Vegetarians Live Longer and Healthier
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How many of you kill your own food?
I haven't killed something recently, but I've raised my own cows, pigs and ducks for slaughter. I've also hunted and field dressed deer, turkeys etc.
I didn't get put on the top of the food chain for carrots. These pointy teeth are for meat.0 -
I'll throw some fuel on the fire...
I'll see your Nigella Lawson and raise you 70 year old vegan Annette Larkins.....
All this proves is that genetics are the biggest determiner of aging... and diet can help but exercise is even more important to this factor... which the experts pretty much agree on, but carry on!0 -
Do we really need another one of these threads? They never end well...
Or eat it already
If one has recently visited a UK BK they already have.
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Oh dear, my parents shopped at the Pike Place Market in 1951, wonder how much horse meat I ate.:noway:0 -
Oh! I finally see what you are referring to. In my original post, I did refer to "most" cancers as being lifestyle diseases. I guess what I really meant was that the most common varieties of cancer (breast, prostate, colon, endometrial) are largely affected by diet far more than by genetics. Decades of research is now fairly conclusive that what we eat affects the development and growth rate of cancer. Clearly, cancer is far more complicated than that and eating a plant-based diet offers no guarantees, but the research is compelling enough to suggest in many instances that proper nutrition can be equally as effective as conventional treatment. Statistically, ones odds of developing these more common varieties diminishes significantly on a plant-based diet.
Are you a doctor?
Actually, my aunt just died of lung cancer, and I am very sure it had nothing to do with anything she ate. Ever hear of cigarettes? Nooooo? They're made of plants too!
I am at high risk of colon cancer, and in my case (celiac) it is a plant based diet with wheat, barley and rye that predisposes me to the high risk (which was determined by my genetics). So wrong, again!
There are loads of carcinogens in plants (plants are trying NOT to be eaten most of the time, after all... unless its a body part it was trying to get you to eat, like fruit), with proper preparation you can reduce or eliminate their risks, but some plants are better off not being eaten by some people.0 -
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I'll throw some fuel on the fire...
I'll see your Nigella Lawson and raise you 70 year old vegan Annette Larkins.....
Really? I'll take Nigella anyday over that skin and bones sickly looking Annette0 -
I'll throw some fuel on the fire...
I'll see your Nigella Lawson and raise you 70 year old vegan Annette Larkins.....
Really? I'll take Nigella anyday over that skin and bones sickly looking Annette
What's the point anyway, this woman is 73 and eats egg whites and chicken for protein...
Earnestine Shepherd is pretty awesome, and well... exercise is clearly where its at. Annette looks just fine to me, but genetics I'm sure is responsible for her skin quality. (her skin does look good to me... but diet is only a small part of that, not being overweight and drinking enough fluids, having a darker skin tone provides more protection from the sun than someone with fair skin (this is genetics), however you manage to stay at a healthy weight and staying fit, goes a long way to keeping things ok)0 -
Given everything I've managed to live through already in my life, the rest of it, how ever many years, days, weeks, or hours that is, are going to be enjoyed.
Every morning, I get up and ask myself "Self? If this was your last day on Earth, what would you want to eat for breakfast?"
Self always responds "Well, if this was my last day on Earth, I'd like to eat some bacon."
Today, Self confused me and asked for toast. Very odd.
Bacon for lunch.
The answer to most questions is usually "bacon". :happy:0 -
Who knew twinkies were the fountain of youth!
It's all the preservatives.0 -
I will never go vegetarian. I was vegetarian for a full year. I did not in any way feel healthier/better. I dislike how so many vegetarians/vegans live by the idea that their lifestyle is better than everyone else's.
I love animals.
But I eat animals.
And I always will eat animals.
Now give me some darn bacon.0 -
Each to their own...
I had a ham & lettuce sandwich for lunch today...twas delicious - just thought I'd share that0 -
Hi Pangui,I found this article to be encouraging, affirming and inspirational. I am so glad I adopted a plant-based diet. Hopefully, I too, can avoid the lifestyle diseases (coronary artery disease, type II diabetes, stroke, most cancers, alzheimers, and obesity) caused by the Standard American Diet.
http://www.theatlantic.com/health/archive/2013/02/the-lovely-hill-where-people-live-longer-and-happier/272798/
"The death rate from cancer for Adventist men is 60 percent lower than that of the average California male; for Adventist women, it is 75 percent lower. According to Loma Linda University, ground zero in the Adventist Health Studies, "Death from coronary heart disease among Adventist men was 66 percent [lower compared to their California peers]; for Adventist women, it was 98 percent [lower]. Stroke death rates for Adventist men were 72 percent [lower], compared to their non-Adventist counterparts. For Adventist women, death from stroke was 82 percent [lower]."
Thanks for the article. Personally, I am very nearly vegetarian, having returned to a plant-based diet after about 25 years of meat eating. I am not strict but most of my meals during the week are vegetarian.
I think its great and more people should adopt a well-balanced vegetarian diet.
