Please stop saying everything is starvation mode...
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"starvation mode' is an excuse people use to eat more often. Starving would be good for a lot of people.
REALLY? Last I checked the major principle underlying "starvation mode" has nothing to do with meal frequency and is almost entirely based on caloric intake.0 -
I swear if I see one more thread where someone says that someone is in "starvation mode" because they missed snack 2 or are eating 1200 calories a day I am going to have a melt down.
You have to not eat ANYTHING for 72 hours for your body to to into starvation mode and start turing to muscle to for energy. And even then the effect is pretty minima. Martin Beckham does a great job of laying out all the research on his web site www.leangains.com.
so if you skip breakfast you are not in starvation mode...if you do not eat an apple at 2pm you are not in starvation mode.
There are plenty of people out there (myself included) who skip breakfast, train fasted, and have our largest meal post workout and we are not in starvation mode. I have lost 3% body fat using leangains 18/6 which is an 18 hour fast and a six hour eating window.
Under eating can lead to a possible plateau but it does not mean you are in starvation mode.
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I swear if I see one more thread where someone says that someone is in "starvation mode" because they missed snack 2 or are eating 1200 calories a day I am going to have a melt down.
You have to not eat ANYTHING for 72 hours for your body to to into starvation mode and start turing to muscle to for energy. And even then the effect is pretty minima. Martin Beckham does a great job of laying out all the research on his web site www.leangains.com.
so if you skip breakfast you are not in starvation mode...if you do not eat an apple at 2pm you are not in starvation mode.
There are plenty of people out there (myself included) who skip breakfast, train fasted, and have our largest meal post workout and we are not in starvation mode. I have lost 3% body fat using leangains 18/6 which is an 18 hour fast and a six hour eating window.
Under eating can lead to a possible plateau but it does not mean you are in starvation mode.
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It is possible to be consuming less than your BMR or 1200 calories or whatever you believe your magic number needs to be to lose weight, but still not be malnourished and therefore not in "starvation mode".
You would actually need to sit down and configure your Kcals with a dietician to determine your nutritional status.
It's not just lack of calories that defines starvation, it is lack of nutrients in those calories. Are you eating "good" or "bad".
It is possible for an obese person to be malnourished but that's a whole different can of worms... :glasses:
But the slowing of metabolism is not a myth. Maybe it needs a snazzy new name like "Conservation mode," but the fact remains that after extended time of calorie cutting, your BMR drops, and can drop fairly significantly. The "Starvation mode" experiment found drops of up to 40%; other research I've seen using smaller calorie deficits found drops of 10-25%. If you use the 40% number, it's pretty easy for a woman to drop her BMR to less than 1000, meaning that you're doing all that self-denial and not actually achieving much of a total deficit.
Well, let's get that petition circulating to change the name to "Anything-But-Starvation-Mode"
how about we call it bull **** mode?0 -
I haven't read all the posts so I apologise if I'm repeating anything. Eating under 1200 calories continuously is bad for your body fact, to say it isn't is just ridiculous! Eating 1200 will prob be ok if you are a healthy weight or have a lean body mass, I aim for 1500-1600 and am still losing my last few lbs. But will need to eat more to tone and maintain. But this app is also aimed at people who have a lot to lose and if they eat 1200 or less then their body will think it's being starved and will hold on to fat. I don't think that is promoting a healthy lifestyle, it's just encouraging people to fail, as they will get demotivated when they don't see the lbs come off for the effort put in!!0
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It is possible to be consuming less than your BMR or 1200 calories or whatever you believe your magic number needs to be to lose weight, but still not be malnourished and therefore not in "starvation mode".
You would actually need to sit down and configure your Kcals with a dietician to determine your nutritional status.
It's not just lack of calories that defines starvation, it is lack of nutrients in those calories. Are you eating "good" or "bad".
It is possible for an obese person to be malnourished but that's a whole different can of worms... :glasses:
But the slowing of metabolism is not a myth. Maybe it needs a snazzy new name like "Conservation mode," but the fact remains that after extended time of calorie cutting, your BMR drops, and can drop fairly significantly. The "Starvation mode" experiment found drops of up to 40%; other research I've seen using smaller calorie deficits found drops of 10-25%. If you use the 40% number, it's pretty easy for a woman to drop her BMR to less than 1000, meaning that you're doing all that self-denial and not actually achieving much of a total deficit.
Well, let's get that petition circulating to change the name to "Anything-But-Starvation-Mode"
how about we call it bull **** mode?
