Has the whole world been brainwashed?

I laugh at paleo. How long did those people live again... 20 years? And I'm sure they were all spending their time at the computer too.

^This. Those folks from the past were paleo because they had no choice.

Do you think that most of the food produced and boxed today with the chemicals used, tend to be better than fresh vegetables or grass fed beef?

Because I don't think they are, and have had far more success eliminating them than not.

Are you familiar with the straw man argument as a logical fallacy?

I don't understand your perspective on what I stated. I am not refuting the paleo diet, I am just pointing out it's merits. Just because those similarities exist does not make this a straw man argument, I refuted neither one. In order for it to be a straw man argument I would need to refute the paleo diet, but then create an argument that was superficially similar. An argument that points to worthwhile parts within an argument is a very different thing.

Never mind. If you're not arguing in favor of paleo then I have no idea what how we are supposed to interpret your posts. I took your argument to be in favor of paleo by comparing processed foods against fresh vegetables and quality beef. Paleo is not the only approach that would support that.

I was responding to someone who stated they laughed at the term paleo because of what they believe it stood for, and I pointed out merits of the paleo diet that make sense to me.

Yes, and to argue in favor of paleo by making that comparison is a straw man argument. Many of us that are not on paleo still eat plenty of fresh vegetables, fruits, and quality meat. We just also happen to eat dairy, grains and legumes. The arguments against paleo have nothing to do with fresh vegetables.

I think you misunderstand the straw man argument then, because I didn't make one... To do this I would need to make an argument that was practically the same one, and refute the argument, without refuting the original position. I did neither of these things.

No. I clearly do not misunderstand logic. I cannot follow your posts, however, so the discussion is a waste of my time.

Not trying to offend you, but either you cant make sense of what I am saying, or you are using the straw man argument incorrectly. I don't know which it is. I am not sure how I can clarify it for you any more.

Why do people eat the rubbish processed stuff out there?

Its called marketing. They're good at manipulation and are paid to make something that's not even good for you look good enough to buy! ... They're way down on my list of professions I trust..,

When I hear 'paleo' I always find myself wanting to yell 'evolution'.

~shakes my head and gets to the point~

Yes, the whole world has been brainwashed, in one way or another. You included, though I understand that you'd probably vehemently disagree with me about that.

Doctors and nutritionists, for the most part, while meaning well, are often overwhelmed and in some cases tired of telling people what they deem as accurate information because people just don't want to hear it. In other cases, they are simply human and subject to the same failings as the rest of us. I've yet to meet a doctor who hasn't said 'don't eat junk food, don't eat so much sugar and fat, eat more fruits and veg', now imagine saying that even five times a day, three days a week, 48 weeks out of the year. Not only would you be sick of saying it, you'd also be pretty sick of the people who kept coming to you with ailments that could be alleviated if they just did those simple things. Imagine watching people you'd try to care for die because they failed to take your advice.

I don't disagree that removing processed foods from your diet is a good thing, even though I disagree with your full definition of processed. But realisitically not everyone, even those who are very health conscious, are going to want to do that.

Obsessive perfectionism is not a good thing, so I suggest you relax, and not stress about it so much.

I laugh at paleo. How long did those people live again... 20 years? And I'm sure they were all spending their time at the computer too.

^This. Those folks from the past were paleo because they had no choice.

Do you think that most of the food produced and boxed today with the chemicals used, tend to be better than fresh vegetables or grass fed beef?

Because I don't think they are, and have had far more success eliminating them than not.

Are you familiar with the straw man argument as a logical fallacy?

I don't understand your perspective on what I stated. I am not refuting the paleo diet, I am just pointing out it's merits. Just because those similarities exist does not make this a straw man argument, I refuted neither one. In order for it to be a straw man argument I would need to refute the paleo diet, but then create an argument that was superficially similar. An argument that points to worthwhile parts within an argument is a very different thing.

Never mind. If you're not arguing in favor of paleo then I have no idea what how we are supposed to interpret your posts. I took your argument to be in favor of paleo by comparing processed foods against fresh vegetables and quality beef. Paleo is not the only approach that would support that.

I was responding to someone who stated they laughed at the term paleo because of what they believe it stood for, and I pointed out merits of the paleo diet that make sense to me.

Yes, and to argue in favor of paleo by making that comparison is a straw man argument. Many of us that are not on paleo still eat plenty of fresh vegetables, fruits, and quality meat. We just also happen to eat dairy, grains and legumes. The arguments against paleo have nothing to do with fresh vegetables.

I think you misunderstand the straw man argument then, because I didn't make one... To do this I would need to make an argument that was practically the same one, and refute the argument, without refuting the original position. I did neither of these things.

No. I clearly do not misunderstand logic. I cannot follow your posts, however, so the discussion is a waste of my time.

Not trying to offend you, but either you cant make sense of what I am saying, or you are using the straw man argument incorrectly. I don't know which it is. I am not sure how I can clarify it for you any more.

I'm pretty sure we're talking past each other. I think you are just highlighting some positives of paleo without supporting it all then? Not trying to offend you either.

Those who claim they don't eat "processed" food are often fooling themselves.

I'm pretty sure we're talking past each other. I think you are just highlighting some positives of paleo without supporting it all then? Not trying to offend you either.

Yes

Grits are ground corn, and they are very popular in the southeastern U.S. primarily as a breakfast food, though you really haven't experienced Southern cousin until you've had shrimp and grits. They remain a regional staple. I grew up on them and love them.

I always that grits were made of wheat. Guess that's why I'm a Yankee-girl.

I'm a Yankee, married to a Southerner. I'll never forget the first time I went to visit his family and saw Quaker Instant Grits in the grocery store. Like, who knew they existed?

Haven't you ever seen "My Cousin Vinny"?

"No self respecting southerner uses instant grits!"

Because all my life I was always told I was a greedy child and needed to stop eating. I never considered that it was what I was eating.

This is a very good point. People are driven to eat based on hormones. If what you eat messes with those hormones, you will have a very hard to ignore desire for more food.

Our bodies weren't designed to eat soy protein isolate either. Do your research on that.

Yes, we have been brainwashed. Those, especially, who "diet" have been brainwashed. The food industry is a for-profit industry. So is the healthcare industry...

I'm still trying to figure out who Jillian Anderson is.

Scully from the X-files is my guess. Though I believe that's Gillian