Fat shaming in the media
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Some of these are in bad taste. Who has time to get offended though, pfft. I have better things to do with my time xD (Like post here..?)
I would like to see a billboard or something that shows like 1500-2000 calories worth of fruit, veggies, lean meat, etc compared to 1500-2000 calories of fast food.
For people that love to eat, seeing the difference might make an impact (since you can eat a lot more) and it would promote making healthy choices in a POSITIVE way.0 -
I'm always frustrated to hear arguments like "Well, thin people get shamed too! So fat shaming is okay!"
Can we all just agree that shaming people into being healthy (no matter what their size) is mean and counterproductive? I don't know that all the ads in the link are shaming, but if we all just worried more about ourselves and what we are/aren't putting into our own bodies, and got some reasonable amount of exercise, and quit worrying about what everyone else is doing we'd be a lot happier. Health is not necessarily linked to size -- we all anecdotally know some very healthy but heavy people, and some very unhealthy thin people. Health is about doing good to your body. That's it.
It's not fun to be on the receiving end of shame, period. So let's all just focus on ourselves, and get over it.
(And if the media would stop being so sensationalist, that would help a whole lot too)
So do you think the shaming of smokers was counterproductive?0 -
http://www.petakillsanimals.com/wow.....Oh and PETA can ****ing suck it as they wont support pitbull groups and they dont go against kill shelters.
Obviously you don't even understand PETA's mission. Try doing a little research.
http://www.petakillsanimals.com/trial/
http://newsfeed.time.com/2013/04/09/peta-takes-heat-over-claims-it-killed-90-of-animals-dropped-off-at-virginia-shelter/
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/nathan-j-winograd/peta-kills-puppies-kittens_b_2979220.html
http://www.sfgate.com/opinion/saunders/article/Better-dead-than-fed-PETA-says-2626614.php
Please tell me more about the glory of peta.
Alright, so you quoted the huffington post which is as laughable as they come and for the most part a bunch of websites made by crazy people pushing their agendas. Props to the credible new sources you chose.
Secondly, SOME of what the sites say is true, however, it's taken out of context. I again emphasize the same thing I originally said which is that you don't understand PETA's mission. PETA's mission isn't to save every animal on the street and put it in a home - that's the ASPCA's mission. Try doing some credible research into their mission. You may not fully support it. I disagree with aspects of it, but they have big ambitions and are quite successful. That's why it is beneficial to have both the SPCA and PETA - they have different missions and focus on different elements accordingly. You may not wish to put your donations there and you may say "well this could be done different", but that doesn't change that their presence has had huge positive effects on society, animals and other organizations like the SPCA.0 -
I'm always frustrated to hear arguments like "Well, thin people get shamed too! So fat shaming is okay!"
Can we all just agree that shaming people into being healthy (no matter what their size) is mean and counterproductive? I don't know that all the ads in the link are shaming, but if we all just worried more about ourselves and what we are/aren't putting into our own bodies, and got some reasonable amount of exercise, and quit worrying about what everyone else is doing we'd be a lot happier. Health is not necessarily linked to size -- we all anecdotally know some very healthy but heavy people, and some very unhealthy thin people. Health is about doing good to your body. That's it.
It's not fun to be on the receiving end of shame, period. So let's all just focus on ourselves, and get over it.
(And if the media would stop being so sensationalist, that would help a whole lot too)
So do you think the shaming of smokers was counterproductive?
Maybe we should have a fat tax?0 -
The oatmeal one was perfect. She shouldn't take it down. Facts are facts, but someone might have been offended by a fact? No wonder we are such a fat country. Hell, if everything had calories on it we'd all eat better. Ever notice you eat less pizza at a work meeting than when you order one at home?
The Peta body scanner was was pretty good, too.0 -
Nice buffer. I'm in a better mood now.0 -
This is a hard one. On one hand, I don't approve of bullying, or cruelty. One the other hand, I think coddling people when they are doing something wrong can have a very negative effect as well by not addressing the problem. I guess being factual would be the ideal way to go, mainly medically.
ie, obesity can lead a much higher risk of developing x,y,z etc. and obesity can be combated through a,b,c etc.
