Eating 1200 calories a day?
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Seriously what kind of food are people eating that they can't get to 1200 calories? Are you like, eating a tomato and calling it a day? An apple alone has about 130, put some food in your mouth! Peanut Butter, nuts, meat, they're all calorific.
I completely agree with this. Wow. And second yes my dear it sounds like you should talk to someone. Even if it is just a nutrionist....
Ok Seriously, this is for all of you, if the OP is short, like me.. WE HAVE SMALL STOMACHS!! I had chicken wings today and I had to stop at 8 because I was so full I hurt. That's only 600 calories. AND I'm still not hungry. If us short people take a multivitamin and have extra body fat, starvation mode won't be an issue.
Think of it this way, the average height for men in this country is now 5'10. I'm 5 complete inches below that, and a lot of women on here are below the average female height of 5'7. If this site and most guidelines are written with "average" in mind (and yes I know it factors in height, but I still think short people are being overfed) then I'm pretty sure that when eating healthy, medium calorie foods (as opposed to breaded and fried calorie dense foods) you'll hit 1000-1200 cals a day and be stuffed. I usually am.
I'm just not that hungry. the only time I get over 1300 calories a day is when I eat sh.it, like fried stuff. If I stick to steamed vegetables, one head of broccoli and half a chicken breast makes me FULL.
You guys need to open your minds JUST a bit. Not everyone is 5'7-5'10. We are just a little bit different than you.
Short people on those survivalist shows (like the alaska experiment) had a MUCH easier time on very low cals, just because they were smaller. The tall people had to be taken off because of chronic weakness and illness.
That being said, the OP does sound like she has some issues with self image.
Nonsense.
Your body needs specific base nutrients that body fat cannot supply.
You need essential fatty acids, protein and some carbs.
Also dieting that low has negative effects on hormones as well as LBM loss.
A guy eating 1200 is like a woman eating 700.
It's not good.
As for feeling hungry you should look into leptin/ghrelin balance.
You aren't balanced.
I'm 5'6" and maintain 2k-3k depending on work.
*twitch*
I knew I was going to get roasted for saying it, but mindlessly repeating the same thing that salesmen say just isn't cutting it anymore. I come from a family of shorter people, and ALL of my uncles are overweight, and they eat like me, around 2000 calories a day before I started cutting, and they all have bellies.
Shut your mouth if you don't have experience with what you are talking about.
I actually help people lose weight.
I can help you too if you like.
If you have low energy expenditure and get your base macros in then knock yourself out.
You want 1g protein per pound of LBM.
You want .40-.75g essential fats per pound LBM.
You want proper carbs for fuel depending on your activity.
Dont know what I'm doing?
Ill notify my "clients" that they just got lucky on their fat loss.
Ps: I have shorter women with more fat than you losing weight faster than you eating more than you.
It's because they do it right.
Let me know if you need help.
Just PM me!
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This is exactly it! What I was trying to say in the beginning is that I AM STILL FULL. I can eat to the point my belly bulges and I have to have a lie-down but usually it's because of some chicken, some rice/potatoes and live three servings of beans or something. 500g of green beans adds up to something riciulously low like 150kcal or something. You could have 500g of nuts and it would probably be 100 times that. I am just as full, I do not deprive myself and I do get hungry, I just get most of my bulk from healthy, low calorie stuff.Because infiniquotes are irritating, and I snipped out what I was responding to. I read the rest of it and as *fascinating* and *special* as I find your difficulty in getting a minimum of calories without filling your stomach, I'm really not wanting to derail from the OP's stuff AGAIN. Seriously, though, how do you get overweight if you cannot possibly eat ALL THAT FOOD to get to 1300 calories.
I got to 210 pounds by eating entire boxes of cheeze its and snack crackers that were so calorie dense...
And I only ate maybe 2 or 3 times a day. Now that I am eating healthy, like vegetables and rice and chicken.. it's hard to hit 1300 calories. Once I cut out the processed crap.. I mean let me put it this way: X amount of food in my stomach makes me full. If it's healthy, then I have trouble getting to my calorie goals. If it's breaded crap, then it's easy for me to go over.
Does that make more sense?
If I tried to eat any more I would probably throw up, unless you're suggesting I eat junk food and....get fat because I'm eating lots of bad food. Then I'd be recommended to eat lots of good stuff instead, like vegetables to fill up which is exactly what I'm doing now.0 -
I know it was't the short guy cuz he just showed up
Oh gee thanks.
GAWD way to just quote a small portion and miss the biggest point!! Oh EMM GEEE!!!
Hey I said that because you took a snippet out of my big post and MISSED my disclaimer at the bottom that said OP has self image issues!!
