i love my cheese

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  • redraidergirl2009
    redraidergirl2009 Posts: 2,560 Member
    What's fattening about cheese in moderation?

    the fact that its basically mostly fat.

    But it is quite high in protein and it is extremely satisfying. There is also some evidence that it has a positive effect on many health parameters--including being an obesity fighter, believe it or not. I eat cheese almost every day and I never go over in my calories. But then, I eat a lower carb diet and I never eat sugar (which is metabolic poison).

    If it's so good for you then why is only around 30% of the world population able to digest it correctly?

    Anyone can be allergic (or otherwise intolerant) to a specific food that is quite beneficial to others. Eggs are a fantastic source of very high quality protein (probably the most digestible form of protein there is) but a TON of people are allergic to them.

    Don't you think it's a bit odd for that large a number of the population to not be able to digest it, like at all?
  • sherrirb
    sherrirb Posts: 1,649 Member
    My best advice is just stop eating it............... its very hard, I LOVE cheese and here's why :)

    Your passion for cheese is more deeply rooted in your brain than you may realize.

    Just as heroin, cocaine, and other recreational drugs such as nictoine and alcohol affect the pleasure center of the brain, your brain is stimulated by cheese. The pleasant fuzzy feeling you experience makes you go back for more.

    Cheese contains primarily two proteins, whey and casein. When the casein is broken down by acids and bacteria in the gut, a variety of casomorpins are created. One of these casomorphins has about one-tenth of the pain-killing power of morphine, which makes it a socially acceptable drug.

    Because eating cheese creates a pleasant relaxation time and time again, we consider ourselves "addicted" to cheese. We seek it our over other less-gratifying foods, such as broccoli or black beans. These foods, while far better nutrionally, are not addictive because they do not create euphoria in the mind.

    http://www.examiner.com/article/do-you-have-a-cheese-addiction-how-heroin-cocaine-and-cheese-affect-your-brain

    :laugh: I'm sorry but this really makes me chuckle. "The Examiner" is another tabloid, right up there with the National Enquirer. They also post stories about alien abductions and new "spottings" of Elvis and Bigfoot!. :laugh:
  • sherrirb
    sherrirb Posts: 1,649 Member
    What's fattening about cheese in moderation?

    the fact that its basically mostly fat.

    But it is quite high in protein and it is extremely satisfying. There is also some evidence that it has a positive effect on many health parameters--including being an obesity fighter, believe it or not. I eat cheese almost every day and I never go over in my calories. But then, I eat a lower carb diet and I never eat sugar (which is metabolic poison).

    If it's so good for you then why is only around 30% of the world population able to digest it correctly?

    And where did you derive this baseless percentage from??
    Anyone can be allergic (or otherwise intolerant) to a specific food that is quite beneficial to others. Eggs are a fantastic source of very high quality protein (probably the most digestible form of protein there is) but a TON of people are allergic to them.

    Don't you think it's a bit odd for that large a number of the population to not be able to digest it, like at all?

    No.. just like I dont think it is odd that a large number of the general population is allergic to penicillin, or peanuts, or cats. It happens.
  • Amber1070
    Amber1070 Posts: 106 Member
    I use Kraft fat free shredded mozzarella cheese for everything. Even grilled cheese. But in moderation. I usually only use half of a serving
  • redraidergirl2009
    redraidergirl2009 Posts: 2,560 Member
    What's fattening about cheese in moderation?

    the fact that its basically mostly fat.

    But it is quite high in protein and it is extremely satisfying. There is also some evidence that it has a positive effect on many health parameters--including being an obesity fighter, believe it or not. I eat cheese almost every day and I never go over in my calories. But then, I eat a lower carb diet and I never eat sugar (which is metabolic poison).

    If it's so good for you then why is only around 30% of the world population able to digest it correctly?

    And where did you derive this baseless percentage from??
    Anyone can be allergic (or otherwise intolerant) to a specific food that is quite beneficial to others. Eggs are a fantastic source of very high quality protein (probably the most digestible form of protein there is) but a TON of people are allergic to them.

    Don't you think it's a bit odd for that large a number of the population to not be able to digest it, like at all?

    No.. just like I dont think it is odd that a large number of the general population is allergic to penicillin, or peanuts, or cats. It happens.