Information and education, not shaming or coddling.0 -
1 - I despise Ashley Madison
2 - I despise PETA
3 - I thought the oatmeal one was funny, not offensive.0 -
LMAO!! :laugh: :laugh: :laugh:It's not anything new, I don't know where you've been..
The bagel/oatmeal picture - I saw nothing wrong with it. What I did see wrong with was the caption that said "the last thing we want while walking down the street is to be shamed for our breakfast choices." Um, seriously? Oh yeah. I forgot, everyone wants to be coddled. Better to bury our heads in the sand rather than know how many calories are in what we are consuming. (Although, I love bagels and everyone should eat them)
The tired of being fat & ugly pic - That's been going around the internet. It's funny. Sorry, not sorry.
The scale bus stop - You don't have to sit on it... And this may sound bad, but maybe if people were standing a little more, it'd be a move in the right direction. Just saying.
The PETA pic -" Another one of PETA's misleading ads. According to their ad, being thin, fit, and sexy is the only way to love your body, and the only way to be thin, fit, and sexy is to go vegan. Essentially, what they're saying is that everyone else should be ashamed of their bodies." Um, PETA has an agenda and it's not worrying about fat people. Of course they're saying everyone else should be ashamed of their bodies, everyone else is eating tasty meat and they're against that.
All of the other ones, yeah they're "offensive" if I let billboards and ads offend me.
What is your obsession with feces, noob?
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I would like to see a billboard or something that shows like 1500-2000 calories worth of fruit, veggies, lean meat, etc compared to 1500-2000 calories of fast food.
For people that love to eat, seeing the difference might make an impact (since you can eat a lot more) and it would promote making healthy choices in a POSITIVE way.
Imagine that - constructive billboards!0 -
http://www.petakillsanimals.com/wow.....Oh and PETA can ****ing suck it as they wont support pitbull groups and they dont go against kill shelters.
Obviously you don't even understand PETA's mission. Try doing a little research.
http://www.petakillsanimals.com/trial/
http://newsfeed.time.com/2013/04/09/peta-takes-heat-over-claims-it-killed-90-of-animals-dropped-off-at-virginia-shelter/
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/nathan-j-winograd/peta-kills-puppies-kittens_b_2979220.html
http://www.sfgate.com/opinion/saunders/article/Better-dead-than-fed-PETA-says-2626614.php
Please tell me more about the glory of peta.
hmmmmm I guess i'm just one of the uneducated0 -
I would like to see a billboard or something that shows like 1500-2000 calories worth of fruit, veggies, lean meat, etc compared to 1500-2000 calories of fast food.
For people that love to eat, seeing the difference might make an impact (since you can eat a lot more) and it would promote making healthy choices in a POSITIVE way.
Imagine that - constructive billboards!
That would be awesome! We should do a kickstarter!0 -
I'm always frustrated to hear arguments like "Well, thin people get shamed too! So fat shaming is okay!"
Can we all just agree that shaming people into being healthy (no matter what their size) is mean and counterproductive? I don't know that all the ads in the link are shaming, but if we all just worried more about ourselves and what we are/aren't putting into our own bodies, and got some reasonable amount of exercise, and quit worrying about what everyone else is doing we'd be a lot happier. Health is not necessarily linked to size -- we all anecdotally know some very healthy but heavy people, and some very unhealthy thin people. Health is about doing good to your body. That's it.
It's not fun to be on the receiving end of shame, period. So let's all just focus on ourselves, and get over it.
(And if the media would stop being so sensationalist, that would help a whole lot too)
So do you think the shaming of smokers was counterproductive?
Smokers were never really shamed. I remember when they had to start putting the warning labels on cigarettes and it started being illegal in more and more places. It stopped being seen as sexy so much.
Maybe they are shamed now...I don't know because I quit way back. What's really helped, though, is the proliferation of smoking cessation programs. The patch helped me much more than any amount of "smokers stink" would have.0 -
http://www.petakillsanimals.com/wow.....Oh and PETA can ****ing suck it as they wont support pitbull groups and they dont go against kill shelters.
