To those doing very low cals (in the 600 to 1200 range)
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So.. right... those who are 5ft and shorter must stick to 1200 and above only?
I can tell you right now it doesn't exactly work that way for us shorter people... I try to net 1000 a day which ensures around 0.5lbs a week usually of fat loss... put most cals in protein.
Oh, note I said net.... I mean on weekends say I do a LSD run for example of 22-30km so ummm 1500-2000 cals burnt.. I eat back ALL those calories either on pre run snacks, during run snacks and recovery after running, then still eat my usual 1000 on top.
It works for me... To stay same I roughly need about 1500-1800 total with hardly any training, I couldn't NOT train so that out question, but lighter training and eating that amount makes me stay same...
You do not know the full stats of the person to comment on their nutrition. Sure, most people here are above 5ft, I'm willing most are above 5ft 4in... and I'm a male 5ft... most males who say to lose weight they eat 1500-1800... They what? 5ft 6in, maybe 6ft or more? Don't just lump us short folk into the same cat as you tall folk
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Do you think 1200 calories will preserve your current muscle mass?
I didn't have much muscle mass to begin with. I hurt my back in the middle of dieting and therefore didn't work out other than cardio since June, so I probably did not preserve it. Not ideal, but I don't think that I irrevocably damaged myself by losing weight this way. Also, mfp actually recommends a 1200 calorie diet. I don't think they would recommend something that's going to be damaging.
I think some of the points are if you are eating as low as you are, a reason you could have gotten hurt is because the less muscle mass you have, the less support your body has and the more prone to injury. If you monitor body fat composition (fat mass vs everything else) you can see what is wrong with low calorie diets. You can see larger losses in muscle as opposed to fat. When you lose lean body mass, there are a ton of issues that come along with it (less support for your body, your body relies on tissue, joints and ligaments more for mobility, a slower metabolism, less insulin resistance [demonstrated in skinny people with diabetes II]. etc). Unfortunately, many people do not track their fat loss but only weight loss and many over extend their goals based on an erroneous number. If i wanted to get back to my high school weight, I would have to lose 15 lbs of muscle but I rather weight an extra 15 lbs to preserve that.
Obviously you can do what you want, but I would ask, do your goals match your diet? My goal is to look athletic and be strong, a goal that can not be obtained by a very low calorie diet. Like the thread below, if you want to a specific weight and don't care about muscle, you will look like the girl on the left. If you want muscle to be have a tighter and leaner body, then you need to eat like the girl on the right. Either way, I wish you the best.
http://www.myfitnesspal.com/topics/show/392784-skinny-fat-vs-fit-photo?hl=skinny+fat0 -
This was a fantastic video, and I hope people take it serious.0
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There are countless studies out there but here is a current one with subjects on VLCDs who attempted to preserve LBM yet still suffered severe decreases in RMR. /Thread.Abstract
Context: An important goal during weight loss is to maximize fat loss while preserving metabolically active fat-free mass (FFM). Massive weight loss typically results in substantial loss of FFM potentially slowing metabolic rate.
Objective: Our objective was to determine whether a weight loss program consisting of diet restriction and vigorous exercise helped to preserve FFM and maintain resting metabolic rate (RMR).
Participants and Intervention: We measured body composition by dual-energy x-ray absorptiometry, RMR by indirect calorimetry, and total energy expenditure by doubly labeled water at baseline (n = 16), wk 6 (n = 11), and wk 30 (n = 16).
Results: At baseline, participants were severely obese (×± sd; body mass index 49.4 ± 9.4 kg/m2) with 49 ± 5% body fat. At wk 30, more than one third of initial body weight was lost (−38 ± 9%) and consisted of 17 ± 8% from FFM and 83 ± 8% from fat. RMR declined out of proportion to the decrease in body mass, demonstrating a substantial metabolic adaptation (−244 ± 231 and −504 ± 171 kcal/d at wk 6 and 30, respectively, P < 0.01). Energy expenditure attributed to physical activity increased by 10.2 ± 5.1 kcal/kg·d at wk 6 and 6.0 ± 4.1 kcal/kg·d at wk 30 (P < 0.001 vs. zero).