    Here

    http://ghr.nlm.nih.gov/condition/lactose-intolerance

    http://usatoday30.usatoday.com/tech/science/2009-08-30-lactose-intolerance_N.htm

    I'd like to see some percentages of the human population allergic to cats, peanuts, ect since you thought it was a comparable number, if so that's very interesting.
  • snowshoermom
    snowshoermom Posts: 63 Member
    Yup cheese is my drug of choice and you will have to pry it out of my dead hands.. i could never just totally wipe it out.

    Thanks everyone i will try to fine grate it and TRY really hard to just eat my 30 grams when i crave it......
    wish me luck..i'm going to need it.. lol
  • neanderthin
    neanderthin Posts: 10,266 Member
    It's saturated fat.

    I've never seen a 70% saturated fat cheese, nor is cheese normally all saturated fat - cheddar is about 30-35% fat of which about two thirds is saturated and about a third is monounsaturated (like olive oil or avocados!).

    Nor have I. Even saturated fat can be healthy for you in moderation, as long as you're not scarfing a million grams of saturated and trans fats down your throat you'll be good.

    So eating fat that raises bad LDL cholesterol is beneficial for the body how? Thanks!
    Saturated fat changes the particle size of LDL. It reduces what's called small dense LDL or ApoB to ones more buoyant. Small dense LDL have triglycerides within the lipoprotein and the amount of actual cholesterol is much smaller, hense the wording, small dense LDL, these are the ones that are susceptible to oxidation, cytokines, macrophages and inflammation and this is basically the main contributor to coronary artery disease. So while LDL goes up it's because the lipoproteins actually contain more actual cholesterol, but less triglycerides, and I know it sound a little weird but it's not what the media has led up to believe. If lowering LDL was important then refined carbs and sugar would be the foods you want to eat because these really lower LDL cholesterol, but they also produce a truckload of small dense LDL or ApoB.
  • JaceyMarieS
    JaceyMarieS Posts: 692 Member




    If it's so good for you then why is only around 30% of the world population able to digest it correctly?

    Many people who are lactose intolerant CAN eat cheese, especially aged cheeses. Aging reduces the lactose.
  • redraidergirl2009
    redraidergirl2009 Posts: 2,560 Member




    If it's so good for you then why is only around 30% of the world population able to digest it correctly?

    Many people who are lactose intolerant CAN eat cheese, especially aged cheeses. Aging reduces the lactose.

    Sure you CAN eat it, you can drink gasoline too, but it's not good for you to do so.
  • neanderthin
    neanderthin Posts: 10,266 Member




    If it's so good for you then why is only around 30% of the world population able to digest it correctly?

    Many people who are lactose intolerant CAN eat cheese, especially aged cheeses. Aging reduces the lactose.

    Sure you CAN eat it, you can drink gasoline too, but it's not good for you to do so.
    Educate yourself, there's little to no lactose in hard cheeses. You obviously have an anti dairy and sounds like saturated fat agenda, or just find studies and stuff that fit your thinking.
  • NachoEverydayChick
    NachoEverydayChick Posts: 23 Member
    Cheese is delicious.
  • Shadowknight137
    Shadowknight137 Posts: 1,243 Member
    I ate cheese today on my pizza. It was nice, I recommend everyone should try it.
  • BaileyBoo13524
    BaileyBoo13524 Posts: 593 Member
    Cheese is good. Eat it. Eat it a lot!
  • darlilama
    darlilama Posts: 794 Member
    Portion control is definitely key. Sometimes I like to grate it so that it goes "farther". Sometimes I just like to chunk it up so that I get a few delicious bites. Oh, and Sargento has some 'ultra thin' sliced cheeses that are perfectly awesome for sandwiches. There is no problem with eating cheese as long as it fits into your daily macro goals!
  • sherrirb
    sherrirb Posts: 1,649 Member

    Here

    http://ghr.nlm.nih.gov/condition/lactose-intolerance

    http://usatoday30.usatoday.com/tech/science/2009-08-30-lactose-intolerance_N.htm

    I'd like to see some percentages of the human population allergic to cats, peanuts, ect since you thought it was a comparable number, if so that's very interesting.

