Do u think Tebow is getting the shaft?
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Yes TEBOW got shafted in a major way! He went from being a starting QB to being benched for 90% of the season. I hear he is possibly going to Jacksonville, so maybe he can get a new start there because as long as he's with the Jets his talent will be wasted.0
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Here is my view on Tebow.
He's a damn fine football player and has more integrity and drive than most of the players in the league. I think he has potential to be a good QB if given the chance to refine his game. Look at Aaron Rogers. He spent years as the back up for Favre and now is one of the top QB's to ever play the game. Only problem is, that he needs to go to a team as a back up on a team that has a very solid Veteran QB that would never ever be booed off the field.
The one truly exceptional thing that Tebow has is the ability to make those around him play better. Need Proof...2011 Broncos. I don't think anyone could argue that Kyle Orton is a better prototypical pocket passer than Tim Tebow, but orton was 1-4 when Tebow took over, and then they ended that season in the playoffs. No matter his stats...that team played better with Tebow as the QB
Patriots, Broncos, Packers, Saints, and Steelers are the teams that come to mind right now and of all of them I think the Steelers have an offense that fits him the best because Big Ben is a scrambling QB as well and the Steelers need to replace their two backups (Batch is excellent, but old...Leftwich hasn't finished a game with the Steelers without being injured)
The Last thing Tebow needs is to go to another team that will use him as a ticket seller or gadget player because then he will not have a chance to develop.0 -
dude is a virgin he aint getting or giving any shaft...:laugh:0
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I wish he could give me the shaft.0
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I am firmly in the Tebow camp...IDK f he could ever be a good QB, but Rex totally hosed him and he deserved a shot.
If he were a good QB he would have gotten a shot. He is not so is he 3rd string. Nothing different than any other depth chart in the NFL plain and simple. Just so happens this guy happens to be a bible thumper so people push more for him to get into a game and drag his team down.
This is coming from a Broncos fan who watched Tebow play every game last season.0 -
I am firmly in the Tebow camp...IDK f he could ever be a good QB, but Rex totally hosed him and he deserved a shot.
If he were a good QB he would have gotten a shot. He is not so is he 3rd string. Nothing different than any other depth chart in the NFL plain and simple. Just so happens this guy happens to be a bible thumper so people push more for him to get into a game and drag his team down.
This is coming from a Broncos fan who watched Tebow play every game last season.
i doubt anyone could say it better.0 -
I think that Rex Ryan has no intentions of ever playing Tim Tebow unless he's instructed to by the GM or owner. That being the case, I hope Tim lands on a team for next season where he gets a fair chance to prove himself.
I totally agree with this statement. I cannot stand Rex Ryan, and think the there was NEVER any intention. He was brought on the team for his PR star power, not his talent. I also think that the ESPN reporters were just waiting to pounce on him. IMO the guy is just a good, decent guy. Much better than some of the other players (and coaches).
Is he the next great QB? Probably not, but he could be! Won't know unless he is given a chance.0 -
Living in Jacksonville, I can definitely say he has an incredible fan base here. Not sure how he would perform but he would definitely drive up some ticket & merchandise sales!0
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Bring Tebow to Tampa..... his fan base is big and lord knows we need a better quarterback and someone who can sell tickets.....0
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With all due respect if you don't see it then it is likely your bias. The guy literally wears it on his face. Believe me I'm equally annoyed with the "god gave us the win" comments by other players and coaches. but these other people generally aren't as in your face and annoying. God has nothing to do with football. Using your mythology as a way to become a spectacle especially in an effort to advance one's career is deplorable. Advance by your talent and merits.I'd be happy to never hear his name ever again. He's such a horribly judgemental self-righteous human being. As a player he's overrated.
you are projecting your own biases. i don't think you could find a single quote of anything judgemental or self-righteous he's ever said as the QB at Florida, Denver, or NY.0 -
I think that Rex Ryan has no intentions of ever playing Tim Tebow unless he's instructed to by the GM or owner. That being the case, I hope Tim lands on a team for next season where he gets a fair chance to prove himself.
Is he the next great QB? Probably not, but he could be! Won't know unless he is given a chance.
