Paleo Diet

plaeo is a joke.

agreed.

In Italy they eat bread and pasta and have a pastry ever morning with their espresso and the obesity rate is 8%, which basically means we should all go to Italy where the nutrients seem to be benign.

they have lucky metabolisms

Or their espresso's are made with green coffee beans and it revs up their metabolisms

or they get up from their meal and walk instead of sitting on the computer being a sarcastic and condescending jerkweed

plaeo is a joke.

agreed.

In Italy they eat bread and pasta and have a pastry ever morning with their espresso and the obesity rate is 8%, which basically means we should all go to Italy where the nutrients seem to be benign.

they have lucky metabolisms

Or their espresso's are made with green coffee beans and it revs up their metabolisms

or they get up from their meal and walk instead of sitting on the computer being a sarcastic and condescending jerkweed

Don't be so hard on yourself.

You can start here: http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/20089734

You realize how CVD works, right? You eat refined carbs (as part of your Standard American Diet), which raises the level of triglycerides in your blood. In the presence of high trigs, "small, dense" VLDL are created, , while decreasing the production of HDL. The VLDL particles are then transported and deposited in the spaces between the endothelial cells. While stuck, the VLDL become oxidized, creating inflammation of the arterial wall. With the reduced HDL, there is no way for your body to naturally repair the damage.

Your immune system then sends white blood cells to assist, which are overwhelmed, increasing the severity of the lesion resulting the plaque accumulation on the wall of the artery.

So you can either eat high carb diets resulting in higher trigs and an exacerbation of the issue, or you can eat low carb (under 150g per day) and assist you body in preventing heart diseases.

Totally up to you.

And if you noticed, i said the studies are coming. Every day studies are produced absolving saturated fat as the culprit of heart disease. And we know it's not protein. So that only leaves....

Actually, eating grains as part of an balanced, healthy diet is a no-brainer, unless you have some sort of medical condition.

Carbohydrates, especially refined carbohydrates, cause heart disease. The science will show this, but studies can't be created overnight. Now, if you choose to continue to consume them and go down that path, that's okay with me. But as for me and my house, we will serve meat.

O rly? Please post those studies

Anti low carb hatemongering is fashionable. Ignoring it's usefulness to some people who choose to use it as a tool is fun. Too bad there are plenty of studies both ways to make any claim you wish.

Dude you gotta post studies with that kind of odd claim. Even if you are right I really want to read it. I feel like crap when I am not low carbing.

Thanks for playing. Ignorance in the age of information is a choice.

Best of luck to you and your's.

You can start here: http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/20089734

You realize how CVD works, right? You eat refined carbs (as part of your Standard American Diet), which raises the level of triglycerides in your blood. In the presence of high trigs, "small, dense" VLDL are created, , while decreasing the production of HDL. The VLDL particles are then transported and deposited in the spaces between the endothelial cells. While stuck, the VLDL become oxidized, creating inflammation of the arterial wall. With the reduced HDL, there is no way for your body to naturally repair the damage.

Your immune system then sends white blood cells to assist, which are overwhelmed, increasing the severity of the lesion resulting the plaque accumulation on the wall of the artery.

So you can either eat high carb diets resulting in higher trigs and an exacerbation of the issue, or you can eat low carb (under 150g per day) and assist you body in preventing heart diseases.

Totally up to you.

And if you noticed, i said the studies are coming. Every day studies are produced absolving saturated fat as the culprit of heart disease. And we know it's not protein. So that only leaves....

Actually, eating grains as part of an balanced, healthy diet is a no-brainer, unless you have some sort of medical condition.

Carbohydrates, especially refined carbohydrates, cause heart disease. The science will show this, but studies can't be created overnight. Now, if you choose to continue to consume them and go down that path, that's okay with me. But as for me and my house, we will serve meat.

O rly? Please post those studies

Low carb has also been shown to negatively effect cognitive skills and increase bewilderment, which may explain how you arrived at your conclusion that carbs cause CVD and for you to post a study which in no way supports that assertion

I ate pizza and pasta in Italy before...

JFC, you are a piece of work. What I said is, we've eliminated two of the three macronutriants as the source of heart disease. Until the third is eliminated, it is just as likely the primary cause of CVD as is sugar or air. It was not a conclusion nor a definitive statement.

If you choose not to believe how CVD develops, then that's fine. That doesn't mean it doesn't work like that. Kinda like if you want to believe that the earth is only 6000 years old. That's cool. But that doesn't make it true.

It's my third post on this site, and I've already been trolled. Congrats to me!

Thanks for playing. Ignorance in the age of information is a choice.

Best of luck to you and your's.

I'm glad you realized you are ignorant, your conclusion that if saturated fat and protein doesn't cause CVD then carbs must, is absurd

JFC, you are a piece of work. What I said is, we've eliminated two of the three macronutriants as the source of heart disease. Until the third is eliminated, it is just as likely the primary cause of CVD as is sugar or air. It was not a conclusion nor a definitive statement.

If you choose not to believe how CVD develops, then that's fine. That doesn't mean it doesn't work like that. Kinda like if you want to believe that the earth is only 6000 years old. That's cool. But that doesn't make it true.

