Do you think milk is safe?
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milk in the united states is much more risky than anywhere else. BGH (bovine growth hormone) is allowed in your milk, and that is what you should be concerned about. growth hormones grow things... like tumors. we are the only mammals on earth that drink another animal's milk after infancy so there's already some sketchy stuff about it. if you love milk but are scared, buy organic.0
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we are the only mammals on earth that drink another animal's milk after infancy so there's already some sketchy stuff about it.
We're also the only mammals on earth that plant and harvest vegetables. Sketchy indeed!0 -
Organic milk is a perfectly good food for those of us with the evolved ability to digest it--only about 30% of the world's population has this ability into adulthood.
Sources...or you could always look at the prior posts and see this is incorrect.
like i've already posted, and which is a known fact- we are the only mammals on earth that drink another animal's milk after infancy. we are not supposed to drink milk, which is why so many people have issues with it. the signs of lactose intolerance don't have to be blunt.0 -
we are the only mammals on earth that drink another animal's milk after infancy so there's already some sketchy stuff about it.
We're also the only mammals on earth that plant and harvest vegetables. Sketchy indeed!
touche!0 -
We're the only ones that drink it because we're the only ones that have worked out how to harvest it.Organic milk is a perfectly good food for those of us with the evolved ability to digest it--only about 30% of the world's population has this ability into adulthood.
Sources...or you could always look at the prior posts and see this is incorrect.
like i've already posted, and which is a known fact- we are the only mammals on earth that drink another animal's milk after infancy. we are not supposed to drink milk, which is why so many people have issues with it. the signs of lactose intolerance don't have to be blunt.
Most mammal species will drink milk when it is available, at any age.0 -
we are not supposed to drink milk
Is that like, in the "things you're supposed to do" handbook?0 -
we are not supposed to drink milk
What's the definition of "suppposed to" being used here...0 -
Milk is not safe. Studies show the cassein is linked to cancer in animals as well as all the other problems. But it's also very difficult to eliminate milk from the diet. I do Soy and Almond milk, but I still have cheese and other dairy occasionally. I suppose that's better than nothing. Want to know who came up with the idea that we should drink milk everyday and give it to our children? Housewives in the 1950s. Milk does NOT do a body good.
Could you be good enough to cite your sources?0 -
There have always been studies coming out saying that certain foods cause cancer. Then a few years later another study comes out saying the first study was wrong. You'll have to decide for yourself, but I'm going to keep drinking and cooking with milk.0
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As far as humans being "designed" for anything..yeah...If i recall correctly we began as scavengers...you know like hyenas and such. I think if we can eat and survive on rotting carcasses we can drink milk.
^^^^^^^ this
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Milk is not safe. Studies show the cassein is linked to cancer in animals as well as all the other problems. But it's also very difficult to eliminate milk from the diet. I do Soy and Almond milk, but I still have cheese and other dairy occasionally. I suppose that's better than nothing. Want to know who came up with the idea that we should drink milk everyday and give it to our children? Housewives in the 1950s. Milk does NOT do a body good.
Could you be good enough to cite your sources?
It's also separating out the cassein from all the other material in milk....
Heck, ingected in large enough quantities, even water will kill you.0 -
All of our livestock are injected with hormones and antibiotics. I don't think this is safe, and prefer to drink organic milk, almond milk, or rice milk instead. I wish I could afford organic meats, but not at this point.
Really? Where is your proof?
I certainly dont inject my cows with anything. Infact there are strict regulations on what products i can even use on my cows for the health and wellbeing of my animals. To spray them for flies or even to worm them the products all have withholding periods before you can sell them. I have to sign a declaration at the time of sale that includes any pesticide use, hormones, gm modified feed etc etc. if my cows are found to have any of these things used on them i am banned from selling my animals.
