Food is Fuel

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  • Zumaria1
    Zumaria1 Posts: 225 Member
    I must say I agree with the OP. I lived outside the United States for 5 years, on a Caribbean island, where my diet and lifestyle totally changed. I walked everywhere (did not own a car) and ate fresh fruits right from the trees, fresh fish caught that day from local fisherman, and never felt better. It was a life changing experience.

    I lost 20 lbs, and other health problems I had totally cleared up, such as eczema, I had acid reflux, that disappeared, and some acne I had on my back went away as well. My cholesterol and blood pressure went down as well. I realized for the first time the direct impact fresh foods have on our bodies.

    I am back in the United States, and when I first returned, I tried really hard to stick to eating healthy, but here in this country it takes money to eat healthier, which is so strange. Those people over there on that island, some were dirt poor but their food choices is outstanding. Unfortunately I slipped back into bad eating habits, and gained back the weight I lost. I am now committed to exercising and eating better. I try to continue to eat as healthy as I can. Its definitely harder, but I do try. I eat out and love sweets, and notice the difference in how I feel when my diet is not the greatest.

    I also try to eat organic fruits and vegetables when I can,because whether they are more nutritious or not, they most definitely taste better. Hopefully some whose diets subsist of only diet bars and shakes can take a peek in the Food and Nutrition section and get some healthy ideas.
  • bcattoes
    bcattoes Posts: 17,299 Member
    *sigh* works for you, doesn't work for me. Can we play nice now?

    It doesn't actually work for me. I don't eat bars or frozen dinners. I love to cook and prefer the taste of my own cooking, plus the fact that I get twice the volume for the same calories. It wouldn't be sustainable for me, but my preferences weren't the point either.

    I wasn't aware that we weren't playing nice. Does disagreeing = not playing nice?
  • SnicciFit
    SnicciFit Posts: 967 Member
    Just noticed that you ate at Perkins, one of the unhealthiest restaurants in America, as well as had some Mayonaisse. Those are much better than Special K bars.

    Pretty sure I never claimed to be perfect. Yep, had brunch at perkins with friends after PRing my 5k. I do have a social life. Also, I make my own mayo. It's VERY healthy :smile:
  • bcattoes
    bcattoes Posts: 17,299 Member
    I must say I agree with the OP. I lived outside the United States for 5 years, on a Caribbean island, where my diet and lifestyle totally changed. I walked everywhere (did not own a car) and ate fresh fruits right from the trees, fresh fish caught that day from local fisherman, and never felt better. It was a life changing experience.

    I lost 20 lbs, and other health problems I had totally cleared up, such as eczema, I had acid reflux, that disappeared, and some acne I had on my back went away as well. My cholesterol and blood pressure went down as well. I realized for the first time the direct impact fresh foods have on our bodies.

    I am back in the United States, and when I first returned, I tried really hard to stick to eating healthy, but here in this country it takes money to eat healthier, which is so strange. Those people over there on that island, some were dirt poor but their food choices is outstanding. Unfortunately I slipped back into bad eating habits, and gained back the weight I lost. I am now committed to exercising and eating better. I try to continue to eat as healthy as I can. Its definitely harder, but I do try. I eat out and love sweets, and notice the difference in how I feel when my diet is not the greatest.

    I also try to eat organic fruits and vegetables when I can,because whether they are more nutritious or not, they most definitely taste better. Hopefully some whose diets subsist of only diet bars and shakes can take a peek in the Food and Nutrition section and get some healthy ideas.

    I don't think anyone is saying that overeating on junk is more healthy than eating fresh organic foods.

    You can catch fish to eat here in the US too, ya know. And it's only more expensive to eat healthy, if you think organic foods are required for healthy eating.
  • THExNEKOxCHAN
    THExNEKOxCHAN Posts: 134 Member
    Sigh. Clearly I'm going to have to get technical about how food is grown. Do try to pay attention. You might actually learn something.

    Conventionally grown foods tend to be an industrialized business. Vast irrigated fields of mono-crops, no biodiversity.

    What people don't think about, because it's too "icky" or too below their holy notice, is that soil is alive. Soil has nutrients. Soil has living organisms, millions of types, that people don't even know about.

    When you mono-crop for years (even just for ten years), you have one food type that is sapping specific sets of nutrients from the soil (just like humans, plants have nutritional needs too. Imagine that!) And then, oh no! Suddenly your mono-crop isn't growing so hot anymore. Well, we'll have to do something about that.

