I don't eat clean. I won't eat clean. It's a stupid concept.
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I think that there is a happy middle, but people are so extreme. Clean eaters know that they indulge "uncleanly" every once and a while... and IIFYMers know that they aren't eating cheeseburgers morning noon and night. If everyone was just honest, then they wouldn't have to wear how they eat as a badge of honor and get so defensive every time someone says something different.
a lot of us IIFYM people have lived the "I can't eat that" or "OMG that has WHAT" life, and we just know how that attitude led to unhealthy relationships with food, and it's the perceived ATTITUDE of the all or none type people that we dislike.
And we're kinda sarcastic pricks sometimes because most clean eaters are hypocrits who indulge sometimes but they come up with excuses to make themselves feel better.0 -
I don't get why people don't just eat what the f*&k they want. And then proceed NOT to tell me about it.
That does me just fine.0 -
Where are all of these clean eater attackers? Seriously, I see more posts and comments making fun of clean eaters and ridiculing them than I do of clean eaters pointing the judgemental finger at everyone. Great, you eat what you want if it fits in your macros.. good for you. If your honest, and your truely doing IIFYM, then you probably eat "cleaner" then you admit to.It's about not letting unnecessary chemicals into your body.
But without proper nutrition & such a "whatever whenever approach" your body will suffer for it in the end. It's not brain science!
I try to eat as clean as possible because I am concerned about chemicals and processed foods.
Love it i feel a lot better since i started eating cleaner i feel so energetic and my skin looks so clear no more acne and hell just healthier all around
if not eating processed and refined foods decrease my pain levels, what are those things actually doing to people that eat them
Some people want to lose weight to "look good" at any cost, what ever it takes healthy or not.
To be more "healthy" then one needs to consider everything they put in their mouths like chemicals and such that isn't going to benefit or help them reach their "healthy" goal.
What good will skinny be if I am cancer waiting to happen.
Sugga, If that was a clean eater attacker, then I am George W. Bush.
Regardless of if he/she is right or wrong, the OP made it seem like theres a clean eater on every corner offering unsolicited advice and attacking everyone elses food choices... while he, in fact, attacks them for their food choices.
Look at some of the posts below yours.
If those don't count as 'attacks' then neither does saying they've been hoodwinked.0 -
FYI, this post is not directed at any one person but a group of people and you know who you are.
Here is my issue with the whole clean eating, organic, etc... Most of you like to rub it in that you are participating in that kind of eating, like it is a badge of honor, but when someone calls you on the carpet for doing so you get all touchy about the fact that we do not agree with your choices. Why even mention it? We wouldn't have to bad mouth your clean eating if you wouldn't even bring it up and you don't have to bring it up, it is a choice in each and every post that you make.
To be fair, IIFYMers do the exact same thing. Look at all the food posted just to this thread. Like " oh yea, you eat cake? I eat CAKE wrapped in Bacon!!!" And I can honestly say that I never bring up clean eating in conversations, nor have I really met clean eaters that do this... but I have had to defend myself against IIFYMers in trying to eat clean.
The world has changed... not everyone who shops at whole foods is one of "those" snobby food people.0 -
This should end well...
It's like a Tumblr fight, but better.
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Can't stop laughing. :laugh:0 -
There are food additives in our food supply that should not be allowed (potassium bromate, high fructose corn syrup, food dyes, gmos, etc.) Keeping blinders on isn't the answer. We have toxins in our food supply and 80% of cancers are linked to environmental toxins. As a mother I especially feel the need to provide my kids with whole foods that are primarily clean. I don't find that stupid.0
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I think that there is a happy middle, but people are so extreme. Clean eaters know that they indulge "uncleanly" every once and a while... and IIFYMers know that they aren't eating cheeseburgers morning noon and night. If everyone was just honest, then they wouldn't have to wear how they eat as a badge of honor and get so defensive every time someone says something different.
I think it's because many people need to believe what they are doing is right meaning it is worth the time investment and effort. In reality, dieting kind of sucks no matter how you slice it, clean eating or IIFYM, and on some level we all understand this.
Therefore if you passionately believe in what you are doing it makes staying the course psychologically easier. If someone introduces information that challenges that paradigm then you become threatened - self doubt kills results - and seek to reject it.0 -
Where are all of these clean eater attackers? Seriously, I see more posts and comments making fun of clean eaters and ridiculing them than I do of clean eaters pointing the judgemental finger at everyone. Great, you eat what you want if it fits in your macros.. good for you. If your honest, and your truely doing IIFYM, then you probably eat "cleaner" then you admit to.It's about not letting unnecessary chemicals into your body.
