An Argument Against Fast Food
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Unfortunately, most foods in the average North American's diet require almost as much energy to assimilate as they contain, because while they are high in calories, they are low in nutrients.
Essentially the point is this: because fast food is not nutritionally dense, your body has to work harder to get fewer nutrients, which is a WASTE of energy. Energy that could otherwise be used on anything from recovery - which would allow you to train harder and more often - to mental energy, to just feeling better in your day to day life.
Both of these ideas are false. But let's imagine to a minute that the average NA diet DID require almost as much energy to assimilate as they contain....
Imagine a nation of undernourished, underfed people. On the average.
Basic idea just doesn't hold water.
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You missed his previous posts and his refusal to consider published, peer reviewed scientific articles as refutation of his drivel. Well that and I'm feeling oh so sluggish from the Taco Bell I ate last night.
Take a dump then, and drink some water. You'll feel better. Also, I don't know what kind of pecking party this community has turned into, but I read each post individually without judging it based on who posted it. People have lots of opinions, that doesn't mean that you have to either believe them all or believe none.0 -
Reddy...just give up the ghost, man. Every time you post some crap about how EEEEEVIL fast food is, or you hop on the anti-FF wagon, you're just going to get pwned by people that have been here longer, have had mad success, and that people listen to.
A for effort, though.0 -
Actually the OP seems to believe that any processed food (french bread) is a no-no. It's just another yawn-worthy clean eating pamphlet .
Well gee whillickers, maybe people keep talking about clean eating because it actually has some merit to it! Golly. I eat wheat bread instead of white, because if I'm going to have a sandwich, I'd rather have one that fills me up and gives me nutrients, rather than empty calories. How is this a difficult call? Obviously, everything in moderation, but why is everyone so eager to dismiss an advocate of eating healthy, unprocessed foods as "yawn-worthy"? This is why we're fat, people!! Lol.
Please don't use "we" like that. Most of the people here arguing against the drivel are not anywhere near fat. And that's exactly the point. You can include a small amount of cheat meals that involve fast food and it will not affect your progress. In some ways it may actually help your progress because its easier to follow for a lifetime, as opposed to yo-yoing from strict "clean" eating to binging as so many people do.0 -
Unfortunately, most foods in the average North American's diet require almost as much energy to assimilate as they contain, because while they are high in calories, they are low in nutrients.
Essentially the point is this: because fast food is not nutritionally dense, your body has to work harder to get fewer nutrients, which is a WASTE of energy. Energy that could otherwise be used on anything from recovery - which would allow you to train harder and more often - to mental energy, to just feeling better in your day to day life.
Both of these ideas are false. But let's imagine to a minute that the average NA diet DID require almost as much energy to assimilate as they contain....
Imagine a nation of undernourished, underfed people. On the average.
Basic idea just doesn't hold water.
actually while i get how you came to that - you're missing the point that when a body is undernourished, the brain continues to signal that it's "hungry" even if the stomach is full. this is what causes people who tend to eat a lot of processed foods to keep eating MORE than they should. The body eventually gets the nutrients, but only because they've overeaten. Thus the obesity epidemic in the US.0 -
Actually the OP seems to believe that any processed food (french bread) is a no-no. It's just another yawn-worthy clean eating pamphlet .
Well gee whillickers, maybe people keep talking about clean eating because it actually has some merit to it! Golly. I eat wheat bread instead of white, because if I'm going to have a sandwich, I'd rather have one that fills me up and gives me nutrients, rather than empty calories. How is this a difficult call? Obviously, everything in moderation, but why is everyone so eager to dismiss an advocate of eating healthy, unprocessed foods as "yawn-worthy"? This is why we're fat, people!! Lol.
Well golly, it's way in which he's doing it. His posts seems disingenuous at best. He starts off saying how he's really talking about a elite performance. Pardon me if I don't believe that elite athletes really give a snot about avoiding french bread..unless they don't like it of course.0 -
Actually the OP seems to believe that any processed food (french bread) is a no-no. It's just another yawn-worthy clean eating pamphlet .
Well gee whillickers, maybe people keep talking about clean eating because it actually has some merit to it! Golly. I eat wheat bread instead of white, because if I'm going to have a sandwich, I'd rather have one that fills me up and gives me nutrients, rather than empty calories. How is this a difficult call? Obviously, everything in moderation, but why is everyone so eager to dismiss an advocate of eating healthy, unprocessed foods as "yawn-worthy"? This is why we're fat, people!! Lol.
