Vegan lifestyle and Awareness about what we're eating!
featherandfern
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One thing I know about losing weight is that it's really tough to keep it off and there is only one sure-fire way to do that and that is to change your lifestyle completely. It's been a challenge to change the way I think about food, but over the past year (I started October 2011) it has become easier and easier. I can now say that after fighting with myself for months and months, it's finally become natural, and even easy. And it helps learning more about how amazing eating a raw vegan diet is for you!
I've done a lot of research, and the myth that you can't get all the vitamins and nutrients you need out of eating mainly fruits, vegetables, nuts, seeds, beans, and whole grains (like quinoa) is a total farce and something that giant corporations like Cocacola and Walmart, and the government (which is essentially controlled by the big corporations), don't want you to find out.
As much as losing weight is important, I want this board to be a meeting place for all of us to talk about what we REALLY should be eating. And it would also be interesting for some of you to talk about the research you've found--debunking myths about certain foods!
I'll go first:
Cows are pumped up by antibiotics because they are treated so poorly and are milked 20x more than they should be, causing them to have lesions (open wounds) on their utters, which oozes into the milk. Because the environment that the milk is made in is so poor, including coming from unhealthy cows that are inhumanely caged 24/7 and are fed all kinds of crap to make them overweight, the milk has to be pasteurized so much that not only all of the bad bacteria is taken out, but also all of the good bacteria and essential nutrients that we need to digest the milk and the calcium that is in it. Essentially, milk is now TAKING calcium from our own bones in order to digest this liquid nothing/empty calories that we're ingesting. Horrible, right?
Lucky for us, there are many other amazing, natural sources of calcium! Here's the list:
Dried herbs - celery seed (124 mg per tbsp), dried thyme (57), dried dill (53), dried marjoram (40), dried rosemary (38), and sage, sisymbrium, oregano, spearmint, parsley, poppy seed, chervil, dried basil (21)
Chili powder
Sesame seed, flax seed, almond, brazil nut
Green, leafy vegetables - turnip green, spinach, dandelion green, kale, mustard green, collard green, amaranth green, kelp (seaweed), arugula, broccoli
Fruit (preferably dried) - rhubarb, apricot, raisin, plum, pear, orange
Blackstrap molasses
I've done a lot of research, and the myth that you can't get all the vitamins and nutrients you need out of eating mainly fruits, vegetables, nuts, seeds, beans, and whole grains (like quinoa) is a total farce and something that giant corporations like Cocacola and Walmart, and the government (which is essentially controlled by the big corporations), don't want you to find out.
As much as losing weight is important, I want this board to be a meeting place for all of us to talk about what we REALLY should be eating. And it would also be interesting for some of you to talk about the research you've found--debunking myths about certain foods!
I'll go first:
Cows are pumped up by antibiotics because they are treated so poorly and are milked 20x more than they should be, causing them to have lesions (open wounds) on their utters, which oozes into the milk. Because the environment that the milk is made in is so poor, including coming from unhealthy cows that are inhumanely caged 24/7 and are fed all kinds of crap to make them overweight, the milk has to be pasteurized so much that not only all of the bad bacteria is taken out, but also all of the good bacteria and essential nutrients that we need to digest the milk and the calcium that is in it. Essentially, milk is now TAKING calcium from our own bones in order to digest this liquid nothing/empty calories that we're ingesting. Horrible, right?
Lucky for us, there are many other amazing, natural sources of calcium! Here's the list:
Dried herbs - celery seed (124 mg per tbsp), dried thyme (57), dried dill (53), dried marjoram (40), dried rosemary (38), and sage, sisymbrium, oregano, spearmint, parsley, poppy seed, chervil, dried basil (21)
Chili powder
Sesame seed, flax seed, almond, brazil nut
Green, leafy vegetables - turnip green, spinach, dandelion green, kale, mustard green, collard green, amaranth green, kelp (seaweed), arugula, broccoli
Fruit (preferably dried) - rhubarb, apricot, raisin, plum, pear, orange
Blackstrap molasses
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I don't care who or what your agenda is and I want to focus on one thing;
You recommend dried fruit over fresh fruit. Really? Why?0 -
Cows are pumped up by antibiotics because they are treated so poorly and are milked 20x more than they should be, causing them to have lesions (open wounds) on their utters, which oozes into the milk. Because the environment that the milk is made in is so poor, including coming from unhealthy cows that are inhumanely caged 24/7 and are fed all kinds of crap to make them overweight, the milk has to be pasteurized so much that not only all of the bad bacteria is taken out, but also all of the good bacteria and essential nutrients that we need to digest the milk and the calcium that is in it. Essentially, milk is now TAKING calcium from our own bones in order to digest this liquid nothing/empty calories that we're ingesting. Horrible, right?