Conclusions: Despite relative preservation of FFM, exercise did not prevent dramatic slowing of resting metabolism out of proportion to weight loss. This metabolic adaptation may persist during weight maintenance and predispose to weight regain unless high levels of physical activity or caloric restriction are maintained.
http://jcem.endojournals.org/content/early/2012/04/24/jc.2012-1444.abstract?rss=10 -
This is what I have gone though. Due to gallstones I couldn't stomach most foods thus it was agreed to put me on a food replacement that only gave me 600cals a day. After 7 long months I lost a ton of wright now I'm trying to eat again but am struggling. I'm aiming for 1400-1600 a day but It's hard to eat so much sometimes. I need help and am unsure of where to get these answers I tried my Dr and basically she had no answers just referred me to a weight loss group. Can anyone help with advice or tell me where I can get help with this. As I keep putting weight on and I'd like to try and continue to get healthy and lose more in a better way.thanks xx0
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I agree that metabolic damage happens on very long stints of caloric deficits, especially when it's less than 50% of TDEE. However, the most efficient way of losing fat is to not eat. That's why it's very effective (short term) to use VLCD or starvation. Short term PSMF, or Intermittent Fasting work extremely well without the negatives of doing a long term VLCD.
I'm 85 lbs down using IF and VLCD/PSMF and I'm not having issues gaining fat when I'm eating on my "eat" days. There are many examples of people getting ripped doing it and keeping it.
I strongly agree with the point of not doing low intensity cardio (some is ok). The wasting of lean mass of long stints of low intensity cardio does no good. What should be done is high intensity lifting / intervals.0 -
Years ago when I was in my 20's, I thought that starving myself was the way to lose weight. I lived on raw veggies, oatmeal and diet drinks for 4 months. I sure did lose weight...and muscle tone and chunks of my hair!!! Everyone told me I looked awful. When I began to eat sensibly again, I gained it all back, PLUS about 30 lbs. To this day that extra weight wants to come back on. I have been working out 6 days a week for 3 years and have lost 25 lbs and kept it off. I have more to lose and I find that 1-2 lbs per week works the best and I feel great. I don't try to drive 1,000 miles on an empty tank of gas.0
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Haven't watched the video yet, but I'll listen when I see for myself that a 1,200 calorie diet is doing bad things to me. Thus far, I haven't seen any negative affects from it. It's kind of addictive though and I'm so used to it. I hope I can up it it when I reach my goal weight.
I really truly hope it never happens and you reach your goal without ever entering a stage at which you cannot lose weight without further reduction in calories.
But,
here's the problem I would have with this statement. You are essentially saying, until I break something I'm not going to see it as an issue. In other words you're being reactionary with your body instead of adjusting your habits and techniques to avoid an issue, you're waiting until an issue happens before you make a change. This is going to make it harder to change if something does happen, and lead to a higher possibility of failure in the long run.
I'm not saying you should change, I don't know your situation well enough to comment on that, I'm saying, it can be bad to automatically assume that what works now will always work.
Agreed.
Its like saying my car has below the recommend amount of oil in it but because it hasn't broken down yet, its fine and I shouldn't worry.
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mfp recommended 1200 calories, therefore i'm not viewing it as below the recommended amount of oil.
I'm a nutritional coach, I help diet people, I work for Gaspari and Layne's information here is countering what you say in a strong and detailed manner.
But a website that allows the user to key in random figures and spits out a response is more likely to be correct?
Ockhams Razor IMO.
I've really enjoyed the advice from the body-builders and other healthy types here. It's too bad that most of us can't grasp that a low calorie diet is detrimental in the long run. I get that. Weight watchers, and a myriad of organizations, provided a great lesson on how NOT to eat if one wants to be healthy and look good.
I don't know why it is so hard for people to understand that one cannot maintain, or build muscle, without eating a lot of healthy food. It's also too bad that most of us here are so focused on rapid weight loss that we input that we want to lose more than 1 pound per week and that's why MFP spits out the magic 1200. That's as low as it will go... and yet there are so many people that think that is appropriate and take it very personal when other people question it or try to present more information.
I think my calories are currently too low to build muscle but I still have lots from hauling my big body around. I also have a Bowflex at home that I will figure out how to put together over Christmas. It's a no-brainer that I will have to eat more if I intend to make my body look better.
