Anyone else have issues with low carb diets?
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South Beach includes many vegetables from day one and most fruits and whole grains after 2 weeks. I really don't consider South Beach a "low carb" diet.
oh, I wasn't aware of that - I stand corrected then, thank you.
Paleo/primal also doesn't completely consider "carbs" the enemy. They consider industrialized agriculture mass-produced frankenfoods the enemy. Those, generally, are high-carb. Obviously by eliminating them, you eat less carbs. I eat a ton of veggies and fruit every day. I average about 100g-120g carb a day (I say average because M-F it's only about 60-80g but weekends boost that store with more). I eat normal amounts of meat (generally 2, 4-6 oz servings a day), I have increased my fat intake. I have never replaced veggies or fruits with meat. I ADD the fat, not replace something else for it.0 -
I think you are misterming this as low carb
I am on a 'low carb diet' my doctor advised it for diabetes II - to do this I limt my carbs to 45-60 g 3 times a day mostly from veg and pulses some whole grains so I eat between 120-180 g of carb a day but within my calorie goal of 1200
The diets you are talking about are really high protein diets where the carb intake in so low the dieter goes in ketosis
Would you mind not bundling us all together because I do think eat quite healthy
fair point, and well taken
I should have been more specific about what I think constitutes "low carb"
as an aside, please see what I posted to the other T2 diabetic poster above about glycemic index and dietary fat - I think it could help you.0 -
My main issue with low carb diets is that they are low carb and carbs are delicious.
This for me too.
I have been doing low (for me) carb. Trying to keep it to 45% of my calories. This is a huge change from what I have been doing before.0 -
I am T2 and I do workouts. BUT I am not 30 years old anymore, either. I don't work out every day. This morning, I woke up with a fasting sugar of 127....not good. But that was because I was carb heavy yesterday. Today I cut it way back.
Losing weight low carb is very effective. But if I were NOT diabetic, I would up my carbs a bit so I could enjoy more. But, for me, the point is moot. I will be low carb the rest of my life, with some rare situations like parties or dinner out. I want to stay OFF my meds for good.
Great job getting off the meds.0 -
Of course, she talked about the effect of ketosis on the kidneys, not fuel sources for the brain. Besides, the fact that the brain can use ketones doesn't change the fact that glucose is the brain's preferred source.
Not exactly. If glucose is available, the brain will use it. As far as "preferred", however, the brain has been shown to run better on ketones. The brain only truly requires about 30g to 40g glucose, which can be synthesized by the body, but it will use around 120g to 130g if available.0 -
I just don't believe in a "diet" at all. It's about good, balanced nutrition. Tracking calories. Exercising. "Diets" - low carb or otherwise- are attempts at taking a shortcut, and in my opinion shortcuts are usually a mistake.0
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Doesn't help that Dr. Atkins, founder of "The Atkins Diet," died from a heart attack. believe what you will, but any diet high in saturated fats will deffinately raise cholesterol.0
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I don't really understand the obsession with low carb diets. I also understand that they do take off pounds, and sometimes pretty quickly. But really, can you just sit around knawing on slabs of meat for the rest of your life? I can't. I eat a plant based diet now (partially thanks to Forks Over Knives, which I DID see), but even before this it would have made me sad to give up my fruits and veggies. Carbs are not the enemy, processed carbs that are so far from their natural state that they are unrecognizable are the enemy. The bananas, leave them alone, they are okay!0
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I get what you're saying, but long term ketosis can absolutely lead to ketoacidosis.ketoacidosis != ketosis
ketosis is fine.
Almost never will ketosis lead to diabetic ketoacidosis in someone whose body can still produce insulin. (There is a rare case other than that, but I can't think of what it is.)
you're confusing ketoacidosis with diabetic ketoacidosis - they are not one in the same, they are two completely different pathologies. it is completely possible for long term ketois to develop into ketoacidosis - it happens all the time in starvation acidosis, what you see frequently in anorexia nervosa.0 -
Doesn't help that Dr. Atkins, founder of "The Atkins Diet," died from a heart attack. believe what you will, but any diet high in saturated fats will deffinately raise cholesterol.
No he didn't. He died from complications from a slip and fall. At the age of 72.0 -
Doesn't help that Dr. Atkins, founder of "The Atkins Diet," died from a heart attack. believe what you will, but any diet high in saturated fats will deffinately raise cholesterol.
No he didn't.
I'm appalled that your avi appears to be a personal training certification when you have such a poor understanding of nutrition. I hope you don't offer dietary advice to clients.0 -
Of course, she talked about the effect of ketosis on the kidneys, not fuel sources for the brain. Besides, the fact that the brain can use ketones doesn't change the fact that glucose is the brain's preferred source.
