Why is obesity considered deviant behavior?
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Obesity is more about choice and self-control and those other examples are usually caused by mental issuse or physical issues. Big difference.
However, I do agree that more should be done to train and help people make better choices in life, similar to mental health.
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i have a desk job, that is not the problem. I have lost 26 pounds in less than 3 months still have a desk job. Knowledge about nutrition, and exercise is the issue.I honestly think food is not the root of the problem. Our society has gotten lazy and sedentary with easy access to everything. Our grandparents ate tons of lard and butter but had to work much harder and walk more places to live their day to day lives.
I agree 100% Desk jobs and our sedentary lifestyles are the real problem!
My point was that many do not work in labor anymore. They are not burning calories on the job.0 -
yes personal choices are 90 percent of the battle. And if you choose not to make a change, then it is your fault your not healthy. However if one is not properly informed, one can not make a proper decision. Everything else I agree.Ok, here's my response to everyone who's taken issue with what I've said:
I'm looking at things from an epidemiological perspective, which basically means when you see measurable significant increase in a health problem (whether or not you choose to call it a disease is up to you) over time, it's time to take a look at how that problem is being addressed (by individuals with the problem and by professionals), find out what's not working and try something new, ideally with the objective of finding something that works and can be replicated with the same results. The reality in the developed world today is that many societal factors have contributed to a continued trend towards higher percentages of obesity. I don't think any of you are arguing that the population at large has become progressively lazier or that self-control has naturally decreased overall over the past few decades (if you are, stop reading, we are not on the same logic train and you will not like what I have to say), so what gives? Yes, on a PERSONAL level, YOU have to make the decision, and continue to do so repeatedly, but for whatever reason(s), some already clear, others maybe not, there's an overall trend towards not making that decision. My point throughout this thread has been that it is entirely valid and important for the overall health of the develped societies most of us live in (otherwise you would likely not be on the internet often or need to lose weight and use a website to help you do that) for scientists to be looking for new ways to make healthy choices easier to make. I understand the "I had to walk to school in the snow, they should have to too" mentality, good for all of you for doing it the hard way, but how can researching ways to help others kick their unhealthy habits be so offensive to so many of you?
Yes, information is always the first step, marketing strategies can sometimes be helpful too. One that I liked (this is systemic level) was the calorie reporting mandatory in NYC, you go into a pastry shop and the calories are right next to that donut that sounded amazing a minute ago. Information IS a powerful thing, and it is part of the solution, but I think finding new ways to influence people to make healthy decisions is going to need to continue until we see results. "oh well, I told you so" isn't really very helpful, no matter how true it is.0 -
Obesity isn't deviance but a disease (like alcoholism) of sorts and if treated properly can be cured. By properly I mean addressing physical, mental, spiritual, and emotional needs of the obese person. McDonald's, Wendy's, and Burger King among others contribute mightily to the obesity problem.
People drive themselves there though don't they? This isn't a disease but just a lack of education and/or a lack of will power to do what you know is the right thing to do.
I agree. Obesity is not a disease. Neither is alcholism. We are fat/obese for one reason and one reason only. We eat too much. Yes there are some who are overweight due to medication etc. But that number is low. The majority of americans consume too much and move too less. That is why websites like this are so popular. We are all here trying to treat our addicition to food...0 -
Everyone needs to take responsibility for their own health.
This!!!!!!! No one put a gun to our heads and force us to eat!!!!!!0 -
I'm not for controlling what people eat but I do believe we should be more aware of what is in our food and the nutritional content. I think all food, even food served in restaurants, should list calories, fat, and such. Sometimes you can go out to eat and pick what you thought was a healthy choice only to find out later that it had a much higher fat content than what you had assumed. If you are aware of the nutritional value you can make better choices. Sometimes I want that greasy hamburger and I should be allowed to eat it but I'd like to know what the calorie and fat content is so I can adjust the rest of my daily meals to compensate for it. I think most people just have no clue what is in what they're eating. Can't tell you how many times I picked what I thought was the "healthy" chicken salad choice to find out the burger I really wanted had, in fact, less calories and fat.0
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So basically obese people are choosing to engage in activities which quite literally could and will lead to their deaths?
