Do you think milk is safe?
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Sounds like you were sitting at a table full of morons!
Not morons. I was sitting at a table full of people who had faced cancer, almost died, and really wanted to answer the "why?" question for themselves. Whether their answer is true or not is obviously debatable...but they somehow wanted to latch on to it as truth (no pun intended
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I'm glad you brought this up. Cancer is scary because there's often no way to determine why it arose. There's a greater sense of control and security when you can pin it on something and then avoid whatever that is. Thinking that way doesn't make someone a moron.0 -
No it's incredibly dangerous and toxic to humans.0
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Even if you get "free range" milk, you are still consuming hormones. Cows have them. Crazy right? Even if they aren't injected, cows, as living creatures, have hormones. They get passed through in the milk.
Milk is made for baby cows to help them grow huge. Milk is also high in fat.
The United States is one of largest dietary consumers of milk and dairy yet we have among the highest rates of osteoporosis? Does that sound like it's good for your bones?
Three things
1) Hormones in milk: http://www.cancerresearchuk.org/cancer-help/about-cancer/cancer-questions/can-the-hormones-in-milk-affect-breast-cancer
2) What's wrong with high in fat? If you think that eating fat makes you fat, then we won't get much further with this conversation
3) Weight bearing exercise routines, not only increase muscle mass, they increase bone density. Perhaps drinking a milky, frothy, beverage high in calcium is not enough to stop osteoporosis? Perhaps a lack of weight bearing exercise is the cause of high osteoporosis in US Adults? You haven't really provided any evidence or a slam dunk argument either way
Re your third point. You will appreciate this study:
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/23075559.
"Overall, RE and milk/dairy consumption positively impact body composition in women by promoting losses in fat, gains or maintenance of lean mass and preservation of bone."
Where RE is strength training.0 -
Actaully this is great to know
Justifies wine on my Frosties from now on0 -
My mum's a teaches nutrition at the uni and told me you should have no fear and can drink milk and eat cheese. The only thing that may concern you is that drinking lots of milk can cause weight gain but no other fears. These days u can read articles about lots of foods that are 'to cause cancer' but are actually not. Not even tofu, it is dangerous only if u eat big quantities of it every day for years.
And this is how it was with natural sweeteners too. They were believed that they cause cancer but lately it was showed that they are to cause no harm.0 -
Re your third point. You will appreciate this study:
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/23075559.
"Overall, RE and milk/dairy consumption positively impact body composition in women by promoting losses in fat, gains or maintenance of lean mass and preservation of bone."
Where RE is strength training.
Amen!
I'm tired of all these "this will kill you, don't eat that" stories.
Mature Cheddar, Greek Yoghurt, Milk..... combine these with good exercise and you're good to go!
'nuff said!0 -
Can anyone tell me why humans would need to consume milk from another species? Or when consume it as adults?0
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Why do you need to consume particular species of vegetables from different countries? It's not about need. It's available. It tastes good. There are lots of health benefits. Hence, people consume it.Can anyone tell me why humans would need to consume milk from another species? Or when consume it as adults?0 -
Can anyone tell me why humans would need to consume milk from another species? Or when consume it as adults?
Why not?0 -
Several people have already addressed this point. Why continue to make it an issue?Can anyone tell me why humans would need to consume milk from another species? Or when consume it as adults?0 -
Try raw, grass-fed milk from a local dairy farmer.0
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Why do you need to consume particular species of vegetables from different countries? It's not about need. It's available. It tastes good. There are lots of health benefits. Hence, people consume it.Can anyone tell me why humans would need to consume milk from another species? Or when consume it as adults?
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Milk is a yummy way to get good nutrition. It isn't necessary, but provided you have no intolerance, why not eat/drink what is both nutritious and yummy?0 -
The Masai live pretty much entirely on milk and cow blood; I have never heard that they had an elevated cancer rate. Rather the opposite, actually.
Granted, their cows don't have the crazy hormones and antibiotics that your standard agribusiness dairy does. If you're concerned, organic milk is probably the way to go.
I've seen the occasional suggestion that homogenization or ultra-pasteurization create carcinogens in milk; I certainly don't have enough science background to tell if that's so or not. It could be, but most of the places I see this claim are sources I'd characterize as "flaky". I did find some milk from a local farm where they raise the cows organically, 100% on grass and hay, and the milk is "low-temperature pasteurized" and not homogenized. It tasted pretty fantastic, but I don't know if it was actually healthier. It was also a fair bit more expensive.0 -
Try raw, grass-fed milk from a local dairy farmer.
not sure but is this even an option for many people? I cant imagine any farm within 200 miles of me that has grass fed stock0 -
Milk is not safe. Studies show the cassein is linked to cancer in animals as well as all the other problems. But it's also very difficult to eliminate milk from the diet. I do Soy and Almond milk, but I still have cheese and other dairy occasionally. I suppose that's better than nothing. Want to know who came up with the idea that we should drink milk everyday and give it to our children? Housewives in the 1950s. Milk does NOT do a body good.
Please cite these studies so we can get past the hyperbole
And btw - milk does MY body good
hmm Interesting , up to 45% of the protein from human breast milk contains cassein does that mean babies drinking breast milk
have a higher incidence of cancer ?0 -
Don't drink it, don't eat dairy, don't miss it , not sure if its toxic though...however I do love beef!! lol0
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<~~~ Addicted to chocolate milk... :sad:0
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I think anything can give you cancer these days :laugh:
The biggest issue with milk (that I know of) is that it's very high in fat that is made to fatten up cows, therefore can add a lot of fat to humans.