But without proper nutrition & such a "whatever whenever approach" your body will suffer for it in the end. It's not brain science!
I try to eat as clean as possible because I am concerned about chemicals and processed foods.
Love it i feel a lot better since i started eating cleaner i feel so energetic and my skin looks so clear no more acne and hell just healthier all around
if not eating processed and refined foods decrease my pain levels, what are those things actually doing to people that eat them
Some people want to lose weight to "look good" at any cost, what ever it takes healthy or not.
To be more "healthy" then one needs to consider everything they put in their mouths like chemicals and such that isn't going to benefit or help them reach their "healthy" goal.
What good will skinny be if I am cancer waiting to happen.
Sugga, If that was a clean eater attacker, then I am George W. Bush.
Regardless of if he/she is right or wrong, the OP made it seem like theres a clean eater on every corner offering unsolicited advice and attacking everyone elses food choices... while he, in fact, attacks them for their food choices.
Look at some of the posts below yours.
If those don't count as 'attacks' then neither does saying they've been hoodwinked.
Attacks or defenses? The title of this post is that it's a stupid concept... they are defending why they think its not. Conversation and disagreements aren't attacks.0 -
At what point did the old saying "to each their own" become a bad thing? I can see it if you were ASKING for an opinion about what a nutritionist thought you should eat, then you ate pizza and ice cream anyway...but this is about what you want to do with your life for your health! If someone is preaching to you what they think you need to do and you didn't ask their opinion, tell them to go...well, whatever you want to tell them to go do. LOL! :bigsmile:
:laugh: It's all about personal preference...and MODERATION! :drinker: 0 -
i worry about calories and macros (and micros) and don't worry what any self-appointed food shamers have to say about anything... ever.
i see lots of people on this site wear "how clean their diet is" as a badge of honor. it's not. it just means you've been hoodwinked into thinking that your success/failure is fully tied up in your food choices. it's not.
if i want rice, i eat rice. if i want an apple, i eat an apple. if i want a piece of pumpkin pie, i eat a piece of pumpkin pie. i don't eat the whole pie. this is how you lose weight and get fit. you don't do it by adhering to lists of "approved" and "unapproved" foods.
maybe i'm too easily irritated this morning, but i'm just sick of seeing people get sucked up into this fad (and related ones) and lose sight of the big picture in the process.
A few points:
1. My success and/or failure IS tied up in my food choices. You make the erroneous assumption that everyone can lose weight the same *exact* way as you.
2. I think it's wonderful you can eat rice and pie. I got pretty fat eating rice and pie, and no, I did not eat the whole pie nor did I eat tons of rice. My hormones are likely different from yours and are very efficient at storing calories from those sources.
3. I like 'clean' eating, but it doesn't make me feel superior, nor does it make me lose sight of the big picture, whatever that may be. My 'big picture' isn't the same as your 'big picture'. We don't have the same goals.
My thoughts exactly. If you can eat a giant piece of cake and still lose weight then good for you. I cannot. I lost over 20 pounds last summer, then began to eat what I wanted in moderation hoping to maintain and instead I gained it all back. Everyone's body is different. I don't know the definition of clean eating, as it appears no one really does? But when I got stricter with my diet that worked for me. To each his own.0 -
Totally your choice and free will. Say, do you work for Monsanto?0
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Everyone is free to eat what ever they want. Also yes you can enjoy any food in moderation and still be healthy.
Some of us just like to have food without as many chemicals and additives. Also, personal opinion here, but I don't feel as good after eating a meal that is "unclean" compared to one that is. This isn't the case for everyone I guess but to mock people for making healthy choices is kinda weird.
I always figured your body will run better without having to fight off unneeded "bad" foods. I'm no scientist though. So feel free to consider me stupid for thinking this way.
I think its weird too. Some people have a more difficult time losing weight and keeping it off than others. If eating "clean" is how they do it then what does it matter? If you can eat whatever you want, good for you. I'm jealous.0 -
I think that there is a happy middle, but people are so extreme. Clean eaters know that they indulge "uncleanly" every once and a while... and IIFYMers know that they aren't eating cheeseburgers morning noon and night. If everyone was just honest, then they wouldn't have to wear how they eat as a badge of honor and get so defensive every time someone says something different.
a lot of us IIFYM people have lived the "I can't eat that" or "OMG that has WHAT" life, and we just know how that attitude led to unhealthy relationships with food, and it's the perceived ATTITUDE of the all or none type people that we dislike.
And we're kinda sarcastic pricks sometimes because most clean eaters are hypocrits who indulge sometimes but they come up with excuses to make themselves feel better.
