Why high dietary fat %? Are we trying to kill each other?

Guys can we all just shut up and notice that Sara, side steel and I are on the same side here? If THAT doesn't convince you, nothing will. Haha

Ha, officially awesome!

Where is your basis for asserting that the information in our thread is dangerous?
Additionally, obese people may use lbm instead of total bodyweight but even still, considering that .35/lb is the minimum recommended value I don't see anything in that thread as being potentially dangerous.

Why is .35g per pound considered the minumum valiue? According to whom?

.35g per pound is a figure that many bodybuilders use to set up there macros. they start there and adjust to get optimum results. i dont have any sources. it could be alittle bro science.

Finally, an honest answer. No medical evidence, just some guys talking around the weight rack. That makes perfectly good sense.

Where is your basis for asserting that the information in our thread is dangerous?
Additionally, obese people may use lbm instead of total bodyweight but even still, considering that .35/lb is the minimum recommended value I don't see anything in that thread as being potentially dangerous.

Why is .35g per pound considered the minumum valiue? According to whom?

.35g per pound is a figure that many bodybuilders use to set up there macros. they start there and adjust to get optimum results. i dont have any sources. it could be alittle bro science.

Finally, an honest answer. No medical evidence, just some guys talking around the weight rack. That makes perfectly good sense.

haven't read the thread deeply. what's YOUR medical evidence?

Where is your basis for asserting that the information in our thread is dangerous?
Additionally, obese people may use lbm instead of total bodyweight but even still, considering that .35/lb is the minimum recommended value I don't see anything in that thread as being potentially dangerous.

Why is .35g per pound considered the minumum valiue? According to whom?

I will make a fuller response later as I am on my phone - but could you answer the question please.

Every medical reference and study indicates that 25-35% of calories from fat is the max appropriate for good health and nutrition.

My question initially is where did your post originate? What is the reference? Certainly you can answer on your phone.

Please cite some of the references that say more than 0.35g is dangerous

And I said that I would answer more fully when I get to my computer.

At no time did I say that more than .35g is dangerous. When applied to people who are already overweight the percentage of fat from calories becomes excessive and can be harmful.. The accepted standard within the medical community is 25-35% as a percent of calories regardless of the source ("good" vs "bad" fat).

References:
http://www.cdc.gov/nutrition/everyone/basics/fat/
http://www.mayoclinic.com/health/fat/nu00262/nsectiongroup=2
http://www.euro.who.int/__data/assets/pdf_file/0017/150083/E79832.pdf
Throw in AHA, ADA, etc.

you asked "are we trying to kill eachother?"

your body oxidizes multiple forms of energy at the same time, protein, fat, and carbs
selection of energy that your body chooses to oxidize is based upon intake and availability.

the higher fat you intake the more your body will oxidize it.
same with the other macronutrients.

some are more prone to oxidize than others. such as carbs.

saturated fat is not harmful. It can be considered harmful for those who are inactive and overweight. then again same with carbohydrates.

hypercaloric diet+high carbs=diabetes
hypercaoric diet+high fat= plaque build up in your vessels.
if you take hypercaloric out of the equation, neither of those will happen

the only bad macro is trans fat

any disease that is a complication of diet is usually related to malnourishment or overeating.
physical activity also plays a huge factor in whether people will get a disease or not

i think a high percentage is a dangerous way to workout fat content, in particular anything over 50%, in the same respect with any macro though, i think making any macro over 50% is pointless tbh, my firm belief is everything in moderation, in particular for weight loss

For weight loss, moderation is irrelevant.

For health it's incredibly important.

But random arbitrary guidelines are arbitrary.

it's not irrelevant at all, moderation is the key to losing weight, over indulging on things and in particular calories is what makes people overweight?

Where is your basis for asserting that the information in our thread is dangerous?
Additionally, obese people may use lbm instead of total bodyweight but even still, considering that .35/lb is the minimum recommended value I don't see anything in that thread as being potentially dangerous.

Why is .35g per pound considered the minumum valiue? According to whom?

I will make a fuller response later as I am on my phone - but could you answer the question please.

Every medical reference and study indicates that 25-35% of calories from fat is the max appropriate for good health and nutrition.

My question initially is where did your post originate? What is the reference? Certainly you can answer on your phone.

Please cite some of the references that say more than 0.35g is dangerous

And I said that I would answer more fully when I get to my computer.

At no time did I say that more than .35g is dangerous. When applied to people who are already overweight the percentage of fat from calories becomes excessive and can be harmful.. The accepted standard within the medical community is 25-35% as a percent of calories regardless of the source ("good" vs "bad" fat).

References:
http://www.cdc.gov/nutrition/everyone/basics/fat/
http://www.mayoclinic.com/health/fat/nu00262/nsectiongroup=2
http://www.euro.who.int/__data/assets/pdf_file/0017/150083/E79832.pdf
Throw in AHA, ADA, etc.

you asked "are we trying to kill eachother?"

your body oxidizes multiple forms of energy at the same time, protein, fat, and carbs
selection of energy that your body chooses to oxidize is based upon intake and availability.

the higher fat you intake the more your body will oxidize it.
same with the other macronutrients.

some are more prone to oxidize than others. such as carbs.

saturated fat is not harmful. It can be considered harmful for those who are inactive and overweight. then again same with carbohydrates.

hypercaloric diet+high carbs=diabetes
hypercaoric diet+high fat= plaque build up in your vessels.
if you take hypercaloric out of the equation, neither of those will happen

the only bad macro is trans fat

any disease that is a complication of diet is usually related to malnourishment or overeating.
physical activity also plays a huge factor in whether people will get a disease or not

It have to disagree with your statement that saturated fat is not bad and that it plays no role as contributing to plaque buildup even in an active deficit diet (which is what you are referring). There are far to many variable to make a vague statement, such as genetics and hormones both of which play a huge role in plaque buildup. I know several and have known several individuals that are very active (always have been) yet still have plaque build up. Saturated fats "can" be bad for some individuals even though they have a very active lifestyle.

There have been some posts recently which suggest setting fat as high as 70% of total calories. Why would someone eating at a deficit consume so much fat? The food volume is low, the overall diet lacks fiber and micronutrients due to the low carbs, and the protein is too low to protect muscle mass.

And while I'm asking questions that are sure to get me flamed, where did the often referred http://www.myfitnesspal.com/topics/show/819055-setting-your-calorie-and-macro-targets originate? The idea of telling people who are obese to set their goals to "0.35g of fat per lb of total body weight as a minimum target" is poor science and could be harmful to their health. A 250 lb person eating 1700 cals per day would be consuming 45% of their calories in fat. Why are we perpetuating this?


Notes: 1) Yes, I know that carbs do not contain micronutrients but carb containing foods do. 2) A 250lb female my age and height, sedentary, would be consuming 1700 cals at TDEE -20%

she already got her answer she was looking for after 50+ replies

a bunch of gym guys talked about the importance of fat