Look wall of text guy (you didn't like short guy, and that's how you introduced yourself), when someone clearly has body image issues, you really shouldn't hand them an excuse for paragraphs that allows them to justify the behavior. Editing in one sentence does not counteract the many many words you used to describe how special and tiny you are and cannot eat much and therefore she can't either. I did not miss the point. You did.0 -
5’3” 104 – 133 Lbs is your healthy weight range. If you are 5'3" and 124 lbs you DO NOT NEED TO EAT AT A DEFICIT.
Starvation mode does not happen to fat people, but you are not fat. If you were, you could eat 800-1200 calories (under a doctors care) at your height. But the problem is you are lean enough to go into starvation mode now:
While you don’t have to worry about starvation mode when you have significant fat on your body, as you get closer to your goal you do need to increase your calories slightly as you get leaner as here’s why:
The Theory of Fat Availability:
•There is a set amount of fat that can be released from a fat cell.
•The more fat you have, the more fat can be used as a fuel when dieting.
•The less fat you have, the less fat can be used as a fuel when dieting.
•Towards the end of a transformation, when body fat is extremely low you
may not have enough fat to handle a large caloric deficit anymore.
At the extreme low end, when your body fat cannot ‘keep up’ with the energy deficit
you've imposed on your body, the energy MUST come from SOMEWHERE. This is
when you are at risk of losing lean body mass during dieting (commonly referred to
as ‘starvation mode’). This happens at extremely low levels of body fat, under 6% in
men and 12% in women [Friedl K.E. J Appl Phsiol, 1994].
-Brad Pilon and John Barban (from The Reverse Taper Diet in The Adonis Index and Venus Index manuals)
You simply need to lift weights. You will not "bulk up" if you lift weights. Girls don't have the hormones for it. It will make you look pretty and you don't have to workout as fanatically as I do, just 3 days a week doing an all body workout. It will help develop all of your body and keep you balanced as well as give you good bone density and make your joints stronger. I know you are young but now is the time to start and make it a life long habit, you will enjoy your quality of life more when you are older like be, and believe me life zips by pretty quickly, mine is half over now.
Everyone needs resistance training to improve their health and bone density and this will especially improve your quality of life when you get older. But you will not gain all that much lean body mass as fast as everyone thinks. Guys of course will gain more. A DXA scan will prove the point. There are lots of stories about changing size but no one REALLY knows unless they do a DXA scan. Here's more about that --> http://bradpilon.com/weight-loss/intermittent-fasting-and-bulking/ this is true whether you IF or not. My DXA scans proved that I really didn't gain that much lean body mass yet I look very muscular for a female. I have very high bone density from over 30 years of lifting yet my lean body mass is still only 104 lbs and my RMR is still only 1380.
I recently had my DXA scan done and at 51.5 years of age I have the bone density of a super athletic 30 year old. That is a direct result of lifting for over 30 years. Now if that is not scientific proof that lifting weights keeps you younger I don't know what is! Also I believe it is why most people think I look much younger than I really am. Because of this I don't have to worry about osteoporosis. If you wait until you are older and your bones start to deteriorate it's a bit too late, you can't get back what you lost, and you can only start a resistance routine that will prevent further damage.
Cardio is good for you but it is optional. I love cardio, but you can't out exercise too many calories. Of course you burn calories, but not near what all the HRM's say. I learned the hard way, running marathon after marathon (yes even multiple runs during the day), as well as hitting the gym hard, martial arts, staying active all the time, not eating while watching TV, not binging, not mindlessly eating, not pigging out, not having emotional eating issues, yet I gained weight year after year, each decade putting on the pounds. I worked harder and harder, not able to figure out what was wrong. It didn't seem like I ate too much, but for my small size I did and didn't realize it until just a few years ago when I finally started losing weight by eating less.0 -
Seriously what kind of food are people eating that they can't get to 1200 calories? Are you like, eating a tomato and calling it a day? An apple alone has about 130, put some food in your mouth! Peanut Butter, nuts, meat, they're all calorific.
I completely agree with this. Wow. And second yes my dear it sounds like you should talk to someone. Even if it is just a nutrionist....
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This is exactly it! What I was trying to say in the beginning is that I AM STILL FULL. I can eat to the point my belly bulges and I have to have a lie-down but usually it's because of some chicken, some rice/potatoes and live three servings of beans or something. 500g of green beans adds up to something riciulously low like 150kcal or something. You could have 500g of nuts and it would probably be 100 times that. I am just as full, I do not deprive myself and I do get hungry, I just get most of my bulk from healthy, low calorie stuff.Because infiniquotes are irritating, and I snipped out what I was responding to. I read the rest of it and as *fascinating* and *special* as I find your difficulty in getting a minimum of calories without filling your stomach, I'm really not wanting to derail from the OP's stuff AGAIN. Seriously, though, how do you get overweight if you cannot possibly eat ALL THAT FOOD to get to 1300 calories.
I got to 210 pounds by eating entire boxes of cheeze its and snack crackers that were so calorie dense...