Okay, we have two nominations:
A) Conservation Mode
bull**** mode
Anyone else care to make a suggestion?0 -
"starvation mode' is an excuse people use to eat more often. Starving would be good for a lot of people.
REALLY? Last I checked the major principle underlying "starvation mode" has nothing to do with meal frequency and is almost entirely based on caloric intake.
ha ha ,.. what!? Surely you can read between the lines. When someone continually eats, there's an inference that they're going to take in more calories. Put your dictionary up.
People aren't eating more calories at each meal so they don't 'starve', they just eat more often. That's how it is.0 -
I am glad you wrote this and posted it. I have had several people approach me with warnings of 'starvation mode'. I have been listening to my sister instead of them. She used the 1200 calories a day as a guideline, sometimes more and sometimes less. She lost 65 pounds over a reasonable amount of time, and has kept it off for more than a year. I try to stick to 1200 calories per day and have at least 5 fruits/veggies per day, and lots of lean protein. I rarely feel hungry and have more energy than I have had in years. Feel like I could run forever on my treadmill. I am not sure about everyone else but the 1200 calorie per day is really working for me so far and I am going to stick with it because I am getting great results!0
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I just thought this thread was starving for another post. I didn't want it to go into a catabolic state.
hey don't be putting my thread into starvation mode..that is serious *kitten*0 -
The My Fitness Pal site doesn't help this conversation in that when you finish entering your food diary for the day, even if you are below your calorie target by 50 calories, it warns you of going into starvation mode.
This was mine last night, when I was at 1145 calories out of 1200:
"*Based on your total calories consumed for today, you are eating too few calories. Not only is it difficult to receive adequate nutrition at these calorie levels, but you could also be putting your body into starvation mode. Starvation mode lowers your metabolism and makes weight loss more difficult. We suggest increasing your calorie consumption to 1,200 calories per day minimum."
I see no problem with that message. Maybe I'm in the minority but I'd rather err on the side of caution and address undereating head on so that it doesn't become routine.
UMMMMM but it is not starvation mode...
I don't really care--it's a matter of semantics...a technicality. The message is not improper. So I don't get hung up on "starvation mode"...it's easier for MOST people to understand than going into the science of metabolic adaptation and hormonal issues associated with undereating.
hey people used to think the world was flat and that was a matter of semantics too...or they thought the earth was at the center of hte universe..again semantics....0 -
I swear if I see one more thread where someone says that someone is in "starvation mode" because they missed snack 2 or are eating 1200 calories a day I am going to have a melt down.
You have to not eat ANYTHING for 72 hours for your body to to into starvation mode and start turing to muscle to for energy. And even then the effect is pretty minima. Martin Beckham does a great job of laying out all the research on his web site www.leangains.com.
so if you skip breakfast you are not in starvation mode...if you do not eat an apple at 2pm you are not in starvation mode.
There are plenty of people out there (myself included) who skip breakfast, train fasted, and have our largest meal post workout and we are not in starvation mode. I have lost 3% body fat using leangains 18/6 which is an 18 hour fast and a six hour eating window.
Under eating can lead to a possible plateau but it does not mean you are in starvation mode.
Please... Tell us when we can.0 -
The My Fitness Pal site doesn't help this conversation in that when you finish entering your food diary for the day, even if you are below your calorie target by 50 calories, it warns you of going into starvation mode.
This was mine last night, when I was at 1145 calories out of 1200:
"*Based on your total calories consumed for today, you are eating too few calories. Not only is it difficult to receive adequate nutrition at these calorie levels, but you could also be putting your body into starvation mode. Starvation mode lowers your metabolism and makes weight loss more difficult. We suggest increasing your calorie consumption to 1,200 calories per day minimum."
I see no problem with that message. Maybe I'm in the minority but I'd rather err on the side of caution and address undereating head on so that it doesn't become routine.
UMMMMM but it is not starvation mode...
I don't really care--it's a matter of semantics...a technicality. The message is not improper. So I don't get hung up on "starvation mode"...it's easier for MOST people to understand than going into the science of metabolic adaptation and hormonal issues associated with undereating.
hey people used to think the world was flat and that was a matter of semantics too...or they thought the earth was at the center of hte universe..again semantics....
you really think those are equivalent semantical errors?0 -
"starvation mode' is an excuse people use to eat more often. Starving would be good for a lot of people.
REALLY? Last I checked the major principle underlying "starvation mode" has nothing to do with meal frequency and is almost entirely based on caloric intake.
