Do you think milk is safe?
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Why would drinking milk cause addicts to try to harm you? What does a junkie care about your dairy consumption?One of the response ask what does church have to do with milk? If they would read again they would see you were just stating where the conversation took place. Yes I eat cheese and milk. Just like everything from a full meal to a candy bar I ask God to blessed this food and not allow any harmful chemicals or addicts harm my body and then I give him thanks. Just like certain drinks I keep hearing about added items that can do harm. I eased myself off drinks. I have 1-3 a month. I am not stupid, but when you are coming up and eating junk food you don't ask questions. Now that I know some stories are true I am trying to correct what I eat. It is a huge struggle. Look around us companies are adding things for shelf life. You can buy organic, but there are articles that says there are still things added to it, just not as much. If you don't raise it or grow it you don't know what is in your food. Next year we will have a garden, but I draw the line at raising a cow. Good luck.0 -
Ok, the China Study has been invalidated many, many times, due to many rather glaring scientific errors. Correlation vs causation issues, studying one specific subset of people and trying to extrapolate to others, cherry picking data, failing to properly control for variables, and on and on. It's an interesting read, but useless to draw any real conclusions.I am a retired teacher(34 yrs) and have been reading "The China Study", a huge study on nutrition involving millions of chinese people. In a nutshell,dairy and meat products are the bain of the western diet. They cause cancer,diabetes,heart disease and other diseases. We are primates. We do not eat meat and dairy. When we are weaned we should not eat dairy(milk) any more. Read:authors:Dr Fuhrman,Dr. Colin Campbell. To answer your question,milk is safe if is pasteurized but if they give hormones or antibiotics to cattle it is in the milk.
Also, there are plenty of primates that eat meat and seafood.0 -
doesn't milk contain puss as well?0
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In response to Ibelieveie's post
Yep people are seriously mistaken if they think there are no pesticides used in organic farming. There is a percentage they are allowed to use before they lose their certified organic status.0 -
doesn't milk contain puss as well?
I'm sure someone will argue that the human body needs to ingest a bit of pus for health...0 -
there's nothing to really suggest that hormones and the like end up in milk. Many major dairies don't even give their cows hormones anymore anyway.
Cows are animals.
They make hormones.
The hormones are in milk.
Doesn't matter if a cow was injected with extra hormones are not, there is no such thing as hormone free dairy cow.0 -
Think about this.... How many people do you know that drink milk or eat dairy products? If I was to guess, almost everyone you know probably know eats or drink's cow's milk. Ok, do all those people who drink or eat dairy products have cancer???
Drinking cows milk can be traced back to about 7,500 years ago. I'll let you come to your own conclusion on that one.
Honestly, I don't think it's the actual cow's milk that is linked to cancer, it's what is done to the cow and the milk that is linked to cancer.
Why do you need to drink cow's milk? Why not rat milk? Tiger milk? ect?0 -
Crap. Now I am craving cheese. THANKS A LOT.
Is that suppose to make people feel bad or something? Let me tell you how much I miss having acne and being bloated like a baby calf...oh wait...I don't.
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Think about this.... How many people do you know that drink milk or eat dairy products? If I was to guess, almost everyone you know probably know eats or drink's cow's milk. Ok, do all those people who drink or eat dairy products have cancer???
Drinking cows milk can be traced back to about 7,500 years ago. I'll let you come to your own conclusion on that one.
Honestly, I don't think it's the actual cow's milk that is linked to cancer, it's what is done to the cow and the milk that is linked to cancer.
Why do you need to drink cow's milk? Why not rat milk? Tiger milk? ect?
It's a little hard to milk a rat or a tiger0 -
:laugh:It's a little hard to milk a rat or a tiger
same with grizzlies. Very rich milk but they hate when you pull on their teats.0 -
there's nothing to really suggest that hormones and the like end up in milk. Many major dairies don't even give their cows hormones anymore anyway.
Cows are animals.
They make hormones.
The hormones are in milk.
Doesn't matter if a cow was injected with extra hormones are not, there is no such thing as hormone free dairy cow.
And yet you have yet to show any evidence that shows a causation of any negative health issues. In fact, the series of studies you brought up shows health benefits.0 -
Crap. Now I am craving cheese. THANKS A LOT.