And I only ate maybe 2 or 3 times a day. Now that I am eating healthy, like vegetables and rice and chicken.. it's hard to hit 1300 calories. Once I cut out the processed crap.. I mean let me put it this way: X amount of food in my stomach makes me full. If it's healthy, then I have trouble getting to my calorie goals. If it's breaded crap, then it's easy for me to go over.
Does that make more sense?
If I tried to eat any more I would probably throw up, unless you're suggesting I eat junk food and....get fat because I'm eating lots of bad food. Then I'd be recommended to eat lots of good stuff instead, like vegetables to fill up which is exactly what I'm doing now.
wall of text guy has made the situation worse. She is less likely to get help. It will take her longer to realize there is a problem. This is really sad.
OP, you deserve better than this. At one point you were seeking help. I presume because your parents took you. You have a diagnosis. This is a real thing. You deserve better than this. Please go get help. Don't seek solace from people who do not know you and will encourage the very behavior that likely caused your family to get you help in the first place.
BTW, I noticed that you did say that you eat meat. I had missed that earlier, and I was glad to see it.0 -
I actually help people lose weight.
I can help you too if you like.
If you have low energy expenditure and get your base macros in then knock yourself out.
You want 1g protein per pound of LBM.
You want .40-.75g essential fats per pound LBM.
You want proper carbs for fuel depending on your activity.
Do t know what I'm doing?
Ill notify my "clients" that thru just got lucky on their fat loss.
Ps: I have shorter women with more fat than you losing weight faster than you eating more than you.
It's because they do it right.
Let me know if you need help.
Just PM me!
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Well I just might do that, I meant no disrespect up above. sometimes my responses can be... unmeasured. However I have to say that I don't FEEL like I need to eat moar.. I am trying to take in my weight/g in protein.. which is hard because I have to eat fish or chicken ALL day or choke down those revolting protein shakes to get there. So I appreciate the sentiment, but I'm honestly AFRAID to eat more. and I don't have the hunger to eat more. If you guys want us shorter people to eat more calories, then it's going to be junk.
Like I said above X amount of food makes me full. One head of broccoli gets me full, and I have to force in the chicken breast after it to finish the meal. Or I can snack a small side of french fries and get my 500 calories in one sitting
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In response to her ORIGINAL message, I agree that maybe you should go talk to a dietician or maybe a therapist if you get a chance. I've struggled with body image issues since age 9 and depression since age 14. I'm 20 now. I know that sometimes it's embarrassing or a hassle or "below" you to go ask for help, but sometimes you have to swallow that pride and seek help. You say you have big boobs and a big butt and "thick" thighs. You say your stomach is slim and has defined muscles. I see absolutely no problem with that. I saw from your profile you are 18, which may or may not just be a lie to be able to get an account on here, but I don't know a single male who likes a stick figure girl with no butt or no boobs. An hourglass body is probably the most desirable shape there is. And "underwear models," like the ones who model Victoria Secret Pink brand underwear??? Those girls are ridiculously skinny. For starters, they are taller than you. A model has to be AT LEAST 5'9". If you do your research, those VS models also only weigh around 115 pounds. I am 5'9". Due to a lot of things, my weight has unfortunately gotten out of control, but at one point I was around 150 and I was not fat at all. If I try to picture myself weighing 115, I just get disgusted. I would have NO boobs, NO butt, NO curves to my body whatsoever. I would be straight up and down & have to wear ridiculously padded push-up bras just to appear to have an A cup. That's what those models do. NONE of them have the boobs that you see in their advertisements or on the runway. They have a good two inches of padding inside those bras that make them look like "Oooh look at me, I am skinny as a bone and STILL have big boobs!" It's impossible. It's unrealistic. If your body (which you admit is not fat or even slightly overweight at all) is naturally shaped with a WOMAN'S figure, then why are you trying to change what is inevitable?? You should be thankful that you have a shape to your body and a butt and boobs. People pay thousands and thousands of dollars to BUY a butt or boobs. Some of the most beautiful and sought after women in Hollywood have *kitten* the size of the moon. Kim Kardashian for example. Her butt is so massive yet boys want her and girls want to look like her. Then there's people like Kate Moss (I admit she is a good model sometimes) who is skin and bones. I've never heard anyone say "Omg she has the sexiest body. I want to look just like her." Because it's virtually just a taller version of a little girl's body. And also, she does DRUGS. And it's safe to say that the majority of the "skinny" celebrities you see all over the media do drugs too. Lindsay Lohan's body in Mean Girls was a good body. She was normal weight and had curves and boobs. People loved how she looked. Then she got into crack and heroine and whatever else, and got really skinny. There is no possible HEALTHY way to get rid of your WOMANLY body and turn into those crack-addict bodied girls UNLESS you starve yourself or do drugs. I don't recommend either one. Why?
