Why does it still feel like I'm torturing myself?
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well, I skipped from the originial post to the last page of comments and it's gone from a pretty legit concern to people fighting about cake. Anyway, I've lost 15 pounds and at first, it was hard to give up "my foods", the pizza, the chocolate, the creamy foods, the regular soda. But I've let myself keep some of those things, but in controlled portions. Like, I love French dressing...I mean, I could drink the stuff, so that gave me the motivation to eat a salad every day for lunch. Then, I bought light French dressing and it tastes exactly the same and now I get super excited for my salad at lunch because I get to have French dressing! (rereading this sentence just made me feel like a loser). My husband also figured out a way to make awesome pita bread pizzas so I get my pizza fix and when I'm desperate for chocolate, I have a snack pack sugar free chocolate pudding cup for 70 cals. You've got to figure out ways to keep yourself happy or I don't think the weight loss will last in the long-term.0
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As serious as someone eating chocolate cake for breakfast and giving advice on a weightless website.I understand. I think its funny that its been proven that snack foods are genetically modified to make you want more, more, more.
Characteristics Of Successful Snack Food
Finally, it would not be satiating.
No matter how much you ate, you would never be satisfied.
^^ since its been proven that biologically your body will want more, tell me again how you eat 1 cookie or 1 chip and have ZERO desire for another one, because it just isn't possible. Sure self control, but why torture yourself with that reaction your brain AUTOMATICALLY has to want more?
Oh my. Are you serious?
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I always have this problem where I think I want more and I think I am still hungry and think I'm craving something when I really am not, and am just used to old habits. One thing I do to myself is ask myself, if you were to leave right now even though you think you are still hungry, would you really be hungry still and say you should have eaten more? If I can say no then I know I am not hungry anymore.0
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I felt like I was torturing myself until I tweaked my breakfast.
On the whole, I try to keep my regimen as close to normal eating as I can, minus a lot of the fat, calories, and sugar. I stick with healthy proteins, veggies, and fruits, and stay away from artificial sweaters and "diet foods." I stay as far away from the middle aisle of the grogery store as possible.0 -
As serious as someone eating chocolate cake for breakfast and giving advice on a weightless website.I understand. I think its funny that its been proven that snack foods are genetically modified to make you want more, more, more.
Characteristics Of Successful Snack Food
Finally, it would not be satiating.
No matter how much you ate, you would never be satisfied.
^^ since its been proven that biologically your body will want more, tell me again how you eat 1 cookie or 1 chip and have ZERO desire for another one, because it just isn't possible. Sure self control, but why torture yourself with that reaction your brain AUTOMATICALLY has to want more?
Oh my. Are you serious?
Is it the breakfast part that you object to? I'm confused about why it matters whether the cake is for breakfast or not.0 -
Mental health is important.0
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Mental health is important.
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I know all about moderation and I am still not going to buy a bunch of junk food while I am trying to diet because YES that is counter productive to my goals. A BETTER basic skill for me is learning to live with out processed junk foods and candy. THAT is a much better skill.
I think it is counterproductive to avoid learning a basic life skill as important as moderation. It is a learned skill, it is not something a person decides to have one moment and then magically has for the rest of their life. Just like all learning experiences, people are going to fail at it before they become good at it. But those who make the effort to learn it get to live like grownups and enjoy their lives, instead of living in deprivation and fear.I think most fat people got into these situations because of "control" problems. So its very counter productive to still eat those things.
Its cute how you use flame turms like "us grown ups" sure I know LOTS of grown ups that eat cupcakes for breakfast or eat half a pizza in one sitting because that is the NORM around here apparently,. What a joke.
Actually, these people you're calling a joke have been very successful. Nobody is saying eat junk food all day every day...people are saying that you can enjoy "bad" foods in moderation as part of an overall, healthy and balanced diet. Apparently you wouldn't know anything about that.0 -
Except its been proven people get sugar addictions and caffeine addictions and since those are both found in tones of common foods, its very easy to get addicted to.Would you tell a drunk its ok to have one drink? Oh but its ok have self control and everything in moderation.
I knew you'd get around to that sooner or later. Food is not comparable to alcohol or drugs. You need food to live and telling someone they have to give up food because they have an "addiction" to it would be ludicrous. No one is addicted to food in the same way they are to a mind altering substance. Don't even go there.