I can tell you from growing up on a farm my families dairy cows are well taken care of. My parents are not allowed to sell milk that has ANY antibiotics in it. They are also not allowed to sell ANY animals that have any antibiotics in them. Milk is one of the most regulated products on the market. Please spare me the retoric about antibiotics in milk.....0 -
If you want your food to be 100% safe and be sure of it then grow your own fruits and veggies, raise your own cows/pigs/chickens, churn your own butter etc. I feel like other than that our only option is to trust in the foods at the grocery or market.0
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Organic milk is a perfectly good food for those of us with the evolved ability to digest it--only about 30% of the world's population has this ability into adulthood.
Sources...or you could always look at the prior posts and see this is incorrect.
Sources for what? My claim that milk is a perfectly good food or my claim that only 30% of adults retain the ability to digest it? Those are straight out of the nutrition text books.
The 30% claim. As I say - check out the actually cited stats.
How about you do it for us since you seem so adamant that its not true? Obviously the authors of her textbook have it cited.
Lolz - you are tooooo funny - you posted a study yourself that showed it not to be true, which by the way, you never got back to me on when I pulled you up on making an incorrect assertion based on it.
Just as I thought, you don't know either.
Nice way to try to deflect but YOU posted a study that shows 33% on this very thread. Or did you conveniently forget that?. Let me remind you:
Lactose Intolerant Statistics
Total percentage of people who are lactose intolerant 33%
http://www.statisticbrain.com/lactose-intolerance-statistics/0 -
Organic milk is a perfectly good food for those of us with the evolved ability to digest it--only about 30% of the world's population has this ability into adulthood.
Sources...or you could always look at the prior posts and see this is incorrect.
Sources for what? My claim that milk is a perfectly good food or my claim that only 30% of adults retain the ability to digest it? Those are straight out of the nutrition text books.
The 30% claim. As I say - check out the actually cited stats.
How about you do it for us since you seem so adamant that its not true? Obviously the authors of her textbook have it cited.
Lolz - you are tooooo funny - you posted a study yourself that showed it not to be true, which by the way, you never got back to me on when I pulled you up on making an incorrect assertion based on it.
Have fun calling everyone on the internetz wrong. You must have a fantastic life.
Ignoring the disgruntled snark, I am not calling everyone wrong - I am trying to get support for a claim being made - simple as that.0 -
That's a bunch of nonsense. It doesn't cause cancer. However, I work in the agricultural realm, and I have to say that I don't agree with how they handle dairy cattle. To make the farm profitable, they have to milk hundreds of cows per day, sometimes more depending on the size of your workforce. The more animals you have in a confined area the more likely it is to cause disease. Add to this that no dairy operations have NEAR enough pasture, and the cows are standing in FILTH all day, so they load the cows up with antibiotics and they inject them with growth hormone to make them produce more milk.
I don't know what types of farms you have been on but I grew up on a family dairy farm and our cows were not standing in "FILTH" all day. There are lots of tmes growing up that I froze my butt off doing chores to make sure those cows were well fed and in a nice warm clean barn. Please don't make blanket statements about farmers. Sure there are some bad ones out there. There are bad people in every industry. Please don't let a few "bad apples" wreck the image of an industry that provides so much for so many people.0 -
http://ajcn.nutrition.org/content/71/2/600.full
"Surprisingly, one-third of the 29 subjects diagnosed by us as lactose maldigesters had no clinically significant gastrointestinal symptoms for 3 h after ingesting 50 g lactose. At the same time, one-fourth of the 39 lactose digesters experienced clinically significant gastrointestinal symptoms after ingesting the same amount of lactose. However, the gastrointestinal symptoms differed between the lactose maldigesters and the digesters."
(in other words, "lactose intolerant" is a complicated and difficult thing to diagnose)
I'm kind of confused by the point you were trying to make, but this study in itself is ultimately questionable. There is absolutely no way that a sample size of 29 people is representative of the entire adult population. I really need people who want to use studies to support their claims to take a college level statistics course (again not directed specifically at the person quoted because I still have no idea what his standpoint was).0 -
I think, like anything, milk in moderation is fine. In some countries, you might want to err on the side of caution, however when it comes to things being injected into the cows that aren't part of the natural product, like hormones and antibiotics.