And where, may I ask did you get this information. What "research" did it come from? Do you have any peer reviewed studies?0 -
So you want me to eat a cup of spice so that I can get my 2000mg of calcium every day? No thanks. Also, pasteurization of milk has been practiced for hundreds of years. It is not a recent thing brought about in response to the "evils of the corporations." If you're that worried about milk, get your dairy products straight from a local farmer. I drank unpasteurized milk from the farm all the time when I was growing up. Guess what, I haven't died!0
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Lacto-ovo for 20+ years but finding less desire for dairy as I move toward a more Eastern diet. Food. Inc. is a great awareness movie. Food lobbies are real and mold our culture's idea of what is healthy - scary. Realizing how efficient a veggie lifestyle is and the diminished impact to the Earth has kept me committed to it. Looking forward to checking in with you again.0
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Oh boy, it has started. This is going to just blow up into a huge zombie apocalypse bonanza.0
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Dried fruits offers some advantages over fresh fruits: a longer shelf life and portability. If you are watching your weight, dried fruits should be eaten in moderation as they contain significantly more calories per serving than fresh fruits. Some dried fruits contain sugars added in processing which increase its calorie content. However, dried fruits without additives offer numerous health benefits.
High Fiber
Dried fruits generally contains more fiber than the same-sized serving of their fresh counterparts. Fiber helps keep your digestive system running smoothly. Dried apricots, for example, contain 6. 5 g per cup, while fresh apricots contain just 3.1 g. A cup of raisins contains 5.4 g of fiber versus just 1.4 g for seedless grapes.
Antioxidants
Some dried fruits are a good source of certain antioxidants, according to a 2005 study in the "Journal of the American College of Nutrition." Phenols, a type of antioxidant, are more abundant in fruits like dates and figs than in some fresh fruits, leading researchers to advise that more dried fruits be included in the American diet.
Nutrient Density
Because most of the water is extracted from dried fruits, their nutrients are condensed into a small package. Dried fruits like apricots, raisins, prunes and figs contain high amounts of beta carotene, vitamin E, niacin, iron, magnesium, potassium and calcium, reports the European Food Information Council.
Fat and Calories
Dried fruits contains little to no fat. They also contain significant calories per serving, making them a natural source of energy for athletes. They are also a good supplement for people seeking to gain weight healthfully.
Read more: http://www.livestrong.com/article/231523-health-benefits-of-dried-fruit/#ixzz2CWFlvKQz0 -
Cows are pumped up by antibiotics because they are treated so poorly and are milked 20x more than they should be, causing them to have lesions (open wounds) on their utters, which oozes into the milk. Because the environment that the milk is made in is so poor, including coming from unhealthy cows that are inhumanely caged 24/7 and are fed all kinds of crap to make them overweight, the milk has to be pasteurized so much that not only all of the bad bacteria is taken out, but also all of the good bacteria and essential nutrients that we need to digest the milk and the calcium that is in it. Essentially, milk is now TAKING calcium from our own bones in order to digest this liquid nothing/empty calories that we're ingesting. Horrible, right?
And where, may I ask did you get this information. What "research" did it come from? Do you have any peer reviewed studies?
Many different documentaries. I recommend "Earthlings" for you!0 -
Calcium isn't what's stopping me from going vegan. I would do it in a heartbeat if I thought there was a chance I could do it without sacrificing protein or totally carbing out on grains/legumes. If anyone knows how I can get at least 120 g of protein a day without going over 120 carbs while eating a vegan diet and not living off supplements, please let me know.0
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I don't care who or what your agenda is and I want to focus on one thing;
You recommend dried fruit over fresh fruit. Really? Why?
http://www.livestrong.com/article/339303-vegetables-fruits-that-are-rich-in-calcium/0 -
So you want me to eat a cup of spice so that I can get my 2000mg of calcium every day? No thanks. Also, pasteurization of milk has been practiced for hundreds of years. It is not a recent thing brought about in response to the "evils of the corporations." If you're that worried about milk, get your dairy products straight from a local farmer. I drank unpasteurized milk from the farm all the time when I was growing up. Guess what, I haven't died!
You only need 1000 mg a day, and it would be unhealthy for you to eat a cup of spice.0 -
http://preventdisease.com/news/10/111810_dangers_pasteurization_homogenization.shtml
Here's an easy-to-read starting point on the dangers of pasteurized and homogenized milk. If this information seems shocking to you, perhaps a few minutes Googling the topic would be time well spent. Knowledge is power.0 -
So where exactly is the advantage? Don't buy more than you're going to eat and save yourself some cash shelling out for dried.Dried fruits offers some advantages over fresh fruits: a longer shelf life and portability. If you are watching your weight, dried fruits should be eaten in moderation as they contain significantly more calories per serving than fresh fruits. Some dried fruits contain sugars added in processing which increase its calorie content. However, dried fruits without additives offer numerous health benefits.