    And there enters the synthetic fertilizer. Though it may have boosted growth for a years, it was introducing toxic heavy metals and other waste into the soil. (Bet the soil life loved that!) Like wise, they weren't providing the proper nutrients, so while the food grew, it was less nutritious overall.

    http://www.turfprousa.com/health_effects_of_synthetic_fertilizer_3006a.html

    Likewise, mono-crops have pest problems. When you have acres and acres of the same crop, well... those corn earworms are just gonna march right through it all. Those cabbage worms are going to have a field day with all those brassicas. And the carrot fly? Well, hopefully, you're catching the drift.

    That's where the pesticides come in. Drench everything with the pesticides, and kill off all those bad bugs. And then watch it wash off into the soil, and kill those bugs as well.

    Now, suddenly, you're getting bugs that are immune to the effects of pesticides. All it takes is one bug surviving long enough to lay eggs, and now you're suddenly breeding poison resistant populations of the bad bugs you don't want. Simple genetics.

    http://whyfiles.org/062ag_gene_eng/4.html

    That's where GMOs come in. They started breeding corn that produced the toxin created by Bt (Bacillus thuringiensis), for instance. It kills by dissolving the stomachs of the bugs. It also kills the beneficial insects, because they have eaten the sickened bugs that were eating the corn. You've now wiped out the bad bugs, and the good bugs that were eating the bad bugs. Yet another ecosystem destroyed.

    Still with me?

    Likewise, they made several crops Round Up Ready. Like canola. Spray it all, drench it with the Round Up to get rid of the weeds, and then harvest it and process it for human consumption. Yummy. Eat that *kitten* up. And while you're at it, kill off more biodiversity.

    http://www.naturalnews.com/025534_Roundup_research_toxic.html

    So! Now that you have killed off all those bugs, killed off all those pesky weeds, killed off all the soil life and sapped all the usable nutrients from the soil, what are you left with?

    Poison soaked, GMO crops that lack in nutrition.

    Lets look at the organic method now. When I garden, for instance:

    I don't use synthetic fertilizers, poisons or other additives. I don't even use sulfur, which is a natural compound, or DE (diatomaceous earth) for insect control (also a natural substance).

    The fertilizer I use comes from one of two things: animal manure (composted) or kitchen compost (veggie scraps, crushed bone and eggshell, leaves, grass clippings, etc). That gets turned under. The soil life loves it. Why? Because what is soil made of? Rotting and decomposing vegetation, animals and *kitten*, essentially. Worms love it, the bacteria love it, the fungi love it. (People, however, seem to have an aversion to it. Sad people they are, too.) Hell, I'm even experimenting with no-till gardening, so I don't have to disturb the soil life much at all, just add layers throughout the year and let it all breakdown.

    Why do they love it? For one, I'm not poisoning them. I'm feeding them. I'm giving them a diverse variety of foods to break down and add to the soil. And when they break those foods down, and add them back to the soil, what happens? Well, now there are nutrients there that my plants can pick up to feed themselves. And when I go to eat the plant or the fruit, well, now I'm getting more nutrients too. Nice how that works, isn't it?

    I use only heirloom, open-pollinated varieties of seed. They are bred for micro-climates local to the area, and some are even resistant in their own right to disease... and without needing a massive chemical pushing cooperation inserting foreign DNA to make them so.

    What about weeds? Who the hell cares? I weed if I feel like it. My garden is filled with oxalis, but I don't mind. I have a crap load of twitch, dandelions, and the occasional thistle. I pull it when I see a need, but I see no point in poisoning it. Then the weeds either go on the compost (if they haven't gone to seed and if they don't grow by bulb or root stem), and I have a special bin for those "pest" weeds like oxalis and twitch, so that they can undergo hot composting to turn them into something useful as well.

    Another thing I do is rotate my crops: no one crop is in the same place every year. Since each plant has it's own nutritional needs, I move them around to keep them from sucking the same nutrients out every year. Thus, helping to keep my soil healthy.

    It boils down very simply:

    Good soil= Good food. Crap soil= Crap food.

    And that is just about growing food, never mind what they do to it afterwards when processing it for other products.

    This is a pretty simplified way of how I look at things. But hopefully you were able to keep up.
  • Zumaria1
    Zumaria1 Posts: 225 Member

    I don't think anyone is saying that overeating on junk is more healthy than eating fresh organic foods.

    You can catch fish to eat here in the US too, ya know. And it's only more expensive to eat healthy, if you think organic foods are required for healthy eating.

    Yes, of course this is true, I grew up in Maryland, and my Dad used to go fishing and crabbing all the time!!! I loved eating fresh fish and crabs cooked in beer :) However, I never learned to do it, and through the years I have not always lived near the coast. But now living near the coast, I am able to go to fresh fish markets and get some, but still the price on fresh fish has gone up.

