be designated smoking areas in any establishment that allows it.
Some people get deathly ill from peanut dust. I don't plan to stop eating those either.
You people have already won that fight in more and more places. Not only are smokers designated to a certain area, anymore you just can't smoke inside. Anywhere. Then they start making rules about how far you have to be from a building to smoke. It never ends.
I won't tell you how to live your life if you don't tell me how to live mine.0 -
they didn't say allergic to smoke, they said 'people with allergies or asthma'....I'm not a fan of people who smoke in public. I think it's rude.
Bottom line is you shouldn't really have the right to smoke in public. It is an addiction, and I hate it for you, but do it at home. Aside from bothering people with allergies or asthma, you're also setting a bad example for the kids that may be around you.................
Oh boo hoo the poor children. And there is no allergy to smoke. Anyone that says they are allergic to smoke is lying. Alleriges are caused by various proteins and cig smoke contains no proteins.
I have allergies.
Smoke irritates me, makes me feel sick
Then I would give you the same advice. Dont attend places that allow smoking. Simple fix.0 -
Before I moved to NYC, smoking didn't bother me that much. Now, I live in an area where a lot of tourists from Europe stay and I guess all of Europe smokes because it's rare that I see anyone around here without a cigarette. UR POLLUTIN MAH AIR0
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I plan to quit soon but sadly this thread reminds me why I love smoking so much.
I get to piss off uptight people.
I'm not uptight at all. But smoking bothers me tremendously. I can not breathe in it. It also irritates my eyes. I don't have a problem with people smoking. It is their choice. But I think there should be designated smoking areas in any establishment that allows it.
Some people get deathly ill from peanut dust. I don't plan to stop eating those either.
You people have already won that fight in more and more places. Not only are smokers designated to a certain area, anymore you just can't smoke inside. Anywhere. Then they start making rules about how far you have to be from a building to smoke. It never ends.
I won't tell you how to live your life if you don't tell me how to live mine.
Yes, thats another one that bugs me. My daughter came home from school with a note that said no peanut butter sandwiches are allowed at lunch because there is a kid at school that is allergic to peanuts. So because one kid has an allergy, thousands cant have a sandwich. Instead of the parents of this kid taking precautions for their child, they expect everyone else to cater to them. How is that fair to the kids that love peanut butter? Just more of the same BS>0 -
Then I would give you the same advice. Dont attend places that allow smoking. Simple fix.
public streets allow smoking........
non smokers should just stay indoors, i guess.
Who knew the MD in your name stood for Major ****head.......0 -
When I lived in NYC, it would annoy me to be waiting in a bus line next to a smoker and be hit in the face with second hand smoke for the 20-30 minute wait. Numerous times I even offered to hold their place in line, and they refused to step back even a few feet, resulting in me then having to ask someone else to hold my spot so I could back away (which some people flat out refused to do).
I'm asthmatic. If you want to kill yourself fine, but don't don't be inconsiderate to the rest of us. Thanks.
I think they have passed the public smoking ban since then.0 -
Then I would give you the same advice. Dont attend places that allow smoking. Simple fix.
public streets allow smoking........
non smokers should just stay indoors, i guess.
Who knew the MD in your name stood for Major ****head.......
Well then I guess you just have to get over it huh? I guess the world doesnt cater to you and you dont like it? We should all ask you what you like and then act accordingly?0 -
I'm a total hypocrite. I wouldn't date a smoker, yet I smoke cigars regularly.
I've never smoked cigarettes, but love a cigar when I am BBQing or working in the yard. It's a personal choice. Don't care what label (selfish scum or persecuted minority) that I am assigned.
I'm with you RD, never had a cigarette in my life, but I enjoy a cigar outdoors working or fishing or in the barn when working on the bike. When I'm out hunting, I put a "pinch" in to pass the time in a tree stand.0 -
Well then I guess you just have to get over it huh? I guess the world doesnt cater to you and you dont like it? We should all ask you what you like and then act accordingly?
It's just not really the logical thing to do.
If someone is participating in a harmful activity. A drug addiction, that can negatively affect the health of the people in the nearby area.... Why would we allow them to do it in public?
I'm fine with people who don't really care about their health/performance and choose to smoke. But I don't think I should have to change my day around to avoid the health hazards posed by their ignorance.0 -
Irritations sure. Maybe you dont like smoke. Maybe too much smoke burns your eyes (it will burn everyones eyes) But smoke does NOT contain proteins and ALL allergies are caused by proteins. Therefore, there is no such thing as being "allergic" to smoke. Cant happen. Feel free to ask your doctor. There is no such thing as "considered and allergic reaction" it either is or isnt an allergic reaction.
This is only partially correct. It doesn't have to start as a protein, it only needs to bind to protein once it's in the body to cause an allergic reaction or a hypersensitive reaction. You still didn't answer my question.0 -
And yes, I can be a ****head. I dont deny that. I have no compassion for self absorbed people who think they should be able to tell others how to live. It bothers me. This is a true story that tok place years ago when I smoked. I was bowling and one of the wives of a guy on the team we were against apparently didnt like my smoke. So she says with a real snooty attitude " Um, you know Im breathing half your cigarette smoke" So I respond "Oh Yea, then you should be paying for half my Fing cigarettes"0
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Persecuted when they are the only one exposed to the smoke. If they want to smoke and they know the risks, it's not different to me than if they liked drinking until they passed out every night. As long as you're not bothering anyone else.
Selfish when it's blowing in my face for more than 30 seconds solid or if you have people that can't get away from it (children, pets or are smoking in a small enclosed space like an elevator). A lot of the smoker parents I know ALWAYS go outside their home or apartment to smoke because they don't want to risk hurting their pets or kids lungs. Even if the risk is small (which i doesn't seem to be), their child is much more important to them that having a cig now versus in 1 min.
It's all about the control. If you control it, good. If it controls you, you need to decide if that's worth it.0 -
I have both asthma and allergies and I can smell someone smoking if a car passes me and the wondow is open and someone is smoking. I'm glad you can't smoke in public. I have lost family memebers to lung cancer and my mother is on oxygen because of being a chain smoker. I'm very much against it. But I'm not a perfect person. My bad habits don't affect anyones health though.0
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