That being said, we were not designed to consume any milk except human. That doesn't mean that milk isn't nutritious, and in some cases, necessary for a person's nutritional needs. I find it difficult to process vitamin D. Where I live, I can't always get it being outside. It's in milk though and that helps.
Unless there is a very definite link to cancer (such as in smoking cigarettes), I take these studies with a grain of salt. After all, I read the study that said that spinach has one of the highest natural carcinogenic levels known. In much smaller print, it also stated that the composition of other compounds within spinach renders the carcinogen inactive.
The only thing I really DO keep an eye on are chemicals ADDED to products.0 -
^^^^^ Chiming in on this...what she said.0
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can we get a definiton of "cancer causing" here?
There are a lot of things that even increase incidence (I'd say eating a diet to ensure one lives long enough to develop cancer for example) that don't "cause" cancer.0 -
http://www.jacn.org/content/19/suppl_2/165S.full
"In general, it can be stated that about two thirds of the world adult population is lactase non-persistent."
The conclusion reads:
"Gastrointestinal symptoms are very common, and milk is quite often put forward as the cause. Several recent well-controlled studies have clearly demonstrated that quite often gastrointestinal symptoms occur independent of lactose intake. This calls for careful diagnosis of both lactose maldigestion and symptoms of intolerance before any dietary restrictions are made. As mentioned above, several authors have called the whole concept of lactose intolerance overrated, because many lactose intolerant subjects seem to be able to consume normal dairy products without marked symptoms. To some individuals lactose intolerance is, however, a true problem. Their symptoms can be reduced by food choices and by low-lactose products. Simple avoidance of dairy products often results in less than recommended intake of calcium and in an increased fracture risk [133].."
ETA: The study sites the one already quoted http://www.jacn.org/content/19/suppl_2/165S.long and http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/8042019 as the source of the statement. The latter looks like an interesting read - need to get into the full text to look at it further.
ETA again: I did learned a new word from the study: Borborygmi - a rumbling or gurgling noise that occurs from the movements of fluid and gas in the intestines.0 -
Organic milk is a perfectly good food for those of us with the evolved ability to digest it--only about 30% of the world's population has this ability into adulthood.
Sources...or you could always look at the prior posts and see this is incorrect.
like i've already posted, and which is a known fact- we are the only mammals on earth that drink another animal's milk after infancy. we are not supposed to drink milk, which is why so many people have issues with it. the signs of lactose intolerance don't have to be blunt.
Still not seeing a source to the 30% number.0 -
in some cases, necessary for a person's nutritional needs.
Never heard of anyone NEEDING cow's milk to fit their nutritional needs. Never.0 -
in some cases, necessary for a person's nutritional needs.
Never heard of anyone NEEDING cow's milk to fit their nutritional needs. Never.
agreed. I dont think milk is Unsafe, but it is not required by any means. I love milk but if the store quit selling it, I will survive.0 -
Organic milk is a perfectly good food for those of us with the evolved ability to digest it--only about 30% of the world's population has this ability into adulthood.
Sources...or you could always look at the prior posts and see this is incorrect.
like i've already posted, and which is a known fact- we are the only mammals on earth that drink another animal's milk after infancy. we are not supposed to drink milk, which is why so many people have issues with it. the signs of lactose intolerance don't have to be blunt.
Still not seeing a source to the 30% number.
source was quoted before your reply.
everyone seems to be getting really bent out of shape over this, but I guess it's because many of us only believe what we see.
humans don't need milk- lots of vegans are alive.
some human's cannot drink milk- it doesn't agree with them.
unless it came from our family farm, we don't know what's in it.
if anyone is interested in the studies in cancer related to dairy products, he's an article from Harvard University.
http://www.news.harvard.edu/gazette/2006/12.07/11-dairy.html0 -
Organic milk is a perfectly good food for those of us with the evolved ability to digest it--only about 30% of the world's population has this ability into adulthood.