No. We are fat because we ate at a caloric surplus. The food (regardless of type) didn't just jump in our mouths and crawl down our throats.
We overate, etc. A lot of people also have a tendency to do the stress/bored/emotional eating. Some people have issues recognizing portion control, etc. And some people just didn't educate themselves to realize that they can't eat 3000 calories and be 150 lbs with no exercise. The point is - it's "OUR" fault..not the food industry, the food itself, or the people in our lives. There is a time we should start taking accountability for our own actions.
ETA: Not everyone using MFP is trying to lose weight. That's why it is My FITNESS Pal.0 -
You missed his previous posts and his refusal to consider published, peer reviewed scientific articles as refutation of his drivel. Well that and I'm feeling oh so sluggish from the Taco Bell I ate last night.
Take a dump then, and drink some water. You'll feel better. Also, I don't know what kind of pecking party this community has turned into, but I read each post individually without judging it based on who posted it. People have lots of opinions, that doesn't mean that you have to either believe them all or believe none.
This isn't opinion. Its science yo. And no, I'm not bloated. That was sarcasm.0 -
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Actually the OP seems to believe that any processed food (french bread) is a no-no. It's just another yawn-worthy clean eating pamphlet .
Well gee whillickers, maybe people keep talking about clean eating because it actually has some merit to it! Golly. I eat wheat bread instead of white, because if I'm going to have a sandwich, I'd rather have one that fills me up and gives me nutrients, rather than empty calories. How is this a difficult call? Obviously, everything in moderation, but why is everyone so eager to dismiss an advocate of eating healthy, unprocessed foods as "yawn-worthy"? This is why we're fat, people!! Lol.
Please don't use "we" like that. Most of the people here arguing against the drivel are not anywhere near fat. And that's exactly the point. You can include a small amount of cheat meals that involve fast food and it will not affect your progress. In some ways it may actually help your progress because its easier to follow for a lifetime, as opposed to yo-yoing from strict "clean" eating to binging as so many people do.
Please don't use "as so many people do" like that, then. Not everyone is a yo-yo dieter or a binge eater. And when you say a small amount of cheat meals, you mean like, once a week? Twice a month? Somewhere in there, right? Because again, there is nothing in OP's post (THIS post) that says fast food should never be eaten ever even on special occasions. You're all seeing reasons to argue that aren't actually there.0 -
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Today one of our major supermarkets here in the UK was found to be selling own brand beefburgers which appears to contain up to 39% horse meat. I'd rather not eat that hence my need to buy, prepare and cook 'proper' foods, they don't have to be organic just good honest fresh foods....0
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No. We are fat because we ate at a caloric surplus. The food (regardless of type) didn't just jump in our mouths and crawl down our throats.
We overate, etc. A lot of people also have a tendency to do the stress/bored/emotional eating. Some people have issues recognizing portion control, etc. And some people just didn't educate themselves to realize that they can't eat 3000 calories and be 150 lbs with no exercise. The point is - it's "OUR" fault..not the food industry, the food itself, or the people in our lives. There is a time we should start taking accountability for our own actions.
ETA: Not everyone using MFP is trying to lose weight. That's why it is My FITNESS Pal.
I don't blame fast food for my being overweight. That's an infantile notion. The movie Supersize Me just made me want to eat french fries. But the knee-jerk reaction to DEFEND fast food in the wake of articles explaining why it has little to no nutritional benefit begs the question, why are we so desperate to keep it? Are we really that obsessed with food that we can't let go of the Crunchwrap Supremes and the Big Macs without throwing a temper tantrum at the people criticizing them?0 -
I must have this.
Exactly! Dude, don't you ever get tired of grinding the axe on useless stuff. Anyone with a lick of common sense knows not to make a substantial part of thier intake fast food. If you want to argue about something with such diminshing returns than you are a time wating fool.
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No double-blind clinical comparison = snake oil for wishful people.0 -
Today one of our major supermarkets here in the UK was found to be selling own brand beefburgers which appears to contain up to 39% horse meat. I'd rather not eat that hence my need to buy, prepare and cook 'proper' foods, they don't have to be organic just good honest fresh foods....
I don't know that I'm familiar with horse meat. Is it undesirable in some way? I guess if I liked horses, I wouldn't be all that willing to eat it in the same way that I'm not likely to go for a Golden Retriever burger, but I'd try a horse burger.0 -
All I can say is that I really don't know if this is true or not, only that I have noticed a huge difference between eating "fast foods" and less processed foods. I feel with much more energy, less headaches and steady weight loss.