Is that suppose to make people feel bad or something? Let me tell you how much I miss having acne and being bloated like a baby calf...oh wait...I don't.
I am very happy that I do not have either. I do have a ridiculously good bone density according to my last DEXA scan however.0 -
I love dairy and eat tons of cottage cheese and greek yogurt parfaits daily.0
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Think about this.... How many people do you know that drink milk or eat dairy products? If I was to guess, almost everyone you know probably know eats or drink's cow's milk. Ok, do all those people who drink or eat dairy products have cancer???
Drinking cows milk can be traced back to about 7,500 years ago. I'll let you come to your own conclusion on that one.
Honestly, I don't think it's the actual cow's milk that is linked to cancer, it's what is done to the cow and the milk that is linked to cancer.
Why do you need to drink cow's milk? Why not rat milk? Tiger milk? ect?
There are lots of people that consume milk other than that from cows. That's just what's most common in our culture. Some of my favorite cheeses are made from sheep milk and when I had my own dairy goats I used their milk for lots of stuff including making all kinds of cheeses. Historically people have used camel milk, mare's milk, yak milk and probably a lot of other milks. Cows strike a good balance between quantity of milk produced, ease of keeping, docileness (?), and digestibility for most people (yes, most). That's why cow milk. Rats don't produce very much and tigers eat people. Not good qualities in a dairy animal.0 -
I love dairy and eat tons of cottage cheese and greek yogurt parfaits daily.
And ice cream, don't forget the ice-cream!0 -
Crap. Now I am craving cheese. THANKS A LOT.
Is that suppose to make people feel bad or something? Let me tell you how much I miss having acne and being bloated like a baby calf...oh wait...I don't.
I am very happy that I do not have either. I do have a ridiculously good bone density according to my last DEXA scan however.
that's great!0 -
there's nothing to really suggest that hormones and the like end up in milk. Many major dairies don't even give their cows hormones anymore anyway.
Cows are animals.
They make hormones.
The hormones are in milk.
Doesn't matter if a cow was injected with extra hormones are not, there is no such thing as hormone free dairy cow.
And yet you have yet to show any evidence that shows a causation of any negative health issues. In fact, the series of studies you brought up shows health benefits.
I think you're confusing me with someone else.
If you'd like a photo of what happens in the bathroom if I do have dairy I'd post but I'd probably get banned for life, the same if I posted some lovely photos of snot that I get if I have a dairy. I could dig around and find a pre-dairy-free pic of oily skin and acne though maybe.0 -
there's nothing to really suggest that hormones and the like end up in milk. Many major dairies don't even give their cows hormones anymore anyway.
Cows are animals.
They make hormones.
The hormones are in milk.
Doesn't matter if a cow was injected with extra hormones are not, there is no such thing as hormone free dairy cow.
And yet you have yet to show any evidence that shows a causation of any negative health issues. In fact, the series of studies you brought up shows health benefits.
I think you're confusing me with someone else.
If you'd like a photo of what happens in the bathroom if I do have dairy I'd post but I'd probably get banned for life, the same if I posted some lovely photos of snot that I get if I have a dairy. I could dig around and find a pre-dairy-free pic of oily skin and acne though maybe.
You are correct I did get you mixed up - you quoted my post earlier which was responding to a different poster.
You have an intolerance - that is not nice for you at all. But that does not mean that milk is bad for the rest of the population who are not intolerant should avoid it, unless you can come up with a credible source that shows negative health benefits for those peeps.
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The combination of milk and strength training has been shown to cause significant muscular inflammation.0
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there's nothing to really suggest that hormones and the like end up in milk. Many major dairies don't even give their cows hormones anymore anyway.
Cows are animals.
They make hormones.
The hormones are in milk.
Doesn't matter if a cow was injected with extra hormones are not, there is no such thing as hormone free dairy cow.
And yet you have yet to show any evidence that shows a causation of any negative health issues. In fact, the series of studies you brought up shows health benefits.
I think you're confusing me with someone else.
If you'd like a photo of what happens in the bathroom if I do have dairy I'd post but I'd probably get banned for life, the same if I posted some lovely photos of snot that I get if I have a dairy. I could dig around and find a pre-dairy-free pic of oily skin and acne though maybe.