Given that the overriding biological imperative is survival that theory seems distinctly like utter rubbish to me...
LIFE quite literally leads to death. What we do during that life will affect our QUALITY and length of life...but it still ends in death.0 -
my obesity was caused by two things
1. I was being to lazy and not wanting to get off my butt and get moving
2. I was eating way beyond my proper portions or not eating enough most days
It is us who needs to take responsibility for our own actions. not the government. we can choose to eat mcdonald's or not to.
one the times I go out like when my child has away games I pre plan ahead of time by checking out the lowest calorie options.
I chose to be obese and weigh 250 pounds by my own actions. just like I am choosing now to do something about it. I lost 75 pounds thus far in doing so.
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you know what, did I say you Were not overweight? Quit putting words in my mouth. Reread my post before quoting. I am by changing my habits do you not see my progress? Obviously I am taking responsibility by recognizing my addiction, and making a change to not just lose weight but in a healthy way. At this point you re acting more of a bully than giving positive information to help stimulate change in others. My grandfather always said, " if your not helping you are hurting the situation." so stop putting people down and since your obviously on the same goal driven path. Start with sharing ways you got past struggles rather than telling people it's their fault. We already know that. That's why we are here.speak for yourself I went through actual withdrawals much like a drug addict when I changed my diet. You have no idea what I personally went through. Night sweats, headaches, sick to my stomach etc. and no I wasn't sick, it was my body reacting to such a severe change. I still have to fight my addiction to fried foods.
Yep. I was never fat. Not for my whole life. I've always been in shape and I'm just here to pick on people. I certainly didn't spend decades of my life eating so poorly it would make your head spin.
Real support isn't always telling people it's not their fault and food is to blame. Want to change your life? Take responsibility for it.0 -
is noassatall considered a disease as well? we really should look into that one ASAP.0
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Fighting obesity means telling Companies how and what to sell to the customer.. that isn't going to happen with the current state of government in the US.. look at all the crazies in NY when you try to limit their soda intake.. or parents that complain the government is telling them how to feed their kids (or trying to make healthy meals at school)..
Its going to start with people taking responsibility for themselves, and as we all know that will never happen..
That's communism, you can have that in many other countries, I'll take my freedom of choice and make good ones... thanks.0 -
For almost everyone the cure is only a mer choice, but for others it really is an illness. I think more in the way a meth addict is ill.0
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that is awesome here in nc there is only 2 restaurants that tell the calories and that is McDonald's, and subway. I have found even subway doesn't disclose all the nutritional facts though.
yes personal choices are 90 percent of the battle. And if you choose not to make a change, then it is your fault your not healthy. However if one is not properly informed, one can not make a proper decision. Everything else I agree.Ok, here's my response to everyone who's taken issue with what I've said:
I'm looking at things from an epidemiological perspective, which basically means when you see measurable significant increase in a health problem (whether or not you choose to call it a disease is up to you) over time, it's time to take a look at how that problem is being addressed (by individuals with the problem and by professionals), find out what's not working and try something new, ideally with the objective of finding something that works and can be replicated with the same results. The reality in the developed world today is that many societal factors have contributed to a continued trend towards higher percentages of obesity. I don't think any of you are arguing that the population at large has become progressively lazier or that self-control has naturally decreased overall over the past few decades (if you are, stop reading, we are not on the same logic train and you will not like what I have to say), so what gives? Yes, on a PERSONAL level, YOU have to make the decision, and continue to do so repeatedly, but for whatever reason(s), some already clear, others maybe not, there's an overall trend towards not making that decision. My point throughout this thread has been that it is entirely valid and important for the overall health of the develped societies most of us live in (otherwise you would likely not be on the internet often or need to lose weight and use a website to help you do that) for scientists to be looking for new ways to make healthy choices easier to make. I understand the "I had to walk to school in the snow, they should have to too" mentality, good for all of you for doing it the hard way, but how can researching ways to help others kick their unhealthy habits be so offensive to so many of you?