    Its true that organic is very expensive, I I definitely think its better tasting, but when money is short I make do with regular fresh fruit and veg.
  • bcattoes
    bcattoes Posts: 17,299 Member
    Sigh. Clearly I'm going to have to get technical about how food is grown. Do try to pay attention. You might actually learn something.

    Conventionally grown foods tend to be an industrialized business. Vast irrigated fields of mono-crops, no biodiversity.

    What people don't think about, because it's too "icky" or too below their holy notice, is that soil is alive. Soil has nutrients. Soil has living organisms, millions of types, that people don't even know about.

    When you mono-crop for years (even just for ten years), you have one food type that is sapping specific sets of nutrients from the soil (just like humans, plants have nutritional needs too. Imagine that!) And then, oh no! Suddenly your mono-crop isn't growing so hot anymore. Well, we'll have to do something about that.

    And there enters the synthetic fertilizer. Though it may have boosted growth for a years, it was introducing toxic heavy metals and other waste into the soil. (Bet the soil life loved that!) Like wise, they weren't providing the proper nutrients, so while the food grew, it was less nutritious overall.

    http://www.turfprousa.com/health_effects_of_synthetic_fertilizer_3006a.html

    Likewise, mono-crops have pest problems. When you have acres and acres of the same crop, well... those corn earworms are just gonna march right through it all. Those cabbage worms are going to have a field day with all those brassicas. And the carrot fly? Well, hopefully, you're catching the drift.

    That's where the pesticides come in. Drench everything with the pesticides, and kill off all those bad bugs. And then watch it wash off into the soil, and kill those bugs as well.

    Now, suddenly, you're getting bugs that are immune to the effects of pesticides. All it takes is one bug surviving long enough to lay eggs, and now you're suddenly breeding poison resistant populations of the bad bugs you don't want. Simple genetics.

    http://whyfiles.org/062ag_gene_eng/4.html

    That's where GMOs come in. They started breeding corn that produced the toxin created by Bt (Bacillus thuringiensis), for instance. It kills by dissolving the stomachs of the bugs. It also kills the beneficial insects, because they have eaten the sickened bugs that were eating the corn. You've now wiped out the bad bugs, and the good bugs that were eating the bad bugs. Yet another ecosystem destroyed.

    Still with me?

    Likewise, they made several crops Round Up Ready. Like canola. Spray it all, drench it with the Round Up to get rid of the weeds, and then harvest it and process it for human consumption. Yummy. Eat that *kitten* up. And while you're at it, kill off more biodiversity.

    http://www.naturalnews.com/025534_Roundup_research_toxic.html

    So! Now that you have killed off all those bugs, killed off all those pesky weeds, killed off all the soil life and sapped all the usable nutrients from the soil, what are you left with?

    Poison soaked, GMO crops that lack in nutrition.

    Lets look at the organic method now. When I garden, for instance:

    I don't use synthetic fertilizers, poisons or other additives. I don't even use sulfur, which is a natural compound, or DE (diatomaceous earth) for insect control (also a natural substance).

    The fertilizer I use comes from one of two things: animal manure (composted) or kitchen compost (veggie scraps, crushed bone and eggshell, leaves, grass clippings, etc). That gets turned under. The soil life loves it. Why? Because what is soil made of? Rotting and decomposing vegetation, animals and *kitten*, essentially. Worms love it, the bacteria love it, the fungi love it. (People, however, seem to have an aversion to it. Sad people they are, too.) Hell, I'm even experimenting with no-till gardening, so I don't have to disturb the soil life much at all, just add layers throughout the year and let it all breakdown.

    Why do they love it? For one, I'm not poisoning them. I'm feeding them. I'm giving them a diverse variety of foods to break down and add to the soil. And when they break those foods down, and add them back to the soil, what happens? Well, now there are nutrients there that my plants can pick up to feed themselves. And when I go to eat the plant or the fruit, well, now I'm getting more nutrients too. Nice how that works, isn't it?

    I use only heirloom, open-pollinated varieties of seed. They are bred for micro-climates local to the area, and some are even resistant in their own right to disease... and without needing a massive chemical pushing cooperation inserting foreign DNA to make them so.

    What about weeds? Who the hell cares? I weed if I feel like it. My garden is filled with oxalis, but I don't mind. I have a crap load of twitch, dandelions, and the occasional thistle. I pull it when I see a need, but I see no point in poisoning it. Then the weeds either go on the compost (if they haven't gone to seed and if they don't grow by bulb or root stem), and I have a special bin for those "pest" weeds like oxalis and twitch, so that they can undergo hot composting to turn them into something useful as well.

