Paleo Eating Program
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I used to argue that Paleo was dumb. I had reasons for that. But, I'm the type that will try it so I understand why it's dumb and I can argue from an insider point of view. I started a couple weeks ago, and wow. My energy is amazing. I am never hungry. I struggle to get up to my calories. I only need 1700 or 1800. I find it easy, cheap, and super intuitive and I love the food. I love having a pork chop and 3 eggs for breakfast. It definitely holds me until lunch. I love nuts to death.
My body fat is coming off already. I've been stuck for a long time. I feel great and love this diet. I feel healthy and awesome. I never eat out anymore and I have no urges to snack.
All I can say is to try it. It's really easy. I do not eat dairy, grains, or any processed food. Yesterday, I cheated by eating some home made cookies. Meh? I'm not completely hard core. But, 99% of the time I am. I love it so far. Processed carbs suck the life out of you.
THIS^ My utmost RESPECT to someone who actually understands that it's important to have first hand experience in order to have a valid opinion on something.
Phew tell that to historians and the like, that they do not have valid opinions since they have no first hand experience. Or any number of people who don't have first hand experience with something, clearly their opinions are not valid
Exactly. (Since when do historians claim everything they research as FACT?) Here's a little illustration. I live in the Arctic. There are many highly educated scientists that will come here for a few weeks, study and measure something, and then formulate a hypothesis and sometimes provide management recommendations based on their brief non-holistic observations. Then there are the people who live here every day, year after year, generation after generation who carry their own knowledge about how things work.
But I know that you would be in the camp that asserts that the information provided by the university-educated, first-hand experience lacking, scientists would be far superior to that of the local inhabitants. So I agree to disagree.0 -
I used to argue that Paleo was dumb. I had reasons for that. But, I'm the type that will try it so I understand why it's dumb and I can argue from an insider point of view. I started a couple weeks ago, and wow. My energy is amazing. I am never hungry. I struggle to get up to my calories. I only need 1700 or 1800. I find it easy, cheap, and super intuitive and I love the food. I love having a pork chop and 3 eggs for breakfast. It definitely holds me until lunch. I love nuts to death.
My body fat is coming off already. I've been stuck for a long time. I feel great and love this diet. I feel healthy and awesome. I never eat out anymore and I have no urges to snack.
All I can say is to try it. It's really easy. I do not eat dairy, grains, or any processed food. Yesterday, I cheated by eating some home made cookies. Meh? I'm not completely hard core. But, 99% of the time I am. I love it so far. Processed carbs suck the life out of you.
THIS^ My utmost RESPECT to someone who actually understands that it's important to have first hand experience in order to have a valid opinion on something.
haha just because they agree with you, they get respect, nice. Why would I do a diet like this when legumes do not affect me in a negative way??? In fact just the opposite and I don't need a phone app while I shop to tell me what I can and cannot eat.
Differentiating between a whole, unprocessed food and something mangled and packaged in a box is hard to figure out?
Apparently it is, unless you don't practice what you preach, bacon? processed, MCT oil? processed and the list goes on and on0 -
I used to argue that Paleo was dumb. I had reasons for that. But, I'm the type that will try it so I understand why it's dumb and I can argue from an insider point of view. I started a couple weeks ago, and wow. My energy is amazing. I am never hungry. I struggle to get up to my calories. I only need 1700 or 1800. I find it easy, cheap, and super intuitive and I love the food. I love having a pork chop and 3 eggs for breakfast. It definitely holds me until lunch. I love nuts to death.
My body fat is coming off already. I've been stuck for a long time. I feel great and love this diet. I feel healthy and awesome. I never eat out anymore and I have no urges to snack.
All I can say is to try it. It's really easy. I do not eat dairy, grains, or any processed food. Yesterday, I cheated by eating some home made cookies. Meh? I'm not completely hard core. But, 99% of the time I am. I love it so far. Processed carbs suck the life out of you.
THIS^ My utmost RESPECT to someone who actually understands that it's important to have first hand experience in order to have a valid opinion on something.