Yes, information is always the first step, marketing strategies can sometimes be helpful too. One that I liked (this is systemic level) was the calorie reporting mandatory in NYC, you go into a pastry shop and the calories are right next to that donut that sounded amazing a minute ago. Information IS a powerful thing, and it is part of the solution, but I think finding new ways to influence people to make healthy decisions is going to need to continue until we see results. "oh well, I told you so" isn't really very helpful, no matter how true it is.0 -
To everyone claiming that nutritious food is out of reach for poorer people: Hit up a 99 Cent store. I've never seen one in the south but when I was visiting my brother in California earlier this year I was intent on cooking my own meals to keep up eating well. We made a stop at a 99 Cents store to pick up trash bags or something and ended up getting nearly a month's worth of groceries for 3 people for under 40 bucks (and my boyfriend and my brother pack it away). That bill included fruits, vegetables, eggs, milk, cheese, bread-- basically everything but meats (we picked those up elsewhere the night before) although they had some meats. Maybe I'm way off but I would think that is no insurmountable sum of money. You just need to look around.0
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I'm not sure if anyone has posted this but if not take a look at this article that was in the New York Times a few weeks ago about the science of junk food: http://www.nytimes.com/2013/02/24/magazine/the-extraordinary-science-of-junk-food.html?_r=0. Willpower and self control is important but there is a monied array of forces out there that want you to eat, and eat a lot. For some of us resisting the food and the marketing messages (try counting food ads and promos on TV some time in a one hour time slot), may be harder than we think. I know for me I just can't have certain items in the house. At any rate, my .02¢.0
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You truly have no clue what growing up with my father and grandparents was like. I ate what they made me eat or starved growing up. For some people you werent given a choice about nutrition or knowledge at an early age.
Everyone needs to take responsibility for their own health.
This!!!!!!! No one put a gun to our heads and force us to eat!!!!!!0 -
If you need a huge, expensive study to tell you that the cure for obesity is to burn more calories than you eat, you fail at life.
FTW
^^this^^ :happy:0 -
To everyone claiming that nutritious food is out of reach for poorer people: Hit up a 99 Cent store. I've never seen one in the south but when I was visiting my brother in California earlier this year I was intent on cooking my own meals to keep up eating well. We made a stop at a 99 Cents store to pick up trash bags or something and ended up getting nearly a month's worth of groceries for 3 people for under 40 bucks (and my boyfriend and my brother pack it away). That bill included fruits, vegetables, eggs, milk, cheese, bread-- basically everything but meats (we picked those up elsewhere the night before) although they had some meats. Maybe I'm way off but I would think that is no insurmountable sum of money. You just need to look around.
Shhh! Stop saying people should put in a minimal amount of effort to take care of themselves. It HAS to be someone else's fault!!0 -
So basically obese people are choosing to engage in activities which quite literally could and will lead to their deaths?
Given that the overriding biological imperative is survival that theory seems distinctly like utter rubbish to me...
How is it not " choosing to engage in activities which quite literally could and will lead to their deaths" when they are choosing to eat larger proportions than necessary, choosing to not exercise? I don't understand you logic on how that is rubbish. Overeating and lack of exercise cause health problems that cause death, yet they still choose to overeat and not work out...0 -
it isn't all calorie intake. Nutrition is so much more than that. The amount of vitamins, fiber, minerals, protein, levels of chloresterol, fat, sugar, water intake. Seriously if You believe this is about just calories you are lying to yourself and everyone around you.If you need a huge, expensive study to tell you that the cure for obesity is to burn more calories than you eat, you fail at life.
FTW
^^this^^ :happy:0 -
You truly have no clue what growing up with my father and grandparents was like. I ate what they made me eat or starved growing up. For some people you werent given a choice about nutrition or knowledge at an early age.
Everyone needs to take responsibility for their own health.
This!!!!!!! No one put a gun to our heads and force us to eat!!!!!!
Maybe not, but you have a choice now.0 -
People do have choices, have you ever been somewhere with a buffet. A lot of people never even look at the salad bar. They instead fill their plate over and over again with fried, carb, fat, filled food. Then they go for desert. Eating more in one sitting then most eat in a day.
I am overweight and know one made me eat, i did it all on my own.