    Another thing I do is rotate my crops: no one crop is in the same place every year. Since each plant has it's own nutritional needs, I move them around to keep them from sucking the same nutrients out every year. Thus, helping to keep my soil healthy.

    It boils down very simply:

    Good soil= Good food. Crap soil= Crap food.

    And that is just about growing food, never mind what they do to it afterwards when processing it for other products.

    This is a pretty simplified way of how I look at things. But hopefully you were able to keep up.

    Um, nice story. But how does this prove that organic is more nutritious exactly? Or that GMO produce makes us unhealthy?
  • Acg67
    Acg67 Posts: 12,142 Member
    Poison soaked, GMO crops that lack in nutrition.

    Nothing you just posted substantiated they lack in nutrition, nice wall of text though
  • BuffyEat2Live
    BuffyEat2Live Posts: 327 Member
    This is why I prefer to keep my journal closed.

    It is NONE of your business what others choose to eat, especially (but not limited to) perfect strangers.

    I enjoy a diet that is a good mix of healthy and not-so-healthy and perform very well while eating a 50/50 mixture of whole foods and not-so-whole foods.

    I respect those who go for a completely "clean" way of eating, but no more than I respect people who are even "dirtier" than I am.

    I don't like posts like this. I find them discouraging. :ohwell:
  • SnicciFit
    SnicciFit Posts: 967 Member
    This is why I prefer to keep my journal closed.

    It is NONE of your business what others choose to eat, especially (but not limited to) perfect strangers.

    I enjoy a diet that is a good mix of healthy and not-so-healthy and perform very well while eating a 50/50 mixture of whole foods and not-so-whole foods.

    I respect those who go for a completely "clean" way of eating, but no more than I respect people who are even "dirtier" than I am.

    I don't like posts like this. I find them discouraging. :ohwell:

    That's too bad. I don't mean to be discouraging. Just trying to open up an honest conversation. There are a lot of ppl on MFP that can't understand why they aren't losing weight (or meeting other health goals) because they think they are eating "healthy" when they are only eating manufactured crap food that is marketed to make them think it's "healthy". You can stay within your calories and still only eat candy bars and coke. The quality of what you put in your body is important.
  • sullus
    sullus Posts: 2,839 Member
    Sigh. Clearly I'm going to have to get technical about how food is grown. Do try to pay attention. You might actually learn something.

    Conventionally grown foods tend to be an industrialized business. Vast irrigated fields of mono-crops, no biodiversity.

    What people don't think about, because it's too "icky" or too below their holy notice, is that soil is alive. Soil has nutrients. Soil has living organisms, millions of types, that people don't even know about.

    When you mono-crop for years (even just for ten years), you have one food type that is sapping specific sets of nutrients from the soil (just like humans, plants have nutritional needs too. Imagine that!) And then, oh no! Suddenly your mono-crop isn't growing so hot anymore. Well, we'll have to do something about that.

    And there enters the synthetic fertilizer. Though it may have boosted growth for a years, it was introducing toxic heavy metals and other waste into the soil. (Bet the soil life loved that!) Like wise, they weren't providing the proper nutrients, so while the food grew, it was less nutritious overall.

    http://www.turfprousa.com/health_effects_of_synthetic_fertilizer_3006a.html

    Likewise, mono-crops have pest problems. When you have acres and acres of the same crop, well... those corn earworms are just gonna march right through it all. Those cabbage worms are going to have a field day with all those brassicas. And the carrot fly? Well, hopefully, you're catching the drift.

    That's where the pesticides come in. Drench everything with the pesticides, and kill off all those bad bugs. And then watch it wash off into the soil, and kill those bugs as well.

    Now, suddenly, you're getting bugs that are immune to the effects of pesticides. All it takes is one bug surviving long enough to lay eggs, and now you're suddenly breeding poison resistant populations of the bad bugs you don't want. Simple genetics.

    http://whyfiles.org/062ag_gene_eng/4.html

    That's where GMOs come in. They started breeding corn that produced the toxin created by Bt (Bacillus thuringiensis), for instance. It kills by dissolving the stomachs of the bugs. It also kills the beneficial insects, because they have eaten the sickened bugs that were eating the corn. You've now wiped out the bad bugs, and the good bugs that were eating the bad bugs. Yet another ecosystem destroyed.

    Still with me?

    Likewise, they made several crops Round Up Ready. Like canola. Spray it all, drench it with the Round Up to get rid of the weeds, and then harvest it and process it for human consumption. Yummy. Eat that *kitten* up. And while you're at it, kill off more biodiversity.

    http://www.naturalnews.com/025534_Roundup_research_toxic.html

    So! Now that you have killed off all those bugs, killed off all those pesky weeds, killed off all the soil life and sapped all the usable nutrients from the soil, what are you left with?