You may have tendencies to over eat, feel compelled to eat certain foods for satisfaction but it's a learned behaviour which can be changed and it doesn't have to be done through deprivation.
NOTE: I removed your original quote so you don't need to keep going back to it.
Caffeine is a drug and is addictive. Sugar is a food and is a craving not an addiction.
We could have a battle of wits here but I really hate fighting with someone who is unarmed.
People can become addicted to food.
http://www.webmd.com/mental-health/mental-health-food-addiction.0 -
When I started reading this, I thought, yeah someone else gets it! I do not like many veggies, really only green beans and corn. I do not enjoy eating healthy, at all. I have lost about 12 lbs since Dec. when I started MFP, but I have a lot more to go!! I still feel like it is a challenge to eat healthy. I keep thinking when I keep losing it will be easier to say no to the things I shouldn't have, but i am not there yet. I am trying to enjoy my foods, I can tolerate what I am eating, but I am not enjoying it. I just wanted to agree with the person who started this thread. Anyone who want to give me tips or friend me, that is great!0
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Science is still out on that one. It's also referred to as a compulsion or obsession which is different than an actual addiction. There are some people who have huge problems with food intake but for most of us it's laziness, lack of understanding, and lack of self discipline.0 -
I'm still waiting on a logical response to their argument of "you can't seriously tell people it's okay to eat cake for breakfast" followed in the same breath with "everything is fine in moderation."
Since the two don't work well together... but we're wrong about the whole thing.0 -
Why are you not eating the foods you want? This is all about a calorie deficit. If you want a burger, fit it in. If you want cake, fit it in. If you have to exercise to be able to have your burger or cake, do it. You don't have to 'torture' yourself. I've had plenty of 'off' days and I still lose weight. It's not about restriction but being balanced/
This. I just had chocolate for dinner. And what?! Still under TDEE for the day and week.0 -
When I started reading this, I thought, yeah someone else gets it! I do not like many veggies, really only green beans and corn. I do not enjoy eating healthy, at all. I have lost about 12 lbs since Dec. when I started MFP, but I have a lot more to go!! I still feel like it is a challenge to eat healthy. I keep thinking when I keep losing it will be easier to say no to the things I shouldn't have, but i am not there yet. I am trying to enjoy my foods, I can tolerate what I am eating, but I am not enjoying it. I just wanted to agree with the person who started this thread. Anyone who want to give me tips or friend me, that is great!
My question would be "What are you eating?". I don't know if this is true of you or not, but when many people think of losing weight and eating healthy they immediately think salads and steamed vegetables and baked lean meats/fish.
And while there is nothing wrong with those foods - they are indeed healthy - it's not necessary to eat only those types of foods unless you have a medical condition requiring diet restriction.0 -
The bottom line is that you don't have to be healthy to lose weight.
Is it better to be healthy? Yes.
My version of healthy includes foods from all food types.0 -
Science is still out on that one. It's also referred to as a compulsion or obsession which is different than an actual addiction. There are some people who have huge problems with food intake but for most of us it's laziness, lack of understanding, and lack of self discipline.
I won't get into an argument over psychological addiction vs. physical addiction. There is plenty of information available for anyone that wants to research it. But what is true for most of us doesn't change what may be true for some. If it did, we'd all bunnies that can't eat one cookie.0 -
I was going to take a look at your food diary to see what you've been doing different, but it is locked. Are you eating foods that are delicious? Even if it is something that is different than you've been doing, if you are not enjoying your meals or are forcing yourself to eat foods you don't like it is going to feel like you are denying yourself the pleasure of eating.
Food is supposed to taste good, and exercise is supposed to be fun. Otherwise a fit and healthy lifestyle is just not sustainable.
AGREED. Very well stated. Relegating certain foods to the "bad, do not eat" column makes a healthy lifestyle miserable.0 -
I was going to take a look at your food diary to see what you've been doing different, but it is locked. Are you eating foods that are delicious? Even if it is something that is different than you've been doing, if you are not enjoying your meals or are forcing yourself to eat foods you don't like it is going to feel like you are denying yourself the pleasure of eating.
Food is supposed to taste good, and exercise is supposed to be fun. Otherwise a fit and healthy lifestyle is just not sustainable.