No, he is not. We all saw that last year.0 -
The thing that I don't understand is, why did the Jets even bother? They gave up a good chunk to get him, then buried him on the bench. I think it was easy for him to be positive in the beginning, feeling like "this team really wants me here and is going to give me a shot." It seems like maybe the Jets thought they'd pick up Tebow, Sanchez would perform and they'd flip him for another asset down the line? Except then.. .Sanchez failed to perform (to the point where butt fumble is one of the most recurring gifs on the web right now) and the Jets didn't know what to do with Tebow... so they went with their third string... who also didn't perform, and got hurt... so then the Jets go back to Sanchez... because they've made it abundantly clear they do not want Tebow throwing the ball at all...
So, yah, I think Tebow got the shaft... I agree that he's no Mannnig (Eli/Peyton) or Brees or... crap... he's not even Collin Kapernick... but he deserves an honest shot.0 -
Oh and to add ESPN rave on Josh Freeman but everyone else see how awful he is. so i dont pay attention to what the reports have to say..... if the right person worked with Tebow he will one day be a great quarterback0
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Tebow is no Kyle Orton or Peyton Manning... but he is someone... somewhere (over the rainbow)0
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Quite the tolerant attitude there. :huh:
With all due respect if you don't see it then it is likely your bias. The guy literally wears it on his face. Believe me I'm equally annoyed with the "god gave us the win" comments by other players and coaches. but these other people generally aren't as in your face and annoying. God has nothing to do with football. Using your mythology as a way to become a spectacle especially in an effort to advance one's career is deplorable. Advance by your talent and merits.
you are projecting your own biases. i don't think you could find a single quote of anything judgemental or self-righteous he's ever said as the QB at Florida, Denver, or NY.I'd be happy to never hear his name ever again. He's such a horribly judgemental self-righteous human being. As a player he's overrated.
Who gives a rat's *kitten* if he has a scriptural reference on his face? Is he hurting anyone?
God might have nothing to do with football, but the game is played by human beings -- human beings with beliefs and opinions they are free to express. if you're looking for a sterile sport with little to no individual personality, watch polo.
Also, pray tell -- how has Tebow's personal beliefs advanced his football career?0 -
The Jets thought they could use Tebow in the wild Cat offense but that never paned out because other Defense played them a lot different this year, . Besides they were never able to get anything going on offense.
Tebow should play full back or tight end , He's not a QB ......0 -
Oh and to add ESPN rave on Josh Freeman but everyone else see how awful he is. so i dont pay attention to what the reports have to say..... if the right person worked with Tebow he will one day be a great quarterback
very very doubtful. great QBs dont usually need to work with anyone.0 -
Josh Freeman is a pretty decent QB.Oh and to add ESPN rave on Josh Freeman but everyone else see how awful he is. so i dont pay attention to what the reports have to say..... if the right person worked with Tebow he will one day be a great quarterback
He's better than Stafford, imo.0 -
With all due respect if you don't see it then it is likely your bias. The guy literally wears it on his face. Believe me I'm equally annoyed with the "god gave us the win" comments by other players and coaches. but these other people generally aren't as in your face and annoying. God has nothing to do with football. Using your mythology as a way to become a spectacle especially in an effort to advance one's career is deplorable. Advance by your talent and merits.I'd be happy to never hear his name ever again. He's such a horribly judgemental self-righteous human being. As a player he's overrated.
you are projecting your own biases. i don't think you could find a single quote of anything judgemental or self-righteous he's ever said as the QB at Florida, Denver, or NY.
you seem to be the poster child for those who hate him because they hate Christianity (or mythology as you refer to it). it's a free country, you can believe what you want about Tebow. but you accused him of being judgemental and self-righteous. in a court of law, you'd have to prove that. i don't think you can. i'm not an evangelical myself, but the guy's whole life has been about living by the code he believes in. that includes missionary work in the Philippines where's he's helped build a hospital, and also spending time and visiting with sick kids in Hospitals all over Florida, Colorado, and NY. if that makes him bad, then we need more bad people in this world.
also, he is in the NFL because of his talent and merit. the kid won 2 national championships in college (1 as the starter) and the Heisman Trophy. he was evaluated at the combine and drafted. the only knock on him being drafted by ANYBODY is that many thought he'd be a 2nd round pick instead of a 1st. he was 1-2 as a starter for the Broncos in 2010. he was 7-4 (or 8-5 if you include the playoffs) as a starter in 2011. it's pretty hard to do that if you don't have some amount of talent.0 -
if the right person worked with Tebow he will one day be a great quarterback
Lots of people worked with him. Last year John Elway, hall of famer and superbowl champ, worked with him. It will never happen for Tebow because he will never become an NFL QB. If his ego was not so large he would move to something like split end where he could become a very good player and contribute.