    Poison soaked, GMO crops that lack in nutrition.

    Lets look at the organic method now. When I garden, for instance:

    I don't use synthetic fertilizers, poisons or other additives. I don't even use sulfur, which is a natural compound, or DE (diatomaceous earth) for insect control (also a natural substance).

    The fertilizer I use comes from one of two things: animal manure (composted) or kitchen compost (veggie scraps, crushed bone and eggshell, leaves, grass clippings, etc). That gets turned under. The soil life loves it. Why? Because what is soil made of? Rotting and decomposing vegetation, animals and *kitten*, essentially. Worms love it, the bacteria love it, the fungi love it. (People, however, seem to have an aversion to it. Sad people they are, too.) Hell, I'm even experimenting with no-till gardening, so I don't have to disturb the soil life much at all, just add layers throughout the year and let it all breakdown.

    Why do they love it? For one, I'm not poisoning them. I'm feeding them. I'm giving them a diverse variety of foods to break down and add to the soil. And when they break those foods down, and add them back to the soil, what happens? Well, now there are nutrients there that my plants can pick up to feed themselves. And when I go to eat the plant or the fruit, well, now I'm getting more nutrients too. Nice how that works, isn't it?

    I use only heirloom, open-pollinated varieties of seed. They are bred for micro-climates local to the area, and some are even resistant in their own right to disease... and without needing a massive chemical pushing cooperation inserting foreign DNA to make them so.

    What about weeds? Who the hell cares? I weed if I feel like it. My garden is filled with oxalis, but I don't mind. I have a crap load of twitch, dandelions, and the occasional thistle. I pull it when I see a need, but I see no point in poisoning it. Then the weeds either go on the compost (if they haven't gone to seed and if they don't grow by bulb or root stem), and I have a special bin for those "pest" weeds like oxalis and twitch, so that they can undergo hot composting to turn them into something useful as well.

    Another thing I do is rotate my crops: no one crop is in the same place every year. Since each plant has it's own nutritional needs, I move them around to keep them from sucking the same nutrients out every year. Thus, helping to keep my soil healthy.

    It boils down very simply:

    Good soil= Good food. Crap soil= Crap food.

    And that is just about growing food, never mind what they do to it afterwards when processing it for other products.

    This is a pretty simplified way of how I look at things. But hopefully you were able to keep up.

    I don't like your tone, missy. Don't assume you're more intelligent, enlightened or educated than the rest of us. It's a mistake.

    Also TL;DR
  • krhn
    krhn Posts: 781 Member
    I love my crisps though! :grumble:
  • THExNEKOxCHAN
    THExNEKOxCHAN Posts: 134 Member
    I don't like your tone, missy. Don't assume you're more intelligent, enlightened or educated than the rest of us. It's a mistake.

    Also TL;DR

    Is that threat? Because I don't much like your tone either.
  • sullus
    sullus Posts: 2,839 Member
    I don't like your tone, missy. Don't assume you're more intelligent, enlightened or educated than the rest of us. It's a mistake.

    Also TL;DR

    Is that threat? Because I don't much like your tone either.

    Unsure how that could be construed as a threat. You're condescending. it's offputting. It makes your tone unlikable. The other part was just advice.
  • bcattoes
    bcattoes Posts: 17,299 Member
    Sigh. Clearly I'm going to have to get technical about how food is grown. Do try to pay attention. You might actually learn something.

    How long have you been eating this all organic, home grown, grass fed, unprocessed diet? What were you eating before? And, how has your health improved since switching?
  • bcattoes
    bcattoes Posts: 17,299 Member
    I don't like your tone, missy. Don't assume you're more intelligent, enlightened or educated than the rest of us. It's a mistake.

    Also TL;DR

    Is that threat? Because I don't much like your tone either.

    What do you think s/he's threatening to do? Come through your screen and give you a good smack? :huh:
  • jofjltncb6
    jofjltncb6 Posts: 34,415 Member
    Full disclosure, OP:

    I browsed through your food diary and totally judged you.

    Just thought I should let you know.

    :flowerforyou:
  • SnicciFit
    SnicciFit Posts: 967 Member
    Sigh. Clearly I'm going to have to get technical about how food is grown. Do try to pay attention. You might actually learn something.

    How long have you been eating this all organic, home grown, grass fed, unprocessed diet? What were you eating before? And, how has your health improved since switching?