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Years ago when I was in my 20's, I thought that starving myself was the way to lose weight. I lived on raw veggies, oatmeal and diet drinks for 4 months. I sure did lose weight...and muscle tone and chunks of my hair!!! Everyone told me I looked awful. When I began to eat sensibly again, I gained it all back, PLUS about 30 lbs. To this day that extra weight wants to come back on. I have been working out 6 days a week for 3 years and have lost 25 lbs and kept it off. I have more to lose and I find that 1-2 lbs per week works the best and I feel great. I don't try to drive 1,000 miles on an empty tank of gas.
You just described all of the Weight Watcher meeting leaders that I have ever had (no, I'm not part of that insanity anymore!). Sickly, thinning hair, grey face, looked like they couldn't fight their way out of a wet paper bag. No, that's not what I want when I get to a "healthy" weight. I actually want to be HEALTHY first and foremost. Yup, the starvation diets in my 20s.... I remember that. Totally ineffective, unsustainable, and UNHEALTHY.0 -
Answer me this.....I have had gastric bypass. My surgeon and the dietician have instructed me to eat 700-1000 calories. I usually do 600-800. I walk daily and loss a pound almost every other day. Yes, I take a multi-vit twice a day, Calcium + Vit D three times a day, B-1 and B-12 once a day.
Yes, I have hit platques from time to time but it never lasts for long. I usually up my calories or increase my walking. I am in the best health I have EVER been in.
So eating low calories is expectable...but I would suggest you do it under the supervision of doctor. The first 3 months after surgery I see the surgeon and dietician once a month. After 3 months I see them every 3 months till I am 18 months post op...then it is every 6.0 -
The thing about this whole topic that gets me is that it seems like no matter how big or small you are, how much you want to lose or gain it's always 1200, like that's a magic number or something. We are all different and I think in the end I'm going to pay attention to my body and whether its telling me 'thirsty', 'hungry', 'stuffed' etc. Sometimes I come in under 1200 but my stomach is so full that I can't even drink anymore water. I just think that in the end it's what you're body needs, not a number on the computer screen. I actually today have only logged 800 some, yesterday was closer to 1500 in the end (bedtime snack did that one). If I'm hungry, like stomach growling and grouchy, I'm gonna eat, if I'm full I'm not gonna force anymore down and it happens, especially when I have eaten fresh veggies and fruits all day (at least I got the nutrients). This whole thing to me is about learning to not overeat and know what my body is telling me.
On a sidenote: I do want to say I understand that 600 calories a day for a straight period of time is going to destroy your body, maybe that is what this it aimed at instead. I just wanted to say what I had on my mind.0 -
watch this blog, I implore you. it's everything I've been preaching for the last 5 years.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QHHzie6XRGk
at 4' 11" i eat somewhere around 1200 (i say somewhere because sometimes it's higher - never lower) AFTER exercising and i'm plenty full. how can anyone survive on 600 calories a day???? seriously can you survive on that little amount?0 -
Answer me this.....I have had gastric bypass. My surgeon and the dietician have instructed me to eat 700-1000 calories. I usually do 600-800. I walk daily and loss a pound almost every other day. Yes, I take a multi-vit twice a day, Calcium + Vit D three times a day, B-1 and B-12 once a day.
Yes, I have hit platques from time to time but it never lasts for long. I usually up my calories or increase my walking. I am in the best health I have EVER been in.
So eating low calories is expectable...but I would suggest you do it under the supervision of doctor. The first 3 months after surgery I see the surgeon and dietician once a month. After 3 months I see them every 3 months till I am 18 months post op...then it is every 6.
Surgery is a special case, you can't compare your situation to someone without it. It's a whole different ball of wax.0 -
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Answer me this.....I have had gastric bypass. My surgeon and the dietician have instructed me to eat 700-1000 calories. I usually do 600-800. I walk daily and loss a pound almost every other day. Yes, I take a multi-vit twice a day, Calcium + Vit D three times a day, B-1 and B-12 once a day.
Yes, I have hit platques from time to time but it never lasts for long. I usually up my calories or increase my walking. I am in the best health I have EVER been in.
So eating low calories is expectable...but I would suggest you do it under the supervision of doctor. The first 3 months after surgery I see the surgeon and dietician once a month. After 3 months I see them every 3 months till I am 18 months post op...then it is every 6.
Surgery is a special case, you can't compare your situation to someone without it. It's a whole different ball of wax.
