USA! USA! (DOMA)

I'm lost... someone help me out here?

The supreme court just eliminated DOMA. DOMA is the defense of marriage act which was an act that defined marriage as being between one man and one women. Since there was no secular justification for the claim it was determined that the act was respecting the rules of an established religion which makes it a violation of the first amendment and therefore unconstitutional. Please bare in mind this is a laymen interpretation of the information that I have read and heard in the general media. I am sure the case was a bit more nuanced then that but in a nutshell that is what I have read so far.

I believe it was actually found unconstitutional under the 5th amendment as a deprivation of equal liberty.

The 5th amendment states that you don't have to testify against yourself in court.

It just occurred to me that you must have meant the 14th amendment. That also sounds like a logical case for its unconstitutionality. It is messed up that an act which violates two constitutional amendments was able to survive as long as it did.

It is also a little embarrassing that it took me as long as it did to realize what you meant to say but I am a bit distracted with other stuff.

No I meant what i said

A ruling under the 14th amendment's equal protection would have been much, much better; Kennedy would have never gone for it, though. I really did mean the 5th amendment. Equal liberty is not the same as equal protection.

I got back from my morning walk, and was greeted at the door by my mom, yelling, "We won!" I was still on my endorphin rush, and wasn't sure what she was talking about. My son is gay, and I am so relieved that one day, he may be able to find and be with the love of his life, equally.

There are thousands of political groups. Feel free to join it. My point is, if this were a thread lamenting DOMA being stuck down it would last about 2 minutes before it was removed.

Then feel free to test that theory instead of raining on our rainbow parade.

First off I want to say I completely disagree with Lone_Wolf. I do think this is something worth celebrating.

That said I think Lone_Wolf and everyone who agrees with him should be allowed to rain on our parade and that we should just learn to dance in the rain.

We are having this conversation in an open chat forum on the internet. This means we should expect that not everyone is going to agree with us and that even those that disagree with us should have the right to post the same as we do.

I say that the best thing to do is to put their comments through logical scrutiny. If they can defend their position with logic then they their position deserves to be heard. If their position does not stand up to logic then it deserves to be publicly destroyed.

I welcome everyone's input because I certainly don't want mine excluded.

I also think that they should be allowed to make a thread lamenting the loss of DOMA's power and they should expect people like me to be in there debating with them.

Excuse me sir. All I have said is that this topic doesnt belong here. Thats it.

First off I want to say I completely disagree with Lone_Wolf. I do think this is something worth celebrating.

That said I think Lone_Wolf and everyone who agrees with him should be allowed to rain on our parade and that we should just learn to dance in the rain.

We are having this conversation in an open chat forum on the internet. This means we should expect that not everyone is going to agree with us and that even those that disagree with us should have the right to post the same as we do.

I say that the best thing to do is to put their comments through logical scrutiny. If they can defend their position with logic then they their position deserves to be heard. If their position does not stand up to logic then it deserves to be publicly destroyed.

I welcome everyone's input because I certainly don't want mine excluded.

I also think that they should be allowed to make a thread lamenting the loss of DOMA's power and they should expect people like me to be in there debating with them.

There are thousands of political groups. Feel free to join it. My point is, if this were a thread lamenting DOMA being stuck down it would last about 2 minutes before it was removed.

Then feel free to test that theory instead of raining on our rainbow parade.

First off I want to say I completely disagree with Lone_Wolf. I do think this is something worth celebrating.

That said I think Lone_Wolf and everyone who agrees with him should be allowed to rain on our parade and that we should just learn to dance in the rain.

We are having this conversation in an open chat forum on the internet. This means we should expect that not everyone is going to agree with us and that even those that disagree with us should have the right to post the same as we do.

I say that the best thing to do is to put their comments through logical scrutiny. If they can defend their position with logic then they their position deserves to be heard. If their position does not stand up to logic then it deserves to be publicly destroyed.

I welcome everyone's input because I certainly don't want mine excluded.

I also think that they should be allowed to make a thread lamenting the loss of DOMA's power and they should expect people like me to be in there debating with them.