But his ego is too large for all that.... which you saw when he recently refused to run the wildcat.0 -
.He's better than Stafford, imo.
Now you're talking crazy.0 -
Tebow is no Kyle Orton or Peyton Manning... but he is someone... somewhere (over the rainbow)
Wow! Not sure if Kyle Orton's name should ever be used in the same sentence as Peyton Manning...0 -
also, he is in the NFL because of his talent and merit. the kid won 2 national championships in college (1 as the starter) and the Heisman Trophy. he was evaluated at the combine and drafted. the only knock on him being drafted by ANYBODY is that many thought he'd be a 2nd round pick instead of a 1st. he was 1-2 as a starter for the Broncos in 2010. he was 7-4 (or 8-5 if you include the playoffs) as a starter in 2011. it's pretty hard to do that if you don't have some amount of talent.
No, it's really not that hard. He was on a great team.. the same team that has won 10 straight this year. The Broncos made the playoffs despite Tebow, not because of him.
The Ravens won a Superbowl with Trent DIlfer... so that let's you know that a team can win without having a superstar.
However, Dilfer was halfway accurate. Tebow is far from that.0 -
I stand by what I said. Stafford is the perfect QB.... if you all you wanted from your QB was to play a pass game to 1 receiver every game. I can see why Detroit would want that with Megatron but Freeman is a more effective QB and didn't rely on V. Jax to pad his stats..He's better than Stafford, imo.
Now you're talking crazy.0 -
also, he is in the NFL because of his talent and merit. the kid won 2 national championships in college (1 as the starter) and the Heisman Trophy. he was evaluated at the combine and drafted. the only knock on him being drafted by ANYBODY is that many thought he'd be a 2nd round pick instead of a 1st. he was 1-2 as a starter for the Broncos in 2010. he was 7-4 (or 8-5 if you include the playoffs) as a starter in 2011. it's pretty hard to do that if you don't have some amount of talent.
No, it's really not that hard. He was on a great team.. the same team that has won 10 straight this year. The Broncos made the playoffs despite Tebow, not because of him.
The Ravens won a Superbowl with Trent DIlfer... so that let's you know that a team can win without having a superstar.
However, Dilfer was halfway accurate. Tebow is far from that.
the Broncos were 1-4 with Orton in 2011. they were 4-12 the year before. they were NOT a great team last year. i'm a lifelong Broncos fan and know football and the team much better than a casual fan. Manning is the difference here this year. it's more than just being the QB. he's brought a level of accountability to the younger players that only comes from playing alongside a perfectionist like him who has a career that makes him a 1st vote HOF'er.
there was no place here for Tebow once Elway got Manning. it made no sense for the team or for Tebow. but Tebow could have a spot in this league running a hybrid offense. that offense is already starting to show up a bit in some NFL cities. he just needs to become a better pocket passer and he needs to fix some of his mechanics, but you can still prosper in this league with poor mechanics (see Rivers in SD for example). i didn't know much about Tebow before he was drafted, and don't really follow him now that's he's gone, but he is a good kid and i'd like to see him do well. it was just never going to work for him in NY with Ryan. Ryan is tied to the hip with Sanchez. Tebow never had a chance to be anything more than an occasional gimmick player there.0 -
He only didn't have to rely on Action Jackson because he had Mike Williams on the other side who was not getting the double teams Jackson was. Give Stafford a WR on the other side of Megatron that is of the quality of Mike Williams and Stafford will blow Freeman out of the water. Not to mention Det doesn't have near the running game that Tampa has which takes further pressure off Freeman.