But if it works for a gastric bypass patient why does it not work for anyone else.0 -
Half of these "rebuttals" would make my collegiate debate coach fall on the floor writhing in frustration. Some of you leap to ludicrousness and the land of improbable to say the video is wrong.
To the OP, you can't save people who don't want to be saved. You posted a good video. Apparently have a PhD means nothing. That poor man, all that work and money for a degree just wasted <eye roll>0 -
watch this blog, I implore you. it's everything I've been preaching for the last 5 years.http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QHHzie6XRGk
at 4' 11" i eat somewhere around 1200 (i say somewhere because sometimes it's higher - never lower) AFTER exercising and i'm plenty full. how can anyone survive on 600 calories a day???? seriously can you survive on that little amount?
It depends how long you do it for and what you consider "survive". A few days probably won't do much harm. A few months could, but some might be lucky. Years though....yikes.
I'm 4'11" and when I was 16 - 17 years old, I ate 600 - 1000 calories a day for two years, got down to a BMI of 10.7 (53 lbs), nearly died. Fun times.0 -
First, THANK YOU! So refreshing to see validation in what I am doing.
Secondly, to all of the critics, I was not, and will never be a bodybuilder/fitness model. I was just a regular person who wanted to lose weight. A few years ago I was just like the person he describes in the video - constantly eating less and less calories and doing crazy amounts of cardio. By the end I was eating about 800 calories/day and burning at least 1000 calories/day doing 2-3 hours of cardio. It was torture, and at 5'3 148 pounds I was barely maintaining, let alone losing any weight.
Fast forward a few years and binge/diet cycles, I have finally kicked the habit of 1200 calories a day. I recently started eating 1700 calories, and incorporating p90x (I eat back about half of my exercise calories). Now I did it "the wrong way" and jumped right up to it, and to my amazement I have lost 4 pounds in the past 3 weeks doing this. Since I only have about 10 more pounds to lose this is huge for me. And, I'm never hungry, never tired, never too drained to get through a workout. It really is a much better way to live.
Try it. If you aren't losing as it is you have nothing to lose right?0 -
ABANDON THREAD!!
(ETA: Thank you to the OP for this video! :flowerforyou: )0 -
Answer me this.....I have had gastric bypass. My surgeon and the dietician have instructed me to eat 700-1000 calories. I usually do 600-800. I walk daily and loss a pound almost every other day. Yes, I take a multi-vit twice a day, Calcium + Vit D three times a day, B-1 and B-12 once a day.
Yes, I have hit platques from time to time but it never lasts for long. I usually up my calories or increase my walking. I am in the best health I have EVER been in.
So eating low calories is expectable...but I would suggest you do it under the supervision of doctor. The first 3 months after surgery I see the surgeon and dietician once a month. After 3 months I see them every 3 months till I am 18 months post op...then it is every 6.
Surgery is a special case, you can't compare your situation to someone without it. It's a whole different ball of wax.
But if it works for a gastric bypass patient why does it not work for anyone else.
because these people are on a rigorous program with consequences that can be devastating if they don't follow them, with constant monitoring by health care professionals, blood work to confirm they aren't to low on micro-nutrients, and generally have a larger than normal volume of fat to draw from. Most people don't have the discipline to do this on their own. Even when used in a professional setting, the volume of lean mass lost is high, it's just not the normally recommended safe way to lose weight.
This doesn't take into account the secondary tasks needed to be successful with WLS which includes follow up, a complete change and continued monitoring and altering of diet for months and sometimes years, and the dangers involved with surgery. Your doctor should have gone over all this with you though, and explained why these nutrition practices shouldn't be attempted without proper medical supervision.
I'm talking about something that is much easier to integrate into a permanent lifestyle without making drastic changes. Sure it takes longer than crash diets do, but it's sustainable, and a much safer path to real maintenance.0 -
Answer me this.....I have had gastric bypass. My surgeon and the dietician have instructed me to eat 700-1000 calories. I usually do 600-800. I walk daily and loss a pound almost every other day. Yes, I take a multi-vit twice a day, Calcium + Vit D three times a day, B-1 and B-12 once a day.
Yes, I have hit platques from time to time but it never lasts for long. I usually up my calories or increase my walking. I am in the best health I have EVER been in.
So eating low calories is expectable...but I would suggest you do it under the supervision of doctor. The first 3 months after surgery I see the surgeon and dietician once a month. After 3 months I see them every 3 months till I am 18 months post op...then it is every 6.