If you starve yourself, which you are at this point...eating 800 calories a day is absolutely not enough to get the nutrients your body needs to live...you might get skinny. But you'll lose your boobs. They won't just get small though. If you lose weight super quickly and in an unhealthy way, your once big boobs will just turn into pancake-flat, saggy boobs. That's not cute. Your butt will be saggy and flat, and even your 000 pants will be loose on your butt like you just took a crap in them. Ya know how the area by your rib cage is nice and slim then curves out around your hips? It makes you look like a woman. Take that away and you're just going to look like a really tall 6-year-old little girl. Then one day once you're all nice and "small" and skinny "like your friends" and you think it's safe to just eat what you want, I wouldn't. Because going so long on so little calories will shock your body and make you lose weight. But instead of getting rid of the fat and the nasty stuff, it will eat away at your muscles. Then if you start eating normally again, your body, which is undergoing "starvation mode" will cling onto any bit of food it gets and store it as FAT. You'll start to gain back all the weight you lost plus a LOT more. Take it from me...chronic Yo-yo dieter since age 12. For example, one particular diet I just wanted results so fast that I obsessed over it and was skipping meals a lot. I lost 20 pounds. It was great. Until I stopped doing that and gained back the 20 pounds. Plus 20 more. Plus 20 more from a bad reaction to a medicine. And now I've dug myself a nice little fat ditch that I have to crawl my weigh out of SLOWLY and HEALTHY.
I know you said that losing your muscles is what you want, but let's face it. Nobody in their right mind wants their body to eat away their muscle mass. Once that happens, you'll just look unathletic, scrawny, and SOFT. You might think you'll look like Marisa Miller or Adriana Lima, but you need to remember that those girls were born with naturally slim bodies. But with the help of professional trainers, personal chefs, and million dollar paychecks, they work out and are extremely athletic to get those toned hard bodies that they flaunt. Everyday, all day, for their entire life is dedicated to their bodies. But in your case, just starving yourself will result in something more like Lindsay Lohan or Courtney Love a la their crack days. You can weigh 160 and be more in shape than a girl who weighs 100. But muscle is absolutely 100% necessary. On top of looking awful, you will feel awful. If your body had to resort to eating away all your muscles, there is no way you could participate in anything athletic. You won't have the energy to workout. You won't have energy period. Your heart rate will slow down and be in danger of stopping. I've seen it for myself. A girl I went to school with who tried to coach ME on healthy weight loss was actually eating only a few hundred calories per day and running 8 miles. She ended up being submitted to the hospital for over 2 months because her heart was too weak to even BEAT. You probably didn't think of all that, did you? Do you want that? Probably not.
I am not trying to be harsh whatsoever or make you feel bad about yourself. I'm trying to help you. Because I know how much it hurts and how unfair you think it is to look around at girls who happen to be smaller than you. But there are girls who look at YOU and are envious of your healthy, toned body that STILL has boobs and a butt! Remember, people pay SO MUCH money to look like that. Go talk to somebody. If you go to college, there are free psychiatrists, therapists, and dietitians that you can talk to. But your mindset absolutely has to change or you're going to end up on a really bad path. Please go get help.
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True story. Dan helped me
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*flies past all comments before the lock* there's no need for anyone to eat that little. Even in a coma, most of us need more than that. Eating so low will only make things more difficult in the long run and you won't be providing yourself with enough nutrients anyway. It's a GREAT way to get really, really weak. But hey, you wanna starve, do it. I'll be over here, eating 2000 in my deficit months and 2200+ otherwise.
FYI, Dan knows what he's talking about. Been following the dude's IPOARM since waaaaay before we became friends. Works.0 -
wall of text guy has made the situation worse. She is less likely to get help. It will take her longer to realize there is a problem. This is really sad.
OP, you deserve better than this. At one point you were seeking help. I presume because your parents took you. You have a diagnosis. This is a real thing. You deserve better than this. Please go get help. Don't seek solace from people who do not know you and will encourage the very behavior that likely caused your family to get you help in the first place.
BTW, I noticed that you did say that you eat meat. I had missed that earlier, and I was glad to see it.
I find fault with that statement. Honest and open discussions about eating habits and eating disorders and what may or may not constitute a disorder can never be bad.
Tell me, how does eating low calorie while feeling full = an eating disorder? Is she underweight? By your reasoning and your own comparing calorie needs between people, I have an eating disorder as well. And I can assure you that I do not.
I don't think that my statement led to anything harmful, I think it might have been a missing puzzle piece that OP was looking for. She cam ehere seeking answers on why she was full when eating so few calories. Maybe she wasn't logging everything and sneaking in 200 or 300 calories without realizing it. Maybe she doesn't need more than what she is eating.