    Well first off, these two articles give two different numbers as far as the percentage of people that are supposed to be lactose intolerant, and both differ with your 70% as stated above. But I do appreciate you posting these and I read these articles and several more on the subject.

    Secondly, we are discussing cheese, not milk. There is a difference in the amount of lactose in both of these products and it is significantly less in cheese. Many people that have lactose intolerance can eat a variety of cheese because the amount of lactose in cheese is reduced both during production of cheese and in the aging process.

    http://www.mayoclinic.com/health/lactose-intolerance/DS00530/DSECTION=lifestyle-and-home-remedies

    Lactose intolerance is a deficiancy of lactase. Lactase actually is a naturally occuring enzyme in raw milk that helps in the breakdown of lactose, but is destroyed in the pasteurizing process. A deficiency in lactase is most prevalent in adults as both of your articles point out. Lactase production drops off as we reach adulthood. Often this is due to the change in diet and milk is no longer a main source of our nutrition. If we are eating a balanced diet, our need for the nutrients found in milk is less critical because we get them in so many other foods. In infancy and childhood, milk is a major source of nutrition and is very beneficial in development. As adults we no longer need milk, but most of us still love it! :smile: That being said, it isn't a great alarm that so many people are lactose intolerant.

    http://www.mayoclinic.com/health/lactose-intolerance/DS00530/DSECTION=causes

    Milk fat contains the best fatty acids necessary for brain development. For this reason I really do not understand why everyone thinks we need to give children skim millk, but that is a completely different discussion.

    Lastly, I never stated that people allergic to cats, nuts, and penicillin was comparable to your number of the population that cannot digest milk. I only stated it was a large number. I wont state an actual figure unless I've done my "research". I forgot to include bees, shellfish and gluten as well.
  • onefatwife
    onefatwife Posts: 23 Member
    I have a problem with cheese also. I want cheese on everything. I am trying to cut back and use goat cheese on salads. Cheese has
    been one of my hardest habits to break while trying to loose weight.
  • Jen800
    Jen800 Posts: 548 Member

    Here

    http://ghr.nlm.nih.gov/condition/lactose-intolerance

    http://usatoday30.usatoday.com/tech/science/2009-08-30-lactose-intolerance_N.htm

    I'd like to see some percentages of the human population allergic to cats, peanuts, ect since you thought it was a comparable number, if so that's very interesting.

    Well first off, these two articles give two different numbers as far as the percentage of people that are supposed to be lactose intolerant, and both differ with your 70% as stated above. But I do appreciate you posting these and I read these articles and several more on the subject.

    Secondly, we are discussing cheese, not milk. There is a difference in the amount of lactose in both of these products and it is significantly less in cheese. Many people that have lactose intolerance can eat a variety of cheese because the amount of lactose in cheese is reduced both during production of cheese and in the aging process.

    http://www.mayoclinic.com/health/lactose-intolerance/DS00530/DSECTION=lifestyle-and-home-remedies

    Lactose intolerance is a deficiancy of lactase. Lactase actually is a naturally occuring enzyme in raw milk that helps in the breakdown of lactose, but is destroyed in the pasteurizing process. A deficiency in lactase is most prevalent in adults as both of your articles point out. Lactase production drops off as we reach adulthood. Often this is due to the change in diet and milk is no longer a main source of our nutrition. If we are eating a balanced diet, our need for the nutrients found in milk is less critical because we get them in so many other foods. In infancy and childhood, milk is a major source of nutrition and is very beneficial in development. As adults we no longer need milk, but most of us still love it! :smile: That being said, it isn't a great alarm that so many people are lactose intolerant.

    http://www.mayoclinic.com/health/lactose-intolerance/DS00530/DSECTION=causes

    Milk fat contains the best fatty acids necessary for brain development. For this reason I really do not understand why everyone thinks we need to give children skim millk, but that is a completely different discussion.

    Lastly, I never stated that people allergic to cats, nuts, and penicillin was comparable to your number of the population that cannot digest milk. I only stated it was a large number. I wont state an actual figure unless I've done my "research". I forgot to include bees, shellfish and gluten as well.