Surgery is a special case, you can't compare your situation to someone without it. It's a whole different ball of wax.
But if it works for a gastric bypass patient why does it not work for anyone else.
To expand on SHBoss, in many cases, WLS doesn't work. How many times do you hear about people losing 100lbs+ doing gastric and then gain it back? It's only "successful" when one learns how to eat. The issue that many of us have with WLS is the amount of lean body mass. And when you lose upto 50% of your weight loss from muscle, for me personally, i wouldn't call that a huge success. Are you healthier today at 100 lbs down, heck yea but unless you learn how to eat, then you will gain it all back at some point. And you will gain it back faster and more likely gain more back. When you lose muscle, you slow down your metabolic rate so it takes a lot less calories to gain back. This is also the same reason diets do NOT work. They are all based on extreme calorie restriction, so you lose a lot of muscle, which is why you gain back so easily.0 -
just for the record, my wife is currently going through this. And like many of the people who have confirmed this isn't just a body builder thing, she also cannot lose weight even though she eats very clean, and exercises HARD every day (harder than me, and that's saying something). She was on a 2400 calorie diet after struggling her whole life with her weight. She is currently about 197 and hasn't moved in about a year weight wise. She went up from 1800 calories about 6 months ago, not a pound one way or the other. I suggested she go up and she did (apparently not enough). She was so frustrated that I suggested she go see a registered dietitian, she did, yesterday.
The dietitian (mind you, this is a professional in nutrition with years of experience, thousands of clients, and a college 6 year degree in nutritional science) confirmed the video is accurate (we emailed it to her on Monday, she's awesome by the way), and after having a long conversation with my wife and doing the numbers for her, told her she thinks she's not eating anywhere near enough and suggested she start with 2650 calories to LOSE 1 lb a week, and we go from there. Please note, my wife is not on MFP and doesn't follow the eating exercise calories function, so her base calories are based on TDEE plus average daily exercise, don't ask why she's not on here, it's a separation of church and state thing, we don't want to fight about stuff so I stay out of her weight loss when ever possible, and she stays out of my mentoring.
I'm not just talking out of my *kitten* people, these are real professionals I'm giving you, not some weight loss guru or surgery program out to make a quick buck off desperate people.
Think about this before you comment. I have no stake in this game, I don't gain, or lose if you fail, I make no money off your success or failure. I'm already at my maintenance. My main motivating factor is my wife, and helping others because I love it. I am lucky enough to have a science background and a passion for nutrition, thus I can do my research and read scientific studies and understand all the jargon that they spout. I like passing this information on. If you don't like the results, no problem, but at least show me some science behind your reasoning if you want to debate it.
And no, saying "it doesn't work for me" doesn't cut it. I don't know your situation, I don't know if you've followed a correct path, I don't know your medical conditions, and I don't know if you're even who you say you are. I provide links to professionals and science to back my thoughts up, if you can't do so, then I don't really care about your opinion that much. No offense but unless you have a degree in a nutrition related field, or can provide proof that what you are saying has real merit for the rest of us, I'm not interested.0 -
Lol at the people pulling the 'A PhD doesn't mean you know anything' out of the bag. O'rly? You know more than someone who spen at least 3 years exclusively studying that topic? Please. Spare me. In all likelihood the 1200 calories a day wouldn't provide you with the brain function to complete a PhD, so get off your beef horses.
I'm 5ft2, female. I spent a couple of years on 1200 calories,doing crazy *kitten* cardio. Did my body change? Did it hell, and I was tired, a lot.
I no longer count calories, I eat well, I lift heavy. My body composition has changed more in the past 6 months than it did in 2 years. If people want to eat bugger all and think its a magical fix, go ahead. No-ones demonising you, its just being suggested that you could see the same results by NOT eating that little.0 -
Lol at the people pulling the 'A PhD doesn't mean you know anything' out of the bag. O'rly? You know more than someone who spen at least 3 years exclusively studying that topic? Please. Spare me. In all likelihood the 1200 calories a day wouldn't provide you with the brain function to complete a PhD, so get off your beef horses.
I'm 5ft2, female. I spent a couple of years on 1200 calories,doing crazy *kitten* cardio. Did my body change? Did it hell, and I was tired, a lot.