I told you I'm from a short family, and my mom was overweight at 115 pounds. She's 4'10. and she has days where she eats maybe 1000 calories, and days where she will eat maybe 600. She logged because the doctors freaked out on her when she had to get a benign tumor removed and she wasn't eating everything the hospital served. She JUST doesn't eat that much. Some people don't.0 -
Curious OP, are you seeking thinspiration? You know what I mean ana.0
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Your attitude is a bit worrying, and your diet is kind of scary -- not just the low calorie count, but also the low nutritional value of the calories you're eating. ( Humans cannot live well on bread and bananas alone. ;-)
Maybe you could try eating some protein at breakfast, instead of bread and butter and Marmite. What about toast and Marmite and an egg? or Greek yogurt and berries and flax seed? or a poached egg with salsa and avocado?
Then, you could eat or drink a little lunch; maybe some chicken-vegetable soup? or a microwaved sweet potato? or a chocolate protein shake? or an egg and a grapefruit?
Maybe have a salad and tuna for your evening snack? or some celery and goat cheese? or a glass of vegetable juice and some cottage cheese? or a cup of soup?
Then, yes, a nice dinner.
At a minimum, I would think, you need to talk to a nutritionist. You can't have been getting the nutrients you need on that diet.
For exercise, you might consider swimming and Pilates, which both tend to encourage a smoother line.
But the basic build you have is what you have; even famine victims still show differences in body shape. Those of us not built like Kate Moss will never look like her, no matter what we do.
Meanwhile, if you concentrate on eating not just more but better -- aim for more vegetables and fruit, and pick them from the "superfood" lists -- you can show off better skin and hair and nails. (Some recent study in the UK showed that teens who ate at least five servings a day of non-starchy veg developed much better complexions!)
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eat more, anytime i went below 1300 i plateaued or gained weight because your body isn't getting enough nutrients.0
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What you wrote:
Tell me, how does eating low calorie while feeling full = an eating disorder? Is she underweight? By your reasoning and your own comparing calorie needs between people, I have an eating disorder as well. And I can assure you that I do not.
Reread this & then go research leptin.
"The reason you found yourself eating less and less over time is because leptin levels drop during calorie restriction. When you eat enough to fuel your body, leptin signals that you have eaten enough and are full. However, when leptin levels decrease, your body signals you are full despite not meeting your daily energy demands. In other words, your hunger signaling gets messed up which is why basing how much one eats during calorie restriction should not be on how hungry you are."0 -
wall of text guy has made the situation worse. She is less likely to get help. It will take her longer to realize there is a problem. This is really sad.
OP, you deserve better than this. At one point you were seeking help. I presume because your parents took you. You have a diagnosis. This is a real thing. You deserve better than this. Please go get help. Don't seek solace from people who do not know you and will encourage the very behavior that likely caused your family to get you help in the first place.
BTW, I noticed that you did say that you eat meat. I had missed that earlier, and I was glad to see it.
I find fault with that statement. Honest and open discussions about eating habits and eating disorders and what may or may not constitute a disorder can never be bad.
Tell me, how does eating low calorie while feeling full = an eating disorder? Is she underweight? By your reasoning and your own comparing calorie needs between people, I have an eating disorder as well. And I can assure you that I do not.
I don't think that my statement led to anything harmful, I think it might have been a missing puzzle piece that OP was looking for. She cam ehere seeking answers on why she was full when eating so few calories. Maybe she wasn't logging everything and sneaking in 200 or 300 calories without realizing it. Maybe she doesn't need more than what she is eating.
I told you I'm from a short family, and my mom was overweight at 115 pounds. She's 4'10. and she has days where she eats maybe 1000 calories, and days where she will eat maybe 600. She logged because the doctors freaked out on her when she had to get a benign tumor removed and she wasn't eating everything the hospital served. She JUST doesn't eat that much. Some people don't.
For clarity can you post your:
Age
Height
Weight
Body fat%
Occupation
Workout routine
Just so we can all be in the same book.0 -
I love how everyone is diagnosing you with an eating disorder. . . . LMAO :laugh: Have them all show you their degrees in Psychology and/or Nutrition. My guess is that they don't have one! :noway:
On a serious note, you might consider contacting Helloitsdan if you really want to learn how to eat more calories and still lose. He has helped a lot of people get on track. :flowerforyou:0 -
look, there is a lot of people on here beating you up about your caloric intake without knowing alot about you. first if you have a small frame and are a really really really small person to begin with, your bmr might be around 1200 calories. that should place you at about 95 lbs...and sedentary. but im gonna guess that you are slightly larger than that. who knows but you...and you have to be honest with yourself...
if you are active you need to add more calories in too. you can seriously jack up your metabolism if you cut calories too low. you can cause hormonal problems too. calories are important...your body needs that.
if your not active you should be. you can get lean by nutrition alone but if you want to add curves, hit the iron. lifting weights wont bulk you up, but it will add shape. it will keep away the "skinny fat". where you lose weight but still look squishy. that may not even be a concern for you.
but set realistic goals, eat right, feed that body. check out fat2fitradio.com and bodybuilding.com for some insight to nutrition...nutrition is KING. all the supliments, mostly garbage...just eat right, you can do it:glasses:
This.