Obviously you don't even understand PETA's mission. Try doing a little research.
http://www.petakillsanimals.com/trial/
http://newsfeed.time.com/2013/04/09/peta-takes-heat-over-claims-it-killed-90-of-animals-dropped-off-at-virginia-shelter/
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/nathan-j-winograd/peta-kills-puppies-kittens_b_2979220.html
http://www.sfgate.com/opinion/saunders/article/Better-dead-than-fed-PETA-says-2626614.php
Please tell me more about the glory of peta.
Alright, so you quoted the huffington post which is as laughable as they come and for the most part a bunch of websites made by crazy people pushing their agendas. Props to the credible new sources you chose.
Secondly, SOME of what the sites say is true, however, it's taken out of context. I again emphasize the same thing I originally said which is that you don't understand PETA's mission. PETA's mission isn't to save every animal on the street and put it in a home - that's the ASPCA's mission. Try doing some credible research into their mission. You may not fully support it. I disagree with aspects of it, but they have big ambitions and are quite successful. That's why it is beneficial to have both the SPCA and PETA - they have different missions and focus on different elements accordingly. You may not wish to put your donations there and you may say "well this could be done different", but that doesn't change that their presence has had huge positive effects on society, animals and other organizations like the SPCA.
PETA's mission is to do whatever they have to in order to keep reeling in the donations.
To the tune of $35 million dollars a year.
Sorry but that is the real mission of PETA.0 -
I would like to see a billboard or something that shows like 1500-2000 calories worth of fruit, veggies, lean meat, etc compared to 1500-2000 calories of fast food.
For people that love to eat, seeing the difference might make an impact (since you can eat a lot more) and it would promote making healthy choices in a POSITIVE way.
Imagine that - constructive billboards!
That would be awesome! We should do a kickstarter!
Haha I like the idea of starting something like that. hmm0 -
http://www.petakillsanimals.com/wow.....Oh and PETA can ****ing suck it as they wont support pitbull groups and they dont go against kill shelters.
Obviously you don't even understand PETA's mission. Try doing a little research.
http://www.petakillsanimals.com/trial/
http://newsfeed.time.com/2013/04/09/peta-takes-heat-over-claims-it-killed-90-of-animals-dropped-off-at-virginia-shelter/
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/nathan-j-winograd/peta-kills-puppies-kittens_b_2979220.html
http://www.sfgate.com/opinion/saunders/article/Better-dead-than-fed-PETA-says-2626614.php
Please tell me more about the glory of peta.
Alright, so you quoted the huffington post which is as laughable as they come and for the most part a bunch of websites made by crazy people pushing their agendas. Props to the credible new sources you chose.
Secondly, SOME of what the sites say is true, however, it's taken out of context. I again emphasize the same thing I originally said which is that you don't understand PETA's mission. PETA's mission isn't to save every animal on the street and put it in a home - that's the ASPCA's mission. Try doing some credible research into their mission. You may not fully support it. I disagree with aspects of it, but they have big ambitions and are quite successful. That's why it is beneficial to have both the SPCA and PETA - they have different missions and focus on different elements accordingly. You may not wish to put your donations there and you may say "well this could be done different", but that doesn't change that their presence has had huge positive effects on society, animals and other organizations like the SPCA.
PETA's mission is to do whatever they have to in order to keep reeling in the donations.
To the tune of $35 million dollars a year.
Sorry but that is the real mission of PETA.
Yup. With that much a year, they could rent buy advertising for an adoption weekend, rent out a parking lot for the day and put up an adoption website, and then get all the adoptable pets a checkup, spay/neuter, grooming, ect. But they would rather keep it all for themselves, waste it on publicity stunts, and give some of it to eco-terrorists.0 -
Do I think shaming smokers is counterproductive? Yes, I do. Of all the smokers I've known who've quit, exactly 0 of them have told me they've quit because they were shamed into it. I wasn't kidding when I said shaming people is bad and counterproductive, period. It doesn't matter what the shame is intended to do. Smoking cessation campaigns that are focused on making someone feel "gross" or making other people think smokers are "gross" are mean and don't work. At least the health-based ones (like pictures of damaged organs, or the one I've seen running currently about the former smoker who's also diabetic who lost his leg at a younger age than most diabetics tend to, because of smoking) provide information, sort of like the calorie comparison photo in the OP's link, on which people can choose to make healthy choices, but they ultimately choose to do so for themselves.