So would you say that you are defending yourself against what you, yourself, were? This just got deeeeeeeep.0 -
My reaction everytime someone says that I should eat one way or another.
My reaction to everyone. All the time.0 -
If I forced myself to eat clean, I would be a binger.
I need to be allowed to drink my coffee with cream and sugar, and have pizza, and the occasional bowl of ice cream. If I need to grab a quick burger - I need the freedom to do that.
I rarely even fit my macros - the only thing I try to do is stick within my daily calorie limit and get my required protein.
When I force myself to eat "properly" I become a miserable cranky person who is much more inclined to eat an entire bag of doritos with salsa and sour cream.
When I allow myself to have some treats, I am much happier, and it works better for me.
If you are a clean eater, and happy - great job! But I don't feel it is the only way to achieve success.
p.s. I feel the need to prove visually that this method works for me, so here is a recent progress pic:
You've lost 6 pounds and look like that???
About three years ago I was 180 pounds and a size 12-14.
Since that time, I have lost 15 pounds and 6-8 dress sizes.
I have lost anywhere from 5 - 10 pounds while on MFP, (since my weight fluctuates anywhere from 163 to 168 depending on cycle, water consumption, etc).
My time on MFP has been responsible for helping me to understand calorie counting, and helping me to pick healthIER choices. It got me to a goal weight I never thought possible.0 -
My reaction everytime someone says that I should eat one way or another.
nobody cares how you eat. i don't. you shouldn't care how i eat. but we should both care about what message is being given to the people on here who don't know any better. the ones who are told in the mass media that they can't eat bread because it has gluten, and they can't eat watermelon because it will spike their insulin, and they can't eat egg yolks because of their fat content, and they can't eat any food that comes in a box or has an ingredients label because they are not clean... those are the ones i am concerned about.
once somebody has been armed with all of the information and understands that clean eating proponents are just a subset of the larger IIFYM community, then they can choose to follow whatever plan suits them. but so long as they think clean eating is the ONLY way they can have success and that there are no consequences if they try to deprive themselves of non-clean foods, then i will say something about that.
i don't like to see people deprive themselves of foods they like unnecessarily because they have been scared into believing that eating those foods is bad. this leads to binging and all sorts of food phobias. that's my point. obvious to many on here who are willing to see it.0 -
I think you're missing the point of "clean." Yes you can loose weight eating pie and pizza, as long as you're watching calories, but there comes a point when your body adjust and you can't lose anymore and now not only ar eyou NOT losing, but you're adding toxins and chemicals into your body. The more original a food is, the easier the body can process the food into nutritional value and eliminate the extra.
Don't be fooled by just calorie counting. Not every calorie is made equally, just like not every person or body is made equally. I know for me, eating lots of carbs stops whatever weight loss progress I've made, where as my best friend (who is Irish and brought up on stinking carbs) won't gain a single lbs. What works for you doens't work for everyone, but the cleaner your diet, the quicker your body can process.
Do I eat clean...NOPE. Even healthy foods, yogurts, cheese, 100 calorie chip packs, area all processed foods with toxins and chemicals in them, but most of us eat them and they help to teach us portion control and they aren't killing us (well for now) but they are convienent and help us to lose weight. But a much better option instead of a 100 calorie pack of chips would be to slice up some potatoes and bake them. Anyone will tell you that. But in the world we live in, it's just not that easy. We are a busy nation.
But don't slam anyone who does have the opportunity to eat clean. I'm jealuos that they CAN do it. I wish I had the time, opportunity, resources, and disipline, but I don't. But saying that it's stupid and ineffective is just wrong and any documentary, research, or nutritionalist will tell you that, along iwth the results anyone gets from eating clean.
Best of luck to you and your weight loss journey and remember, each person is different!0 -
Attacks or defenses? The title of this post is that it's a stupid concept... they are defending why they think its not. Conversation and disagreements aren't attacks.
Explain how saying if you don't eat clean you'll be 'cancer waiting to happen' isn't an attack?
I fully respect the folks saying eat what you want, but I don't. It's the other nonsense that's ridiculous, and saying things like that, even in defense of your own preferred method of eating, spreads misinformation to others.0 -
If I forced myself to eat clean, I would be a binger.
I need to be allowed to drink my coffee with cream and sugar, and have pizza, and the occasional bowl of ice cream. If I need to grab a quick burger - I need the freedom to do that.
I rarely even fit my macros - the only thing I try to do is stick within my daily calorie limit and get my required protein.
When I force myself to eat "properly" I become a miserable cranky person who is much more inclined to eat an entire bag of doritos with salsa and sour cream.