Like others have said, you can't provide your body with the nutrition it needs to be HEALTHY if you're only eating 500-800 calories a day. There are a lot of healthy, good-for-you foods that are high in calories....nuts, peanut butter, some fruits and vegetables, meat, etc. It's about being healthy, not necessarily being thin.0 -
Ok, I'm just not engaging in the wall of text thing any more. It is against my genetics.
Had you actually read the WHOLE thread rather than responding to a small portion of it without getting the context (watch out on that btw, there's a guy in here who gets REALLY upset if people do that), you would have noticed that she disclosed HERSELF that she has a diagnosed disorder: Body Dismorphic Disorder. You would have noticed that her weight is well within the normal range (as is her height, btw) and that her complaint is that she has muscles. Despite her lowish weight and low bf% she is looking to lose weight and is eating at a ridiculously low level, particularly given the number of people who have told you that they have confirmation that at that height, their BMR's are WAY above 800 calories.
In a situation like that, seriously, offering her, without knowing a darn thing about her, and not having actually read the thread for comprehension, an excuse to continue eating at a ridiculously low level so she can acheive her goal of starving away the muscles on her legs (and the vital organs that will go with it), is actually NOT a good idea.
She disclosed having an ACTUAL mental disorder, which by definition distorts her way of thinking. In that instance, wall of text guy, it really IS a situation in which an open discussion of eating habits and whatever else you said really IS something with the potential to cause damage no matter how interesting you find it to talk about your short family in someone else's thread. Unless of course, you are her psychiatrist and this is part of your treatment plan?0 -
I love how everyone is diagnosing you with an eating disorder. . . . LMAO :laugh: Have them all show you their degrees in Psychology and/or Nutrition. My guess is that they don't have one! :noway:
On a serious note, you might consider contacting Helloitsdan if you really want to learn how to eat more calories and still lose. He has helped a lot of people get on track. :flowerforyou:
No one is diagnosing her (well maybe other than the girl who called her ana). She herself disclosed that she has Body Dismorphic Disorder. I am taking her at her word.0 -
Please talk to a nutritionist, and a good therapist. I used to be anorexic and it sounds to me that you are. It is not a fun road. I would look at dog food and want to eat itl No joke, it is a very serious mental thing. You might struggle with it for a long time, or struggle with bad eating habits. I would suggest increasing your calories and doing weight lifting, dont eat too little, its not worth it, you are beautiful no matter But, dont start binge eating or anything, be detmined to be a healthy you, not a skinny you.
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wall of text guy has made the situation worse. She is less likely to get help. It will take her longer to realize there is a problem. This is really sad.
OP, you deserve better than this. At one point you were seeking help. I presume because your parents took you. You have a diagnosis. This is a real thing. You deserve better than this. Please go get help. Don't seek solace from people who do not know you and will encourage the very behavior that likely caused your family to get you help in the first place.
BTW, I noticed that you did say that you eat meat. I had missed that earlier, and I was glad to see it.
I find fault with that statement. Honest and open discussions about eating habits and eating disorders and what may or may not constitute a disorder can never be bad.
Tell me, how does eating low calorie while feeling full = an eating disorder? Is she underweight? By your reasoning and your own comparing calorie needs between people, I have an eating disorder as well. And I can assure you that I do not.
I don't think that my statement led to anything harmful, I think it might have been a missing puzzle piece that OP was looking for. She cam ehere seeking answers on why she was full when eating so few calories. Maybe she wasn't logging everything and sneaking in 200 or 300 calories without realizing it. Maybe she doesn't need more than what she is eating.
I told you I'm from a short family, and my mom was overweight at 115 pounds. She's 4'10. and she has days where she eats maybe 1000 calories, and days where she will eat maybe 600. She logged because the doctors freaked out on her when she had to get a benign tumor removed and she wasn't eating everything the hospital served. She JUST doesn't eat that much. Some people don't.
For clarity can you post your:
Age
Height
Weight
Body fat%
Occupation
Workout routine
Just so we can all be in the same book.
Sure, I'm 27
I'm every last bit of 5'4.99" high.
I started on Sept 12th at 210, 34% body fat - I am now 180 @25.6% bf
I sit at a ****ing desk all..day.. long. Plugging numbers into a spreadsheet, and hating the majority of it 6 days a week.
I work out 3 times a week for an hour, 30 miuntes with a personal trainer who loves to murder my muscles, and then 20-30 minutes of sprints and jogs on the treadmill afterwards.0 -
I am sorry, I did not read this whole posting before I responded. My advice is only one opinion, and I wanted to be helpful. Please pick and choose who you listen to wisely. But 800 calories is not enough fuel I dont think. Because that was what I was eating when I was anorexic. Be strong and love yourself, the most! important person to love you is you :blushing:0
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I actually help people lose weight.
