Losing Weight At McDonalds

just posting again to reiterate

Most people who origionally promoted targeting macronutrient intakes instead of obsessing about food choices actually eat ‘clean’ foods 95% of the time, we just don’t agonize over having a homemade burrito with a low carb wrap or some reduced calorie ice cream. We see the value of a controlled intake in order to prevent uncontrolled binging. But I do see IIFYM followers who eat as much sugary, high fat foods as they can and wear it like a badge of honor. That is not the point. If you are following a macronutrient intake that is friendly for body composition you will be eating a lot of ‘clean’ foods by default because you will not be able to hit a protein, carb, fat, and fiber intake conducive to body composition improvement if all you eat are high sugar/fat foods. The point is it’s ok to have these foods in small amounts if you are still hitting your goal macronutrient intake."

http://www.shreddedknowledge.com/home/a-talk-with-the-doc-dr-layne-norton/

Yup. You know what term does not appear a single time in that quote?


"Fast food."

um. we were talking about Type 2 diabetes... why are you changing the subject?

No, I was talking about being a "Type II diabetic with severe pancreatic β-cell impairment." ... which is NOT the same as our current Type II diabetes epidemic.

Some people refer to my diabetes as LADA (Latent Auto-Immune Diabetes in Adults) or even "Type 1.5" ... but regardless, what I have is simply NOT the same as your garden-variety Type II diabetic and is not at all linked to obesity or being overweight.

and you're not getting me. i know it's about calories. but clean foods are generally lower calorie and take up more stomach volume, so it's much harder to eat a caloric surplus on a clean diet. you can argue if you want - i respect your experience and knowledge on many subjects - but on this I know what I'm talking about.

First, there's no medical or scientific consensus on a definition of "clean" foods. I personally believe whole dairy cream is a "clean" food - especially farm-fresh from grass-fed hormone-free cows. And trust me, it does NOT take up much stomach volume and is incredibly hypercaloric.

Your point is correct "generally", as you said, but most-certainly not always. And definitely not the case for people that over-eat due to psychological/emotional issues.

My problem with many of your statements is you present them as a "one-size-fits-all" and "what-I-say-is-correct" attitude - even when some of them are absolutely incorrect, or at-least based on assumptions you've made which are incorrect.

by "taxing your pancreas less" i was referring to not being in a caloric surplus and thus, not being overweight, both of which being easier to achieve on a clean diet

Again, caloric surplus has nothing to do with taxing a pancreas, carbohydrates do. I could decide to eat 5,000 calories a day right now - and if I did I'd tax my pancreas considerably less than 99.9% of the population because at 5,000 calories I'd still be eating about 80g of carbohydrate a day.

Beyond genetics:

Other type 2 diabetes risk factors include the following:

High blood pressure
High blood triglyceride (fat) levels
Gestational diabetes or giving birth to a baby weighing more than 9 pounds
High-fat and carbohydrate diet
High alcohol intake
Sedentary lifestyle
Obesity or being overweight

Ethnicity: Certain groups, such as African Americans, Native Americans, Hispanic Americans, and Japanese Americans, have a greater risk of developing type 2 diabetes than non-Hispanic whites.

Couple of points:

Your first two 'risk factors' (hypertension and hypertriglyceridemia) are not risk factors for Type II - they're commonly seen biomarkers. Neither increases risk, nor have studies shown them individually to increase risk. They are an association and commonly present in obese people eating a high carbohydrate diet.

High Fat diets with carbohydrate restriction pose less risk for diabetes. High Carb diets, regardless of other macronutrients, pose greater risk for diabetes. High Carbohydrate combined with High Fat diets pose the greatest risk for diabetes. As such, high carbohydrates are more of a risk factor than high fat.

What many people are failing to realize, and that modern science is only starting to recognize, is that obesity doesn't CAUSE Type II diabetes ... it's actually a SYMPTOM of it. Thus the association.

obviously you know all that, but my point is diet probably - PROBABLY - plays a significant role)

I absolutely agree diet plays a role in Type II diabetes, and I don't think there's a probably about it, and I'm happy to message privately about that or in another topic. Diet isn't a factor in Type I and isn't proven a factor in LADA. Those are both auto-immune disorders and no evidence of any kind relates them to diet.