Not exactly. If glucose is available, the brain will use it. As far as "preferred", however, the brain has been shown to run better on ketones. The brain only truly requires about 30g to 40g glucose, which can be synthesized by the body, but it will use around 120g to 130g if available.
the brain cannot run on zero glucose - that was the only point I was making.
ketogenic diets are especially helpful for those with epilepsy actually because ketones essentially slow the activity of the brain.
this is why people often complain of headaches and mental fogginess while on low carb diets.0 -
I don't really understand the obsession with low carb diets. I also understand that they do take off pounds, and sometimes pretty quickly. But really, can you just sit around knawing on slabs of meat for the rest of your life? I can't. I eat a plant based diet now (partially thanks to Forks Over Knives, which I DID see), but even before this it would have made me sad to give up my fruits and veggies. Carbs are not the enemy, processed carbs that are so far from their natural state that they are unrecognizable are the enemy. The bananas, leave them alone, they are okay!
yes! I agree 100%, thank you.0 -
Doesn't help that Dr. Atkins, founder of "The Atkins Diet," died from a heart attack. believe what you will, but any diet high in saturated fats will deffinately raise cholesterol.
No he didn't. He died from complications from a slip and fall. At the age of 72.
the slip and fall was a result of a heart attack0 -
And on the flipside:
http://articles.timesofindia.indiatimes.com/2012-10-22/health/34652373_1_high-carb-cognitive-decline-mild-cognitive-impairment
Seniors gorging on a carb rich diet are four times more likely to develop mild cognitive impairment- an early warning of Alzheimer's disease, shows a new research.0 -
Doesn't help that Dr. Atkins, founder of "The Atkins Diet," died from a heart attack. believe what you will, but any diet high in saturated fats will deffinately raise cholesterol.
No he didn't.
I'm appalled that your avi appears to be a personal training certification when you have such a poor understanding of nutrition. I hope you don't offer dietary advice to clients.
c'mon be nice.... let's not take it there0 -
But really, can you just sit around knawing on slabs of meat for the rest of your life? I can't.
Yes! Well, not all the time, but most of the time.Carbs are not the enemy, processed carbs that are so far from their natural state that they are unrecognizable are the enemy. The bananas, leave them alone, they are okay!
Correct, but it depends on your goals. Carbs are a tool to elicit a response from the body. Use them (even the bad ones you mentioned) for specific purposes and they are amazingly effective.
See Carb Backloading and Carb Nite Solution. Amazing ways to harness the powers of ketosis and carbs together to get the best of both low carb and carb usage.0 -
Doesn't help that Dr. Atkins, founder of "The Atkins Diet," died from a heart attack. believe what you will, but any diet high in saturated fats will deffinately raise cholesterol.
No he didn't. He died from complications from a slip and fall. At the age of 72.
the slip and fall was a result of a heart attack
His doctors were treating him for a heart problem, but it was related to an infection and had nothing to do with his diet.0 -
2 issues I have with low carb diet: It makes me want to kill myself and it's completely unnecessary for getting in shape or staying lean.
LOL this! ...:drinker:0 -
I try to stay at about 100 carbs a day which is very very mild ketosis. This is literally the only way I can lose weight. After having 2 kids and being on bed rest with both of them, I gained a lot of weight and my metabolism is shot!0
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And on the flipside:
http://articles.timesofindia.indiatimes.com/2012-10-22/health/34652373_1_high-carb-cognitive-decline-mild-cognitive-impairment
Seniors gorging on a carb rich diet are four times more likely to develop mild cognitive impairment- an early warning of Alzheimer's disease, shows a new research.
there's nothing about the source of the carbs in that study/article. I thought I was pretty clear when I was disputing non-processed naturally occurring carbs such as fruit and vegetables.0 -
I completely agree that people are going to use what they want to use to lose weight. I'm currently on a very low carb diet, but I am also doing it with a doctor's supervision, and the way I've been told to do it is with low-cholesterol, low-fat, lean proteins. I can't eat all the eggs and bacon I want (as I had a friend yell at me before, because she thought that's what I was doing...). I'm also doing this because I'm insulin intolerant. My body simply can't process the insulin being made, so the glucose isn't getting into my cells.
I also know a bit about biology. Yes, the brain can only use glucose for energy, but pyruvate can be converted into glucose via gluconeogenesis (creation of glucose from a non-carb substance). It takes longer than just ingesting a carb with glucose, but it does the same thing.
To avoid kidney damage, most people don't know to up their water intake...by a LOT. I drink about 168oz of water a day so that the nephrons in my kidneys don't crystallize into kidney stones because of my diet. I also take vitamins for any other nutrients that I'm not getting through food. And I can eat fruits and veggies, but just the non-starchy ones.
It CAN be done in a more healthful way, but I know that most people hear low carb and think that the person only eats meat and loses weight. And you are correct...THAT is very unhealthy. But it can be done. I still have over 100lbs to lose, and my doctor is adjusting my calorie intake based on how fast I lose, so I'm still losing fast, but not in way that will be harmful to me long-term.0 -
I try to stay at about 100 carbs a day which is very very mild ketosis. This is literally the only way I can lose weight. After having 2 kids and being on bed rest with both of them, I gained a lot of weight and my metabolism is shot!
exercise raises metabolism like crazy - keep doing what you're doing if you're happy, but if you want to adjust, you might want to consider upping the exercise.0 -
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It's not my excessive caloric intake and desk job that made me fat, it was THAT BANANA.
