Vegan therories at 3 in the morning.

I am recently vegan and I was uncomfortable with the original post on this thread, which was ill informed and attacking and has given rise to painful and heated exchanges of views. Not surprising people think vegans are weird.

For me, I am well aware that eggs and milk are primary sources of protein and are far superior to meat, fish and vegetable sources in that order. My choice was made because I could no longer accept the ill treatment and captivity of animals kept in meat and dairy and the pollution directly caused by those industries. Simple as that.

My dog will eat grass, meat and eggs, drink milk and other animals’ faeces and all are to varying extent good for him. I choose not to follow his example because he does not have the dilemmas that I have to deal with.

Regarding vegan food deficiencies, there are supplements available which have been produced from vegan sources to address these – just a little research needed.

I used to soap-box – until I realised it is not the best way to bring people on board or even state a sound argument. I guess – to a point – I am enlightened.

Ommmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm!

I think you'll find that in spite of the arguments this type of thread inevitably produces, most people here don't have a problem with ethical veganism. It's evangelical veganism that tends to upset people. It's also not just evangelical veganism, I think people get upset with anyone who wants to tell everyone how their diet is the only correct one.

And this is why vegans have such a bad rep. Sometimes I think about going vegan but I would never call others out for their diet on a motivational forum or anywhere else. By the way, humans are omnivores, not carnivores.

The problem with being Vegan is that you can ONLY get vitamin b12 from animal sources. You HAVE to supplement a vegan diet with B12 or you will eventually become very ill indeed. Humans are carnivores - I respect the vegan ethic, but we're not designed to eat in that fashion for any length of time.

I eat meat, however you are VERY wrong. I'll list the ways.

1. Vitamin B12 does not come from an animal source. It is ingested by the animal, so technically you are getting second hand B12. It actually comes from bacteria from dirt. The animals get it b/c they don't wash their food before eating them. B12 can also stay in your system for YEARS, so if you were to get a supplement, having one pill every few months would be fine.
2. Humans are not carnivores at all. In fact our bodys are designed EXACTLY like herbivores.

Here is what we share with herbivores that carnivores do not.

- Our intestines - carnivores & omnivores 3-6 times body length, herbivores(and humans) 10-12 times their body length
- Our saliva. Carnivores do not produce saliva to aid in digesting food
- K9's. Our K9's are similar to other herbivores K9's, not carnivores K9's (or teeth in general.
- facial muscles - carnivores have reduced facial muscles to allow for wide mouth gape, we along with herbivores do not. (along with multiple other "jaw" reasons
- chewing - carnivores swallow whole (or don't chew they tear), humans need extensive chewing - just like herbivores.
- Stomach acidity - Carnivores and omnivores PH1 or lower, in humans PH 4-5 same as herbivores
- colon - simple, short and smooth in carnivores and omnivores. Herbivores - long, complex and sacculated
- liver - carnivores can detoxify Vitamin A - herbivores and humans can not.
- kidney - extremely concentrated urine in carnivores and omnivores. In herbivores and humans it's moderately concentrated urine
- nails - carnivores and omnivores their nails are actually sharp claws. In herbivores and humans - flattened nails or hooves.

You would have been just slightly less wrong if you said we were omnivores, but still wrong.
Even apes who eat meat are still 98% vegetarian. btw you can add omnivores to any of the carnivore list I did not - they apply, I just got lazy.

I am recently vegan and I was uncomfortable with the original post on this thread, which was ill informed and attacking and has given rise to painful and heated exchanges of views. Not surprising people think vegans are weird.

For me, I am well aware that eggs and milk are primary sources of protein and are far superior to meat, fish and vegetable sources in that order. My choice was made because I could no longer accept the ill treatment and captivity of animals kept in meat and dairy and the pollution directly caused by those industries. Simple as that.

My dog will eat grass, meat and eggs, drink milk and other animals’ faeces and all are to varying extent good for him. I choose not to follow his example because he does not have the dilemmas that I have to deal with.

Regarding vegan food deficiencies, there are supplements available which have been produced from vegan sources to address these – just a little research needed.

I used to soap-box – until I realised it is not the best way to bring people on board or even state a sound argument. I guess – to a point – I am enlightened.

Ommmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm!

I think you'll find that in spite of the arguments this type of thread inevitably produces, most people here don't have a problem with ethical veganism. It's evangelical veganism that tends to upset people. It's also not just evangelical veganism, I think people get upset with anyone who wants to tell everyone how their diet is the only correct one.

Yep. This. In the future, I may become vegan...but it'll be for ethical reasons. I am becoming increasingly more uncomfortable with how the animals are treated in the dairy and egg industry. I've made small changes that help me with those feelings, but I imagine down the line vegan will become my ethical food choice.

I know that I am responsible for the choices I make and the food I put in my mouth, no one else. I can share with people my beliefs and any knowledge I have, however I also look to do it without judgment. We are all on a food journey of some sort. Additionally, I have long had the notion that standing on a soap box preaching to people with a condesending attitude is not the best way for people to hear your message.

I truly don't understand the vast amounts of people who promote the use of egg whites and whey in everything.

Am I the only one here that realizes there are far healthier forms of protein that work just as well, if not better?

I"m the one with a weird "fad" for eating raw vegan? When people who are in their 30's and 40's are still suckling cow's milk like it's no tomorrow.

Cow's milk is made for cows. Human milk is made for humans. If your going to drink milk that's for helping infants grow can't you at least drink it from your own species? Hell, cows and humans are in totally different families. The genetic make up of their milk is far different.

Dairy is made to make a calf grow to 500lbs in under a year. A calf is around 1/5th the size of a full grown heifer, now a human child is 1/32th the size of it's mother. Does anyone else see what's wrong with that picture?

Has anyone else notices we're the ONLY species that drinks milk past the 1 year mark? Does that not seem a bit off to you?

Or maybe it's all the other mammals on this planet are the ones doing wrong. Maybe cats should drink goat milk and goats should drink raccoon milk and raccoons should drink kangaroo milk. That makes sense right?

The problem with being Vegan is that you can ONLY get vitamin b12 from animal sources. You HAVE to supplement a vegan diet with B12 or you will eventually become very ill indeed. Humans are carnivores - I respect the vegan ethic, but we're not designed to eat in that fashion for any length of time.