I think if you have skim you should be fine.0 -
So its "bad to eat/drink milk or cheeses" but its okay to eat the meat? I'd think the meat would be more cancer-causing if anything.0
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Don't listen to nasty rumors! Some dairies do use hormones on their cows to maximize milk production, but they are required by law to make that information public. Just do a little research on the milk that you buy. Call the store where you purchase your milk and ask which dairy they use to supply it. Then, Google the dairy online. It should be relatively easy to find out if the dairy uses RBST.
Other than that, I wouldn't worry yourself with it much beyond that. Cancer is not something that just happens because you ate a particular type of food. People have to have a sensitivity to carcinogens. There isn't really anyway to test for sensitivities to carcinogens and there are too many types of carcinogens and types of cancers to establish solid relationships between them... so studies can only coorelate a connection between carcinogens in foods and the potential for cancer. Causation can only be established in controlled studies where scientists can know which carcinogens they are looking at and which types of cancer they suspect cause them. Science is far from achieving this.0 -
I think anything can give you cancer these days :laugh:
The biggest issue with milk (that I know of) is that it's very high in fat that is made to fatten up cows, therefore can add a lot of fat to humans.
I think if you have skim you should be fine.
dietary fat is not the cause of fat in humans
too many calories is the Only reason for humans being fat
if you want the full benefits and taste of milk, skim or fat free is not the way to go0 -
Try raw, grass-fed milk from a local dairy farmer.
I don't think I'd drink raw milk unless I was raising the cow myself, and even then I'd think twice. The number of disease that can be passed cow-to-human through milk is staggering, and most of them are really bad ways to go. That doesn't mean you have to drink ultra-pasteurized milk that's pretty much just done for store shelf-life purposes; a lower-temperature pasteurization will still kill off tuberculosis, brucellosis, diptheria...
If you do go for raw milk, ask your local farmer a lot of questions about the health of the cows and the conditions they (and the milk!) are kept in. This is one of those cases where poor cleanliness can kill you.0 -
You can hear this sort of thing about almost any food. While it's true food animals are fed food that may contain unhealthy things and also injected with antibiotics and HGH, you can avoid this with organic milk and foods and grass fed meat. I stopped milk long ago. The last year or so I noticed white spots under my nails. I figured it was ago. I started drinking two or three glasses of chocolate milk a day post-workout and to my surprise, the white spots disappeared. So I think we need milk. Not calcium tablets that can be hard on the heart but real calcium from real milk and foods.
Don't listen to what people say. Read valid studies on things you question --- real science. Then base your decision on what is proven and what science knows to be true. Keep in mind too that studies are not all equal.0 -
lactose intolerance stats
Lactose Intolerant Statistics
Total percentage of people who are lactose intolerant 33%
Total percentage of adults that have a decrease in lactase activity 75%
Total percentage of people who maintain ability to digest lactose after childhood 40%
Total number of Americans who are lactose intolerant 40 million
Total percent of all African-American, Jewish, Mexican-American, and Native American Adults who are lactose intolerant 75%
Total percent of Asian-Americans that are lactose intolerant 90%
Average amount of time it takes for side effects of lactose intolerance to occur after intake 30 min
As you can see only about 40% of people don't have lactose intolerance.
http://www.statisticbrain.com/lactose-intolerance-statistics/0 -
I think anything can give you cancer these days :laugh:
The biggest issue with milk (that I know of) is that it's very high in fat that is made to fatten up cows, therefore can add a lot of fat to humans.
I think if you have skim you should be fine.
dietary fat is not the cause of fat in humans
too many calories is the Only reason for humans being fat
if you want the full benefits and taste of milk, skim or fat free is not the way to go
Actually, it is a common misconception that cow's milk, as it comes from the cow, is full of fat. Whole milk, 2%, and 1% all have added fat. Nonfat milk has no added fat.0 -
so the fat in milk is healthy?
http://caloriecount.about.com/saturated-fat-facts-nf606
Tell me more about how healthy saturated fat is.0 -
I am lactose intolerant, my wife is lactose intolerant, yet we continue to consume Dairy in all it's tasty forms. We buy lactose milk, we take a lactase enzyme daily and I haven't had a crippling gas attack in months if not years. I am only afraid of RAW milk from a farm that doesn't test their cows for TB (which can be a raw milk issue), it's a shame because those farms usually have the best cheese.
Drink your milk if you want it I do :drinker:0 -
We're the only species that drinks another animal's milk
My cat drinks cows milk.
Not naturally (in the wild - part of an animals natural diet) -- your cat drinks it because you give it to him/her. And BTW, most vets would suggest you stop.
The tile floor in this pic leads me to believe that these rats are not in the wild....0 -
lactose intolerance stats
Lactose Intolerant Statistics
Total percentage of people who are lactose intolerant 33%
Total percentage of adults that have a decrease in lactase activity 75%
Total percentage of people who maintain ability to digest lactose after childhood 40%
Total number of Americans who are lactose intolerant 40 million
Total percent of all African-American, Jewish, Mexican-American, and Native American Adults who are lactose intolerant 75%
Total percent of Asian-Americans that are lactose intolerant 90%
Average amount of time it takes for side effects of lactose intolerance to occur after intake 30 min
As you can see only about 40% of people don't have lactose intolerance.
http://www.statisticbrain.com/lactose-intolerance-statistics/
Lies lies and damed statistics. They are very one sided. There are reasons for some of those outside of diet as far as I am aware, especially the asian.0 -
Actually, it is a common misconception that cow's milk, as it comes from the cow, is full of fat. Whole milk, 2%, and 1% all have added fat. Nonfat milk has no added fat.
...where does butter come from?
Holstein milk has 3 - 3.5% butterfat; Jerseys have around 4.8% butterfat; Guernseys and Brown Swiss are somewhere between that (I think 4% and 4.5%, respectively).0
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