Having said that, I don't think there is a direct correlation between vegetarianism and better health. I have witnessed some people with eating disorders masking their condition as vegetarianism or veganism.
kind regards,
Ben
Hi Ben,
You make a very good point and one that I would like to emphasize. This isn't about being "vegetarian" or "vegan". It's about eating healthier. I spent 14 years as a vegetarian/pescatarian and I was morbidly obese and my health was declining. Cheeses, fake cheeses, pre-packaged meals, fake meat products and artifical subsitutes does not constitute a healthy diet. What I am learning is that the closer we eat our food to its natural state, particularly plant foods, the better our bodies can utilize those nutrients. Foods like fruits, vegetables, starches, whole grains, nuts, seeds are delicious, satisfying and health promoting. While longevity may be a nice plus, the true benefit is feeling better every moment that we do have (quality versus quantity). I definitely feel at least 15 years younger than I did before I started eating better and the benefits were realized long before the weight came off. I love having lots of energy that I never had before.
Hi Pengui,
I couldn't agree more.
And that is precisely the dietary profile of what I am returning to. Combined with my exercise regime, I haven't felt this healthy and vital for decades.
kind regards,
Ben0 -
As a vegitarian how to you get 30-40% of calories of protien? Pm
Believe it or not, vegetables have protein, so do whole grains, dairy (if you are a dairy-eating vegetarian, like me) beans, tofu, nuts, seeds.......0 -
I will never go vegetarian. I was vegetarian for a full year. I did not in any way feel healthier/better. I dislike how so many vegetarians/vegans live by the idea that their lifestyle is better than everyone else's.
I love animals.
But I eat animals.
And I always will eat animals.
Now give me some darn bacon.
I do not believe that as a vegetarian I have the right to judge anyone else. However, there are certain benefits for health, the environment, etc. that cannot be denied.0 -
Hi Pangui,I found this article to be encouraging, affirming and inspirational. I am so glad I adopted a plant-based diet. Hopefully, I too, can avoid the lifestyle diseases (coronary artery disease, type II diabetes, stroke, most cancers, alzheimers, and obesity) caused by the Standard American Diet.
http://www.theatlantic.com/health/archive/2013/02/the-lovely-hill-where-people-live-longer-and-happier/272798/
"The death rate from cancer for Adventist men is 60 percent lower than that of the average California male; for Adventist women, it is 75 percent lower. According to Loma Linda University, ground zero in the Adventist Health Studies, "Death from coronary heart disease among Adventist men was 66 percent [lower compared to their California peers]; for Adventist women, it was 98 percent [lower]. Stroke death rates for Adventist men were 72 percent [lower], compared to their non-Adventist counterparts. For Adventist women, death from stroke was 82 percent [lower]."
Thanks for the article. Personally, I am very nearly vegetarian, having returned to a plant-based diet after about 25 years of meat eating. I am not strict but most of my meals during the week are vegetarian.
I think its great and more people should adopt a well-balanced vegetarian diet.
Having said that, I don't think there is a direct correlation between vegetarianism and better health. I have witnessed some people with eating disorders masking their condition as vegetarianism or veganism.
kind regards,
Ben
Hi Ben,
You make a very good point and one that I would like to emphasize. This isn't about being "vegetarian" or "vegan". It's about eating healthier. I spent 14 years as a vegetarian/pescatarian and I was morbidly obese and my health was declining. Cheeses, fake cheeses, pre-packaged meals, fake meat products and artifical subsitutes does not constitute a healthy diet. What I am learning is that the closer we eat our food to its natural state, particularly plant foods, the better our bodies can utilize those nutrients. Foods like fruits, vegetables, starches, whole grains, nuts, seeds are delicious, satisfying and health promoting. While longevity may be a nice plus, the true benefit is feeling better every moment that we do have (quality versus quantity). I definitely feel at least 15 years younger than I did before I started eating better and the benefits were realized long before the weight came off. I love having lots of energy that I never had before.
You can absolutely be a vegetarian and eat like poop. Doritos and oreos are vegetarian. Jus' sayin.0 -
Ouch, OP, unfortunately, meat eaters will argue till they're blue in the face with this one.
Come on over to these groups -
http://www.myfitnesspal.com/forums/show/62-happy-herbivores
http://www.myfitnesspal.com/forums/show/236-mfp-vegetarians0 -
I do not believe that as a vegetarian I have the right to judge anyone else. However, there are certain benefits for health, the environment, etc. that cannot be denied.
That statement is not true, or maybe I should say the implication of that statement is false. If you compare vegetarian to the Standard American Diet "SAD" yes there are certain health benefits. But if you compare it to a healthy omnivorous diet there is no benefit to being vegetarian. And as for environment, there is no environmental benefits to living the vegetarian life. In fact if you compare sustainable farming practices to sustainable livestock ranching, I would argue the veggies have a greater negative impact on the environment.0 -
Ouch, OP, unfortunately, meat eaters will argue till they're blue in the face with this one.
Come on over to these groups -
http://www.myfitnesspal.com/forums/show/62-happy-herbivores
http://www.myfitnesspal.com/forums/show/236-mfp-vegetarians
And so will veggie eaters, so what is your point?0
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