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Actually the OP seems to believe that any processed food (french bread) is a no-no. It's just another yawn-worthy clean eating pamphlet .
Well gee whillickers, maybe people keep talking about clean eating because it actually has some merit to it! Golly. I eat wheat bread instead of white, because if I'm going to have a sandwich, I'd rather have one that fills me up and gives me nutrients, rather than empty calories. How is this a difficult call? Obviously, everything in moderation, but why is everyone so eager to dismiss an advocate of eating healthy, unprocessed foods as "yawn-worthy"? This is why we're fat, people!! Lol.
Please don't use "we" like that. Most of the people here arguing against the drivel are not anywhere near fat. And that's exactly the point. You can include a small amount of cheat meals that involve fast food and it will not affect your progress. In some ways it may actually help your progress because its easier to follow for a lifetime, as opposed to yo-yoing from strict "clean" eating to binging as so many people do.
Please don't use "as so many people do" like that, then. Not everyone is a yo-yo dieter or a binge eater. And when you say a small amount of cheat meals, you mean like, once a week? Twice a month? Somewhere in there, right? Because again, there is nothing in OP's post (THIS post) that says fast food should never be eaten ever even on special occasions. You're all seeing reasons to argue that aren't actually there.
To point out, the phrase "as so many people do" - doesn't mean everyone.0 -
Where did my quotes go???
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"Please don't use "as so many people do" like that, then. Not everyone is a yo-yo dieter or a binge eater. And when you say a small amount of cheat meals, you mean like, once a week? Twice a month? Somewhere in there, right? Because again, there is nothing in OP's post (THIS post) that says fast food should never be eaten ever even on special occasions. You're all seeing reasons to argue that aren't actually there."
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Just an FYI, some people are continuing a conversation with CoachReddy from other posts that you do not seem to be aware of. I think this is where you may be confused.0 -
No. We are fat because we ate at a caloric surplus. The food (regardless of type) didn't just jump in our mouths and crawl down our throats.
We overate, etc. A lot of people also have a tendency to do the stress/bored/emotional eating. Some people have issues recognizing portion control, etc. And some people just didn't educate themselves to realize that they can't eat 3000 calories and be 150 lbs with no exercise. The point is - it's "OUR" fault..not the food industry, the food itself, or the people in our lives. There is a time we should start taking accountability for our own actions.
ETA: Not everyone using MFP is trying to lose weight. That's why it is My FITNESS Pal.
I don't blame fast food for my being overweight. That's an infantile notion. The movie Supersize Me just made me want to eat french fries. But the knee-jerk reaction to DEFEND fast food in the wake of articles explaining why it has little to no nutritional benefit begs the question, why are we so desperate to keep it? Are we really that obsessed with food that we can't let go of the Crunchwrap Supremes and the Big Macs without throwing a temper tantrum at the people criticizing them?
It's called a discussion. Really, you are the one most upset by people discussing and putting out opposing points.0 -
Today one of our major supermarkets here in the UK was found to be selling own brand beefburgers which appears to contain up to 39% horse meat. I'd rather not eat that hence my need to buy, prepare and cook 'proper' foods, they don't have to be organic just good honest fresh foods....
WOW, I'd like to try that one! Heard it taste like chicken. Nonetheless, great article.0 -
Where did my quotes go???
do [quote*] at the beginning and then [/quote*] at the end, but without the *0 -
To point out, the phrase "as so many people do" - doesn't mean everyone.
So you have a grasp on the English language! Congratulations. Want a medal? He was the one who criticized my generalization first, so I criticized his playfully in return. Obviously generalizations don't apply to every single member of the human race.0 -
It's called a discussion. Really, you are the one most upset by people discussing and putting out opposing points.
there have been two posters giving opposing view points and engaging in discussion. the rest has been trolling.0 -
ETA: Not everyone using MFP is trying to lose weight. That's why it is My FITNESS Pal.
I don't blame fast food for my being overweight. That's an infantile notion. The movie Supersize Me just made me want to eat french fries. But the knee-jerk reaction to DEFEND fast food in the wake of articles explaining why it has little to no nutritional benefit begs the question, why are we so desperate to keep it? Are we really that obsessed with food that we can't let go of the Crunchwrap Supremes and the Big Macs without throwing a temper tantrum at the people criticizing them?
