This may be a load of rubbish but worth posting
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This is tin foil hat territory now, so I will leave.
Been that way for while. You hung in longer than I could!0 -
Oh, well, if you can copy and paste 20 paragraphs of made up facts and statistics, when clearly it must be true. :noway:
I suggest everyone crying about aspartame being poison check out the extremely well-cited article on aspartame at Wikipedia. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aspartame
Here's the short version:
-Although formaldehyde and formic acid are created during the breakdown of aspartame, the formic acid is excreted faster than it is produced. Furthermore, you can get a higher concentration of these from many fruit juices than you can from aspartame beverages.
-The FDA concluded that the flaws in the original safety tests were so minor as to not affect the validity of the final results
-The GAO then examined claims that the FDA had a conflict of interest and found none
-The CDC has conducted its own research and found no connections between aspartame and various illnesses
-The EU issued continent-wide approval of aspartame in 1994, reviewing the safety studies and appropriate consumption level in 2002 and 2006, respectively
That may be true but have you ever noticed how the majority of people who drink/eat aspartame are overweight. You would think getting rid of all those calories would have a positive effect. So why is it most people i know who switch to diet soda never seem to lose a pound? It's all well and good to quote facts for one side or the other but practical application in the real world is what I look for.
Are you kidding me? For anyone to think that just by switching to diet soda you're going to lose weight is rediculous, so many other factors have to be tended to as well like eating right, exercising and other such things. Just like you can't assume that diet soda can cause all these illnesses, you can hardly make the point in saying just because you know some overweight people that drink diet soda and haven't lost any weight makes diet soda a non working tool in total weight loss.
I drink diet soda, probably 3 cans a day. Yes before I began working out and eating better I didn't lose weight, however now that I'm taking multiple steps, plus drinking diet soda, because yeh I like it better than drinking water, I am losing weight.
My point being is, just because you can make a 'truth' fit any assumption as long as you leave all the facts out, doesn't mean you should.0 -
BEFORE YOU READ.... PLEASE DONT SLAM ME AS I AM ONLY POSTING FOR INFORMATION, NOT SAYING ITS TRUE OR NOT, JUST SHARING IT FROM FACEBOOK AS I FOUND IT INTERESTING.
Snopes.com
FDA.gov
mayoclinic.com
Heck, even Wikipedia, which I don't normally recommend as a reference.
All places you can do a little research about this never ending scam. Unless you are a phenylketonuric, aspartame is safe.
Yes, aspartame probably could kill you or cause MS or lupus or some other awful, painful condition... if you ate TRUCKLOADS of it. Did you know that there is a compund (quercetin) in the skin of apples that may cause cancer? You have to eat the entire orchard all at once, of course, but still.
A diet coke per day isn't going to hurt you.
* Edited for typo.
NO aspartame does not cause MS or lupus. These are autoimmune diseases. Please do not post about conditions you obviously have no knowledge of. These diseases have been around long before aspartame was ever created.
Actually, I have an autoimmune disorder myself, my dear, so I do know a thing or two about them. And no, I don't actually think aspartame causes them. My point was that ANY chemical (naturally occurring or otherwise) can do strange things to cells in a living body if ingested in freakishly enormous quantities. Some very useful herbs and drugs are deadly if the proper dose is exceeded. For example: nightshade has many safe, effective medicinal uses in small doses, but it is lethal in larger amounts. Nicotine is an addictive stimulant in the dose found in a cigarette, but again, is fatal in high doses and has been used as a pesticide to control certain bugs on crops.
Please do not presume to know anything about what I know when obviously you don't know me. (Hopefully the sarcasm came through there.)0 -
To be slightly less mean (but only slightly), aspartame has been proven safe for use (except by phenylketuronic-sensitive folks) in over 90 countries, it has been proven safe in innumerable studies over many decades, and the only time its safety was every called into question was not because of negative reactions, but because of a formality (the FDA wasn't satisfied with the methodology of the original safety studies).
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Oh, well, if you can copy and paste 20 paragraphs of made up facts and statistics, when clearly it must be true. :noway:
I suggest everyone crying about aspartame being poison check out the extremely well-cited article on aspartame at Wikipedia. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aspartame
Here's the short version:
-Although formaldehyde and formic acid are created during the breakdown of aspartame, the formic acid is excreted faster than it is produced. Furthermore, you can get a higher concentration of these from many fruit juices than you can from aspartame beverages.