People make long-term positive change in their lives because they decide to do it for themselves, not because of shame. Shame might produce short-term results: someone might choose to have a salad instead of an enormous burger for a day, or they might swear this is their last cigarette, but until they decide they are WORTH changing for, it's not likely to stick.0 -
I would like to see a billboard or something that shows like 1500-2000 calories worth of fruit, veggies, lean meat, etc compared to 1500-2000 calories of fast food.
For people that love to eat, seeing the difference might make an impact (since you can eat a lot more) and it would promote making healthy choices in a POSITIVE way.
Imagine that - constructive billboards!
That would be awesome! We should do a kickstarter!
I'm for it.0 -
I didn't read the link--BUT, I think guilt and shame are seriously underrated in today's society--and I also believe the denial/ignoring-downplaying of guilt and shame in today's society (in so many areas of life, especially with the epidemic of obesity in our nation and other nations too) are also a major cause of many (if not most) of our society's ills and woes. I also believe that the lack of guilt and shame about how we live, being replaced by the ever popular and sought after "good" self-esteem, political correctness and this is what I want and I want it now... if it feels good, do it--no matter what anyone else thinks or feels mentality--is going to be the ultimate destruction of our society....
:ohwell: :indifferent:
Everyone is entitled to their opinions, opinions are like noses...everyone has one or should--this is my opinion
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I think it's needed. People are more worried about hurting another person's "feelings" than their overall health? It's not just "being fat." Being really overweight can and will kill you! We need to let people know, sure it's "okay" if you choose to live such a lifestyle, but it is NOT healthy and will have consequences. I wish i could see ads like that around me through out the day, it would definitely have an impact on my decisions.
It's not 'bullying' to make people give up their excuses and admit their wrongdoing.
Health is mind body and soul. second you cannot make anyone do anything including give up excuses.
Its all about how your approach the topic instead of saying
" you are fat disgusting and you are going to die so drop the bagel"
It would be better to say,
" Loosing weight is hard but it will be great for your health I know of a site that may help...
I heard the first one alot, it never made me change it caused me to be depressed and suicidal at times. Eventually I had to stop giving a Ish about what people say and now I am loosing weight because I want to get healthy.
With all that being said none of the ads in the article bothered me, because I no longer internalize the garbage that comes out of peoples mouths or base my self worth upon it.0 -
This is a hard one. On one hand, I don't approve of bullying, or cruelty. One the other hand, I think coddling people when they are doing something wrong can have a very negative effect as well by not addressing the problem. I guess being factual would be the ideal way to go, mainly medically.
ie, obesity can lead a much higher risk of developing x,y,z etc. and obesity can be combated through a,b,c etc.
Information and education, not shaming or coddling.
This^^^0 -
Truth hurts but first it'll piss you off
WINNER!0 -
LOL. Movie theater seats, booths, and airplanes aren't made for skinny people. They're made for regular sized people.0
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I didn't read the link--BUT, I think guilt and shame are seriously underrated in today's society--and I also believe the denial/ignoring-downplaying of guilt and shame in today's society (in so many areas of life, especially with the epidemic of obesity in our nation and other nations too) are also a major cause of many (if not most) of our society's ills and woes. I also believe that the lack of guilt and shame about how we live, being replaced by the ever popular and sought after "good" self-esteem, political correctness and this is what I want and I want it now... if it feels good, do it--no matter what anyone else thinks or feels mentality--is going to be the ultimate destruction of our society....:ohwell: :indifferent:
Everyone is entitled to their opinions, opinions are like noses...everyone has one or should--this is my opinion
Preach it! QFT0 -
The Ashley Madison one was bad. If you cheat because your partner is fat (or any other reason) then you need to leave.