Phew tell that to historians and the like, that they do not have valid opinions since they have no first hand experience. Or any number of people who don't have first hand experience with something, clearly their opinions are not valid
Exactly. (Since when do historians claim everything they research as FACT?) Here's a little illustration. I live in the Arctic. There are many highly educated scientists that will come here for a few weeks, study and measure something, and then formulate a hypothesis and sometimes provide management recommendations based on their brief non-holistic observations. Then there are the people who live here every day, year after year, generation after generation who carry their own knowledge about how things work.
But I know that you would be in the camp that asserts that the information provided by the university-educated, first-hand experience lacking, scientists would be far superior to that of the local inhabitants. So I agree to disagree.
You stated that in order to have a valid opinion you must have first hand experience, which is complete and utter garbage0 -
The way that I had it explained to me (as far as the dairy goes, that was the question, right? lol) is to try cutting it out for 30 days, if you feel great and miss it, try adding it back in a little at a time and see how you feel-if you tolerate it well and still feel great, you probably don't have a sensitivity to it and can go ahead and incorporate it (then you're doing the Primal lifestyle). The only thing I've seen as far as "what kind" of dairy to have, is to have full-fat versions of everything, "low-fat" often times means "high-sugar". Paleo/Primal is NOT a low-carb lifestyle (I don't call it a diet because I eat what I want, the only things I cut out were the things that were bad for me and making me fat because I have no sense of moderation with processed foods and I don't feel deprived or restricted at all), you just get your carbs from veggies and fruit, and if you're trying to lose weight, you keep an eye on your carb intake and natural sugar intake. It's not for everyone because some people feel "restricted" and binge and can probably find something that works better. All I know is that I've never felt better in my life or had more energy, and once I got over craving sugar, it's the easiest eating style ever! I don't count calories, I don't count fat grams, I keep my starchy veggie and fruit intake in moderation because it works better for me, and I'm steadily losing weight and have tons of energy to exercise. I think the best advice I can really give you is to talk to your doctor about it and see if s/he thinks it might be a good choice for you
marksdailyapple and nerdfitness have some great information too-and yes, come to the Paleo/Primal group, everybody is super friendly and helpful! 0 -
THIS^ My utmost RESPECT to someone who actually understands that it's important to have first hand experience in order to have a valid opinion on something.
Your respect seems to be misdirected. Qualifiers for valid opinions include researching into the topic, having some sort of evidence to back up your opinion...not just having 'first hand experience'.
Do you read what you type? Actually it is my own valid opinion that one cannot fully understand something without first-hand experience. You think there is no research that supports what I do? I guess because you've never challenged what you currently believe. Don't you think that i used to eat a SAD and wondered why I wasn't healthy as promised and was getting sicker?
Here's a quote just for you (and a few others) who continue to disrespect and ridicule others and think that some science is fact (the parts they agree with) and other science is invalid:
"Men who have excessive faith in their theories or ideas are not only ill prepared for making discoveries; they also make very poor observations.Of necessity, they observe with a preconceived idea, and when they devise an experiment, they can see, in its results, only a confirmation of their theory. In this way they distort observation and often neglect very important facts because they do not further their aim..... But it happens further quite naturally that men who believe too firmly in their theories, do not believe enough in the theories of others. So the dominant idea of these despisers of their fellows is to find others' theories faulty and to try to contradict them. The difficulty, for science, is still the same." Claude Bernard, 1865.
Wow, that sure speaks to how the SAD has been established as THE diet for everyone, while we are (almost) all getting sicker than ever. (Go check the stats if you don't agree.)0 -
There are so many flaws and holes in the concepts behind this diet. Like I said, most diets, if not all, can claim to reverse diabetes because it is the weight loss that is responsible not the diet itself. I do not believe that giving up so many foods without proper trial and error and process of elimination to see if those foods actually bother you specifically or not. That is where FOLLOWING a diet like this fails on most levels because it takes all the possible problem foods and cuts them all out. People accredit the diet when it is actually the removal of all possible problem foods that is what is responsible. It is lazy if you think about it. I say figure it out for yourself so you can claim you have your own special dietary needs instead of claiming to eat like a caveman. lol.0
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NO. Do some basic research into anthropology. The health of humans declines drastically as soon as they change to an agrarian society. This is widely observed by anthropologists looking not only at ancient societies, but also on more contemporary hunter/gatherer societies. The diseases (diabetes, cancer, autoimmune disorders, bone deformity, tooth decay, depression etc, etc) that most of us deal with now are referred to as "the diseases of civilization" because they did not exist in hunters/gatherers. Look into the work of Dr. Weston Price (and there are many others).