-The FDA concluded that the flaws in the original safety tests were so minor as to not affect the validity of the final results
-The GAO then examined claims that the FDA had a conflict of interest and found none
-The CDC has conducted its own research and found no connections between aspartame and various illnesses
-The EU issued continent-wide approval of aspartame in 1994, reviewing the safety studies and appropriate consumption level in 2002 and 2006, respectively
That may be true but have you ever noticed how the majority of people who drink/eat aspartame are overweight. You would think getting rid of all those calories would have a positive effect. So why is it most people i know who switch to diet soda never seem to lose a pound? It's all well and good to quote facts for one side or the other but practical application in the real world is what I look for.
i lost 150 lbs while drinking coke zero. so BOOYAH!0 -
Aspartame causes cancer the same way sugar causes diabetes. As in yeah if you are sucking it down almost exclusively you will definitely have problems.
sugar does NOT cause diabetes. ask any doctor. ask a dozen doctors.
having said that, if a person is genetically predisposed to having diabetes, then eating processed carbohydrates (like, but not limited to, sugar) can certainly hurry the process of developing diabetes along.
but sugar does not CAUSE diabetes.
Actually sugar cause insulin resistance that causes type 2 diabetes...so it does!
Nope, try again. My body's inability to utilitze the insulin that is released into my blood stream is that cause and symptom of the disease. It would have insulin resistance on 1g or 100gs of sugar a day. It doesn't matter. I didn't make my feet so big from wearing sneakers either. They just are.0 -
Denise
PS different substances/chemicals, effect people differently. One person it doesn't hurt at all, but it can kill another.
I accept that some people may react to artifiical sweeteners - if you are one of them, dont use it.
But same could be said about many products - I know some people who get migraines after eating MCG for example and others who have analphylactic reactions to peanuts or eggs - doesnt mean peanuts or eggs are unhealthy for everyone else.
I have had no ill effects from drinking a few diet cokes a week so will continue to do so without any paranoid worrying.0 -
False: http://www.snopes.com/medical/toxins/aspartame.asp This has been circulating for 15 years.
Also, the 'facts' are incorrect. Diet Coke hasn't used aspartame in years. And, granted, Splenda is just as synthetic as the others, it does not contain aspartame. However, Splenda's not mentioned once in this rant, so there's no need for its photo to be included in this rant.
And seriously? "Especially with diabetics, the Aspartame passes the blood/brain barrier and it then deteriorates the neurons of the brain; causing various levels of brain damage, Seizures, Depression, Manic depression, Panic attacks, Uncontrollable anger and rage.Consumption of Aspartame causes these same symptoms in non-diabetics as well. Documentation and observation also reveal that thousands of children diagnosed with ADD and ADHD have had complete turnarounds in their behavior when these chemicals have been removed from their diet." Are you kidding?
Yeah, unnatural foods cause a lot of issues. Unnatural foods are bad. Case and point. Growth hormones, excessive antibiotics used in agriculture, firms like Monsanto producing genetically modified seeds for super plants laced in pesticides. (BTW, Monsanto's patent expired 20+ years ago; this is not new news.)
Sorry, I'll get off my soapbox now with - eat natural, eat green. Stay away from over medicated, poorly fed, genetically modified crap. Pure and simple.0 -
If you don't want artificial sweeteners, just drink water, or soda with sugar, or soda with natural sweeteners like stevia.
Now you can look up Fluride and Glutamate which are also Dangerous and should be avoided!!!!
Oh hon...you should be careful what you read.
Fluoride (correct spelling) is important in preventing cavities.
This is so true. I don't if this is the norm, but here in New Zealand we have fluoride in our drinking water supply to help teeth. I started drinking bottled water instead, and a year later found out I had an acute abcess in one of my teeth, not to mention around ten cavities!
I'm still drinking bottled water though. Because I like it fizzy.
But I do have fluoride mouthwash now, so it's okay. :P0 -
"That which can be asserted without evidence can be dismissed without evidence"
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If you don't want artificial sweeteners, just drink water, or soda with sugar, or soda with natural sweeteners like stevia.
Now you can look up Fluride and Glutamate which are also Dangerous and should be avoided!!!!
Oh hon...you should be careful what you read.
Fluoride (correct spelling) is important in preventing cavities.
This is so true. I don't if this is the norm, but here in New Zealand we have fluoride in our drinking water supply to help teeth. I started drinking bottled water instead, and a year later found out I had an acute abcess in one of my teeth, not to mention around ten cavities!
I'm still drinking bottled water though. Because I like it fizzy.