Excuse me sir. All I have said is that this topic doesnt belong here. Thats it.

Ok then perhaps you are not against gay marriage. My bad. I still stand behind what I said in a general sense even if you are not a member of the opposing camp.

I know that MFP might have it's own position with regard to what we are allowed to discuss in the general forums and it is their right to shut down any thread that they see fit. So from the perspective of MFP any topic that can be considered divisive they can shut down.

I think MFP really just cares about maintaining a positive atmosphere within the community. In other words if we can discuss a topic maturely then they are less likely to enforce the rule. Their rules are theirs to enforce in a manner consistent with their own arbitrary whims.

I think we should be less like a bunch of children running and a playground looking for infractions to complain about and more like civilized adults discussing topics in a logical manner and that means that we have to allow everyone to have their say.

First off I want to say I completely disagree with Lone_Wolf. I do think this is something worth celebrating.

That said I think Lone_Wolf and everyone who agrees with him should be allowed to rain on our parade and that we should just learn to dance in the rain.

We are having this conversation in an open chat forum on the internet. This means we should expect that not everyone is going to agree with us and that even those that disagree with us should have the right to post the same as we do.

I say that the best thing to do is to put their comments through logical scrutiny. If they can defend their position with logic then they their position deserves to be heard. If their position does not stand up to logic then it deserves to be publicly destroyed.

I welcome everyone's input because I certainly don't want mine excluded.

I also think that they should be allowed to make a thread lamenting the loss of DOMA's power and they should expect people like me to be in there debating with them.

You don't make the rules for MFP. This is a divisice topic and should not be allowed to be up.

I think we should be less like a bunch of children running and a playground looking for infractions to complain about and more like civilized adults discussing topics in a logical manner and that means that we have to allow everyone to have their say.

As long as you agree with the topic. Right?

There are thousands of political groups. Feel free to join it. My point is, if this were a thread lamenting DOMA being stuck down it would last about 2 minutes before it was removed.

Then feel free to test that theory instead of raining on our rainbow parade.

First off I want to say I completely disagree with Lone_Wolf. I do think this is something worth celebrating.

That said I think Lone_Wolf and everyone who agrees with him should be allowed to rain on our parade and that we should just learn to dance in the rain.

We are having this conversation in an open chat forum on the internet. This means we should expect that not everyone is going to agree with us and that even those that disagree with us should have the right to post the same as we do.

I say that the best thing to do is to put their comments through logical scrutiny. If they can defend their position with logic then they their position deserves to be heard. If their position does not stand up to logic then it deserves to be publicly destroyed.

I welcome everyone's input because I certainly don't want mine excluded.

I also think that they should be allowed to make a thread lamenting the loss of DOMA's power and they should expect people like me to be in there debating with them.

Excuse me sir. All I have said is that this topic doesnt belong here. Thats it.

Ok then perhaps you are not against gay marriage. My bad. I still stand behind what I said in a general sense even if you are not a member of the opposing camp.

I know that MFP might have it's own position with regard to what we are allowed to discuss in the general forums and it is their right to shut down any thread that they see fit. So from the perspective of MFP any topic that can be considered divisive they can shut down.

I think MFP really just cares about maintaining a positive atmosphere within the community. In other words if we can discuss a topic maturely then they are less likely to enforce the rule. Their rules are theirs to enforce in a manner consistent with their own arbitrary whims.

I think we should be less like a bunch of children running and a playground looking for infractions to complain about and more like civilized adults discussing topics in a logical manner and that means that we have to allow everyone to have their say.

How very tolerant of you.

if we all agreed on everything, the world would be a boring place. There's just a right way and wrong way to disagree.

You and he would probably be the first to report a thread if it was something you found against the rules. If it is a topic you agree with you don't care what the rules are.

I have reported you for being a fake profile. You just joined the site, your first forum past was today and you somehow end up only in a relationship thread before switching over to this DOMA thread...how convenient. Are you Lone_Wolf? I bet you are. If not, you're still just a troll. TROLL!