Nope. Its based on thousands of years of evolution before there were McDonalds in the lower income areas on every corner or Whole Foods in the rich suburban areas.0 -
Let's face it---fat people are never "truly hungry". ..it takes some adjustments to be able to listen to your body. I believe that I am now appropriately hungry at mealtimes. For the beginners--cut them some slack---they too will be in the promised land and know that their protestations of "starvation" were ridiculous. It's something they will be able to laugh about later. In the meantime just try to show some compassion. Onward to one-der-land
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On time (: Thank uuuuuuuu
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"starvation mode' is an excuse people use to eat more often. Starving would be good for a lot of people.
REALLY? Last I checked the major principle underlying "starvation mode" has nothing to do with meal frequency and is almost entirely based on caloric intake.
Nope. Its based on thousands of years of evolution before there were McDonalds in the lower income areas on every corner or Whole Foods in the rich suburban areas.
huh? please elaborate. There seems to be a HUGE gap in my understanding.0 -
I like Tom Venuto's definition of starvation mode:
"Starvation mode is a non-scientific umbrella term used to describe a cluster of scientifically-proven metabolic, hormonal, psychological and behavioral responses to extreme or prolonged calorie deprivation, which is common during many popular weight loss diets. Since your body can’t distinguish between severe dieting and starving, regulatory mechanisms are activated to decrease your rate of further weight loss, including lower physical activitity (NEAT & SPA) and increased appetite. Your metabolism also slows down more than you would predict for the amount of body weight lost (adaptive thermogenesis)In summary, your body adapts to energy-restricted diets and tries to restore you to energy balance or even back to your original weight."
(I have added the text in bold myself...)
I think the vast majority of the people on this forum will not encounter it but that does not mean to say it is a myth....0 -
I agree i get sick of hearing this and this road map **** from Dan that every one tries to preach to u!!!!! Im not saying he is wrong but come on let people do their own thing with out criticizing i got treated like crap because of this and its not right if i was doing so crappy why have i lost so much weight just saying!
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Thank you for posting this. You read it all the time and it makes me nervous. Thanks for the piece of mind.0
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I am on a 1200 calorie diet. I find it hard to meet the 1200 goal daily because of my glucose levels and I have to do low carb. I don't feel like I am starving and my BP is great and I am steadily losing weight. HOWEVER I do feel if I were to weight train or start doing some serious exercise that I need to eat more for my body to be able to put out that type of energy. Right now I am moderately active but soon thats changing. I also have ONE cheat meal per week, that I think helps move my metabolism. Do I think going under by a few calories ever so often is starvation mode? Nope. I also dont think 1200 is starving at all. I am eating better than I have ever eaten in my life. But yeah eating under 1200 for extended periods I don't think is a good idea.0
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I like Tom Venuto's definition of starvation mode:
"Starvation mode is a non-scientific umbrella term used to describe a cluster of scientifically-proven metabolic, hormonal, psychological and behavioral responses to extreme or prolonged calorie deprivation, which is common during many popular weight loss diets. Since your body can’t distinguish between severe dieting and starving, regulatory mechanisms are activated to decrease your rate of further weight loss, including lower physical activitity (NEAT & SPA) and increased appetite. Your metabolism also slows down more than you would predict for the amount of body weight lost (adaptive thermogenesis)In summary, your body adapts to energy-restricted diets and tries to restore you to energy balance or even back to your original weight."
(I have added the text in bold myself...)
I think the vast majority of the people on this forum will not encounter it but that does not mean to say it is a myth....
ding ding ding. Thank you! :flowerforyou:0 -
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I am glad you wrote this and posted it. I have had several people approach me with warnings of 'starvation mode'. I have been listening to my sister instead of them. She used the 1200 calories a day as a guideline, sometimes more and sometimes less. She lost 65 pounds over a reasonable amount of time, and has kept it off for more than a year. I try to stick to 1200 calories per day and have at least 5 fruits/veggies per day, and lots of lean protein. I rarely feel hungry and have more energy than I have had in years. Feel like I could run forever on my treadmill. I am not sure about everyone else but the 1200 calorie per day is really working for me so far and I am going to stick with it because I am getting great results!
You're eating good, nutritious calories for your 1200 so you're not starving but some may argue about your metabolism slowing down.