AGREED. Very well stated. Relegating certain foods to the "bad, do not eat" column makes a healthy lifestyle miserable.
After losing 20 some pounds in about six weeks, I am also wondering if you are eating enough.0 -
I understand. I think its funny that its been proven that snack foods are genetically modified to make you want more, more, more.
Characteristics Of Successful Snack Food
Finally, it would not be satiating.
No matter how much you ate, you would never be satisfied.
^^ since its been proven that biologically your body will want more, tell me again how you eat 1 cookie or 1 chip and have ZERO desire for another one, because it just isn't possible. Sure self control, but why torture yourself with that reaction your brain AUTOMATICALLY has to want more?
lolwut?0 -
I understand. I think its funny that its been proven that snack foods are genetically modified to make you want more, more, more.
Characteristics Of Successful Snack Food
Finally, it would not be satiating.
No matter how much you ate, you would never be satisfied.
^^ since its been proven that biologically your body will want more, tell me again how you eat 1 cookie or 1 chip and have ZERO desire for another one, because it just isn't possible. Sure self control, but why torture yourself with that reaction your brain AUTOMATICALLY has to want more?
Please provide some reference to this proof? That is one of the most ludicrous statements I've seen.0 -
EVERYONE knows people can become addicted to food. This is like old news is old type of thing. Battle of wits with someone who isn't even smart enough to know that sugar has been proven to be highly addictive? Yeah that's a joke. This is very old news, like really lol hahaahha
Except its been proven people get sugar addictions and caffeine addictions and since those are both found in tones of common foods, its very easy to get addicted to.Would you tell a drunk its ok to have one drink? Oh but its ok have self control and everything in moderation.
I knew you'd get around to that sooner or later. Food is not comparable to alcohol or drugs. You need food to live and telling someone they have to give up food because they have an "addiction" to it would be ludicrous. No one is addicted to food in the same way they are to a mind altering substance. Don't even go there.
You may have tendencies to over eat, feel compelled to eat certain foods for satisfaction but it's a learned behaviour which can be changed and it doesn't have to be done through deprivation.
NOTE: I removed your original quote so you don't need to keep going back to it.
Caffeine is a drug and is addictive. Sugar is a food and is a craving not an addiction.
We could have a battle of wits here but I really hate fighting with someone who is unarmed.
People can become addicted to food.
http://www.webmd.com/mental-health/mental-health-food-addiction.0 -
http://www.gnolls.org/2074/why-snack-food-is-addictive-the-grand-unified-theory-of-snack-appeal/
http://www.webmd.com/diet/ss/slideshow-sugar-addiction
Your Brain on Sugar
Sugar fuels every cell in the brain. When you overload on sugary foods, it may alter the parts of the brain that control how much you eat. In lab studies, rats that binged on sugar had brain changes like those of getting off drugs. In humans, just seeing pictures of milkshakes triggered brain effects like those seen in drug addicts. It was strongest in women whose answers showed they were more hooked on eating.
http://www.nydailynews.com/life-style/health/researcher-sugar-addictive-cocaine-obesity-diabetes-cancer-heart-disease-article-1.10544190 -
Who cares? This has nothing to do with the topic. People can become addicted to any behavior. It doesn't mean people should stop all behavior. This is as reasonable as suggesting nobody should ever eat shellfish because some people are allergic to it.EVERYONE knows people can become addicted to food. This is like old news is old type of thing. Battle of wits with someone who isn't even smart enough to know that sugar has been proven to be highly addictive? Yeah that's a joke. This is very old news, like really lol hahaahha
I'm not obese. I have never been obese. I live in the real world. Your worldview conflicts with observed reality.The real world? YOu mean where people feed their kids McDonald and everyone eats fast food and is obese? LOOK AROUND that is the real worldI know all about moderation and I am still not going to buy a bunch of junk food while I am trying to diet because YES that is counter productive to my goals. A BETTER basic skill for me is learning to live with out processed junk foods and candy. THAT is a much better skill.
You claim to know about moderation, and then proceed to explain how the only options are either stuffing your closet with junk food, or completely giving it up. Your answer is that you should avoid learning moderation because extremism, deprivation, and self-torture is a better basic skill. That is not moderation. It is the very opposite of moderation. Knowing about moderation and being able to practice it are two different things.
