dont eat meat ever again!

look more closely - it's at about 125g right around the 1937 mark

And 1937 is 50 years ago? Guess your maths is as bad as your nutrition stats.

Lol! Arguments unencumbered by facts! :drinker:

Here is the problem. I do not think you are wrong and bad for wanting to eat nothing but veggies. You however do believe you are somehow better and more evolved than those of us who eat meat. (don't deny it) You are no better than the religious zealots that run around telling people they will go to hell if they don't believe exactly what the preacher says. You are wrong. You bought into a fad and you are wasting your time and mine by trying to convince any of us otherwise.

Ironic much?

also religious zealots don't base their decisions on real-world facts and science but on faith. there's no comparison.

Your science is junk and your faith in it is no different from the faith of the religious zealot. The meat eating crowed has millions of years of human survival and thriving to back its claims. You have 50 years of conflicting science. I would say you have the unfounded faith.

i eat meat.

hahahahahhahahahahahaahhah

It pretty much helps that I'm a lesbian and a vegetarian (mostly vegan...lactose intolerant, woo~~) because I just say "I don't like any kind kind of meat." and be telling the truth. It's amusing seeing people's reactions.

you're awesome

I've been veggie for 30 years and don't push it on people, it's just no fun having an argument over dinner. (I don't cook meat but share a house with someone who does, using the same pans etc. Doesn't bother me.) But people - including members of my own family who used to be veggie but gave it up - seem to have a real issue and make a massive point of saying something every time we eat together. It gets seriously tiresome.

I do lapse from being veggie sometimes - having anaemia from non-diet related reasons I got frustrated and ate steak a few times, which made no difference whatsover to my health. I quite like the taste of meat but don't want to eat it. My little lapses mean I couldn't 't really criticise others anyway, but I would quite like people to stop behaving as if my life choices are an implicit criticism of theirs and just have a nice peaceful meal.

This thread is about veggie / meat eaters and attitudes /reactions - not for you to get on your soapbox about farming methods in the USA.

Please start a new thread for that debate.

fair.

Without wanting to be confrontational isn`t this topic `divisive` like the Christian/atheist whole thing yesterday?

I have no problem with people that eat meat or people that don`t...just saying?

yep, certainly a subject bordering on religion. The evangelist zeal of the vegetarian or the carnivore. I have no problem with either either, other than I find it limiting to define oneself in such a limiting way as vegetarians tend to do, but that's only IMHO. What I dislike is hidden agendas and lies.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n5diMImYIIA

Without wanting to be confrontational isn`t this topic `divisive` like the Christian/atheist whole thing yesterday?

I have no problem with people that eat meat or people that don`t...just saying?

yep, certainly a subject bordering on religion. The evangelist zeal of the vegetarian or the carnivore. I have no problem with either either, other than I find it limiting to define oneself in such a limiting way as vegetarians tend to do, but that's only IMHO. What I dislike is hidden agendas and lies.

what, pray tell, is my agenda?

My only agenda is that I think factory farming is a really big problem in america and we'd all be better off if we ate less of it. If you'd bothered to read the link I posted you may actually agree with me.

a 20 year difference means I'm lying to prove a point? Fine, meat consumption has risen by 75% in the last 50 years. 100% in the last 70 years. Now can we talk about the actual issue instead of arguing semantics?

Now you're being disingenuous. Factory farming may or may not be a problem, there is nothing intrinsically wrong or cruel in 'factory farming', it can be done without cruelty. Eating less of it is not necessarily a solution, just what you'd like to see. And you're still fiddling the stats. A dip in meat consumption due to the great Depression proves nothing, you are then trying to compare differing situations, I can't believe you don't understand this, but maybe you don't understand how statistics work.

Now can we consider the factors which might explain why meat consumption has risen over the last century? Almost certainly this is due to increasing wealth and improving standard of living of the majority of the population as meat eating is seen as higher status than basic cereal or vegetable based foodstuffs. I have seen this first hand in Africa where poor people live on a basic diet of corn meal, any meat, fish or the like being considered 'relish', something to give flavour. When these same people become better off, they move to a more protein based diet with meat becoming a more important and a bigger part of their nutrition Vegetarianism, incidentally, is only possible in an affluent populace, or where the entire infrastructure is built around it, such as in certain areas of India and where it is a religious dictat. I could almost guarantee there were very few vegetarians during the war years in Britain when food was rationed.

My only agenda is that I think factory farming is a really big problem in america and we'd all be better off if we ate less of it. If you'd bothered to read the link I posted you may actually agree with me.

a 20 year difference means I'm lying to prove a point? Fine, meat consumption has risen by 75% in the last 50 years. 100% in the last 70 years. Now can we talk about the actual issue instead of arguing semantics?

Now you're being disingenuous. Factory farming may or may not be a problem, there is nothing intrinsically wrong or cruel in 'factory farming', it can be done without cruelty. Eating less of it is not necessarily a solution, just what you'd like to see. And you're still fiddling the stats. A dip in meat consumption due to the great Depression proves nothing, you are then trying to compare differing situations, I can't believe you don't understand this, but maybe you don't understand how statistics work.

Now can we consider the factors which might explain why meat consumption has risen over the last century? Almost certainly this is due to increasing wealth and improving standard of living of the majority of the population as meat eating is seen as higher status than basic cereal or vegetable based foodstuffs. I have seen this first hand in Africa where poor people live on a basic diet of corn meal, any meat, fish or the like being considered 'relish', something to give flavour. When these same people become better off, they move to a more protein based diet with meat becoming a more important and a bigger part of their nutrition Vegetarianism, incidentally, is only possible in an affluent populace, or where the entire infrastructure is built around it, such as in certain areas of India and where it is a religious dictat. I could almost guarantee there were very few vegetarians during the war years in Britain when food was rationed.

I'd written a response yesterday full with statistics and everything but the thread got locked. why'd it have to get unlocked? lol

if you're interested I'll rewrite it, but I assume none of us care anymore. i'm not going to change your mind no matter how many facts I post, and you're not going to change mine. good luck with your endeavors.