    Well said! I just hope nobody sees all of her ridiculous "facts" and thinks cheese is suddenly the devil.
  • spamantha57
    spamantha57 Posts: 674 Member
    Cheese is the #1 thing that prevents me from being vegan.
    When I decided to learn about nutrition & change my eating habits, I put my foot down when it came to cheese.
    However, since I decided that, I also decided I was going to be strict on everything else I consumed. It's totally worth it to me.
    It also helps that my favorite cheese is mozzarella - which is typically the lowest in fat & cals, & they even make it with even more reduced fat & cals.

    With us cheese lovers, we have to know what works for us & what our goals are. What will happen if I gave up cheese for a few weeks? I'd probably go on a 3 or 4 day bender eating 1lb of cheese a day. Yeah, I did that. Lesson learned.
    Buy & eat it in moderation. Be aware of what exactly you are ingesting (the amount, the content.) Get the good cheese, not the cheap junk cheese - so when you do want it you will be satisfied with a smaller amount.

    Good luck! :)
  • alexbusnello
    alexbusnello Posts: 1,010 Member
    What's fattening about cheese in moderation?

    the fact that its basically mostly fat.

    MOD.ER.A.TION
  • SanteMulberry
    SanteMulberry Posts: 3,202 Member
    Cheese is the #1 thing that prevents me from being vegan.
    When I decided to learn about nutrition & change my eating habits, I put my foot down when it came to cheese.
    However, since I decided that, I also decided I was going to be strict on everything else I consumed. It's totally worth it to me.
    It also helps that my favorite cheese is mozzarella - which is typically the lowest in fat & cals, & they even make it with even more reduced fat & cals.

    With us cheese lovers, we have to know what works for us & what our goals are. What will happen if I gave up cheese for a few weeks? I'd probably go on a 3 or 4 day bender eating 1lb of cheese a day. Yeah, I did that. Lesson learned.
    Buy & eat it in moderation. Be aware of what exactly you are ingesting (the amount, the content.) Get the good cheese, not the cheap junk cheese - so when you do want it you will be satisfied with a smaller amount.

    Good luck! :)

    Good advice! Natural cheeses are a great source of nutrition. "Processed cheese food" (because it is full of fillers of one sort or another) not so much. Children will often eat cheese when they are reluctant to eat meat and ounce for ounce, it has about the same amount of protein. The growing and developing central nervous system in children REQUIRE cholesterol to develop properly. It is a terrible idea to put a child on a low-fat diet.
  • redraidergirl2009
    redraidergirl2009 Posts: 2,560 Member

    Here

    http://ghr.nlm.nih.gov/condition/lactose-intolerance

    http://usatoday30.usatoday.com/tech/science/2009-08-30-lactose-intolerance_N.htm

    I'd like to see some percentages of the human population allergic to cats, peanuts, ect since you thought it was a comparable number, if so that's very interesting.

    Well first off, these two articles give two different numbers as far as the percentage of people that are supposed to be lactose intolerant, and both differ with your 70% as stated above. But I do appreciate you posting these and I read these articles and several more on the subject.

    Secondly, we are discussing cheese, not milk. There is a difference in the amount of lactose in both of these products and it is significantly less in cheese. Many people that have lactose intolerance can eat a variety of cheese because the amount of lactose in cheese is reduced both during production of cheese and in the aging process.

    http://www.mayoclinic.com/health/lactose-intolerance/DS00530/DSECTION=lifestyle-and-home-remedies

    Lactose intolerance is a deficiancy of lactase. Lactase actually is a naturally occuring enzyme in raw milk that helps in the breakdown of lactose, but is destroyed in the pasteurizing process. A deficiency in lactase is most prevalent in adults as both of your articles point out. Lactase production drops off as we reach adulthood. Often this is due to the change in diet and milk is no longer a main source of our nutrition. If we are eating a balanced diet, our need for the nutrients found in milk is less critical because we get them in so many other foods. In infancy and childhood, milk is a major source of nutrition and is very beneficial in development. As adults we no longer need milk, but most of us still love it! :smile: That being said, it isn't a great alarm that so many people are lactose intolerant.

    http://www.mayoclinic.com/health/lactose-intolerance/DS00530/DSECTION=causes

    Milk fat contains the best fatty acids necessary for brain development. For this reason I really do not understand why everyone thinks we need to give children skim millk, but that is a completely different discussion.