I agree on that one, although keeping yourself looking nicer than that may be a good idea (I think that's what they are getting at). But apart from that..... shame away I say.0 -
^^Agree!
I want extremely overweight people to get in shape. But not because they'd look better. Not because they'd be liked more. I want them to be happy. I want them to be healthy. I want them to enjoy life and not be ashamed of who they are (even if it's just a moment of doubt). Because of that I want to be their friend the whole journey. Happy in the beginning and happy in the end. Shame is just not necessary. But support and love are vital!0 -
The shaming was in the addition at the bottom that said something like 'Summer is coming.. ughh.. just saying' or something like that. Without that notation it would've been absolutely fine. I wouldn't class that as fat-shaming BUT I don't think that belongs on the streets. I work in mental health research and that kind of a thing can be very triggering for people with eating disorders and it doesn't promote healthy eating. Being aware of the caloric values is good, but that should be linked to health, not looks.I don't see what the "shame" is in the bagel one at all, except that I'd need two 150 calorie bowls of oatmeal to be even remotely satisfied, or one 300 calorie bagel. And if I have the oatmeal, I'll be farting all day.
It would have been better in my opinion if it had said the caloric values and then just 'We serve oatmeal' at the bottom.0 -
Seriously? Saying that summer is coming does not put shame on anyone. That is absurd.
The shaming was in the addition at the bottom that said something like 'Summer is coming.. ughh.. just saying' or something like that. Without that notation it would've been absolutely fine. I wouldn't class that as fat-shaming BUT I don't think that belongs on the streets. I work in mental health research and that kind of a thing can be very triggering for people with eating disorders and it doesn't promote healthy eating. Being aware of the caloric values is good, but that should be linked to health, not looks.I don't see what the "shame" is in the bagel one at all, except that I'd need two 150 calorie bowls of oatmeal to be even remotely satisfied, or one 300 calorie bagel. And if I have the oatmeal, I'll be farting all day.
It would have been better in my opinion if it had said the caloric values and then just 'We serve oatmeal' at the bottom.0 -
I'm always frustrated to hear arguments like "Well, thin people get shamed too! So fat shaming is okay!"
Can we all just agree that shaming people into being healthy (no matter what their size) is mean and counterproductive? I don't know that all the ads in the link are shaming, but if we all just worried more about ourselves and what we are/aren't putting into our own bodies, and got some reasonable amount of exercise, and quit worrying about what everyone else is doing we'd be a lot happier. Health is not necessarily linked to size -- we all anecdotally know some very healthy but heavy people, and some very unhealthy thin people. Health is about doing good to your body. That's it.
It's not fun to be on the receiving end of shame, period. So let's all just focus on ourselves, and get over it.
(And if the media would stop being so sensationalist, that would help a whole lot too)
So do you think the shaming of smokers was counterproductive?
Maybe we should have a fat tax?
shush kitty, no need to get riled up here at mfp. No worthy opponents?
* who is Ashley Madison?0 -
Horsedookie!
I'm sick of people on here saying "shaming doesn't help, I was shamed for years. It wasn't until I decided that I love myself that I lost a bunch of weight." REALLY, so the shaming didn't work. How do you know? Seems to me, even if it took many years, and you remember the shaming, then it probably helped a little.
And I hate how people blame other things for their weight and eating habits.
I know why I'm fat. I don't pretend to blame others, or situations. I'm fat, because I don't perform enough activities and I eat too much. It's not complicated. Blaming your parents, friends, situations, genetics, stress, etc... is all bullcrap. Those are just excuses we all make so we can continue to eat and do nothing.
Read these message boards and see how many people are looking for that "magic bullet" to lose weight the easy way.
And again for all those saying these billboards are counterproductive and they should do positive billboards... just search something like "healthy billboards" under google images... and see what shows up. I know I have seen hundreds of these over my lifetime. They just don't get the press because they don't offend. But who's to say they work any better than the offensive ones.0
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