That's really too bad but that doesn't mean it's bad for everyone else or is generally unhealthy. Maybe it's unhealthy FOR YOU but not in general.0 -
The combination of milk and strength training has been shown to cause significant muscular inflammation.
I quoted this before, so apologies for repeating, but it has been shown to be of possible benefit, at least in women,
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/23075559
"Overall, RE and milk/dairy consumption positively impact body composition in women by promoting losses in fat, gains or maintenance of lean mass and preservation of bone."0 -
To the original question, I'd have to see a definition of "safe" before I decided whether to laugh so hard it killed me, or just laugh until I cried.0
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there's nothing to really suggest that hormones and the like end up in milk. Many major dairies don't even give their cows hormones anymore anyway.
Cows are animals.
They make hormones.
The hormones are in milk.
Doesn't matter if a cow was injected with extra hormones are not, there is no such thing as hormone free dairy cow.
And yet you have yet to show any evidence that shows a causation of any negative health issues. In fact, the series of studies you brought up shows health benefits.
I think you're confusing me with someone else.
If you'd like a photo of what happens in the bathroom if I do have dairy I'd post but I'd probably get banned for life, the same if I posted some lovely photos of snot that I get if I have a dairy. I could dig around and find a pre-dairy-free pic of oily skin and acne though maybe.
You are correct I did get you mixed up - you quoted my post earlier which was responding to a different poster.
You have an intolerance - that is not nice for you at all. But that does not mean that milk is bad for the rest of the population who are not intolerant should avoid it, unless you can come up with a credible source that shows negative health benefits for those peeps.
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What do you consider "credible"
What would a "credible" source even prove to you?
I mean I could post a source that says according to such and such study by such and such university that causes say cancer or bowl obstruction, whatever, and then what would your response be?
Likely one of these:
1. I don't care because anything is bad for you these days
2. Well that's just one study...
3. counter with another study.
Not looking to play ring around the rosie. This happens on every post like this. People ask for facts and they answer in one of three ways. If the op would like some source I'll be happy to provide them with some, but it appears to likely have been a troll as they haven't returned. If you want to eat dairy, be my guest, I'm not saying you shouldn't, it's not going to affect my body. While I don't believe people should consume dairy from another animal (who knows why we started doing that anyway), and while I believe it's cruel, I'm not telling you or anyone not to eat it. But I know what I've read about it and what I've experienced first hand. Believe it or not I used to eat lots of dairy. It took me realizing it was making me sick for me to stop,0 -
I live on my husband's family dairy farm and we are an organic dairy in the pacific northwest. Now I work in town so I dont help out on the farm at all so I am not going to pretend I know much. But I do know there are boat load of requirements out there to make sure the milk you drink is safe (organic or regular). All the milk that goes out is tested to make sure it is safe. Furthermore, with organic milk there are no hormones in the cows whatsoever.0
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there's nothing to really suggest that hormones and the like end up in milk. Many major dairies don't even give their cows hormones anymore anyway.
Cows are animals.
They make hormones.
The hormones are in milk.
Doesn't matter if a cow was injected with extra hormones are not, there is no such thing as hormone free dairy cow.
And yet you have yet to show any evidence that shows a causation of any negative health issues. In fact, the series of studies you brought up shows health benefits.
I think you're confusing me with someone else.
If you'd like a photo of what happens in the bathroom if I do have dairy I'd post but I'd probably get banned for life, the same if I posted some lovely photos of snot that I get if I have a dairy. I could dig around and find a pre-dairy-free pic of oily skin and acne though maybe.
You are correct I did get you mixed up - you quoted my post earlier which was responding to a different poster.
You have an intolerance - that is not nice for you at all. But that does not mean that milk is bad for the rest of the population who are not intolerant should avoid it, unless you can come up with a credible source that shows negative health benefits for those peeps.
Edited for typos.
What do you consider "credible"
What would a "credible" source even prove to you?
I mean I could post a source that says according to such and such study by such and such university that causes say cancer or bowl obstruction, whatever, and then what would your response be?
Likely one of these:
1. I don't care because anything is bad for you these days
2. Well that's just one study...
3. counter with another study.