This matters only if you give a flying monkeys about 'serving sizes'.High Fiber
Dried fruits generally contains more fiber than the same-sized serving of their fresh counterparts. Fiber helps keep your digestive system running smoothly. Dried apricots, for example, contain 6. 5 g per cup, while fresh apricots contain just 3.1 g. A cup of raisins contains 5.4 g of fiber versus just 1.4 g for seedless grapes.
How do you think the antioxidants got there? Perhaps they were there before they were dried....wouldn't that be crazy?!Antioxidants
Some dried fruits are a good source of certain antioxidants, according to a 2005 study in the "Journal of the American College of Nutrition." Phenols, a type of antioxidant, are more abundant in fruits like dates and figs than in some fresh fruits, leading researchers to advise that more dried fruits be included in the American diet.
Nutrient density usually refers to nutritional density versus calories than physical size, but even so, when is carrying a banana or apple deeply inconvenient compared to carrying a bag of dried fruit?Nutrient Density
Because most of the water is extracted from dried fruits, their nutrients are condensed into a small package. Dried fruits like apricots, raisins, prunes and figs contain high amounts of beta carotene, vitamin E, niacin, iron, magnesium, potassium and calcium, reports the European Food Information Council.
This is just odd. Neither does fresh fruit. And I wouldn't call dried fruit in a bag natural.Fat and Calories
Dried fruits contains little to no fat. They also contain significant calories per serving, making them a natural source of energy for athletes. They are also a good supplement for people seeking to gain weight healthfully.
No. Livestrong is notoriously hit and miss with the information they present. Did you do any research as to the denaturing of nutrient profile of fruit that happens when you dry it?0 -
Cows are pumped up by antibiotics because they are treated so poorly and are milked 20x more than they should be, causing them to have lesions (open wounds) on their utters, which oozes into the milk. Because the environment that the milk is made in is so poor, including coming from unhealthy cows that are inhumanely caged 24/7 and are fed all kinds of crap to make them overweight, the milk has to be pasteurized so much that not only all of the bad bacteria is taken out, but also all of the good bacteria and essential nutrients that we need to digest the milk and the calcium that is in it. Essentially, milk is now TAKING calcium from our own bones in order to digest this liquid nothing/empty calories that we're ingesting. Horrible, right?
And where, may I ask did you get this information. What "research" did it come from? Do you have any peer reviewed studies?
Many different documentaries. I recommend "Earthlings" for you!
Documentaries cannot be taken as fact. They are a great chance for people to manipulate circumstances to fit their agenda.
Your "research" is invalid.0 -
I have complete respect for people who chose a vegan diet. Personally, I'd find it far too limiting and restrictive. I actually eat a lot of diary...however, I try to consume organic whenever possible. I use Calon Wen full fat dairy products all the way (organic locally Welsh farmed diary products!) expect for yoghurts and eggs because they don't do them yet. I have Yeo Valley yoghurts and One Good Eggs instead. I refuse to consume value diary products!0
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Cows are pumped up by antibiotics because they are treated so poorly and are milked 20x more than they should be, causing them to have lesions (open wounds) on their utters, which oozes into the milk. Because the environment that the milk is made in is so poor, including coming from unhealthy cows that are inhumanely caged 24/7 and are fed all kinds of crap to make them overweight, the milk has to be pasteurized so much that not only all of the bad bacteria is taken out, but also all of the good bacteria and essential nutrients that we need to digest the milk and the calcium that is in it. Essentially, milk is now TAKING calcium from our own bones in order to digest this liquid nothing/empty calories that we're ingesting. Horrible, right?
And where, may I ask did you get this information. What "research" did it come from? Do you have any peer reviewed studies?
Many different documentaries. I recommend "Earthlings" for you!
Documentaries cannot be taken as fact. They are a great chance for people to manipulate circumstances to fit their agenda.
Your "research" is invalid.
^^^THIS! Plus, you can fake a documentary. People do it all the time.0 -
Ironanimal, are you sure this is the topic for you? You seem very hostile in your responses. If you have some information counter to the original post, please share the URL. Otherwise, your aggression is unwelcome. I'm sure you haven't forgotten these boards are moderated.0
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Please explain to me where I breached any guidelines. I still want to know why dried fruit is recommended over fresh fruit.Ironanimal, are you sure this is the topic for you? You seem very hostile in your responses. If you have some information counter to the original post, please share the URL. Otherwise, your aggression is unwelcome. I'm sure you haven't forgotten these boards are moderated.