I'm glad it's working for you you're losing weight and feeling good 0 -
I like Tom Venuto's definition of starvation mode:
"Starvation mode is a non-scientific umbrella term used to describe a cluster of scientifically-proven metabolic, hormonal, psychological and behavioral responses to extreme or prolonged calorie deprivation, which is common during many popular weight loss diets. Since your body can’t distinguish between severe dieting and starving, regulatory mechanisms are activated to decrease your rate of further weight loss, including lower physical activitity (NEAT & SPA) and increased appetite. Your metabolism also slows down more than you would predict for the amount of body weight lost (adaptive thermogenesis)In summary, your body adapts to energy-restricted diets and tries to restore you to energy balance or even back to your original weight."
(I have added the text in bold myself...)
I think the vast majority of the people on this forum will not encounter it but that does not mean to say it is a myth....
RIght - I said that the idea of if you do not eat Snack two that you will go into starvation mode is a myth. I also said that if you do not eat for 72 hours then you will start to see the effects of starvation mode...so I think we are saying the same thing...0 -
Taken from Wikipedia:
STARVATION RESPONSE - Starvation mode is a state in which the body is responding to prolonged periods of LOW ENERGY INTAKE LEVELS. During short periods of energy abstinence, the human body will burn primarily free fatty acids from body fat stores. After prolonged periods of starvation the body has depleted its body fat and begins to burn lean tissue and muscle as a fuel source.[2]
Ordinarily, the body responds to reduced energy intake by burning fat reserves first, and only consumes muscle and other tissues when those reserves are exhausted. Specifically, the body burns fat after first exhausting the contents of the digestive tract along with glycogen reserves stored in muscle and liver cells.[3] After prolonged periods of starvation, the body will utilize the proteins within muscle tissue as a fuel source. People who practice fasting on a regular basis, such as those adhering to energy restricted diets, can prime their bodies to abstain from food without burning lean tissue.[4] Resistance training (such as weight lifting) can also prevent the loss of muscle mass while a person is energy-restricted.
2^ Dieting and Metabolism
3^ Therapeutic Fasting
4^ Ask an Expert: Fasting and starvation mode
So starvation mode is not about NOT eating but more about consistently low energy intake that causes the body to cannibalize itself in an effort to survive. You will still lose weight no doubt about that. Just don't expect it to just be fat loss.
I guess what we can say with greater accuracy is that a consistently low calorie intake will result in a slower metabolic rate making it harder to shift those stubborn pounds.0 -
I like Tom Venuto's definition of starvation mode:
"Starvation mode is a non-scientific umbrella term used to describe a cluster of scientifically-proven metabolic, hormonal, psychological and behavioral responses to extreme or prolonged calorie deprivation, which is common during many popular weight loss diets. Since your body can’t distinguish between severe dieting and starving, regulatory mechanisms are activated to decrease your rate of further weight loss, including lower physical activitity (NEAT & SPA) and increased appetite. Your metabolism also slows down more than you would predict for the amount of body weight lost (adaptive thermogenesis)In summary, your body adapts to energy-restricted diets and tries to restore you to energy balance or even back to your original weight."
(I have added the text in bold myself...)
I think the vast majority of the people on this forum will not encounter it but that does not mean to say it is a myth....
RIght - I said that the idea of if you do not eat Snack two that you will go into starvation mode is a myth. I also said that if you do not eat for 72 hours then you will start to see the effects of starvation mode...so I think we are saying the same thing...
Yep, different sides of the same coin
People should be armed with the full facts so they can make up their own minds of course.0 -
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I like Tom Venuto's definition of starvation mode:
"Starvation mode is a non-scientific umbrella term used to describe a cluster of scientifically-proven metabolic, hormonal, psychological and behavioral responses to extreme or prolonged calorie deprivation, which is common during many popular weight loss diets. Since your body can’t distinguish between severe dieting and starving, regulatory mechanisms are activated to decrease your rate of further weight loss, including lower physical activitity (NEAT & SPA) and increased appetite. Your metabolism also slows down more than you would predict for the amount of body weight lost (adaptive thermogenesis)In summary, your body adapts to energy-restricted diets and tries to restore you to energy balance or even back to your original weight."
(I have added the text in bold myself...)
I think the vast majority of the people on this forum will not encounter it but that does not mean to say it is a myth....
RIght - I said that the idea of if you do not eat Snack two that you will go into starvation mode is a myth. I also said that if you do not eat for 72 hours then you will start to see the effects of starvation mode...so I think we are saying the same thing...
Yep, different sides of the same coin
People should be armed with the full facts so they can make up their own minds of course.
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People should be armed with the full facts so they can make up their own minds of course.
Well, there's a thought...0 -
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