Not looking to play ring around the rosie. This happens on every post like this. People ask for facts and they answer in one of three ways. If the op would like some source I'll be happy to provide them with some, but it appears to likely have been a troll as they haven't returned. If you want to eat dairy, be my guest, I'm not saying you shouldn't, it's not going to affect my body. While I don't believe people should consume dairy from another animal (who knows why we started doing that anyway), and while I believe it's cruel, I'm not telling you or anyone not to eat it. But I know what I've read about it and what I've experienced first hand. Believe it or not I used to eat lots of dairy. It took me realizing it was making me sick for me to stop,
Credible = peer reviewed studies that actually indicate a possible negative impact. Yes, you will often (but not always) get conflicting studies, but at least providing them can help make informed decisions without the hyperbole.0 -
To the OP questions... no I do not think cows milk is safe and I also think it is gross. (china study eh?) When I see someone chugging cows milk I just want to hurl... *shudders* Cows milk is for the baby cows. Human milk is for the baby humans. I'm all for almond milk, soy milk and coconut milk though... yummy stuff there. If someone else enjoys it though, I'm not going to rag on them about it...0
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To the OP questions... no I do not think cows milk is safe and I also think it is gross. (china study eh?) When I see someone chugging cows milk I just want to hurl... *shudders* Cows milk is for the baby cows. Human milk is for the baby humans. I'm all for almond milk, soy milk and coconut milk though... yummy stuff there. If someone else enjoys it though, I'm not going to rag on them about it...
You clearly did not read through the replies, so I will repost what has been said about the China Study. My nutrition epidemiology professor used it in class to teach us the issues of bias and confounding variables that invalidate studies. Those in the nutrition science community view it as heavily flawed.Ok, the China Study has been invalidated many, many times, due to many rather glaring scientific errors. Correlation vs causation issues, studying one specific subset of people and trying to extrapolate to others, cherry picking data, failing to properly control for variables, and on and on. It's an interesting read, but useless to draw any real conclusions.0 -
''Everybody is overreacting,'' Mrs. Child said. ''If fear of food continues, it will be the death of gastronomy in the United States. Fortunately, the French don't suffer from the same hysteria we do.'' ''We should enjoy food and have fun,'' Mrs. Child insisted. ''It is one of the simplest and nicest pleasures in life.''
Mrs. Child recalled that when she began her mission of bringing French cooking into American kitchens nearly 30 years ago, ''no one cared'' about what food might do to one's health. ''Those were halcyon days,'' she said. ''You could eat anything you wanted. I remember a wonderful recipe for spinach. You put in as much butter as the spinach could possibly hold.''
No more. Today, nutrition has ''reared its ugly head,'' she said, and cholesterol has ''become a trendy word.'' People are so fearful of what they eat, Mrs. Child observed, ''they are no longer enjoying food the way they once did, and the dinner table is becoming a trap rather than a pleasure.''
Quote from - etoiles_argenI believe most of us are on this website because we didn't care about what we ate, and put as much butter in spinach that it could possibly hold. Those things had side effects on us that are, diabetes, HIGH cholesterol, heart attacks, etc... Don't know how this was supposed to help but if I ate like Julia Child's wisdom states, I'd be back where I started, unhealthy, unhappy, and on my way to diabetes.
Live how you'd like, food doesn't scare me.
then why are you on MFP? just curious.
My FITNESS pal?
Its the #1 calorie counting and food logging website. Not the #1 FITNESS website. It doesnt even log fitness correctly... So my question was why are you on a food logging website if you dont care about what you eat?0 -
I did switch my milk for almond milk and coconut I don't miss milk at all :drinker: lol0
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Its the #1 calorie counting and food logging website. Not the #1 FITNESS website. It doesnt even log fitness correctly... So my question was why are you on a food logging website if you dont care about what you eat?
It doesn't log fitness. YOU log fitness. Treadmills, HRM, website calorie calculators are all inaccurate to some degree. So what?
Just a FYI, this website logs calories in vs calories out, not whether something is carcinogenic or causes allergies. Food and exercise all go into the mix as to whether you've exceeded or undershot your TDEE.... whether milk causes cancer or makes you shoot snot out of your nose, does not.0
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