    Lastly, I never stated that people allergic to cats, nuts, and penicillin was comparable to your number of the population that cannot digest milk. I only stated it was a large number. I wont state an actual figure unless I've done my "research". I forgot to include bees, shellfish and gluten as well.

    People that are lactose intolerant cannot always eat cheese without issue, in fact I have never met a person who is lactose intolerant that can eat cheese without discomfort because although the amount of lactose may be less, it's still there, that person is still lactose intolerant.

    Also, frankly you do not need to give children cow's milk period. Cow's milk is not crucial to human brain development.
  • redraidergirl2009
    redraidergirl2009 Posts: 2,560 Member
    Cheese is the #1 thing that prevents me from being vegan.
    When I decided to learn about nutrition & change my eating habits, I put my foot down when it came to cheese.
    However, since I decided that, I also decided I was going to be strict on everything else I consumed. It's totally worth it to me.
    It also helps that my favorite cheese is mozzarella - which is typically the lowest in fat & cals, & they even make it with even more reduced fat & cals.

    With us cheese lovers, we have to know what works for us & what our goals are. What will happen if I gave up cheese for a few weeks? I'd probably go on a 3 or 4 day bender eating 1lb of cheese a day. Yeah, I did that. Lesson learned.
    Buy & eat it in moderation. Be aware of what exactly you are ingesting (the amount, the content.) Get the good cheese, not the cheap junk cheese - so when you do want it you will be satisfied with a smaller amount.

    Good luck! :)

    There's vegan cheese.
  • FullOfWin
    FullOfWin Posts: 1,414 Member
    I probably eat 1-2 oz full fat cheese daily. I also eat meat. And butter.

    I like the cut of your jib
  • NachoEverydayChick
    NachoEverydayChick Posts: 23 Member
    Cheese is the #1 thing that prevents me from being vegan.
    When I decided to learn about nutrition & change my eating habits, I put my foot down when it came to cheese.
    However, since I decided that, I also decided I was going to be strict on everything else I consumed. It's totally worth it to me.
    It also helps that my favorite cheese is mozzarella - which is typically the lowest in fat & cals, & they even make it with even more reduced fat & cals.

    With us cheese lovers, we have to know what works for us & what our goals are. What will happen if I gave up cheese for a few weeks? I'd probably go on a 3 or 4 day bender eating 1lb of cheese a day. Yeah, I did that. Lesson learned.
    Buy & eat it in moderation. Be aware of what exactly you are ingesting (the amount, the content.) Get the good cheese, not the cheap junk cheese - so when you do want it you will be satisfied with a smaller amount.

    Good luck! :)

    There's vegan cheese flavored product.
    Fixed that for you.
  • redraidergirl2009
    redraidergirl2009 Posts: 2,560 Member
    Cheese is the #1 thing that prevents me from being vegan.
    When I decided to learn about nutrition & change my eating habits, I put my foot down when it came to cheese.
    However, since I decided that, I also decided I was going to be strict on everything else I consumed. It's totally worth it to me.
    It also helps that my favorite cheese is mozzarella - which is typically the lowest in fat & cals, & they even make it with even more reduced fat & cals.

    With us cheese lovers, we have to know what works for us & what our goals are. What will happen if I gave up cheese for a few weeks? I'd probably go on a 3 or 4 day bender eating 1lb of cheese a day. Yeah, I did that. Lesson learned.
    Buy & eat it in moderation. Be aware of what exactly you are ingesting (the amount, the content.) Get the good cheese, not the cheap junk cheese - so when you do want it you will be satisfied with a smaller amount.

    Good luck! :)

    There's vegan cheese flavored product.
    Fixed that for you.

    OMG THANK YEW
  • sherrirb
    sherrirb Posts: 1,649 Member
    People that are lactose intolerant cannot always eat cheese without issue, in fact I have never met a person who is lactose intolerant that can eat cheese without discomfort because although the amount of lactose may be less, it's still there, that person is still lactose intolerant.

    Also, frankly you do not need to give children cow's milk period. Cow's milk is not crucial to human brain development.