Its not an illness its a choice!!0 -
Really? Really?!To everyone claiming that nutritious food is out of reach for poorer people: Hit up a 99 Cent store. I've never seen one in the south but when I was visiting my brother in California earlier this year I was intent on cooking my own meals to keep up eating well. We made a stop at a 99 Cents store to pick up trash bags or something and ended up getting nearly a month's worth of groceries for 3 people for under 40 bucks (and my boyfriend and my brother pack it away). That bill included fruits, vegetables, eggs, milk, cheese, bread-- basically everything but meats (we picked those up elsewhere the night before) although they had some meats. Maybe I'm way off but I would think that is no insurmountable sum of money. You just need to look around.
Shhh! Stop saying people should put in a minimal amount of effort to take care of themselves. It HAS to be someone else's fault!!0 -
and I am obviously doing a good job of it. But I have a long ways to go.
You truly have no clue what growing up with my father and grandparents was like. I ate what they made me eat or starved growing up. For some people you werent given a choice about nutrition or knowledge at an early age.
Everyone needs to take responsibility for their own health.
This!!!!!!! No one put a gun to our heads and force us to eat!!!!!!
Maybe not, but you have a choice now.0 -
ADHD, Bipolar Disorder and a considerable amount of cancers are not self inflicted or self imposed. Whereas obesity, more often than not, is self imposed.
I also respectfully disagree somewhat with your position that obesity is not a character flaw. In my opinion all addictions in part are character flaws. The addicted has exercised poor judgment or ignorance to the truths of the substance and lacked the self control or willpower to prevent, or in hindsight, remedy the situation. How is it anything other than a series of character flaws?
No one feeds me but me. I am fat because I made me fat. Not a disease, not an evil corporation, not a lack of intervention from the government, and certainly not because enough money hasn't been thrown at it. I am 100% responsible for getting myself here, and I'll take 100% of the responsibility and credit for getting myself out of here.
Agreed. People have to speak with their dollars. No company would ever stay in business if the public was not demanding their product. Nor is it the Government's place to regulate what/how much I eat. I really think the obesity epidemic is a lack of information and/or tools. Obviously I knew that i needed to eat less and move more. I just didn't know how. It took me a long time to figure out the skills needed to be successful. It is a learning process. I had to want to make a change. No one could force me to do it. Someone that really wants to make a change will SEEK out the information/tools. Just make that information/resources more accessible. DEMAND the products/services/information/skills you want and the supply will come.
Yeah, I grew up poor. Yea, I came from a situation that if i didn't eat when it was there it meant i would go hungry. I had some bad habits. When i got older i used food to medicate. The availabilty of food meant that i was safe. I had to retrain the way i approached food. I really just want to see people be more PROACTIVE in their own lives. Don't Whoooah is me. Get up and do something about it.0 -
A fat adult is a person whose life history is written on their body- they've failed. They've failed themselves.0
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I think its time we put more money into curing stupidity.0
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No one is forcing people to eat at Mcdonalds or other fast food places. The "cure" for obesity is eat less move more. But I agree that often times, the emotional part of why someone overeats must be addressed.
As was commented in the original post in this thread, the underlying reasons as to why a person is oveweight/obese need to be addressed. I firmly believe that the body is a finely tuned machine, capable of self regulation in most circumstances. As with any machine, if you throw a wrench into the gears, something is going to break down and the natural self-regulation/balance is disrupted. I do agree that the reason why we are overweight/obese is because we are inputting more calories that are being used by our systems, but until you stop and pull that wrench out of there (addressing the underlying reasons as to why we're not treating our bodies as we should), you'll never have a permanent solution to an individual's difficulty with overeating.
In any capitalist economy, I do not think that it is right for the government to try to force regulation on businesses so as to change the way that the public eats. Instead, I would like to see the public demand a healthier alternative. Specifically, I would like to see more local produce sold and consumed locally (ie. Farmers' Markets, Agricultural cooperations, community gardens, etc.). Education about nutrition or ignorance (another wrench in the machine) about it makes all the difference in what we see in the grocery store. The consumer has the power.0 -
1. Treating smokers with ridicule and disgust has helped to reduce the number of smokers. Same should apply to obesity. Don't underestimate the power of societal pressure.Obesity is an epidemic that will only get worse if we treat it with ridicule and disgust.
If I knew the world accepted me as a fat person, I'd be a lot less motivated to stop being fat.0 -
I think its time we put more money into curing stupidity.
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