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It's called a discussion. Really, you are the one most upset by people discussing and putting out opposing points.
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Hahahahaha. These forums are a joke for actual discussions, because of you and others like you who sit back and pick out the parts you don't like in people's posts rather than contribute anything useful or open-minded. They're more like a combination of a digital ****-waggling contest and high school locker room gossip.0 -
No. We are fat because we ate at a caloric surplus. The food (regardless of type) didn't just jump in our mouths and crawl down our throats.
We overate, etc. A lot of people also have a tendency to do the stress/bored/emotional eating. Some people have issues recognizing portion control, etc. And some people just didn't educate themselves to realize that they can't eat 3000 calories and be 150 lbs with no exercise. The point is - it's "OUR" fault..not the food industry, the food itself, or the people in our lives. There is a time we should start taking accountability for our own actions.
ETA: Not everyone using MFP is trying to lose weight. That's why it is My FITNESS Pal.
I don't blame fast food for my being overweight. That's an infantile notion. The movie Supersize Me just made me want to eat french fries. But the knee-jerk reaction to DEFEND fast food in the wake of articles explaining why it has little to no nutritional benefit begs the question, why are we so desperate to keep it? Are we really that obsessed with food that we can't let go of the Crunchwrap Supremes and the Big Macs without throwing a temper tantrum at the people criticizing them?
No one is throwing a temper tantrum and this is certainly not a knee jerk reaction. If you want to cut out all fast food then please be my guest. Standing on a soap box claiming that any fast food consumption is bad for you seems a bit much though. Go back and read the OP again, please.0 -
Where did my quotes go???
do [quote*] at the beginning and then [/quote*] at the end, but without the *
Thanks Joylia. I thought I did that but I added a "/" in the first one 0 -
To point out, the phrase "as so many people do" - doesn't mean everyone.
So you have a grasp on the English language! Congratulations. Want a medal? He was the one who criticized my generalization first, so I criticized his playfully in return. Obviously generalizations don't apply to every single member of the human race.
I think, maybe, you need to take a break and calm down. Really. Why are you attacking me? This is a discussion. If you can't handle opposition, then the forums aren't for you.0 -
"Please don't use "as so many people do" like that, then. Not everyone is a yo-yo dieter or a binge eater. And when you say a small amount of cheat meals, you mean like, once a week? Twice a month? Somewhere in there, right? Because again, there is nothing in OP's post (THIS post) that says fast food should never be eaten ever even on special occasions. You're all seeing reasons to argue that aren't actually there."Where did my quotes go???
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Just an FYI, some people are continuing a conversation with CoachReddy from other posts that you do not seem to be aware of. I think this is where you may be confused.
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Yeah, I garnered that already, but what bugs me is that just because he's apparently posted other more controversial posts previously, this post is being shat on without even being fully read by these trolls.0 -
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ETA: Not everyone using MFP is trying to lose weight. That's why it is My FITNESS Pal.
I don't blame fast food for my being overweight. That's an infantile notion. The movie Supersize Me just made me want to eat french fries. But the knee-jerk reaction to DEFEND fast food in the wake of articles explaining why it has little to no nutritional benefit begs the question, why are we so desperate to keep it? Are we really that obsessed with food that we can't let go of the Crunchwrap Supremes and the Big Macs without throwing a temper tantrum at the people criticizing them?
It's called a discussion. Really, you are the one most upset by people discussing and putting out opposing points.
Hahahahaha. These forums are a joke for actual discussions, because of you and others like you who sit back and pick out the parts you don't like in people's posts rather than contribute anything useful or open-minded. They're more like a combination of a digital ****-waggling contest and high school locker room gossip.
If they are a joke..then why are you here? I really think you need to take a breather. Obviously, you are taking this waaayyyy too personally.0 -
To point out, the phrase "as so many people do" - doesn't mean everyone.
So you have a grasp on the English language! Congratulations. Want a medal? He was the one who criticized my generalization first, so I criticized his playfully in return. Obviously generalizations don't apply to every single member of the human race.
I think, maybe, you need to take a break and calm down. Really. Why are you attacking me? This is a discussion. If you can't handle opposition, then the forums aren't for you.
Hahaha. I'm not attacking you, dear, I'm calling you out on trolling, which is exactly what you are doing. If you can't 'handle' me doing that then you're the one who needs a break! ;D0
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