It's my third post on this site, and I've already been trolled. Congrats to me!

Thanks for playing. Ignorance in the age of information is a choice.

Best of luck to you and your's.

I'm glad you realized you are ignorant, your conclusion that if saturated fat and protein doesn't cause CVD then carbs must, is absurd

Is it carbs that contribute to CVD or chronic overeating along with other lifestyle shortcomings. Centenarians around the world have eaten carbs since birth, so for anyone to point the finger at one macronutrient that is the cause of CVD is silly. I do agree with some improvements in lipid, trigs, lp(a), and CRP when compared to a high carb diet.....I posted a study that you should like.

Long-term weight loss and cardiometabolic effects of a very-low-carbohydrate, high-saturated-fat diet (LC) and a high-carbohydrate, low-fat diet

http://ajcn.nutrition.org/content/90/1/23.full?maxtoshow=&hits=10&RESULTFORMAT=&searchid=1&FIRSTINDEX=0&minscore=5000&resourcetype=HWCIT

paleo is neither a Very low carb nor a high saturated fat diet

I am not on a paleo diet but all this hate for paleo is unfounded and finding studies that are used to misrepresent the paleo diet seems desperate

Did you actually read the study, no you didn't have time. I'm not and do not discredit the medical advantages of a diet lower in carbs, just the outright ignorance of a metabolic advantage or the preaching of it's superiority. It's also not high saturated fat, just more than the RDA recommends, and a paleo diet can be higher in saturated fat and can be low in carbs for comparison purposes with other diets, you should know this stuff, considering your vigilance to support it

Long-term weight loss and cardiometabolic effects of a very-low-carbohydrate, high-saturated-fat diet (LC) and a high-carbohydrate, low-fat diet

http://ajcn.nutrition.org/content/90/1/23.full?maxtoshow=&hits=10&RESULTFORMAT=&searchid=1&FIRSTINDEX=0&minscore=5000&resourcetype=HWCIT

paleo is neither a Very low carb nor a high saturated fat diet

I am not on a paleo diet but all this hate for paleo is unfounded and finding studies that are used to misrepresent the paleo diet seems desperate

Did you actually read the study, no you didn't have time. I'm not and do not discredit the medical advantages of a diet lower in carbs, just the outright ignorance of a metabolic advantage or the preaching of it's superiority. It's also not high saturated fat, just more than the RDA recommends, and a paleo diet can be higher in saturated fat and can be low in carbs for comparison purposes with other diets, you should know this stuff, considering your vigilance to support it

I tried to c&p your cite but it was too long so I went by the title of the study.

and yes, I know this stuff and do not suggest a Very low carb approach. Paleo, from what I understand, is anti grain. That is not the same as anti carb or even very low carb although it can be lower than "normal" diets. I assumed that the title of the study was descriptive.

The study supports some aspects of the low carb diet, which was my point, but the overall weight loss and many other metabolic factors were a wash. Most sites that support paleo want people to reduce their carb consumption drastically, so for the most part it is low carb, even though paleo doesn't have to be and when you look at the ethnographical atlas which has the data from the 200+ H-G sites shows that we actually ate carbs with an average macros split of 65/35 Animal/Plant. You might want to take a look at the Kitavan study http://healwithfood.org/diet/kitavan-diet-foods.php which is a group in SEA where they consume about 70% carbs and have no degenerative diseases and no cases of heart disease........Paleo is a good story, but when everything else in factored in, it's just another diet, only a diet with many restrictions.

.......Paleo is a good story, but when everything else in factored in, it's just another diet, only a diet with many restrictions.

true.

and my point is always the same.....

why all the mockery and hate? it's just another diet yet it causes ridicule and shaming. Overall, it is not a bad diet. Just overly restrictive for me.

Because people push it as gospel and try to make people feel that their going to die from diseases of modern civilization......because of this I put the paleosphere in line with veganworld....very similar religions on many levels.....j/k

Acid reflux, indigestion, gas, bloating, tooth decay, depression, craving, over-eating etc is "sick". Instead of belittling and ridiculing why don't you try asking "what illnesses did you treat by changing your diet?". You might learn something interesting; or not, since you think we are all just "angry".

How do any of those things directly refer to a non-paleo diet? Yeesh....

I was wondering that too. I used to get gas and bloating, as well as heartburn, before MFP when I was eating way too much food. Simply restricting calories and getting a balanced diet has pretty much eliminated any and all of that. I did get a bit of gas one day from too much broccoli. But other than that, I feel better than I have since I was a teenager. (In spite of the fact that I eat peanuts, dairy, and grains every day, sometimes several times a day. Go figure.)

Ah nutrition, a relatively new science and one few people truly understand. Some people know parts but rarely the big picture. The metabolic processes that occur in the human body are complex and contain so many pathways few appreciate.

Carbs-important
Amino acids- important
Fats- important
Learn about metabolism...

Additionally, vitamins, antioxidants, minerals, phytochemocals...important

Eat a balanced meal, do not over indulge, exercise. There you go, live happily

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