*shakes fist*0 -
Doesn't help that Dr. Atkins, founder of "The Atkins Diet," died from a heart attack. believe what you will, but any diet high in saturated fats will deffinately raise cholesterol.
No he didn't.
I'm appalled that your avi appears to be a personal training certification when you have such a poor understanding of nutrition. I hope you don't offer dietary advice to clients.
c'mon be nice.... let's not take it there
wasn't trying to be a ****. But I think teachers and trainers have a responsiblity to be better informed than that, since they routinely give people advice and charge for it0 -
I try to stay at about 100 carbs a day which is very very mild ketosis. This is literally the only way I can lose weight. After having 2 kids and being on bed rest with both of them, I gained a lot of weight and my metabolism is shot!
exercise raises metabolism like crazy - keep doing what you're doing if you're happy, but if you want to adjust, you might want to consider upping the exercise.
Yep I run 6 miles 3 days a week and lift heavy the other 3 days. Its working for me so that's all that matters 0 -
So what you are saying is it isn't for you. Ok, move along! Losing that 100 pounds far outweighs the temporary stress low carbing can induce in some people. Note 'can' and 'some people' are key points. MAny studies are quite favorable to the lifestyle, and many are not. Let me know if eggs are OK today in the news. IF they are, tomorrow they won't be.
And yea, there are some absolute anti low carb terrors around here who think they know all about everything.
And again, Atkins was 72 not 27. Heart attack at that age is not unexpected.
My total cholesterol is under 150. Eggs and bacon almost every day for a year before that test.0 -
South Beach includes many vegetables from day one and most fruits and whole grains after 2 weeks. I really don't consider South Beach a "low carb" diet.
Thank you. I was hoping someone had mentioned this. And even in the first two week it never says to eat as much high fat meat as you want. It maintains moderation and low-fat...not anything you want.0 -
I completely agree that people are going to use what they want to use to lose weight. I'm currently on a very low carb diet, but I am also doing it with a doctor's supervision, and the way I've been told to do it is with low-cholesterol, low-fat, lean proteins. I can't eat all the eggs and bacon I want (as I had a friend yell at me before, because she thought that's what I was doing...). I'm also doing this because I'm insulin intolerant. My body simply can't process the insulin being made, so the glucose isn't getting into my cells.
I also know a bit about biology. Yes, the brain can only use glucose for energy, but pyruvate can be converted into glucose via gluconeogenesis (creation of glucose from a non-carb substance). It takes longer than just ingesting a carb with glucose, but it does the same thing.
To avoid kidney damage, most people don't know to up their water intake...by a LOT. I drink about 168oz of water a day so that the nephrons in my kidneys don't crystallize into kidney stones because of my diet. I also take vitamins for any other nutrients that I'm not getting through food. And I can eat fruits and veggies, but just the non-starchy ones.
It CAN be done in a more healthful way, but I know that most people hear low carb and think that the person only eats meat and loses weight. And you are correct...THAT is very unhealthy. But it can be done. I still have over 100lbs to lose, and my doctor is adjusting my calorie intake based on how fast I lose, so I'm still losing fast, but not in way that will be harmful to me long-term.
thanks for sharing - I think you meant "insulin resistant" not "tolerant" - your body doesn't use the insulin as efficiently as it should because of a variety of factors. it's great that your Dr has you on a low fat diet - dietary fat leads to insulin resistance. as for the kidney damage, it has more to do with ketone bodies, no mater how much water intake, but hydration is important. one thing I would recommend (and I'm sure your Dr already does) is exercise as it increases insulin sensitivity. good luck! 0 -
I get what you're saying, but long term ketosis can absolutely lead to ketoacidosis.ketoacidosis != ketosis
ketosis is fine.
Almost never will ketosis lead to diabetic ketoacidosis in someone whose body can still produce insulin. (There is a rare case other than that, but I can't think of what it is.)
you're confusing ketoacidosis with diabetic ketoacidosis - they are not one in the same, they are two completely different pathologies. it is completely possible for long term ketois to develop into ketoacidosis - it happens all the time in starvation acidosis, what you see frequently in anorexia nervosa.
You forgot alcoholic ketoacidosis, which is probably just as relevant...
Here's what one source has to say about starvation ketoacidosis, cut down for length:Ketoacidosis can appear after an overnight fast but it typically requires 3 to 14 days of starvation to reach maximal severity.
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The acidosis even with quite prolonged fasting is only ever of mild to moderate severity with ketoanion levels up to a maximum of 3 to 5 mmol/l and plasma pH down to 7.3. This is probably due to the insulin level, which though lower, is still enough to keep the FFA levels less than 1mM.
So if I understand that right, starvation ketoacidosis won't kill someone who still produces insulin. The starvation itself is another story. And we aren't talking about fasting and starvation anyway.0
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