Using one's frontal lobe to weigh and make decisions is grown up behavior. Following one's impulses with no concern for anything but the moment is how children behave until/unless they learn how to do the former.Its cute how you use flame turms like "us grown ups" sure I know LOTS of grown ups that eat cupcakes for breakfast or eat half a pizza in one sitting because that is the NORM around here apparently,. What a joke.0 -
Who cares? This has nothing to do with the topic. People can become addicted to any behavior. It doesn't mean people should stop all behavior. This is as reasonable as suggesting nobody should ever eat shellfish because some people are allergic to it.EVERYONE knows people can become addicted to food. This is like old news is old type of thing. Battle of wits with someone who isn't even smart enough to know that sugar has been proven to be highly addictive? Yeah that's a joke. This is very old news, like really lol hahaahha
I'm not obese. I have never been obese. I live in the real world. Your worldview conflicts with observed reality.The real world? YOu mean where people feed their kids McDonald and everyone eats fast food and is obese? LOOK AROUND that is the real worldI know all about moderation and I am still not going to buy a bunch of junk food while I am trying to diet because YES that is counter productive to my goals. A BETTER basic skill for me is learning to live with out processed junk foods and candy. THAT is a much better skill.
You claim to know about moderation, and then proceed to explain how the only options are either stuffing your closet with junk food, or completely giving it up. Your answer is that you should avoid learning moderation because extremism, deprivation, and self-torture is a better basic skill. That is not moderation. It is the very opposite of moderation. Knowing about moderation and being able to practice it are two different things.
Using one's frontal lobe to weigh and make decisions is grown up behavior. Following one's impulses with no concern for anything but the moment is how children behave until/unless they learn how to do the former.Its cute how you use flame turms like "us grown ups" sure I know LOTS of grown ups that eat cupcakes for breakfast or eat half a pizza in one sitting because that is the NORM around here apparently,. What a joke.
http://www.webmd.com/diet/features/obesity-epidemic-astronomical0 -
http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/everyone
Who cares? This has nothing to do with the topic. People can become addicted to any behavior. It doesn't mean people should stop all behavior. This is as reasonable as suggesting nobody should ever eat shellfish because some people are allergic to it.EVERYONE knows people can become addicted to food. This is like old news is old type of thing. Battle of wits with someone who isn't even smart enough to know that sugar has been proven to be highly addictive? Yeah that's a joke. This is very old news, like really lol hahaahha
I'm not obese. I have never been obese. I live in the real world. Your worldview conflicts with observed reality.The real world? YOu mean where people feed their kids McDonald and everyone eats fast food and is obese? LOOK AROUND that is the real worldI know all about moderation and I am still not going to buy a bunch of junk food while I am trying to diet because YES that is counter productive to my goals. A BETTER basic skill for me is learning to live with out processed junk foods and candy. THAT is a much better skill.
You claim to know about moderation, and then proceed to explain how the only options are either stuffing your closet with junk food, or completely giving it up. Your answer is that you should avoid learning moderation because extremism, deprivation, and self-torture is a better basic skill. That is not moderation. It is the very opposite of moderation. Knowing about moderation and being able to practice it are two different things.
Using one's frontal lobe to weigh and make decisions is grown up behavior. Following one's impulses with no concern for anything but the moment is how children behave until/unless they learn how to do the former.Its cute how you use flame turms like "us grown ups" sure I know LOTS of grown ups that eat cupcakes for breakfast or eat half a pizza in one sitting because that is the NORM around here apparently,. What a joke.
http://www.webmd.com/diet/features/obesity-epidemic-astronomical0 -
Quoting WebMD is like giving a Wikipedia link.0 -
I love it when you make multiple points and someone ignores all but the one they perceive as the lowest hanging fruit.0
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I love it when you make multiple points and someone ignores all but the one they perceive as the lowest hanging fruit.
Glad you stated that, happened to me multiple times in this thread.0 -
http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/everyoneUsing one's frontal lobe to weigh and make decisions is grown up behavior. Following one's impulses with no concern for anything but the moment is how children behave until/unless they learn how to do the former.
http://www.webmd.com/diet/features/obesity-epidemic-astronomical
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Quoting WebMD is like giving a Wikipedia link.
No, not really.0
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