Oh good... another post where a bunch of body builders/ huge men/ women who don't have much to lose try to convince us all that McDonalds/eating poorly is okay and laugh at the attempt to eat healthy/clean.

that's truly impressive. i'm honestly floored by your ability to convince yourself you're right on this. haha well done.

There is no science that shows he's wrong on this.

Reviewing his diet - sure much of it is processed - but there simply is no definitive proof this is "bad" for us. None. After decades of research trying to prove it, there's none. And no, I don't agree that absence of evidence is evidence of absence, but you cannot prove he's incorrect any more than I can prove he's correct.

So you are simply stating an opinion. Which isn't correct or incorrect - it's an opinion.

His diary suggests he's getting his necessary vitamins/minerals/nutrients/antioxidants as well as what he feels are his own optimum macronutrient percentages. You should know we're all a little different in our macronutrient needs, therefore show us any science that show's he's incorrect.

If you cannot show anything scientific that show's he's unhealthy in his intake (and I'm quite sure you cannot) then perhaps you should agree to disagree instead of trying to mock and belittle him...

When a guy like Layne Norton, who is infinitely smarter and more well-educated on this topic than I am, can't seem to come up with any criticisms of my diet then I figure I'm doing something right.

I follow his core recommendations pretty closely.

I can't even stand the smell of McDonald's when I walk by. All I can smell is grease! Plus I hate the way that kind of eating make me feel. I don't care if I could eat it and still lose weight- do not want!

Do you know what a McDonald's burger and fries look like after 2 months- the exact same. Who would defend putting something like that in their body?

I think you should do whatever works for you. But I also understand people turning their noses up at that kind of eating. It doesn't even make you feel good.

Layne Norton is a fool,all the hype has made him who he is today,keep drinking the kool aid

Layne Norton is a fool,all the hype has made him who he is today,keep drinking the kool aid

The PhD in nutrition, as well as massive success on the bodybuilding circuit, has really helped out. Along with the "hype."

I'm having two big macs and fries for lunch today, then for dinner a half pound of grilled chicken with sauteed mushrooms in a bbq sauce and a side of sliced tomatoes drizzled in rasberry vinaigrette.

Maybe later I'll make a food porn thread.

Today I eat like a king!

This thread is still going?

I'll just leave this here

Oh good... another post where a bunch of body builders/ huge men/ women who don't have much to lose try to convince us all that McDonalds/eating poorly is okay and laugh at the attempt to eat healthy/clean.

Actually, the people commenting that it's OK aren't actually "eating poorly" - they're making very wise choices at the fast-food places.

Fast food doesn't have to be synonymous with eating poorly. Most people just don't actually make informed decisions when they eat it.

BS and you know it. this is coming from someone who thinks macronutrient ratios mean something.

they don't.

I think you should do whatever works for you. But I also understand people turning their noses up at that kind of eating. It doesn't even make you feel good.

I agree that people should do whatever works for them.

I don't agree with "It doesn't even make you feel good." as that may be the case for you, but not necessarily others.

I'm surprised I'm defending this here, because I don't really eat fast-food ever, LOL.

i'm surprised too... since up until this thread i thought you were reasonable. haha

Layne Norton is a fool,all the hype has made him who he is today,keep drinking the kool aid

The PhD in nutrition, as well as massive success on the bodybuilding circuit, has really helped out. Along with the "hype."

you should probably listen to him then

Oh good... another post where a bunch of body builders/ huge men/ women who don't have much to lose try to convince us all that McDonalds/eating poorly is okay and laugh at the attempt to eat healthy/clean.

Actually, the people commenting that it's OK aren't actually "eating poorly" - they're making very wise choices at the fast-food places.

Fast food doesn't have to be synonymous with eating poorly. Most people just don't actually make informed decisions when they eat it.

True. Though I would have to argue that a McDonalds salad/wrap can't hold a candle- nutrition wise or taste wise to the things that I can make at home.
What annoys me is when commenters "show off" (not sure if thats a good term) at how much/bad they eat like everyone should eat the same. "Pffft.... your eating just a cheeseburger? Well, I eat a triple Whopper with extra cheese supersized!" Really? This is your everyday meal? (no.. obviously not. ) When I ate like this all the time, I gained 70lbs...I understand eating like this on a rare occasion- but for me it wouldn't be realistic.