I stand by what I said. Stafford is the perfect QB.... if you all you wanted from your QB was to play a pass game to 1 receiver every game. I can see why Detroit would want that with Megatron but Freeman is a more effective QB and didn't rely on V. Jax to pad his stats..He's better than Stafford, imo.
Now you're talking crazy.0 -
Because he engages in spectacle. By doing this he has garnered some notoriety based on spectacle more than talent. This would be fine for an entertainer but he's an athlete. I could care less about people's mythological beliefs. Since they are personal it would be best if folks would generally keep those things to themselves.
Quite the tolerant attitude there. :huh:
With all due respect if you don't see it then it is likely your bias. The guy literally wears it on his face. Believe me I'm equally annoyed with the "god gave us the win" comments by other players and coaches. but these other people generally aren't as in your face and annoying. God has nothing to do with football. Using your mythology as a way to become a spectacle especially in an effort to advance one's career is deplorable. Advance by your talent and merits.
you are projecting your own biases. i don't think you could find a single quote of anything judgemental or self-righteous he's ever said as the QB at Florida, Denver, or NY.I'd be happy to never hear his name ever again. He's such a horribly judgemental self-righteous human being. As a player he's overrated.
Who gives a rat's *kitten* if he has a scriptural reference on his face? Is he hurting anyone?
God might have nothing to do with football, but the game is played by human beings -- human beings with beliefs and opinions they are free to express. if you're looking for a sterile sport with little to no individual personality, watch polo.
Also, pray tell -- how has Tebow's personal beliefs advanced his football career?0 -
Matt stafford= Stat Padford0
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also, he is in the NFL because of his talent and merit. the kid won 2 national championships in college (1 as the starter) and the Heisman Trophy. he was evaluated at the combine and drafted. the only knock on him being drafted by ANYBODY is that many thought he'd be a 2nd round pick instead of a 1st. he was 1-2 as a starter for the Broncos in 2010. he was 7-4 (or 8-5 if you include the playoffs) as a starter in 2011. it's pretty hard to do that if you don't have some amount of talent.
No, it's really not that hard. He was on a great team.. the same team that has won 10 straight this year. The Broncos made the playoffs despite Tebow, not because of him.
The Ravens won a Superbowl with Trent DIlfer... so that let's you know that a team can win without having a superstar.
However, Dilfer was halfway accurate. Tebow is far from that.
the Broncos were 1-4 with Orton in 2011. they were 4-12 the year before. they were NOT a great team last year. i'm a lifelong Broncos fan and know football and the team much better than a casual fan. Manning is the difference here this year. it's more than just being the QB. he's brought a level of accountability to the younger players that only comes from playing alongside a perfectionist like him who has a career that makes him a 1st vote HOF'er.
there was no place here for Tebow once Elway got Manning. it made no sense for the team or for Tebow. but Tebow could have a spot in this league running a hybrid offense. that offense is already starting to show up a bit in some NFL cities. he just needs to become a better pocket passer and he needs to fix some of his mechanics, but you can still prosper in this league with poor mechanics (see Rivers in SD for example). i didn't know much about Tebow before he was drafted, and don't really follow him now that's he's gone, but he is a good kid and i'd like to see him do well. it was just never going to work for him in NY with Ryan. Ryan is tied to the hip with Sanchez. Tebow never had a chance to be anything more than an occasional gimmick player there.
Not a great team ? That is the same team on the field this year that was on last year but with one huge upgrade: a REAL qb. That defense was great last year ( which is how they got into the playoffs) and it's great this year.0 -
Perhaps you haven't noticed the scores of other athletes (now and over the years) with scriptural references on their person, or that kneel in prayer or cross themselves on the field of play. What's happened is that the media has put this man's personal beliefs and off-field activities into the spotlight. He has not done it himself.Because he engages in spectacle. By doing this he has garnered some notoriety based on spectacle more than talent. This would be fine for an entertainer but he's an athlete.
Do you get bent out of shape by other athletes that spike the ball, dance or participate in other "spectacle"? Again, stick to polo or cricket if you want a lack of personal expression from the participants.
Apparently not.I could care less about people's mythological beliefs.
What other forms of expression would you like to see suppressed? :huh: Is it hurting you or anyone else in some way?Since they are personal it would be best if folks would generally keep those things to themselves.0
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