I no longer count calories, I eat well, I lift heavy. My body composition has changed more in the past 6 months than it did in 2 years. If people want to eat bugger all and think its a magical fix, go ahead. No-ones demonising you, its just being suggested that you could see the same results by NOT eating that little.
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Those in the know generally say don't do 600-1200 calories.
For those who say my Dr said... every Dr i've had has admitted I know far more about my body, nutrition than them. GP's are just that, GENERAL practitioners. They are not medically skilled in the way of given a detailed diet in the way you'd want.
1200 will NOT kill you. Its not going to make you sick. It WILL for most people make you lean body mass levels drop and you WILL find it MUCH easier to put the weight back on.
Thats why 90% of dieters do within the first year (will grab the studies showing this if you care) will put the weight back on - they go on a diet they cannot sustain and go back to old eating methods for either hunger comfort or both.
Learn to eat at amount that will be sustainable and you will lose the weight and keep it off. Always diet on as many calories as you can, not as few as possible.
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Hey!
January is coming!
It's going to snow on MFP with thousands of unique snowflakes!
I expect 1000s of "1200calorie" threads.
For the ones who attempt the "1200calories/day" I expect to see 1000s of threads in say March that start with
"1200cals and not losing!!!"
"1200calores and plateau"
"help!!! Not losing!"0 -
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A great video, thanks!
I don't eat that low, as I lose on 2300-2500 a day. It was still interesting to listen to though
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Answer me this.....I have had gastric bypass. My surgeon and the dietician have instructed me to eat 700-1000 calories. I usually do 600-800. I walk daily and loss a pound almost every other day. Yes, I take a multi-vit twice a day, Calcium + Vit D three times a day, B-1 and B-12 once a day.
Yes, I have hit platques from time to time but it never lasts for long. I usually up my calories or increase my walking. I am in the best health I have EVER been in.
So eating low calories is expectable...but I would suggest you do it under the supervision of doctor. The first 3 months after surgery I see the surgeon and dietician once a month. After 3 months I see them every 3 months till I am 18 months post op...then it is every 6.
Surgery is a special case, you can't compare your situation to someone without it. It's a whole different ball of wax.
But if it works for a gastric bypass patient why does it not work for anyone else.
Whoa whoa whoa.... Chemotherapy works for some cancer patients, does that mean people without cancer should also take it? Of course not.
I am not a body builder. I have a desk job -- I just work out regularly. For me, I will lose weight eating 1500 - 1600 calories per day. Maintenance is around 1900. I'm 5'4 and weigh 130lbs. If I put into MFP that I want to lose 2lbs a week, it won't say "Hey, you don't need to lose weight, and certainly not at that rate," it will just drop my recommended calories down to 1200 a day and tell me how many extra calories to burn during the week. Their calorie calculator is just that -- a calculator. It does not recommend what is best for your body or health, it just tells you mathematically how you can lose the weight you want to.
Many of the women I see on here eating 1200 cals per day or less are usually somewhere around my height and weight. 1200 calories per day is just not enough for our stats. And not to sound like an a**hole, but I usually have a better physique than them, so maybe they should take that into consideration.0 -
just for the record, my wife is currently going through this. And like many of the people who have confirmed this isn't just a body builder thing, she also cannot lose weight even though she eats very clean, and exercises HARD every day (harder than me, and that's saying something). She was on a 2400 calorie diet after struggling her whole life with her weight. She is currently about 197 and hasn't moved in about a year weight wise. She went up from 1800 calories about 6 months ago, not a pound one way or the other. I suggested she go up and she did (apparently not enough). She was so frustrated that I suggested she go see a registered dietitian, she did, yesterday.
wowza - this sounds like me! i lost about 20 pounds easy-peasy, but then just quit. still worked out and ate well, generally between 1600 and 2000 calories per day, but i just froze up - right around 197 for me, too. well, after a year of this i fell of the bandwagon for several months - luckily i haven't put on much weight (maybe a pound or two), but i feel like i'm getting soft. so now i'm back in the game, but i'm not working out like i was - only about four days a week for an hour vs. five days a week for 90+ minutes (cardio and weight training), so mabye if i keep my calories up i that range with the decreased workout regimen, i'll see some results.
but at this point, even if i'm not losing weight, i'd rather keep my muskels, so hopefully i won't fall off for so long again! thanks for all this!0
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