Poppycock - as previously mentioned, they are diseases of old age, and/or would have resulted in death until fairly recently so of course they wouldn't be present in the population at large, with the possible exception of tooth decay. How you can say that paleolithic man did or did not suffer depression with any level of conviction is perplexing to say the least.
In fact, even if you go back two genrations - my ex-bosses father was professor of medicine at Belfast University and once said that when he was practicing, less people died from cancer, but lots of people died with cancer.
Again, nothing against the diet - seems a lot healthier than most, just have an issue with some of the "anthropology" involved.
And I think your view is "poppycock". And please, don't ASSuME that you are the only one around knowledgable about anthropology. And just like any field, there's a wide variety of hypotheses. However, one of the most common observations in Anthropology is that the "diseases of civilization" are NOT present in hunter societies. Not many of them lived to be as old as we are (nothing to do with malnutrition!), but a few did. They did not die of disease; accidents and infections, yes. Not only that, I am directly observing what happens to human health when a culture changes from an animal-based diet to grain-based diet. (I live with the same people studied by Diamond Jenness, Vilhjalmur Stefansson, and Dr. Weston Price.) A lot can be learned from looking at the hunter gatherer societies that still exist and especially the ones that are currently reducing their natural foods and increasing grain-based and processed vegetable oil-based foods.
So - if you admit that not many lived to an old age, and then seemed less likley to die of disease, could it be that they were resistant to prevailing diseases. This is the basis of natural selection. Again, in western society two generations ago, not many died of cancer, but many died with cancer. And as for depression.......depression was hardly heard of in western society two generations ago, not because it was not present, but because it was not talked about.
This society that you are viewing is one alone, whose diet is highly specialised and has been ingrained into their way of life for millenia - individuals who this diet did not suit will have been taken care of by natural selection. But, it is just one society - the diet of northern Europeans would differ from those in Africa, from those in Asia etc. The point being that human beings are generalists - and can adapt to eat a wide variety of foodstuffs.
Somewhat agreed to the first paragraph. But it's my current opinion that most of our current degenerative diseases are diseases of civilization.
I agree totally with the second paragraph. Different people ate different foods depending where they lived, but there were many notable commonalities. Some of those commonalities (I'm talking pre agriculture): seeking out fat as much as possible, eating local foods that were culturally appropriate and in season, consumption of very few grains and legumes (if any), and rare consumption of pure sugar (honey etc).
So, my current eating plan is focused on what food makes me healthy, feel good, and is available to me.0 -
I have been eating Paleo/Primal for several months.
I feel better.
Previous replies have given great references to start
http://robbwolf.com/what-is-the-paleo-diet/
https://www.marksdailyapple.com/
It is up to the individual if this life style is for them. Only you can decide.
I am eating whole foods "real foods" that are a product of nature, than a product of industry "processed foods"
I saw the biggest and most positive impact when I removed grains from my diet. Maybe our ancestors ate grain, but it is not the same grain that is grown now. But that is another topic
Only you can decide if it is right for you.
Just remember to enjoy the trip!0 -
I used to argue that Paleo was dumb. I had reasons for that. But, I'm the type that will try it so I understand why it's dumb and I can argue from an insider point of view. I started a couple weeks ago, and wow. My energy is amazing. I am never hungry. I struggle to get up to my calories. I only need 1700 or 1800. I find it easy, cheap, and super intuitive and I love the food. I love having a pork chop and 3 eggs for breakfast. It definitely holds me until lunch. I love nuts to death.
My body fat is coming off already. I've been stuck for a long time. I feel great and love this diet. I feel healthy and awesome. I never eat out anymore and I have no urges to snack.
All I can say is to try it. It's really easy. I do not eat dairy, grains, or any processed food. Yesterday, I cheated by eating some home made cookies. Meh? I'm not completely hard core. But, 99% of the time I am. I love it so far. Processed carbs suck the life out of you.