I'm sure this topic is for me. I want to know the answer
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http://preventdisease.com/news/10/111810_dangers_pasteurization_homogenization.shtml
Here's an easy-to-read starting point on the dangers of pasteurized and homogenized milk. If this information seems shocking to you, perhaps a few minutes Googling the topic would be time well spent. Knowledge is power.
The "sources" on this article are hilarious. They even have an anti-vaccination section! The science gods are frowning at you right now.0 -
Calcium isn't what's stopping me from going vegan. I would do it in a heartbeat if I thought there was a chance I could do it without sacrificing protein or totally carbing out on grains/legumes. If anyone knows how I can get at least 120 g of protein a day without going over 120 carbs while eating a vegan diet and not living off supplements, please let me know.
Try checking out my intakes. I only joined yesterday, but everyday I will have new meals, and I will be trying to reach my iron, calcium, protein, carbohydrate, and (good) fat goals eating this way. I'm not perfect, and neither is this way of eating, but I believe it is much better than eating animals and processed foods.0 -
Please explain to me where I breached any guidelines. I still want to know why dried fruit is recommended over fresh fruit.Ironanimal, are you sure this is the topic for you? You seem very hostile in your responses. If you have some information counter to the original post, please share the URL. Otherwise, your aggression is unwelcome. I'm sure you haven't forgotten these boards are moderated.
I'm sure this topic is for me. I want to know the answer
I am curious as well.0 -
Just a quick question. Would you say the main reason you decided to go vegan was more health or morality related?0
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Essentially, milk is now TAKING calcium from our own bones in order to digest this liquid nothing/empty calories that we're ingesting.
Lolz.....brb... just collapsing under the weight of my brittle bones.0 -
Ironanimal, are you sure this is the topic for you? You seem very hostile in your responses. If you have some information counter to the original post, please share the URL. Otherwise, your aggression is unwelcome. I'm sure you haven't forgotten these boards are moderated.
He has not done anything wrong what so ever. He is simply asking for proof of the statement presented as fact... which has not been given yet. It is only fair that if the OP is making statements as fact that they back them up. Otherwise, it's just more junk "science" that is out there which is one thing this site does NOT need more of.
So yes, the OP should show peer reviewed scientific information that backs up the claims made.0 -
I'm not following this topic to write a thesis. If you have a counter-position, feel free to research it / back it up, don't just attack. If you see no benefits to a vegan lifestyle, choose a new topic.0
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Oh, and B12?0
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I watched this programme, the Food Hospital, and there is a section about people who have extreme diets. One was a fruitarian /vegan(until the programme I didn't know a 'frutarian' was such a thing). Anyway, he existed mainly off fruits and the occasional vegetable- turns out he's put himself into diabetes and has such poor bone health that if he had a fall and broke something he'd have the same chances of it repairing normally as someone nearly triple his age.
Personally, extreme and sweeping diets like the one you suggest seem pointless. We, as humans, have evolved to be omnivores (unless you have genetic weakness (family friend for example can't digest high quantities of protein and thus will never know the joy of a good steak)) removing a large portion of what we're designed to eat is a bit silly; it'd be like buying a hybrid car and refusing to put petrol/gas in it and forcing it to rely on the electric power only, not only is this going against what it's made to do but it's also very hard to live with (at least here in the UK very few places have electric re-powering stations). To put it simply, and to quote my mother, 'you have canines for a reason'.0 -
So glad you enjoy your choice and we all have our own way becuase. I like to kill what I eat. No hormones. I have to have meat!! I like veggies as well but a big bloody steak every now and then does it for me to.0
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Ironanimal, are you sure this is the topic for you? You seem very hostile in your responses. If you have some information counter to the original post, please share the URL. Otherwise, your aggression is unwelcome. I'm sure you haven't forgotten these boards are moderated.
Huh?0 -
I hadn't seen that.
Lolz.....brb... just collapsing under the weight of my brittle bones.Essentially, milk is now TAKING calcium from our own bones in order to digest this liquid nothing/empty calories that we're ingesting.
So empty calorie liquids take calcium from our bodies?
Damn that dihydrogen monoxide.0 -
Calcium isn't what's stopping me from going vegan. I would do it in a heartbeat if I thought there was a chance I could do it without sacrificing protein or totally carbing out on grains/legumes. If anyone knows how I can get at least 120 g of protein a day without going over 120 carbs while eating a vegan diet and not living off supplements, please let me know.
Try checking out my intakes. I only joined yesterday, but everyday I will have new meals, and I will be trying to reach my iron, calcium, protein, carbohydrate, and (good) fat goals eating this way. I'm not perfect, and neither is this way of eating, but I believe it is much better than eating animals and processed foods.
So I took you up on that offer and took a look at your diary.
I have one question for you, what is a raw vegan doing eating toast, honey and eggs?0
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