But I do have fluoride mouthwash now, so it's okay. :P
If you developed those kinds of problems from a year without constant fluoride in your water, you need to be checked for more than bad teeth.
If that's all it took, there wouldn't be a skull with a single tooth intact from the time periods before this was common practice.0 -
In the 1950s, ads in peer-reviewed journal, JAMA proudly proclaimed: ‘More Doctors Smoke Camels Than Any Other Brand.’ At one time, the now-debunked theory (espoused by many supposedly-intelligent-at-the-time-humans), that the planet earth was flat, was an undisputed fact. Just because we think we are so superior and highly-evolved with our science at this time does not mean we are unequivocally correct. Add billions of dollars at stake for the gigantic sweetener industry, and you may begin to have a tiny glimmer of understanding about the futility of asking any governmental agency anywhere in the world to go against the USFDA in asking for a recall and retesting of Aspartame as a drug, as our Aspartame Consumer Safety Network and Pilot Hotline all-volunteer organization has consistently done since 1987. This is a campaign that will be won or lost at the checkout stand. If consumers cease to use a product, whether for safety or lack of effectiveness, it will be history. It took decades for smoking to be declared an issue of gravest importance. Aspartame was approved in 1981. Do the math.
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I'm curious as to if there are any science majors out there who took genetics and food chemistry courses and are still scared of things that aren't "natural"0
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I'm not going to get into this debate (people have a need to be right on here regardless of what it is as if they're defending their religion.)
But I will say aspartame is one of the worst things you could put into your body. It's one of the #1 things I look at on labels to be sure anything I buy does not contain it at all.
I have never heard anything good come of it since I began learning about it 6&1/2 years ago. Nothing good at all.0 -
Your doctors are also trained to treat you with drugs, thousands of $ poured into the drug industry by dishing out prescriptions. How do you think the medical industry survive? Do you know that the doctors get paid by the companies for prescribing their products? That they make money out of you being sick? Why do you think the government want to keep you sick....they make money! The economy would have a meltdown if they actually got people healthy.
Don't buy into it. Take them if you need them but don't be blind to the difference that food makes. I know what it's like living with auto immune but I also know that it can be controlled and be put into remission with dietary control.
What have you got to lose by trying?
Actually the economy is melting down because of the Federal Reserve and their inflationary tactics. Doctors in particular, but health care in general, is a mess and too expensive because of government regulations on health care, not because doctors don't care about their patients. If your doctor doesn't care if you are sick or well, then find a new one.
Prevention did a survey last year (I'm trying to find it but I read it while my daughter was in the hospital I'll keep searching) and more than half of the doctors surveyed would prescribe a person a drug because the person thought the needed it. The doctor didn't want to argue with the person so they just wrote the script. Also, delayed waiting times in the doctors office happen sometimes because a doctor WILL push off an appointment with you to meet with a drug rep BECAUSE they will get kickbacks. THAT is not isolated! Medicine is a business like any other. It's great to think that it's all about healing and health but where there is money to be made integrity and morality will be compromised!0 -
Oh, well, if you can copy and paste 20 paragraphs of made up facts and statistics, when clearly it must be true. :noway:
I suggest everyone crying about aspartame being poison check out the extremely well-cited article on aspartame at Wikipedia. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aspartame
Here's the short version:
-Although formaldehyde and formic acid are created during the breakdown of aspartame, the formic acid is excreted faster than it is produced. Furthermore, you can get a higher concentration of these from many fruit juices than you can from aspartame beverages.
-The FDA concluded that the flaws in the original safety tests were so minor as to not affect the validity of the final results
-The GAO then examined claims that the FDA had a conflict of interest and found none
-The CDC has conducted its own research and found no connections between aspartame and various illnesses
-The EU issued continent-wide approval of aspartame in 1994, reviewing the safety studies and appropriate consumption level in 2002 and 2006, respectively
That may be true but have you ever noticed how the majority of people who drink/eat aspartame are overweight. You would think getting rid of all those calories would have a positive effect. So why is it most people i know who switch to diet soda never seem to lose a pound? It's all well and good to quote facts for one side or the other but practical application in the real world is what I look for.
I know lots of people who drink/eat aspartame, and they are very lean. Some people end up craving sweet stuff because of it, and for others, it satisfies a sweet tooth without the calories. However, it becomes a moot point when people are tracking calories unless it affects adherence.0 -
Also, do you notice how many overweight people eat chicken.Oh, well, if you can copy and paste 20 paragraphs of made up facts and statistics, when clearly it must be true. :noway:
I suggest everyone crying about aspartame being poison check out the extremely well-cited article on aspartame at Wikipedia. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aspartame
Here's the short version:
-Although formaldehyde and formic acid are created during the breakdown of aspartame, the formic acid is excreted faster than it is produced. Furthermore, you can get a higher concentration of these from many fruit juices than you can from aspartame beverages.