I can help you too if you like.
If you have low energy expenditure and get your base macros in then knock yourself out.
You want 1g protein per pound of LBM.
You want .40-.75g essential fats per pound LBM.
You want proper carbs for fuel depending on your activity.
Do t know what I'm doing?
Ill notify my "clients" that thru just got lucky on their fat loss.
Ps: I have shorter women with more fat than you losing weight faster than you eating more than you.
It's because they do it right.
Let me know if you need help.
Just PM me!
=D
Well I just might do that, I meant no disrespect up above. sometimes my responses can be... unmeasured. However I have to say that I don't FEEL like I need to eat moar.. I am trying to take in my weight/g in protein.. which is hard because I have to eat fish or chicken ALL day or choke down those revolting protein shakes to get there. So I appreciate the sentiment, but I'm honestly AFRAID to eat more. and I don't have the hunger to eat more. If you guys want us shorter people to eat more calories, then it's going to be junk.
Like I said above X amount of food makes me full. One head of broccoli gets me full, and I have to force in the chicken breast after it to finish the meal. Or I can snack a small side of french fries and get my 500 calories in one sitting
No you don't have to eat french fries. Why don't you try eating some avocado, nuts or seeds, peanut butter, full fat dairy etc etc??? You'll do your body a favour and your taste buds in the process.0 -
Okay, the criteria for particular eating disorders is very clean, guys. I would not say she has anorexia yet guys, but OP, you do seem to have hints of ED-NOS, which is what I suffered from and still struggle with. Your fear of feeling and gaining weight is a key characteristic of that and I'm wondering what your food diary looks like...are you having one big meal? Try having smaller, more calories dense meals throughout the day? Nuts are very healthy...they are labelled as high fat but the unprocessed 'raw' ones are healthy and the fats in them are healthy ones.
I suggest having a look at Dan's plan and trying it for a week or two with the food suggestions people have given.
If you want to add me, feel free, and if you are worried that you have disordered eating, speak to a doctor or phone someone. There are loads of different free anomonyous services that can give you advice Trust me tht ED-NOS CAN turn into Anorexia but it sounds like you do want to eat more.
Take it from me and a lot of other people in Dan's 'crew' that you can eat more, lose weight and still have your diet very healthy for the calories you take in.
I wish you luck and support in whatever your choices are
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wall of text guy has made the situation worse. She is less likely to get help. It will take her longer to realize there is a problem. This is really sad.
OP, you deserve better than this. At one point you were seeking help. I presume because your parents took you. You have a diagnosis. This is a real thing. You deserve better than this. Please go get help. Don't seek solace from people who do not know you and will encourage the very behavior that likely caused your family to get you help in the first place.
BTW, I noticed that you did say that you eat meat. I had missed that earlier, and I was glad to see it.
I find fault with that statement. Honest and open discussions about eating habits and eating disorders and what may or may not constitute a disorder can never be bad.
Tell me, how does eating low calorie while feeling full = an eating disorder? Is she underweight? By your reasoning and your own comparing calorie needs between people, I have an eating disorder as well. And I can assure you that I do not.
I don't think that my statement led to anything harmful, I think it might have been a missing puzzle piece that OP was looking for. She cam ehere seeking answers on why she was full when eating so few calories. Maybe she wasn't logging everything and sneaking in 200 or 300 calories without realizing it. Maybe she doesn't need more than what she is eating.
I told you I'm from a short family, and my mom was overweight at 115 pounds. She's 4'10. and she has days where she eats maybe 1000 calories, and days where she will eat maybe 600. She logged because the doctors freaked out on her when she had to get a benign tumor removed and she wasn't eating everything the hospital served. She JUST doesn't eat that much. Some people don't.
For clarity can you post your:
Age
Height
Weight
Body fat%
Occupation
Workout routine
Just so we can all be in the same book.
Sure, I'm 27
I'm every last bit of 5'4.99" high.
I started on Sept 12th at 210, 34% body fat - I am now 180 @25.6% bf
I sit at a ****ing desk all..day.. long. Plugging numbers into a spreadsheet, and hating the majority of it 6 days a week.
I work out 3 times a week for an hour, 30 miuntes with a personal trainer who loves to murder my muscles, and then 20-30 minutes of sprints and jogs on the treadmill afterwards.
So starting stats 5'5" 210 34%BF with LBM 138.6lbs
Working out 3x a week circuit style.
Now at 5'5" 180 26%BF with LBM 133.2lbs
BMR 1678
TDEE 2600-2850 daily.
How long have you been dieting down and what's your average daily intake?0 -
For clarity can you post your:
Age
Height
Weight
Body fat%
Occupation
Workout routine
Just so we can all be in the same book.