    I know you aren't asking me, but I'll answer anyway :tongue:

    I don't know about the person who posted this, but I don't eat ALL organic, home grown...etc. (That would be really hard if not impossible). But after switching from a typical SAD diet about a year ago, to eating mostly organic, grass-fed, minimally processed, local food...etc, I've lost weight, lost body fat, gained energy and most importantly, my unexplained GI problems are under control. No thanks to the docs who had no explanation for what was making me so sick that I couldn't leave the house some days and suggested that I start a mirilax regimen (reeeeeaaaaaaaaal helpful).
  • SnicciFit
    SnicciFit Posts: 967 Member
    Full disclosure, OP:

    I browsed through your food diary and totally judged you.

    Just thought I should let you know.

    :flowerforyou:

    Awesome!! :glasses:
  • bcattoes
    bcattoes Posts: 17,299 Member
    Sigh. Clearly I'm going to have to get technical about how food is grown. Do try to pay attention. You might actually learn something.

    How long have you been eating this all organic, home grown, grass fed, unprocessed diet? What were you eating before? And, how has your health improved since switching?

    I know you aren't asking me, but I'll answer anyway :tongue:

    I don't know about the person who posted this, but I don't eat ALL organic, home grown...etc. (That would be really hard if not impossible). But after switching from a typical SAD diet about a year ago, to eating mostly organic, grass-fed, minimally processed, local food...etc, I've lost weight, lost body fat, gained energy and most importantly, my unexplained GI problems are under control. No thanks to the docs who had no explanation for what was making me so sick that I couldn't leave the house some days and suggested that I start a mirilax regimen (reeeeeaaaaaaaaal helpful).

    Can you describe what you mean by "a typical SAD diet"?
  • SnicciFit
    SnicciFit Posts: 967 Member
    Sigh. Clearly I'm going to have to get technical about how food is grown. Do try to pay attention. You might actually learn something.

    How long have you been eating this all organic, home grown, grass fed, unprocessed diet? What were you eating before? And, how has your health improved since switching?



    I know you aren't asking me, but I'll answer anyway :tongue:

    I don't know about the person who posted this, but I don't eat ALL organic, home grown...etc. (That would be really hard if not impossible). But after switching from a typical SAD diet about a year ago, to eating mostly organic, grass-fed, minimally processed, local food...etc, I've lost weight, lost body fat, gained energy and most importantly, my unexplained GI problems are under control. No thanks to the docs who had no explanation for what was making me so sick that I couldn't leave the house some days and suggested that I start a mirilax regimen (reeeeeaaaaaaaaal helpful).

    Can you describe what you mean by "a typical SAD diet"?

    High in sugar & processed foods. Eating out a lot rather than cooking at home. Eating conventionally raised meats & eggs. Heavy on grains, light on fat. Very light on vegetables period. I think that cutting processed food and going for more veggies & meat will have a HUGE impact. Going the extra step to eat more local, organic & grass-fed is a bonus and will most likely lead to even more improved health.
  • bcattoes
    bcattoes Posts: 17,299 Member
    Sigh. Clearly I'm going to have to get technical about how food is grown. Do try to pay attention. You might actually learn something.

    How long have you been eating this all organic, home grown, grass fed, unprocessed diet? What were you eating before? And, how has your health improved since switching?



    I know you aren't asking me, but I'll answer anyway :tongue:

    I don't know about the person who posted this, but I don't eat ALL organic, home grown...etc. (That would be really hard if not impossible). But after switching from a typical SAD diet about a year ago, to eating mostly organic, grass-fed, minimally processed, local food...etc, I've lost weight, lost body fat, gained energy and most importantly, my unexplained GI problems are under control. No thanks to the docs who had no explanation for what was making me so sick that I couldn't leave the house some days and suggested that I start a mirilax regimen (reeeeeaaaaaaaaal helpful).

    Can you describe what you mean by "a typical SAD diet"?

    High in sugar & processed foods. Eating out a lot rather than cooking at home. Eating conventionally raised meats & eggs. Heavy on grains, light on fat. Very light on vegetables period. I think that cutting processed food and going for more veggies & meat will have a HUGE impact. Going the extra step to eat more local, organic & grass-fed is a bonus and will most likely lead to even more improved health.

    I agree that switching the bulk of your diet from processed crap to whole or minimally processed foods can improve health. And I'm all for supporting local farmers, but I'm not sure there is evidence that it has health benefits.
  • sullus
    sullus Posts: 2,839 Member
    Sigh. Clearly I'm going to have to get technical about how food is grown. Do try to pay attention. You might actually learn something.

    How long have you been eating this all organic, home grown, grass fed, unprocessed diet? What were you eating before? And, how has your health improved since switching?