    Well, you met one. I am lactose intolerant and I enjoy cheese pretty much daily. I do beleive a couple other people on this thread have stated the same for themselves. If you read the articles I posted from the Mayo Clinic, they state most adults that are diagnosed as lactose intolerant can manage up to 250ml of milk (about 8oz) at a time without too many issues.

    Read what I said about brain development again as well. No, I did not state that you HAD to give children cows milk, but I did state that MILK contains the best fatty acids for brain development. Doctors do not recommend cows milk for up to the first year of a child's life, especially if the mother is breastfeeding. But when the child is weaned from formula or breast milk, it is recommended that children move to milk - namely cow's milk which is the easiest option for necessary nutrients the child needs.

    If you think Milk is bad, read the ingredients of infant formula:
    Ingredients
    Reduced Minerals Whey, Nonfat Milk, Vegetable Oil (Palm Olein, Soy, Coconut, and High Oleic Sunflower Oils), and Less than 2%: Galactooligosaccharides (a Type of Prebiotic), Polydextrose (a Type of Prebiotic), Mortierella Alpina Oil (a Source of Arachidonic Acid (ARA)), Crypthecodinium Cohnii Oil (a Source of Docosahexaenoic Acid (DHA)), Lactose, Potassium Citrate, Calcium Carbonate, Calcium Chloride, Sodium Chloride, Calcium Phosphate, Ferrous Sulfate, Sodium Citrate, Zinc Sulfate, Cupric Sulfate, Manganese Sulfate, Sodium Selenite, Mono- and Diglycerides, Soy Lecithin, Ascorbic Acid, Sodium Ascorbate, Vitamin B12, Vitamin D3, Vitamin E Acetate, Niacinamide, Calcium Pantothenate, Vitamin A Palmitate, Thiamin Hydrochloride, Vitamin B6 Hydrochloride, Folic Acid, Vitamin K1, Biotin, Carrageenan, Choline Chloride, Inositol, Nucleotides (Cytidine 5'-Monophosphate, Adenosine 5'-Monophosphate, Disodium Guanosine 5'-Monophosphate, Disodium Uridine 5'-Monophosphate), Taurine.
    Some is good like the vitamins, but vegetable oil? salt? and a bunch of chemicals to make it digestable!


    I'm sorry that you are a milk nazi. You obviously have some issues with milk, although you have not given any indication that you yourself are lactose intolerant so these issues must run deep and I won't even begin to speculate. Dont bother to respond because I'm dropping out of this conversation.

    I also apologize to the OP since you've so successfully hi-jacked her question thread with your anti-milk campaign.

    All things in moderation. P E R I O D

    Even milk AND cheese.
  • kimmcconkey
    kimmcconkey Posts: 45 Member
    one trick I use is shredding my own with a small grater. It makes 1 ounce go so much further than a chunk or even pre-shredded. So much more flavor and spreading for the same calories. I also use 2% when I can, and sometimes laughing cow light wedges.
    Just portion and stay to an ounce!


    I use the small grater trick too! Works like a charm. I also use light Swiss cheese although sometimes I splurge and have about 30g of aged cheddar with Kashi Toasted Asiago Crackers (yum). I concur with everything in moderation too.
  • neverstray
    neverstray Posts: 3,845 Member
    One serving of cheese is a stupid tease. I had to cut it. I can't just eat a serving. That's ridiculous to me.
  • SanteMulberry
    SanteMulberry Posts: 3,202 Member
    One serving of cheese is a stupid tease. I had to cut it. I can't just eat a serving. That's ridiculous to me.

    In cutting it out, you may be harming yourself. Hard cheeses are a source of some amazing nutrients. Check out this interview with a medical researcher, Dr. Chris Masterjohn, who is doing cutting edge research in nutrition. http://mercola.fileburst.com/PDF/ExpertInterviewTranscripts/Interview-ChrisMasterjohn.pdf
  • nexangelus
    nexangelus Posts: 2,080 Member
    I probably eat 1-2 oz full fat cheese daily. I also eat meat. And butter.

    Me too, think that makes a neat handful of us on this thread...do not like fat reduced anything (and find it a pain that not all shops sell the full fat versions anymore), it does not taste the same and for me the fat makes me feel fuller, I need it. I also have double cream, full fat creme fraiche and full fat greek yoghurt. Not every day, but most days : )

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