Sure, I'm 27
I'm every last bit of 5'4.99" high.
I started on Sept 12th at 210, 34% body fat - I am now 180 @25.6% bf
I sit at a ****ing desk all..day.. long. Plugging numbers into a spreadsheet, and hating the majority of it 6 days a week.
I work out 3 times a week for an hour, 30 miuntes with a personal trainer who loves to murder my muscles, and then 20-30 minutes of sprints and jogs on the treadmill afterwards.
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So starting stats 5'5" 210 34%BF with LBM 138.6lbs
Working out 3x a week circuit style.
Now at 5'5" 180 26%BF with LBM 133.2lbs
BMR 1678
TDEE 2600-2850 daily.
How long have you been dieting down and what's your average daily intake?
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Well my journal is open, and I log every day. It's accurate minus the occasional single cracker I sneak in. I eat in the neighborhood of 1000 calories day in and day out, with a multivitamin and protein shakes most days. I've been dieting like this since I hired my trainer Sept 12th. And she tells me the same thing, I eat too little. I ask myself if I am truly hungry, or just bored and want to graze - and usually I can wait a bit longer. I eat when I want, I just don't eat that often.
I've tried eating frequently, every couple of hours, all at once, fasting, gorging, low carbs. low fats. with cardio. without cardio. My workouts mostly consist of weight training, lifting. She wants me to do crossfit and I just growl at her. Cardio leaves me out of breath, but unspent, weight training leaves me feeling weak and spent and unable to walk after squatting heavy enough. I just hit a new high in squatting though, I was able to do 205 x3
In high school I was able to do 405 squatting. I want to get back there while slashing off this belleh.
I hit 180 a month ago, and have been at this plateau for 3 weeks now.0 -
The guy is not eating enough PERIOD.wall of text guy has made the situation worse. She is less likely to get help. It will take her longer to realize there is a problem. This is really sad.
OP, you deserve better than this. At one point you were seeking help. I presume because your parents took you. You have a diagnosis. This is a real thing. You deserve better than this. Please go get help. Don't seek solace from people who do not know you and will encourage the very behavior that likely caused your family to get you help in the first place.
BTW, I noticed that you did say that you eat meat. I had missed that earlier, and I was glad to see it.
I find fault with that statement. Honest and open discussions about eating habits and eating disorders and what may or may not constitute a disorder can never be bad.
Tell me, how does eating low calorie while feeling full = an eating disorder? Is she underweight? By your reasoning and your own comparing calorie needs between people, I have an eating disorder as well. And I can assure you that I do not.
I don't think that my statement led to anything harmful, I think it might have been a missing puzzle piece that OP was looking for. She cam ehere seeking answers on why she was full when eating so few calories. Maybe she wasn't logging everything and sneaking in 200 or 300 calories without realizing it. Maybe she doesn't need more than what she is eating.
I told you I'm from a short family, and my mom was overweight at 115 pounds. She's 4'10. and she has days where she eats maybe 1000 calories, and days where she will eat maybe 600. She logged because the doctors freaked out on her when she had to get a benign tumor removed and she wasn't eating everything the hospital served. She JUST doesn't eat that much. Some people don't.
For clarity can you post your:
Age
Height
Weight
Body fat%
Occupation
Workout routine
Just so we can all be in the same book.
Sure, I'm 27
I'm every last bit of 5'4.99" high.
I started on Sept 12th at 210, 34% body fat - I am now 180 @25.6% bf
I sit at a ****ing desk all..day.. long. Plugging numbers into a spreadsheet, and hating the majority of it 6 days a week.
I work out 3 times a week for an hour, 30 miuntes with a personal trainer who loves to murder my muscles, and then 20-30 minutes of sprints and jogs on the treadmill afterwards.
So starting stats 5'5" 210 34%BF with LBM 138.6lbs
Working out 3x a week circuit style.
Now at 5'5" 180 26%BF with LBM 133.2lbs
BMR 1678
TDEE 2600-2850 daily.
How long have you been dieting down and what's your average daily intake?
Just keep it simple.
HIS weight x 12-14
Protien= 1g
Fat=.35-.50 per lb of LBM or weight
CHO= fill the rest in
Profit.
The guy is in denial. His whole family is over weight due to overeating (undereating too) and a lack of exercise.0 -
Find other ways to add calories to your smoothies. And eat things with protein in them, even if its a greek yogurt, most are about 150 calories and have a decent amount of protein.0
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I know it was't the short guy cuz he just showed up
Oh gee thanks.
GAWD way to just quote a small portion and miss the biggest point!! Oh EMM GEEE!!!
Are we on here to argue or help? I'm trying to read advice for the poor girl and all I keep seeing are constant battles between everyone else. MFP should be a positive environment, if someone says something you don't like, simply ignore it. I just don't understand some people, how old are we?0
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