When I allow myself to have some treats, I am much happier, and it works better for me.
If you are a clean eater, and happy - great job! But I don't feel it is the only way to achieve success.
p.s. I feel the need to prove visually that this method works for me, so here is a recent progress pic:
YOU'RE MY HERO!!! :flowerforyou: :flowerforyou: :flowerforyou:0 -
The original poster suggested he was irritated by the smug 'clean eaters'... not those who quietly keep to themselves. Regardless of the merits of any diet, we probably all agree that pretentious, pious people can make anyone dismissive.
Unless you're the most physically fit person on Earth, there's not much reason to feel proud of how you eat.
There is one thing I'd like to add for my own observations
It is scientifically sound fact that all people naturally lose fat the exact same way..... people, please stop making excuses.0 -
My reaction everytime someone says that I should eat one way or another.
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My reaction everytime someone says that I should eat one way or another.
nobody cares how you eat. i don't. you shouldn't care how i eat. but we should both care about what message is being given to the people on here who don't know any better. the ones who are told in the mass media that they can't eat bread because it has gluten, and they can't eat watermelon because it will spike their insulin, and they can't eat egg yolks because of their fat content, and they can't eat any food that comes in a box or has an ingredients label because they are not clean... those are the ones i am concerned about.
once somebody has been armed with all of the information and understands that clean eating proponents are just a subset of the larger IIFYM community, then they can choose to follow whatever plan suits them. but so long as they think clean eating is the ONLY way they can have success and that there are no consequences if they try to deprive themselves of non-clean foods, then i will say something about that.
i don't like to see people deprive themselves of foods they like unnecessarily because they have been scared into believing that eating those foods is bad. this leads to binging and all sorts of food phobias. that's my point. obvious to many on here who are willing to see it.
Saying "Yo what you think is dumb" isn't any better than saying "this is the right way to eat."
Both are equally stupid statements.0 -
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Perhaps you should focus on why you're angry instead of what other people keep in their fridge.
Hope your day turns around.
P.S. You're wearing your resistance as a badge of honor.....
^^ I love you!
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bumping to read later...when I have popcorn.0
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If you ate clean you wouldn't be so grouchy in the morning - LMAO
I think I'll stick to mainly eating clean seeing you didn't provide anything in the way of a persuasive argument not to & just attacked this so called "fad".
Is there a bigger picture? Yeah Get your *kitten* in gear & workout. But without proper nutrition & such a "whatever whenever approach" your body will suffer for it in the end. It's not brain science!
This post is so true.... No matter how much you work out .... If you don't eat right your body will suffer.... might not see it now.... but it's effects will come!0 -
Perhaps you should focus on why you're angry instead of what other people keep in their fridge.
Hope your day turns around.
P.S. You're wearing your resistance as a badge of honor.....
^^ I love you!
Omg yes this
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Attacks or defenses? The title of this post is that it's a stupid concept... they are defending why they think its not. Conversation and disagreements aren't attacks.
Explain how saying if you don't eat clean you'll be 'cancer waiting to happen' isn't an attack?
I fully respect the folks saying eat what you want, but I don't. It's the other nonsense that's ridiculous, and saying things like that, even in defense of your own preferred method of eating, spreads misinformation to others.
Explain how it is an attack.
People truly believe that way... it's not like shes saying "Oh yea? If you don't believe like I do, I'm going to sick cancer on you!" She truly believes that eating those foods give people cancer. There's alot of conflicting information out there, and most of us aren't scientist, so we are just putting our trust in someone elses studies and appealing to our own logic. Chick truly believes eating chemicals will get you cancer.. and you don't. It's a difference of opinions... not an attack.0 -
Ive noticed more people are into eating processed fast foods and icecream and scorn any version of 'clean eating'.
Its in your mind that its a boast , its every ones choice what they eat, and no one elses business.
When someone posts in a public forum that they're having trouble because they're ruining their clean eating on the weekends, they're making it everyone's business. Aren't the forums here so we can help each other?
I used to be a "clean" eater. Most of what I ate was on the 1st and 2nd tiers of Michi's ladder. I don't worry about it so much anymore, and allow myself to have a daily treat as long as my nutrient goals are met.
This isn't necessarily about clean eating, but allowing some flexibility. http://www.bodyrecomposition.com/fat-loss/flexible-versus-rigid-dieting.html0 -
So....eating a lot of this is a stupid concept...
And people should eat more of this because this is a smarter concept?....
I'm a big believer in moderation and treating myself to the good things in life...but since when are fruit and veg and other natural, whole foods a stupid concept?0
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