THIS^ My utmost RESPECT to someone who actually understands that it's important to have first hand experience in order to have a valid opinion on something.
Phew tell that to historians and the like, that they do not have valid opinions since they have no first hand experience. Or any number of people who don't have first hand experience with something, clearly their opinions are not valid
Exactly. (Since when do historians claim everything they research as FACT?) Here's a little illustration. I live in the Arctic. There are many highly educated scientists that will come here for a few weeks, study and measure something, and then formulate a hypothesis and sometimes provide management recommendations based on their brief non-holistic observations. Then there are the people who live here every day, year after year, generation after generation who carry their own knowledge about how things work.
But I know that you would be in the camp that asserts that the information provided by the university-educated, first-hand experience lacking, scientists would be far superior to that of the local inhabitants. So I agree to disagree.
You stated that in order to have a valid opinion you must have first hand experience, which is complete and utter garbage
Please, we've been here before... Please, please, please explain to me how it is logical for one to be so vehemently opposed to something if one has never tried it? I'm just not following your logic AT ALL. It is UTTER GARBAGE to ASSUME that you know everything about something without first hand experience. You know what a "hypothesis" is? It's a guess. it's not FACT.0 -
There are so many flaws and holes in the concepts behind this diet. Like I said, most diets, if not all, can claim to reverse diabetes because it is the weight loss that is responsible not the diet itself. I do not believe that giving up so many foods without proper trial and error and process of elimination to see if those foods actually bother you specifically or not. That is where FOLLOWING a diet like this fails on most levels because it takes all the possible problem foods and cuts them all out. People accredit the diet when it is actually the removal of all possible problem foods that is what is responsible. It is lazy if you think about it. I say figure it out for yourself so you can claim you have your own special dietary needs instead of claiming to eat like a caveman. lol.
Yes, trial and error. Exactly. That's exactly what we have done! Why are you assuming otherwise? I didn't just pick up a diet book and become "paleo". It's "lazy" to work hard to find a way to eat as healthy as possible? It's lazy that I've spent thousands of hours over many years to find out why I am sick, what to do about it, and not to mention all the research I do in regards to history, anthropology, physiology, nutrition, health/disease, agricultural science, food politics, world economics. environmental science etc. Yeah, I'm f*&^ing lazy alright.
FYI: referring to eating like a caveman is just a good humoured joke that some people enjoy. Get over it.0 -
You stated that in order to have a valid opinion you must have first hand experience, which is complete and utter garbagePlease, we've been here before... Please, please, please explain to me how it is logical for one to be so vehemently opposed to something if one has never tried it? I'm just not following your logic AT ALL. It is UTTER GARBAGE to ASSUME that you know everything about something without first hand experience. You know what a "hypothesis" is? It's a guess. it's not FACT.
so male gynocologists that have never had babies themselves could not possibly know how to birth a baby. Psychologists that deal with marriage counceling could not help others without having marital problems or without being married themselves. People who aren't parents could not possibly understand how to take care of children. Can't you see how ridiculous your argument sounds. Look at him, do you think he needs to follow some fad diet. What he is doing IS working for him.0 -
There are so many flaws and holes in the concepts behind this diet. Like I said, most diets, if not all, can claim to reverse diabetes because it is the weight loss that is responsible not the diet itself. I do not believe that giving up so many foods without proper trial and error and process of elimination to see if those foods actually bother you specifically or not. That is where FOLLOWING a diet like this fails on most levels because it takes all the possible problem foods and cuts them all out. People accredit the diet when it is actually the removal of all possible problem foods that is what is responsible. It is lazy if you think about it. I say figure it out for yourself so you can claim you have your own special dietary needs instead of claiming to eat like a caveman. lol.
Yes, trial and error. Exactly. That's exactly what we have done! Why are you assuming otherwise? I didn't just pick up a diet book and become "paleo". It's "lazy" to work hard to find a way to eat as healthy as possible? It's lazy that I've spent thousands of hours over many years to find out why I am sick, what to do about it, and not to mention all the research I do in regards to history, anthropology, physiology, nutrition, health/disease, agricultural science, food politics, world economics. environmental science etc. Yeah, I'm f*&^ing lazy alright.