Sources...or you could always look at the prior posts and see this is incorrect.
like i've already posted, and which is a known fact- we are the only mammals on earth that drink another animal's milk after infancy. we are not supposed to drink milk, which is why so many people have issues with it. the signs of lactose intolerance don't have to be blunt.
Still not seeing a source to the 30% number.
source was quoted before your reply.
everyone seems to be getting really bent out of shape over this, but I guess it's because many of us only believe what we see.
humans don't need milk- lots of vegans are alive.
some human's cannot drink milk- it doesn't agree with them.
unless it came from our family farm, we don't know what's in it.
if anyone is interested in the studies in cancer related to dairy products, he's an article from Harvard University.
http://www.news.harvard.edu/gazette/2006/12.07/11-dairy.html
All I am trying to do is get facts correct. Simple as that. Someone provided something that may explain this 30% number being quoted and I am actually looking at it as I noted in my response to that post. That is all I was asking for.0 -
Organic milk is a perfectly good food for those of us with the evolved ability to digest it--only about 30% of the world's population has this ability into adulthood.
Sources...or you could always look at the prior posts and see this is incorrect.
like i've already posted, and which is a known fact- we are the only mammals on earth that drink another animal's milk after infancy. we are not supposed to drink milk, which is why so many people have issues with it. the signs of lactose intolerance don't have to be blunt.
Still not seeing a source to the 30% number.
source was quoted before your reply.
everyone seems to be getting really bent out of shape over this, but I guess it's because many of us only believe what we see.
humans don't need milk- lots of vegans are alive.
some human's cannot drink milk- it doesn't agree with them.
unless it came from our family farm, we don't know what's in it.
if anyone is interested in the studies in cancer related to dairy products, he's an article from Harvard University.
http://www.news.harvard.edu/gazette/2006/12.07/11-dairy.html
Milk is not a requirement for the diet... but in reality, no food is. The nutrients provided by those foods are what is required and milk happens to be a good source of protein, potassium, and calcium. All of these are things that my body does require.
Milk is not evil. If you think that you are better off without it, then more power to you. But most people in this thread are only here to defend against misinformation.0 -
if anyone is interested in the studies in cancer related to dairy products, he's an article from Harvard University.
http://www.news.harvard.edu/gazette/2006/12.07/11-dairy.html
*phew!*
I can keep drinking my organic skim milk.0 -
Organic milk is a perfectly good food for those of us with the evolved ability to digest it--only about 30% of the world's population has this ability into adulthood.
Sources...or you could always look at the prior posts and see this is incorrect.
like i've already posted, and which is a known fact- we are the only mammals on earth that drink another animal's milk after infancy. we are not supposed to drink milk, which is why so many people have issues with it. the signs of lactose intolerance don't have to be blunt.
Still not seeing a source to the 30% number.
source was quoted before your reply.
everyone seems to be getting really bent out of shape over this, but I guess it's because many of us only believe what we see.
humans don't need milk- lots of vegans are alive.
some human's cannot drink milk- it doesn't agree with them.
unless it came from our family farm, we don't know what's in it.
if anyone is interested in the studies in cancer related to dairy products, he's an article from Harvard University.
http://www.news.harvard.edu/gazette/2006/12.07/11-dairy.html
All I am trying to do is get facts correct. Simple as that. Someone provided something that may explain this 30% number being quoted and I am actually looking at it as I noted in my response to that post. That is all I was asking for.
How about you cite a study then instead of telling everyone they're wrong? Don't want a taste of your own medicine?0 -
http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2009/11/091105102718.htm
Dealing with self-reported lactose intolerance.
http://statisticbrain.com/lactose-intolerance-statistics/ states that
"Total percentage of people who are lactose intolerant 33%"
"Total percentage of people who maintain ability to digest lactose after childhood 40%"
Datea from National Digestive Diseases Information....0
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