    I know you aren't asking me, but I'll answer anyway :tongue:

    I don't know about the person who posted this, but I don't eat ALL organic, home grown...etc. (That would be really hard if not impossible). But after switching from a typical SAD diet about a year ago, to eating mostly organic, grass-fed, minimally processed, local food...etc, I've lost weight, lost body fat, gained energy and most importantly, my unexplained GI problems are under control. No thanks to the docs who had no explanation for what was making me so sick that I couldn't leave the house some days and suggested that I start a mirilax regimen (reeeeeaaaaaaaaal helpful).

    Can you describe what you mean by "a typical SAD diet"?

    High in sugar & processed foods. Eating out a lot rather than cooking at home. Eating conventionally raised meats & eggs. Heavy on grains, light on fat. Very light on vegetables period. I think that cutting processed food and going for more veggies & meat will have a HUGE impact. Going the extra step to eat more local, organic & grass-fed is a bonus and will most likely lead to even more improved health.


    The "Standard American Diet" (S.A.D.) is a similar term, specifically used to denigrate what some authors say is the stereotypical diet of Americans. The typical American diet is about 50% carbohydrate, 15% protein, and 35% fat[5] which is over the dietary guidelines for the amount of fat (below 30%), below the guidelines for carbohydrate (above 55%), and at the upper end of the guidelines for the amount of protein (below 15%) recommended in the diet[6]

    From wikipedia
  • PermissionGranted
    PermissionGranted Posts: 203 Member
    I know when I ate those frozen "smart ones" meals every day for lunch, I was miserable :(

    Me too. I've completely abandoned frozen meals - even the healthy ones. Just not enough bang for the buck, calorie wise.

    Something I learned from www.hungrygirl.com is that if you add a bag of frozen veggies it bulks up you quantity while keeping the quality. Good stuff!
  • SnicciFit
    SnicciFit Posts: 967 Member
    Sigh. Clearly I'm going to have to get technical about how food is grown. Do try to pay attention. You might actually learn something.

    How long have you been eating this all organic, home grown, grass fed, unprocessed diet? What were you eating before? And, how has your health improved since switching?



    I know you aren't asking me, but I'll answer anyway :tongue:

    I don't know about the person who posted this, but I don't eat ALL organic, home grown...etc. (That would be really hard if not impossible). But after switching from a typical SAD diet about a year ago, to eating mostly organic, grass-fed, minimally processed, local food...etc, I've lost weight, lost body fat, gained energy and most importantly, my unexplained GI problems are under control. No thanks to the docs who had no explanation for what was making me so sick that I couldn't leave the house some days and suggested that I start a mirilax regimen (reeeeeaaaaaaaaal helpful).

    Can you describe what you mean by "a typical SAD diet"?

    High in sugar & processed foods. Eating out a lot rather than cooking at home. Eating conventionally raised meats & eggs. Heavy on grains, light on fat. Very light on vegetables period. I think that cutting processed food and going for more veggies & meat will have a HUGE impact. Going the extra step to eat more local, organic & grass-fed is a bonus and will most likely lead to even more improved health.

    I agree that switching the bulk of your diet from processed crap to whole or minimally processed foods can improve health. And I'm all for supporting local farmers, but I'm not sure there is evidence that it has health benefits.

    The most compelling "evidence" of the grass-fed, organic health benefits in my opinion is that the naturally raised animal products have a better balance of Omega 3 & 6. Being that the fat isn't full of hormones and antibiotics seems like common sense that it would be better for you. Also, for example, chicken eggs that are laid by chickens that scratch for their food and live in their "natural habitat" have more vitamins (higher levels of Vitamins E & A, more beta carotene...etc.). So, in that sense, I feel that organic, grass-fed, pastured animal products are healthier.
  • bcattoes
    bcattoes Posts: 17,299 Member
    Sigh. Clearly I'm going to have to get technical about how food is grown. Do try to pay attention. You might actually learn something.

    How long have you been eating this all organic, home grown, grass fed, unprocessed diet? What were you eating before? And, how has your health improved since switching?



    I know you aren't asking me, but I'll answer anyway :tongue:

    I don't know about the person who posted this, but I don't eat ALL organic, home grown...etc. (That would be really hard if not impossible). But after switching from a typical SAD diet about a year ago, to eating mostly organic, grass-fed, minimally processed, local food...etc, I've lost weight, lost body fat, gained energy and most importantly, my unexplained GI problems are under control. No thanks to the docs who had no explanation for what was making me so sick that I couldn't leave the house some days and suggested that I start a mirilax regimen (reeeeeaaaaaaaaal helpful).

    Can you describe what you mean by "a typical SAD diet"?

    High in sugar & processed foods. Eating out a lot rather than cooking at home. Eating conventionally raised meats & eggs. Heavy on grains, light on fat. Very light on vegetables period. I think that cutting processed food and going for more veggies & meat will have a HUGE impact. Going the extra step to eat more local, organic & grass-fed is a bonus and will most likely lead to even more improved health.