FYI: referring to eating like a caveman is just a good humoured joke that some people enjoy. Get over it.
Nope don't buy it. Who is we anyway?? Are you now speaking for all cavemen?? Following a diet hook line and sinker is not experimenting and making it your own. It is FOLLOWING another person's plan on what worked for them. Thousands of hours of research ha, I seriously doubt that. That is a bit of an exaggeration which discredits you even further.0 -
I started out earlier this month with cutting processed foods, like bread, pastas and such but didn't exactly follow the paleo principal. I guess it was more primal but the goal for me was to cut out the processed sugars and breads. I stuck to meat and veggies and some fruit as a treat here and there. I did that about a week before I realized that my cravings were gone and I felt more awake throughout the day. Even if I did feel tired it wasn't the kind of tired I used to have before I cut back on my carbs. Now I have added back in some processed carbs and some whole food carbs like potatoes and sweet potatoes but don't go over 25% of my calories with them which gives me about 120g of carbs. So I wouldn't exactly call this paleo or primal anymore but a modification that fits me. I have my macros set to 25% carbs, 30% protein 45% fat and also follow the eat more 2 weigh less group. I have tried to lose weight in the past and I really feel that I will be successful this time.
Another thought about the paleo/primal WOE is that it makes sense about how fat isn't the devil that everybody makes it out to be. I loved reading all the research about it and they have done a great job with referencing studies. Very informative and enlightening. Really in the end you need to find a way of eating that will work for you and find something that you feel you can stick with in the long run.0 -
I started out earlier this month with cutting processed foods, like bread, pastas and such but didn't exactly follow the paleo principal. I guess it was more primal but the goal for me was to cut out the processed sugars and breads. I stuck to meat and veggies and some fruit as a treat here and there. I did that about a week before I realized that my cravings were gone and I felt more awake throughout the day. Even if I did feel tired it wasn't the kind of tired I used to have before I cut back on my carbs. Now I have added back in some processed carbs and some whole food carbs like potatoes and sweet potatoes but don't go over 25% of my calories with them which gives me about 120g of carbs. So I wouldn't exactly call this paleo or primal anymore but a modification that fits me. I have my macros set to 25% carbs, 30% protein 45% fat and also follow the eat more 2 weigh less group. I have tried to lose weight in the past and I really feel that I will be successful this time.
Another thought about the paleo/primal WOE is that it makes sense about how fat isn't the devil that everybody makes it out to be. I loved reading all the research about it and they have done a great job with referencing studies. Very informative and enlightening. Really in the end you need to find a way of eating that will work for you and find something that you feel you can stick with in the long run.
Now this is really sensible and thoughtful!! Good for you on figuring out what works for you by your own trial and error.0 -
I am not on the paleo diet however, I am eating some of the paleo foods (pancakes, the coconut bread, etc.). The reason I am doing it is to find other foods that interest me and has a low carb count. I am diabetic. By eating this way will it eventually hurt me in the end or is it okay to mix it in with the way I eat?0
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Also check out the movie FATHEAD. It is a documentary that is available on netflix if you have a subscription to it. Also fathead.com for more information.0
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I am not on the paleo diet however, I am eating some of the paleo foods (pancakes, the coconut bread, etc.). The reason I am doing it is to find other foods that interest me and has a low carb count. I am diabetic. By eating this way will it eventually hurt me in the end or is it okay to mix it in with the way I eat?
It shouldn't hurt you at all. I like the pancakes too. I tweak it though. I use banana, eggs, peanut butter, baking powder, vanilla, apple sauce, cinnamon. yumm. Probably ok still for a diabetic.
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Also check out the movie FATHEAD. It is a documentary that is available on netflix if you have a subscription to it. Also fathead.com for more information.
I found it for free here http://www.filmsforaction.org/watch/fat_head/0 -
Also check out the movie FATHEAD. It is a documentary that is available on netflix if you have a subscription to it. Also fathead.com for more information.
I found it for free here http://www.filmsforaction.org/watch/fat_head/
Great! Thanks for the link. I will save it and pass it on when needed.0 -
But you tell me that my own experience is wrong. Brilliant.
Your finally getting it, good to see.0
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