-The FDA concluded that the flaws in the original safety tests were so minor as to not affect the validity of the final results
-The GAO then examined claims that the FDA had a conflict of interest and found none
-The CDC has conducted its own research and found no connections between aspartame and various illnesses
-The EU issued continent-wide approval of aspartame in 1994, reviewing the safety studies and appropriate consumption level in 2002 and 2006, respectively
That may be true but have you ever noticed how the majority of people who drink/eat aspartame are overweight. You would think getting rid of all those calories would have a positive effect. So why is it most people i know who switch to diet soda never seem to lose a pound? It's all well and good to quote facts for one side or the other but practical application in the real world is what I look for.
I know lots of people who drink/eat aspartame, and they are very lean. Some people end up craving sweet stuff because of it, and for others, it satisfies a sweet tooth without the calories. However, it becomes a moot point when people are tracking calories unless it affects adherence.
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Right time to delete this me thinks.....again sorry for any offence caused....0
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I'm curious as to if there are any science majors out there who took genetics and food chemistry courses and are still scared of things that aren't "natural"
I study biomedicine, which includes coursework in genetics, biochemistry, physiology, toxicology, etc. I occasionally drink things containing aspartame. Not all the time, because I think it tastes a bit odd, but I'm not concerned about it. Many of the early studies of aspartame that I've read had ecological fallacies that have since been heavily criticized by many in the scientific community, and the results of those experiments have not been repeated in subsequent trials. Also, the amounts used in clinical trials far exceeds "normal" consumption in humans, and even then no reputable correlation between aspartame and disease has been found. I'm personally more concerned about the amount of button mushrooms I eat.0 -
Right time to delete this me thinks.....again sorry for any offence caused....
No offence taken, Happystars!0 -
I am glad your sister is on the road to recovery. Sometimes things like that can be hard to pin down. My Aunt bought a trailer and moved into it and started having some serious health problems after, feeling really sick and fatigued all the time. Come to find out later the trailer she bought had been used to cook Meth. She since moved out, the trailer was disposed of and now she is doing so much better. Funny how a small amount of the right chemical cocktail can cause such havoc on the body.0
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Why would anyone eat this garbage (promoted by Donald Rumsfeld as ceo of the company who brought it out) when they can have Stevia or make their own soda (water kefir) with some benefits rather than risks. Commercial soda is just water with chemicals, either high fructose corn syrup or aspartame. HFCS is causing fatty liver in children (according to my endocrinologist) and aspartame causes brain damage. The perfect test case: George W. Bush, he drank 40 diet Pepsi's per day and Princeton has calculated that he has an IQ of about 80.
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This thread is hilarious.0
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Wait! Wait! Let me get my tinfoil hat on!!
Ok, it's on. Proceed.
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So true! Allowing the government to make our decisions for us is the biggest reason that our health is in such a sorry state. When government gets involved, it becomes political, then corrupted. (The FDA is but one example of this.)
Monto who???
GMO is good for you.. right?? *baaaa*
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No doubt! Monsanto is the perfect example! :laugh:
Anyone who trusts the FDA has not bothered to examine the folks making decisions there. :smokin:
You know, I'm pretty sure I trust my cousin, whose job it is to review post-approval safety data in order to add new warnings to drugs or even get dangerous drugs taken off the market, to make decisions about whether things are dangerous or not.0 -
i sware! people on this site will go to all means to attack someone! i think i was worth reading. i dont agree with it. but the person who posted it did not do it to offend anyone. maybe they just wanted more information to know what to believe. the atricle suggested things to be clearly untrue. it was NOT the person who posted it. so instead of bashing the person and calling them disrespectful, inform them in a polite way with your opinion and views. if you dont have anything nice to say, then keep it to your selves! really! were all adults here! i cant believe i wasted my time reading those nasty posts and now responding to them.
im going to go ahead and drink my diet dew here and move on. you can read things and inform yourself and NOT agree with them too!0 -
Makes a lot of sense. I believe the story. Diet soda is a killer.0
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I see a bunch of sheep in this post both ways...... do what you do for yourself, and what you research. Baaaaaaaaa!!!!!!!!0
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