    I agree that switching the bulk of your diet from processed crap to whole or minimally processed foods can improve health. And I'm all for supporting local farmers, but I'm not sure there is evidence that it has health benefits.

    The most compelling "evidence" of the grass-fed, organic health benefits in my opinion is that the naturally raised animal products have a better balance of Omega 3 & 6. Being that the fat isn't full of hormones and antibiotics seems like common sense that it would be better for you. Also, for example, chicken eggs that are laid by chickens that scratch for their food and live in their "natural habitat" have more vitamins (higher levels of Vitamins E & A, more beta carotene...etc.). So, in that sense, I feel that organic, grass-fed, pastured animal products are healthier.

    You can get hormone and anitbiotic free meats that are not grass fed. Maybe research will one day prove they are heatlhier, but right now there just isn't any evidence of it. If it satisfies a personal nutritional need, that's one thing. But that wouldn't make it "healthier" in general.
  • cordianet
    cordianet Posts: 534 Member

    I know you aren't asking me, but I'll answer anyway :tongue:

    I don't know about the person who posted this, but I don't eat ALL organic, home grown...etc. (That would be really hard if not impossible). But after switching from a typical SAD diet about a year ago, to eating mostly organic, grass-fed, minimally processed, local food...etc, I've lost weight, lost body fat, gained energy and most importantly, my unexplained GI problems are under control. No thanks to the docs who had no explanation for what was making me so sick that I couldn't leave the house some days and suggested that I start a mirilax regimen (reeeeeaaaaaaaaal helpful).

    I think perhaps you're still missing the point here...

    Correlation does not equal causation. I applaud your success and am happy that you've gotten healthier. I too have lost weight (about 70 pounds), lost body fat (about 12%), gained energy, gotten rid of may health issues including persistent allergies my CPAP, & my BP medicine. All my blood work is now normal & my resting HR went from about 75 to under 50. So what was is my diet like? Pretty much the same as it was before, I just eat less food. As an example, last night I ate tacos. When I was at my heaviest, I would have thought nothing of eating 5 tacos. Last night I ate 2 and was content. Did I eat Organic, NOn-GMO minimally processed tortillas, beef, cheese, etc? No. And yet I had the same results you seem to have had. So in this case, does it make sense that the cause was the type of food, or was it in fact a combination of losing weight/fat & getting more exercise?
  • SnicciFit
    SnicciFit Posts: 967 Member

    I know you aren't asking me, but I'll answer anyway :tongue:

    I don't know about the person who posted this, but I don't eat ALL organic, home grown...etc. (That would be really hard if not impossible). But after switching from a typical SAD diet about a year ago, to eating mostly organic, grass-fed, minimally processed, local food...etc, I've lost weight, lost body fat, gained energy and most importantly, my unexplained GI problems are under control. No thanks to the docs who had no explanation for what was making me so sick that I couldn't leave the house some days and suggested that I start a mirilax regimen (reeeeeaaaaaaaaal helpful).

    I think perhaps you're still missing the point here...

    Correlation does not equal causation. I applaud your success and am happy that you've gotten healthier. I too have lost weight (about 70 pounds), lost body fat (about 12%), gained energy, gotten rid of may health issues including persistent allergies my CPAP, & my BP medicine. All my blood work is now normal & my resting HR went from about 75 to under 50. So what was is my diet like? Pretty much the same as it was before, I just eat less food. As an example, last night I ate tacos. When I was at my heaviest, I would have thought nothing of eating 5 tacos. Last night I ate 2 and was content. Did I eat Organic, NOn-GMO minimally processed tortillas, beef, cheese, etc? No. And yet I had the same results you seem to have had. So in this case, does it make sense that the cause was the type of food, or was it in fact a combination of losing weight/fat & getting more exercise?

    I see what you're saying. The whole organic, non-gmo thing is slightly off the original topic. I doubt either one of us would have lost as much weight and gotten as healthy consuming slim-fast shakes and Special K bars only. Because, let's face it, we wouldn't continue to eat like that for very long. Which is why so many people "fall off the wagon"... It's sorta hard to fall off the "eat real food" wagon.
  • bumblebums
    bumblebums Posts: 2,181 Member
    http://www.wannabebig.com/diet-and-nutrition/the-dirt-on-clean-eating/

    I would suggest focusing on your own food and not worrying about what everyone else is doing.
  • supermodelchic
    supermodelchic Posts: 550 Member
    Could not have said it better myself, also sad to read the young girls comments about puking and not eating enough for a bunny..